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Inspektah Meth-Tical
09-23-2010, 07:49 AM
I mean rappers like Nas, Rakim was more of a battle type rhyme who rapped about his own skills. Nas didn't really do battle raps, he was more poetic and shit in his music. In my opinion:
Nas, AZ, GZA, INS.

fatboybrandon
09-23-2010, 10:10 AM
It depends on your definition of poetry. I'd go with the person who birthed deep poetic writing for MCs in the first place, he's been imitated 'til this day and paved the way for Nas, AZ, GZA, INS and others:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_M1nJvvlkKcM/SwL_onu0dzI/AAAAAAAAAzE/YLhOXleSBl8/s1600/Eric+B.+%26+Rakim+-+Paid+In+Full+-+Front.jpg

Rakim, he defines my idea of poetry and defined a poetic style of lyricism for rest of those MCs you mentioned.

Whether people think some newer MC represents poetry more is their opinion, but most likely that MC wouldn't exist if not for taking a piece of what Ra invented.



I have a question, what was the first Rakim, Nas, AZ, GZA, INS albums you ever owned and when did you buy or download them?

I find that people's ability to define an MC varies depending on where they're learning from and the amount of years they've "lived" with Hip Hop. I've noticed the internet has started to change that.

Inspektah Meth-Tical
09-23-2010, 10:19 AM
It depends on your definition of poetry. I'd go with the person who birthed deep poetic writing for MCs in the first place, he's been imitated 'til this day and paved the way for Nas, AZ, GZA, INS and others:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_M1nJvvlkKcM/SwL_onu0dzI/AAAAAAAAAzE/YLhOXleSBl8/s1600/Eric+B.+%26+Rakim+-+Paid+In+Full+-+Front.jpg

Rakim, he defines my idea of poetry and defined a poetic style of lyricism for rest of those MCs you mentioned.

Whether people think some newer MC represents poetry more is their opinion, but most likely that MC wouldn't exist if not for taking a piece of what Ra invented.



I have a question, what was the first Rakim, Nas, AZ, GZA, INS albums you ever owned and when did you buy or download them?

I find that people's ability to define an MC varies depending on where they're learning from and the amount of years they've "lived" with Hip Hop. I've noticed the internet has started to change that.

Well the way i saw Nas is more poetic is his delivery really, most MC's like Rakim and Jay-Z and all that are direct in the way they deliver the rhyme. You can understand what they are saying when it is heard, but with someone like GZA and Nas you need to sometimes even study the stuff they are saying to gain meaning from their lyrics if you get what i mean.

The mind activation, react like I'm facin time like
'Pappy' Mason with pens I'm embracin

see this shit provokes you to think of the meaning behind his lyrics.

I switched my motto -- instead of sayin fuck tomorrow
That buck that bought a bottle could've struck the lotto

see this is the shit i consider poetic.

Tecknowledgist
09-23-2010, 11:57 AM
In the beginning, I discovered wordplay
I experimented with some syllables from the first to the third day
On the fourth, I searched for the words to say
How to compress complex verbiage in the least amount of space
I was perfect at it, and mastered the tactics
On the fifth day, I decided I would combine it with mathemetics
On the sixth day, I became a fanatic, and I couldn't kick the habit
I would just look in the mirror and practice
On the seventh cycle, I had to take the day off
I was exhausted, I guess my work would never pay off
But if it happened to him, it could happen to me
And if it happened to me, it was destined to be

Since [Hip-Hop] became a lucrative profession
There's a misconception that a movement in any direction is progression
Even though the potency of it lessens,
Big money industries are writing cheques to supress the question
And nobody gives a fuck no more
No one goes to the book store, ever since the confluence of Moore's law

The Grand Architect,
Used to be a partisan to the Marcus theory but I lost the bet
No regrets, you live and you learn
I'm through giving advice, I just give concerns
Sterilize my hands to prevent catching the germs
And try to rebuild all the bridges I've burned


- Canibus

fatboybrandon
09-23-2010, 12:32 PM
Well the way i saw Nas is more poetic is his delivery really, most MC's like Rakim and Jay-Z and all that are direct in the way they deliver the rhyme. You can understand what they are saying when it is heard, but with someone like GZA and Nas you need to sometimes even study the stuff they are saying to gain meaning from their lyrics if you get what i mean.

