View Full Version : Did Gang Starr Ever Really Make a Bad Album?

10-12-2010, 10:19 AM
recently i was given No More Mr.Nice Guy as a gift and it completed my Gang Starr discography (for those who know me on here, im an avid CD collector and it was annoying not haivng that finished) and it sparked me to listen to all the Gang Starr albums.

upon listening, i can honestly say that of all 6 albums, each album stands between superior and classic material.

some will hate on The Ownerz but if you go back and really listen to that album, it fuckin bangs like pornstars! probably one of there best albums overall, but is criminally underated in hip hop and in the Gang Starr catalogue.

No More Mr. Nice Guy rarely gets a name drop when talkin Gang Starr and it was the joint that started it all. Golden Age shit right there and imo stands with a lot of the other classics coming out of 89-90 era

just look at the discog, and i think it speaks for itself

build n add on

Prolifical ENG
10-12-2010, 10:23 AM
I had all the Gangstarr albums including Mass Appeal but I traded in No More Mr Nice Guy because I never listened to it, I like the cover of it thogh...hahaha I wouldnt consider it a "bad" album nevertheless. The Ownerz is dope.

Undiluted Karma
10-12-2010, 10:23 AM
Not too well versed in G-Star's catalogue, but nah most of their shit is dope trackwise, RIP Guru, a true poet missed.

On a side note that shopping track on Moment of Truth irritates me big time


10-12-2010, 10:35 AM
No, they never made a bad album. With the first album they didn't have their own sound yet but they definitely never made a bad album. The Ownerz is dope, It was just hard to follow up a album like Moment Of Truth

10-12-2010, 11:35 AM
i guess thread title is also a little misleading, i mean in general they are all considered dope albums

but within there own discog, people tend to overlook Ownerz and No More Mr. Nice Guy. Personally, both those albums have a lot of character and soul in them. not that other GS albums dont but those two are on the opposite ends of the spectrum but have the drive behind them imo

NMNG was there first joint and they were out to prove something. i feel this album gets over shadowed by the Rakim, BDK, De La joints coming out at the time. Guru, imo was ahead of the time with this album. it was a fusion cats hadnt seen before. Smooth jazz production and thick drum breaks from Premo and Guru equally smooth jazz styled lyrics, which were pack poetic lines and really imo, brought a new style of boasting ones self to wax.

-The A to the Z-
10-12-2010, 12:22 PM
It's not a bad album, just pretty forgettable.

Only track I go back there to listen to is DJ Premier in Deep Concentration anyway.

10-12-2010, 12:26 PM
^what about it is unforgettable?

imo this was some of Gurus best work, maybe yall just not a fan of the old school. Some of his most creative flows and lyrics

while of course, its not my personal favourite. the album is hardly forgettable, and stands toe to toe with groundbreaking albums

go back and listen to the whole album, classic old school breaks with Gurus jazzmatazz lyrics = hip hop gold

10-12-2010, 12:30 PM

^Mark 45 blessin Guru, and vice vera


^2 steps ahead!! most just to blind to see it

10-12-2010, 12:58 PM
Not too well versed in G-Star's catalogue,
then your input isnt needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but nah most of their shit is dope trackwise, RIP Guru, a true poet missed.

On a side note that shopping track on Moment of Truth irritates me big time


youre a fuckin clown... dont elaborate on why you dont like the track, you dont know shit!!!!!!!!!!

hungry kid: yo hows the pizza here?!!?!?!?!?

undiluted: i havent eaten yet, and this is my first time coming here, but the pizzas great!!!!!!!!!!

shut the fuck up son, youre a useless poster with mental defects!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you have nothing to say, shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you the same faggot that tried pulling my card for referring to gangstarr as gangstarr, you laughed and said...

LOL @ gangstarr... but yeah gangster is dope!

a lot of corn in your tank... candy corn faggot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eat a dick up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your mom is a punching bag and your fathers a shut in!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyway gangstarr has a bulletproof catalog, anything that ever came out under "gangstarr" has been dope... studio albums, to comps.... evrything they did was dope!!!!!!!!!!!

daily operation
step into the arena
hard to earn
moment of truth
the ownerz
no more mr nice guy (preem hadnt found the signature style yet breakbeats were ILL though)

my power ranking... epmd was the same deal... up until very recently... but GANGSTARR never dropped a dud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10-12-2010, 01:08 PM
LOL thanks for stoppin by angry!

but i feel you about Preem on No More, its not his signature style but i think thats why the album was so great, its not the Gangstarr everyone expects plus i love me some old school breaks lol

its too hard for me to rank there albums, each one got its own flavour depending on what i wanna taste on that day, ya dig?

