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JASPER BEARDLY
09-21-2010, 05:26 PM
Real?

Uncle Steezo
09-21-2010, 05:54 PM
real.

Face of the Golden Falcon
09-21-2010, 10:18 PM
----Closed----

Great thread.

cutn' heads
09-22-2010, 06:05 AM
that shit is dumber than scientology...

LORD NOSE
09-22-2010, 06:56 AM
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10245&highlight=yacub


http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/search.php?searchid=5165518

BTTR KNG KOOL
09-22-2010, 10:14 AM
No its not real

its even worse, its unreal.

LORD NOSE
09-22-2010, 11:17 AM
Jacob isn't real ?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-22-2010, 02:14 PM
Probably not. He's sort of a folk hero. The greatest human who ever lived? Perhaps. I mean he even out-Heracled Alcaeus. Heracles may have held up the sky and fucked up monsters right and left, but Ya'akov fought God in combat. Rather impressive accomplishment. I don't care if its probably a metaphor, I like the imagery. It says that man will bite the hand that feeds him simply because we will not serve willingly. Although then God damn near tears his leg off and Jacob comes full circle and basically accepts he was wrong. But for a while there he was totally going to kick God's ass and God invented and mastered ass kicking.

Its a story about knowing to quit while you're still alive... ahead.

gizm0
09-22-2010, 03:02 PM
Yacub created the white man thats why niggas call him the father of the devil!

check two
09-22-2010, 04:56 PM
Yakub created the first flat brim hats specifically for jesters to wear.

Black Man
09-22-2010, 05:40 PM
Who has done any research to find out if Yacub was a real person or not? How extensive was that research? What was found?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-22-2010, 07:06 PM
... He's a character in the Bible. I don't think you can look that up. He lived thousands of years ago. There isn't even any legitimate proof Jesus existed, let alone an obscure Jewish Warlord who lived hundreds of years before Christ.

And its spelled Ya'akov.

http://www.my-hebrew-name.com/images/yaakov.gif

Black Man
09-22-2010, 09:29 PM
... He's a character in the Bible. I don't think you can look that up. He lived thousands of years ago. There isn't even any legitimate proof Jesus existed, let alone an obscure Jewish Warlord who lived hundreds of years before Christ.

And its spelled Ya'akov.

http://www.my-hebrew-name.com/images/yaakov.gif

So because YOU can't find anything outside the bible you ASSUME he isn't a real person.

Where do you get that he's a character in the Bible?

Jesus and whether or not he's a real person or not has no bearing on whether or not Yacub was a real person.



I find it interesting how 'said' people can say things about dinosaurs, from their color, to their weight, when they lived, to what they ate to how they took a shit (basically explaining every detail about dinosaurs) and that happened how many millions of years ago? But when it comes to black people, when it comes to people who lived more than 4,000 years ago, you don't know shit :no:

You can tell me about dinosaurs but don't know about the history of man....:(W

EAGLE EYE
09-22-2010, 10:01 PM
Ya'll talkin' bout dinosaurs and yakub up in here?

LORD NOSE
09-22-2010, 10:52 PM
"I find it interesting how 'said' people can say things about dinosaurs, from their color, to their weight, when they lived, to what they ate to how they took a shit (basically explaining every detail about dinosaurs) and that happened how many millions of years ago? But when it comes to black people, when it comes to people who lived more than 4,000 years ago, you don't know shit :no:

You can tell me about dinosaurs but don't know about the history of man....:(W"

LORD NOSE
09-22-2010, 10:53 PM
I find it interesting how 'said' people can say things about dinosaurs, from their color, to their weight, when they lived, to what they ate to how they took a shit (basically explaining every detail about dinosaurs) and that happened how many millions of years ago? But when it comes to black people, when it comes to people who lived more than 4,000 years ago, you don't know shit :no:

You can tell me about dinosaurs but don't know about the history of man....:(W



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ChristO
09-24-2010, 06:22 PM
yeah, he's real. I know dude. goes by the name of luci'...why you won't find him, is because he operates in the penael, or peneil, or the psychee. a real mufuka tho', and he will let you know that if ever given the chance.
...the angel he fought [wrestled] was gabriel, God's word. dude jac' was tryin' a' negotiate with God, in the midst of the wrestling match. then God's angel dislodged jac's leg right...and moved to the hollow of jac's leg...to rip his male genitals from his body. that's when the nigga jac' submitted. sh!t is no game.

check two
09-24-2010, 06:28 PM
^^
Wasn't there a referee during this wrestling match?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-24-2010, 06:52 PM
So many things wrong with this thread.