The mind activation, react like I'm facin time like
'Pappy' Mason with pens I'm embracin

see this shit provokes you to think of the meaning behind his lyrics.

I switched my motto -- instead of sayin fuck tomorrow
That buck that bought a bottle could've struck the lotto

see this is the shit i consider poetic.

That sounds like a reasonable view Inspectah, Nas (http://cratesofjr.blogspot.com/2010/06/download-nas-making-of-illmatic-video.html) definitely brought out his own style of poetry during his debut that was thought provoking, visual and deep in the writing expression, so did GZA. I ask which of they're albums you brought 1st because I notice sometimes people like the work of an MC more and felt their impact above others depending on when they were introduced to them. I can now see how the MCs you named added something more to Hip Hop of their own poetic expression.

The greatest depends on many factors and personal preference so it's hard to name one. My belief is tradition, history and influence in creating a style of poetry with a level of skill and classic catalog of albums that has yet to be surpassed, which is why I chose Rakim. If it was someone in real life, I would rather ask who is your "favorite" rather than the greatest like Tommy or seriousam usually do here.

Inspektah Meth-Tical
09-23-2010, 12:36 PM
That sounds like a reasonable view Inspectah, Nas (http://cratesofjr.blogspot.com/2010/06/download-nas-making-of-illmatic-video.html) definitely brought out his own style of poetry during his debut that was thought provoking, visual and deep in the writing expression, so did GZA. I ask which of they're albums you brought 1st because I notice sometimes people like the work of an MC more and felt their impact above others depending on when they were introduced to them. I can now see how the MCs you named added something more to Hip Hop of their own poetic expression.

The greatest depends on many factors and personal preference so it's hard to name one. My belief is tradition, history and influence in creating a style of poetry with a level of skill and classic catalog of albums that has yet to be surpassed, which is why I chose Rakim. If it was someone in real life, I would rather ask who is your "favorite" rather than the greatest like Tommy or seriousam usually do here.

Illmatic and Liquid Swords.

Illmatic a friend gave it to me, i'm yet to buy it, but it never gets old. Even though its streets, i feel most the songs relate to me. I just love Nas's poetry on this album, i also love his 'Take it in Blood' song off IWW, another one of my favourites. Rakim brought more battle type poetry.

UncontrolledSubstans
09-23-2010, 12:47 PM
Lol at Rakim not being poetic...

"And life was life, and love was love
We went according by the laws of the world above
They showed us physically, we could reach infinity
But mentally, through the century we lost our identity
Life start and ending, we got trife and started sinning
Lost touch with the beginning now ciphers stop spinnin
And what was once easy became confused and hard
Which brings us back, to the mystic question, who is God?
Sixty-six trillion years since his face was shown
When the seventh angel appears, the mystery will be known
Check Revelations and Genesis, St. Luke and John
It even tells us we are Gods in the Holy Qu'ran
Wisdom Strength and Beauty, one of the meanings of God
G.O.D. you and me ?Gomars O Dubar?
Knowledge Wisdom Understanding Sun Moon and Star
Man Woman and Child, and so is Allah"

- Rakim

I think Blueprint is very good poetic rappers as well. Not so well known either.

"Study this as you study your first born
My first song was pain personified in song
The longest sequence is looped for days long
Where bass kicks are fierce and snares are
Known to drop a lot quicker than a child's tears
And drown out the drama that I didn't want to share
The load I wouldn't wish upon my enemies to bear
The times I used to tell myself you didn't want to hear
Until the reason in my rhyme become clear
Now what I write makes the load a lot lighter
The story of my life epitomizes imperfection
As a musical where every scene seems to lack direction
And I stand center stage stunned by what's happening
Blinded by the lights, heroin's action
Although I never asked for this lead role
It seems that God decided it a long time ago
I was chosen for this
Given the gift to gain and maintain the crowd's cheers
I break bread over beats with like-minded peers
And share the story of my last trip into the atmosphere
On the ninth cloud, I-sanity in style
Arms outstretched and Hell in God's breath
I saw the stairway to heaven
And counted one-hundred and forty-four thousand steps
I wanted to climb but it wasn't my turn yet
So I returned to earth just before the sun set
And I could stare, waiting for this golden opportunity to share"

- Blueprint

One of my all time favorite verses.

claaa7
09-23-2010, 12:51 PM
Rakim did have alot of "battle type poetry" if you will, but that's far from all he did. have you heard songs like "In The Ghetto", "Teach The Children", "Waiting For The World to End", "The Mystery", "Man Above", "Dedication" and others? especially on his latest album he brought alot of concept records to the table, splashed with ill poetry.

as Brandon says there is no greatest of the greats tho since music is always objective and beauty is in the eyes of the beholder (that may sound like a cliché but true however, especially when speaking about music). my favorite would probably be Nas as well, he has a way to paint vivid pictures with his words and maximises the ways in which the language can be used.