The Ownerz bangs out in the whip, had a lot of heads on turn driving around this summer with that in the deck

10-12-2010, 01:16 PM
nah definitely never made a bad album, far from it. everything from "Step in to the Arena" through "The Ownerz" is 9/10 to 10/10 and "Full Clip" is one of the best greatest hits albums of all time imo. i too got every album they released together, but it's obvious that "No More Mr. Nice Guy" is before they found their place in hip-hop history and found themeselves as musicians. they had actually just met, recorded the album in two weeks so to me it's almost like a demo album that happened to get released. that doesn't mean it's wack by no means, Guru is still Guru and Preem is still Preem altho it's before their respective peak, and it's cool to hear them like that as well. "Words I Manifest (Remix)" and "DJ Premier in Deep Concentration" and some others are bonafide classics tho.

10-12-2010, 01:24 PM
yo bronze...

im thinkin bout what you just said...

my favorite gangstarr album constantly changing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

like if im outside and my hands is raw from the cold, im reaching for that hard to earn, and knuckling up!!!!!!!!!!!

if im goin out to the liquor store to cop some tranquilizers for the girls on a summer day, the OWNERZ is already in the deck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if were passing blunts in the shelter, looking for some inspiration to hit the pad, put that step in the arena in, jack it up, smoke, and brainstorm!!!!!!!

and FULL CLIP is a classic comp, i lend that album out to anybody wanting to be introduced to g and preem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

word claaa... no mr nice guy is pretty much a demo tape, raw as hell... but g was droppin science and preem was cuttin the records... so it was most definitely gangstarr approved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10-12-2010, 01:36 PM
Full Clip is ill. not only is packed with all the bangers from albums, its got some exclusives and b sides on there that are all classic joints.

^ classic joint right here!! the God Rakim laced preemo production. WC comes correct.... Guru smooth as butter

no doubt angry!, it all depends on the day........... Step in the Arena could be the best album to zone out and burn one down to ever......... Ownerz and Moment of Truth for the summer when im drinkin on the porch with the fam....... Hard to Earn winter classic

flavours for all seasons!!

10-12-2010, 01:55 PM
I've heard Guru say himself in an interview that the 1st LP was like a demo and it was made quick, and Step In The Arena was more looked at as the official debut.

I don't think any Gangstarr albums are bad, I do think the first was like the seed of their true development shown in the albums after so it gets overlooked sometimes.

When I compare NMMNG to SITA it's like comparing Terminator to T2, I still appreciate T1 as the classic seed and it's a good movie, but T2 is another classic of it's own that just blows the first movie away as far as effort & ideas.

I guess NMMNG gets placed in the lower category of their catalog at times and that's understandable since it's their first try, but naw, I don't think it's bad.

10-12-2010, 02:42 PM
When I compare NMMNG to SITA it's like comparing Terminator to T2, I still appreciate T1 as the classic seed and it's a good movie, but T2 is another classic of it's own that just blows the first movie away as far as effort & ideas

great analogy

-The A to the Z-
10-15-2010, 03:03 PM
imo this was some of Gurus best work, maybe yall just not a fan of the old school.

That's definitely not the cause.

No one would be silly enough to say it touches any of Premier's best work, and I think that might be reason I could never get into it like the others - deny it as you like, but Guru shined only as brightly as the music.

I dunno, I'll give it another go, but I went back to it last year and it was taken swiftly out of rotation.

10-16-2010, 12:18 AM
fuck this post

10-16-2010, 10:53 AM
I didn't like Step In The Arena and The Ownerz albums. I haven't heard No More Mr Nice Guy album. I'll check it out one day.

10-16-2010, 12:04 PM
faaark u didnt like step in the arena?????

10-16-2010, 12:05 PM
I like Step In The Arena album cover LOL. I'm gonna have to listen to it again because i haven't heard it in a long time but i remember not liking it too much. I liked a few songs on there.

10-16-2010, 12:21 PM
Charles how could you not like the ownerz? such a classic cd

10-16-2010, 12:29 PM
The Ownerz isn't a classic. LOL@DJ Premier skit on there when he said you call that shit hip hop on the radio? That's some faggot bitch shit ya'll are listening to hahahahahahahahahahahaha. All you dj's are letting the program directors handcuff you and sit there and tell you how to mix. You fucking robots LOL. Fuck ya'll LOL.