Jacob is a character because he's in a book. I'm sure someone inspired the character.

Now we move on to the next mistake. We know about dinosaurs (of which there were millions) but we can't look back in time and say for certain that a given dinosaur lived without fossils. We know dinosaurs existed but we don't know that individual dinosaurs existed. That's crazy talk. For example I know there were Jewish Preachers in Judea who were like Jesus. I don't know of there being a Jesus. But its kind of silly to speculate against something.

So yes, Ya'akov for all intents and purposes was a real person, just like Odysseus for all attempts and purposes was an actual king. His story was romanticized but its rather apparent its based on distorted facts to make him sound more awesome. The Cyclopes may just have been a one eyed barbarian chief or something. The Charybdis was a whirlpool (common in the Mediterranean sea. But we don't have any hard fact for Odysseus besides Homer's word for it and some loose historical findings which at least confirm it could have been based on an actual story.

Now on the next count, Ya'akov is not black. He was colorless like most of the people in the bible. To presume he was black is a massive leap of faith based on nothing. The man (he is called an Angel of the Lord but also a man) was God Incarnate (a proto Jesus if you will.) And he didn't rip off the genitals, he popped his leg out of its socket. Then Ya'akov clings to him in sadness because he realizes the ultimate futility of it all.

The Nation of Islam story is based on the rantings of a fake white muslim preaching to the most ignorant people he could find.

PALEFORCE
09-24-2010, 10:30 PM
someone plz point me to some historical evidence

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-24-2010, 10:45 PM
someone plz point me to some historical evidence

*spits out redbull*

Evidence... Palehor... My Gawd.

PALEFORCE
09-24-2010, 10:50 PM
youll understand when you get older. im proud of you for spitting out that red bull.

Uncle Steezo
09-24-2010, 11:29 PM
a group of men are gathered around talking and laughing among themselves. boarz walks up and asks what they are talking about. one man turns to him and says "pussy". boarz face lights up and he goes on to tell about the history of lolzcats.

thats basically what happened here.

JASPER BEARDLY
09-25-2010, 02:57 AM
I may be out of place but Boarz how can you denounce the 5 %ers when you yourself do not feel the presence of God in your life?

ChristO
09-25-2010, 08:00 AM
^^
Wasn't there a referee during this wrestling match?
I'm tellin' you what been going down since '06 o'clock. jacub trying to pull a move on God's Sun. it's a wrestling match because it's a struggle for submittion. but them jailhouse tactics can't be applied to God...all I seeing...so, luci' getting turned to lucy.
and for whomever don't believe, and wanna' hold me up, via debates...after this is done...I'm a' see y'all when I see y'all. no problem...

WARPATH
09-26-2010, 11:38 AM
Yakub would fuck your girl if you left her alone with him for more than 5 minutes.

grt05
09-26-2010, 01:20 PM
So because YOU can't find anything outside the bible you ASSUME he isn't a real person.

Where do you get that he's a character in the Bible?

Jesus and whether or not he's a real person or not has no bearing on whether or not Yacub was a real person.



I find it interesting how 'said' people can say things about dinosaurs, from their color, to their weight, when they lived, to what they ate to how they took a shit (basically explaining every detail about dinosaurs) and that happened how many millions of years ago? But when it comes to black people, when it comes to people who lived more than 4,000 years ago, you don't know shit :no:

You can tell me about dinosaurs but don't know about the history of man....:(W


Fucking hell man. The stupidity of this response makes me laugh.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-27-2010, 03:10 PM
I may be out of place but Boarz how can you denounce the 5 %ers when you yourself do not feel the presence of God in your life?