ALCATRAZ
09-23-2010, 01:03 PM
2pac nas and cormega are the names that come to mind when i think of rap poets... im sure there are others, but those names stand out

Frank Sobotka
09-23-2010, 01:13 PM
Based God

claaa7
09-23-2010, 01:13 PM
^ yeah 2Pac should definitely be mentioned as well.

Tommy
09-23-2010, 01:16 PM
The greatest depends on many factors and personal preference so it's hard to name one. My belief is tradition, history and influence in creating a style of poetry with a level of skill and classic catalog of albums that has yet to be surpassed, which is why I chose Rakim. If it was someone in real life, I would rather ask who is your "favorite" rather than the greatest like Tommy or seriousam usually do here.

Lol, whatcha mean?

As for poetic rappers, all rappers are poetic in one shape or another. However, I'd definitely consider Common, 2Pac, Rakim, Nas, Jay-Z, and Raekwon in there as my favourite "poets" from hip hop. I gauge this by the styles of Gil Scott-Heron and The Last Poets; to me, the stuff they brought to the table was street poetry in its purest essence, so I look at hip hop lyricism in a similar angle.

fatboybrandon
09-23-2010, 01:35 PM
Lol, whatcha mean?


I see your threads as asking for an opinion that is more so based on range of personal preference rather than giving a definition of artists, which is a good thing because I like both type of discussions. One of my favorites was the Best Hip Hop Videos and Jazz Rap Appreciation threads.

KillahBee09
09-23-2010, 01:38 PM
Other than those mentioned, Vast Aire and Vordul Mega where very poetic lyrically in their Cannibal Ox days

Guru deserves a mention, I'll thow Ghostface Killah up there too

Overall, I'd say Rakim or 2pac are the best

WooHa
09-23-2010, 01:42 PM
Nate Dogg deserves a shout out here

GhettoGnom
09-23-2010, 03:07 PM
Tonedeff, Aceyalone(book of human language is probably the most poetical piece of Hip Hop there is) & Vast Aire at his best (type cold vein)

Dr Sleepwalker
09-23-2010, 03:25 PM
Sage Francis..

I didn't tell anyone about what I seen or heard that day, mums the word still
I'm scared to plant ideas into your head while your rebellious side is fertile
Hurdles are getting knocked down
I'm running a losing race
Your legs aren't the only ones marked up How many dreams have you chased?
If I could have said this to your face maybe you wouldn't have to write like I do,
Except I use paper instead of my body now; it's something you might want to try too
From haikus to horror stories, it's something in our blood that we share,
Something in our blood that appears on the surface of our skin when we bring it there
My facial expression said I didn't care
Hate and aggression must've made an impression on the little kid who stared,
Sitting on stairs when I would bother to bring my skates
My feeble attempt at being a strong, big brother doing father figure 8's
Ripping my cape on the ground that it dragged on
Tripping on fate and hearing the sounds of a sad song
Listen, it's great sharing time now that dad's gone,
But what's with the choice of words?
Or the body parts that you decided to tag them on?
I'm a bagabond who moved to modern day Babylon and then back again
With minimal contact and you know I can't ask your mom what's happening
You've got such beautiful gifts What are you doing ruining the packaging?
How ironic. come to think, I probably put this ink on my back for him
I want you to laugh and sing more,
But you dropped anchor in a place
where dreams go to die and you're keeping your ass indoors
I'm asking for you to stick it out and see things through
You're asking for me to zip my mouth and keep it just between me and you

[Chorus]
If I could have been there from the beginning if I could be there right now
if I could promise to be there when you need me, would it raise an eyebrow?
How would your body be different if I still dropped by for visits?
Is it my place to put a smile on your face?
Could I erase your body language telling you its all been said before?
Or change the words you wrote, exchanging your scars for my metaphors?
I'd add them to my collection while smiling
Next time you want to paint with razor blades and need a canvas use my skin