Because I'm slowly coming to the realization that I'm actually God.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zKwKwYCzE3E/S_SzgHjzmCI/AAAAAAAAADs/yqlfJP7HrOc/s1600/The-God-Emperor-Can't-be-Wr.jpg

Mumm Ra
09-27-2010, 03:24 PM
you just now coming around?
i been knew i was god

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-27-2010, 03:36 PM
But like "The God" not god like Gods and Earths stuff.

Like once I straighten out my Chakras I'm going to be casting out demons and breaking human wills. Turning into adorable animals to unleash surprise sex on unsuspecting celebrities... You know, G.O.D. stuff.

LORD NOSE
09-27-2010, 06:51 PM
smh - the shit people make themselves believe

Rollo
09-27-2010, 07:42 PM
Jacob himself was likely a real person.
His family's signature was found on clay rings bearing egyptian royal signets outside of Avaris by archeologists. A hebrew name with an egyptian royal signet seems a little much to be coincidental but that aside, strange occurances happen so I won't pass judgement based on that.

I think much of the old testament is historical, I think some of it is written with clear bias and myth. I don't think some of the supposed myth though is easily explained and I also know that behind every legend is a basis in fact. It's a matter of sifting and sorting.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-28-2010, 04:28 PM
Jacob himself was likely a real person.
His family's signature was found on clay rings bearing egyptian royal signets outside of Avaris by archeologists. A hebrew name with an egyptian royal signet seems a little much to be coincidental but that aside, strange occurances happen so I won't pass judgement based on that.

I think much of the old testament is historical, I think some of it is written with clear bias and myth. I don't think some of the supposed myth though is easily explained and I also know that behind every legend is a basis in fact. It's a matter of sifting and sorting.

Same page. Good.

I think the same of the Indo-European and Egyptian Gods. They were the legendary kings of old for those cultures the way we view their people as legends. It all became legends then myths. But there was a kernel of truth.

Like Jesus was probably just a man two thousand years ago and now everyone thinks he was God. Same with a number of historical figures.

I mean you have to think, if you lived 3000+ years ago that's not that preposterous.

The Gods names are usually just titles. Ausar just means divine King and Auset just means divine queen. Why? Because there actual names were long forgotten, but someone had to be the First King and Queen and there are stories about them. But they weren't Gods. Just famous people whose importance transcended their individuality.

Face of the Golden Falcon
09-28-2010, 11:42 PM
I mean you have to think, if you lived 3000+ years ago that's not that preposterous.

Yeah, because people back then were idiots right? Like Anpu (Anubis) is probably just a legend of some great historical character and it became feasable that he had a dog's head. :frusty:

But they weren't Gods.

You're right they weren't Gods, they were/are NETERU.

Just famous people whose importance transcended their individuality.

Funnily enough the point of these myths/legends is the transcendance of individuality, just not the way you're proposing.

HETEPU

TheBoarzHeadBoy
09-29-2010, 06:52 AM
Yeah, because people back then were idiots right? Like Anpu (Anubis) is probably just a legend of some great historical character and it became feasable that he had a dog's head. :frusty:



You're right they weren't Gods, they were/are NETERU.



Funnily enough the point of these myths/legends is the transcendance of individuality, just not the way you're proposing.

HETEPU

They weren't idiots, they were just relying on word of mouth instead of written traditions. Word of mouth is great, but give it long enough and it distorts quite a bit. Guy 1 may know it perfectly but his apprentice won't know it quite as well and have to put his personal touch on it. Given 500, 1000, 2000+ years its not the same story anymore.

The point is that the Jewish, Greek, and Sumerian myths are derived from pre Egyptian myths. Plus they didn't actually think he had a dog head. The jackal head represents death. Because its a carrion animal. Its black like mummified flesh. He was the king of death. I'm sure in pre dynastic Egypt there was a possibility of a King of Death who became the embodiment of it.

Rollo
09-29-2010, 04:28 PM
There may very well be deities and beings who were all powerful, it's not as though they have any reason to hang around a bunch of people who consider themselves half monkeys.
Likewise it may very well be that a group of beings were just superior enough to humans to convince them that they were all powerful.