[Verse Two]
You're hiding your sins well, but I see the hell that your limbs speak
Tongue in cheek Lying awake in bed while other kids sleep
The strength of evil begins to keep your grins weak
No matter the length of the needle
marking up one's body is so much more than skin deep
Feel the pin prick The grim reep what they sew and you're trained to say that you're fine
Your thresh hold for pain is greater than mine
So I'm waiting in the lines that you give mepatiently,
While you get cut in the lines that THEY make YOU wait in ways that they can't see
If there's a vacancy as far as room in your life goes,
say it to me Don't do it with a knife under your clothes
Because the anguish of hidden skin is letting my ghosts be shown
Plus the language its written in hits especially close to home
I'm most alone when I'm out of touch with the people who feel this type of pain
You might just aim for a day that its raining to strike a vein to take my name in
Changing your uniform and altering your mind set
Has your pointer finger decided if it was a fault of his or mine yet?I bet
I know the dialect It's nowhere I haven't been before
With skin that's sore Battle scars that rise from our inner war
Are decorative medals of honor that our father decided to pass through inheritance
And it is repetitive when the kids head in the direction of evidence
proving the pain and hurt is relative

All this pain and hurt is relative.

..From the track Inherited Scars, from the album Personal Journals

cap
09-23-2010, 03:29 PM
Nate Dogg deserves a shout out here

he's not even a rapper fag!!!!

THE MASON
09-23-2010, 03:36 PM
some good mentions in here

id prolly throw in CL Smooth, i dont think i saw his name up here yet.

angry!
09-23-2010, 03:51 PM
rakims not poetic!?!?!?!?!

you dont know shit if you think rakim is a battle rapper...

spiritually one of the deepest artists EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its ok, keep sleeping on rakim, these kids today assume hes wack now just cuz hes still at it...

i got news for ya...

rakim will STILL body just about any rapper getting gassed on todays hottest blogs...

im not hating....

but rakim in 2010... will BODY jay electronica in 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!

flow, voice, concepts, versatility, patterns, output, whatever... and he got a fresh album we can judge him by!!!!!!!!!!!

i wish the youth had more respect for the OG's still really doin it...

its a shame a RAKIM album drops to relative obscurity!!!!!!!!!!!! have some fuckin culture, and give a RAKIM album an honest listen when it drops instead of saying "yeah rakim WAS one of the best" without doing the fuckin homework!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to contribute, ima say VAST AIRE on the cold vein was incredibly poetic... i had really high hopes for that nigga after that album... so many unique concepts, and he had a truly unqiue way of phrasing things!!!!!!!!!!!

ima drop KILLAH PRIEST too... that nigga could sell poetry books, gothic poetry, unique, artistic, deep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WooHa
09-23-2010, 04:01 PM
he's not even a rapper fag!!!!

The fucc outta here you dirty pizza boy

GhettoGnom
09-23-2010, 05:14 PM
Word to Killah Priest too!

UncontrolledSubstans
09-24-2010, 03:31 AM
Some more that aint been mentioned: Jeru The Damaja, Eminem, Masta Ace, P.O.S., One Be Lo, Shad, Black Thought.

"And we like fools destroy our own bodies
Too many niggaz chillin, bad boys boom boom
This leaves no room for the flowers to bloom
Seeds blow in the wind, another drug killing
What, are we accomplishing? Nothing
What's, the matter?
Why everytime I look around another brain gets splattered?
Some pockets get fatter but it don't matter
The devil's the only one who really gets fatter
Lead ruptures flesh, spleens are shattered
Dreams are shattered, another Queen without a King
What will out children become without proper guidance?
Probably nothing, so ain't the devil happy"

- Jeru

issues
09-28-2010, 04:17 AM
Sage Francis..



..

Inspektah Meth-Tical
10-11-2010, 01:32 AM
Blunts, thugs and alcohol, what a mixture
Just picture... ya life as a whole judged in court with convictions
They telling u your state of mind, like you worthless
So he curses, his moms saying Bible Verses
That's all she works with
But miracles, neva leave the churches
Instead, it hits the pockets of the Preacher just to purchase...
A house, with a swimming pool
Labels me a sinning fool
I'm just a nigga who inherited a winning jewel


- Nas is the best poetic rapper ever (this is off Deja Vu), his unreleased Good Morning song is ill too.