E.T.s, interdimensionals, it's impossible to sit there and say what must be the truth in regard to old gods and deities.
In regard to egyptian mythology, pharoahs did actually become gods in the eyes of their followers after death. It may very well that in an act of misguided ancestor worship mortal men became as gods or seen as the will of gods.
A modern example, during WWII, pacific islanders who had never seen airplanes before, were given food and help from Allied troups and after the campaign against Japan was over they began to build shrines in the shape of B-17's in hopes they would attract those people back. I don't think they were stupid, simply uninformed.

There are also examples such as the mana machine of the Hebrew Zohar which was said during the exodus to provide the Israelites food from sky itself which was rebuilt by several engineers and shown to actually gather chlorellic algea and turn it into high protein food. The probability bronze aged, stone slinging nomads had such technology is nil. Obviously the described it well enough for us to know they actually used such a device, so the question becomes where did it originate?

That's why it isn't wise to just rule things in or out based on traditions and events past that people only talk about. There's no way to confirm or deny them.

Likewise calling things too ridiculous to exist just reaks of arrogance.

"A thing may be too sad to be believed or too wicked to be believed or too good to be believed; but it cannot be too absurd to be believed in this planet of frogs and elephants, of crocodiles and cuttle-fish."-G.K. Chesterton

Face of the Golden Falcon
09-30-2010, 06:47 AM
^
Kamitic Kings were "gods" in the eyes of their followers whilst they were still alive, and for good reason.

Your example of the pacific islanders though doesn't fit with ancient egyptians. The Pacific Islanders were most definitely misinformed, the ancient egyptians new who and what the king was and represented. They were far from misinformed.

Nice post though.

HETEPU

Face of the Golden Falcon
09-30-2010, 07:03 AM
Plus they didn't actually think he had a dog head. The jackal head represents death. Because its a carrion animal. Its black like mummified flesh. He was the king of death. I'm sure in pre dynastic Egypt there was a possibility of a King of Death who became the embodiment of it.

Who are you trying to convince here. I thought my first post made it obvious that I don't believe that they thought Anpu actually had a jackal head.

Where do we draw the line here between symbols/metaphors and chinese whispers gone wrong?

What else can you tell me about Anpu?

Why was he called the Guide of the Dead?

Who is the "dead" that is being refered to?

Where are they being guided to?

What other importances lie behind Anpu being given the Jackel's head?

HETEPU

LORD NOSE
09-30-2010, 08:49 AM
those animal heads are there in the paintings because in the making of man, the supreme beings used various parts of different animals and fused them together to "Make" man, but in their image after their likeness -

and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.

there was allot of grafting going on

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
09-30-2010, 06:10 PM
Yeah, because people back then were idiots right? Like Anpu (Anubis) is probably just a legend of some great historical character and it became feasable that he had a dog's head. :frusty:



You're right they weren't Gods, they were/are NETERU.



Funnily enough the point of these myths/legends is the transcendance of individuality, just not the way you're proposing.

HETEPU

They weren't idiots, they were just relying on word of mouth instead of written traditions. Word of mouth is great, but give it long enough and it distorts quite a bit. Guy 1 may know it perfectly but his apprentice won't know it quite as well and have to put his personal touch on it. Given 500, 1000, 2000+ years its not the same story anymore.

The point is that the Jewish, Greek, and Sumerian myths are derived from pre Egyptian myths. Plus they didn't actually think he had a dog head. The jackal head represents death. Because its a carrion animal. Its black like mummified flesh. He was the king of death. I'm sure in pre dynastic Egypt there was a possibility of a King of Death who became the embodiment of it.


The idea that either of you think you can accurately interpret EXACTLY what ancient Egyptians thought is ridiculous.

We can speculate all we want, but we have no idea and never will. To treat your opinion as better than someone else's is pompous and completely baseless.

Face of the Golden Falcon
09-30-2010, 10:15 PM
The idea that either of you think you can accurately interpret EXACTLY what ancient Egyptians thought is ridiculous.

We can speculate all we want, but we have no idea and never will. To treat your opinion as better than someone else's is pompous and completely baseless.

Thanks for keeping us in check Dan. Your doing a bang up job! ^O^

I was under the impression that both myself and Boarz (you know, the 2 people actually involved in the discussion?) are well aware that we are both presenting our opinions based on what ever evidence we think we have. I never got the feeling once that he thinks his opinion is better than mine (he may though) and if I gave that impression then I apologize to Boarz, but certainly not to you. You seem to only come into the Ledge these days Dan to make such pointless posts as the one above. If you think there is little point in discussing thing such as "how the Ancient Egyptians practiced religion" and "was Yakub real" etc. then leave the threads alone.

HETEPU

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
10-01-2010, 02:35 PM
Thanks for keeping us in check Dan. Your doing a bang up job! ^O^

I was under the impression that both myself and Boarz (you know, the 2 people actually involved in the discussion?) are well aware that we are both presenting our opinions based on what ever evidence we think we have. I never got the feeling once that he thinks his opinion is better than mine (he may though) and if I gave that impression then I apologize to Boarz, but certainly not to you. You seem to only come into the Ledge these days Dan to make such pointless posts as the one above. If you think there is little point in discussing thing such as "how the Ancient Egyptians practiced religion" and "was Yakub real" etc. then leave the threads alone.

HETEPU

awwww, i didn't mean to hurt your felings, sweetie.

I'm only saying that it is extremely important to note that you are speaking completely in speculation and not fact. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your thoughts, but the presentation of said thoughts is very important.

Neither one of you "know" anything, and yet you both speak as you do.

No need to get all female on me.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
10-01-2010, 03:28 PM
I thought the point of debate was to be a pompous uniformed ass? Every debate ever seen is like that. If not I clearly lose as I was banking on that shit.

Shem Hotep (I mean honestly, we don't even know if its pronounced Shem Hotep do we? That's an approximation right?)

P.S.

When I (After I make a cool million day trading in the stock market) and sit down to write my epic 12 Millennia Spanning Critically Acclaimed Fantasy Series "Theomachy" about epic God on God action (no homo) you can admit defeat in the face of me outshining Homer, Virgil, and Tolkien. But no need to apologize about differing with me in your take on mythology. I like to look at it as a map leading towards pre historic pseudo fact. You I assume prefer a more metaphysical or metaphorical view.

Face of the Golden Falcon
10-01-2010, 04:08 PM
awwww, i didn't mean to hurt your felings, sweetie.

I'm only saying that it is extremely important to note that you are speaking completely in speculation and not fact. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your thoughts, but the presentation of said thoughts is very important.

Neither one of you "know" anything, and yet you both speak as you do.

No need to get all female on me.

See, once again you assume a certain "feeling" involved in what was written. Your point is that we can only speculate regarding ancient scripture and information yet when reading posts you attach a certain feeling to it that you assume the poster is feeling based on how you choose to read the post.


I thought the point of debate was to be a pompous uniformed ass? Every debate ever seen is like that. If not I clearly lose as I was banking on that shit.

lol...ok fair enough.

When I (After I make a cool million day trading in the stock market) and sit down to write my epic 12 Millennia Spanning Critically Acclaimed Fantasy Series "Theomachy" about epic God on God action (no homo) you can admit defeat in the face of me outshining Homer, Virgil, and Tolkien. But no need to apologize about differing with me in your take on mythology. I like to look at it as a map leading towards pre historic pseudo fact. You I assume prefer a more metaphysical or metaphorical view.


I wasn't apologizing for having a different take on mythology, I was apologizing if it seemed that I thought my opinion better than yours because that's not my intention (although it seems now that it is yours, but thats cool).

According to Dan my posts have a certain feel to them (and he talks about getting all female?!)

HETEPU

Rollo
10-01-2010, 04:22 PM
epic God on God action


I assume there will be much bestiality in this "action" no?
(*-*)

check two
07-13-2014, 10:37 AM
They should have a show on the history channel where they try to hunt down Yakub.

check two
07-13-2014, 10:46 AM
what happened to Black Man? He was like a less cool version of charles jones

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42393