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Fatal Guillotine
12-11-2010, 11:24 AM
"Hast thou not
Turned thy vision to the Chiefs
Of The Children Of Israel
After(the time of) Moses
They said to a Prophet
(That was) among them:
"Appoint for us a King, That we
May Fight in the cause of Allah
he said: Is it not possible,
If ye were commanded
To fight,that that ye
Will not fight?" They said:
"How could we refuse
To fight in the cause of Allah.
Seeing that we were turned out
Of our homes and our families?"
But when they were commanded
To fight, they turned back.
Except a small band
Among Them. But Allah
Has full Knowledge of those
Who do wrong.

Fatal Guillotine
01-23-2011, 05:27 PM
bump

beautifulrock
01-23-2011, 05:44 PM
Muhammad Jesus or Buddah, are the only prophets I know of, and they're all the same person.

spiggity_ace
01-24-2011, 12:09 AM
Muhammad Jesus or Buddah, are the only prophets I know of, and they're all the same person.

not the same person, and not sure who is being referred to

Hellspawn
01-24-2011, 04:11 AM
Saul

it was the king that ruled just before the prophethood of David, he was the chief of the army to whom belonged david when he slaughtered Goliath.

Undiluted Karma
01-24-2011, 07:45 AM
Muhammad Jesus or Buddah, are the only prophets I know of, and they're all the same person.


Nope

John Prewett
01-26-2011, 08:12 AM
"Hast thou not Turned thy vision to the Chiefs
Of The Children Of Israel After (the time of) Moses
They said to a Prophet (That was) among them:
"Appoint for us a King, ............

"and they said to him,
"Behold, you have grown old, and your sons do not walk in your ways.

Now appoint a king for us to judge us like all the nations."

But the thing was displeasing in the sight of Samuel when they said,
"Give us a king to judge us " And Samuel prayed to the LORD.

The LORD said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in regard
to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you,
but they have rejected Me from being king over them."
1 Samuel 8:5-7

Fatal Guillotine
01-27-2011, 01:44 PM
The Prophet of the Children of Israel here is Samuel, peace be upon him. This verse and the following verses tell the story of Samuel, peace be upon him, Talut (Saul) who is chosen by God to be the king of Israel that leads them against the army of Goliath, and David, peace be upon him, who is a part of Saul's army and kills Goliath.

"in his time Israel had suffered from much corruption within and many reverses without. the Philistines had made a great attack and defeated Israel with great slaughter. the Israelites instead of relying on Faith and their own cohesion brought out their most sacred possession, the ark of the covenant to help them fight. but the enemy captured it, carried it away and retained it for seven months".....----commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali

Fatal Guillotine
01-27-2011, 02:16 PM
Muhammad Jesus or Buddah, are the only prophets I know of, and they're all the same person.



false for one all three stories differ

spiggity_ace
01-28-2011, 10:11 PM
one thing i wanna say about buddha is uneducated people view him as some kind of diety, when he was human and he didnt stress an importance of god, buddhsim is all about the self.

same thing with hazrat mohammed uneducated buffoons think hes some diety, again he was a human prophet.

LORD NOSE
01-28-2011, 11:03 PM
what is the difference between a deity and a human ?

Sham-iLL
01-29-2011, 12:32 PM
a deity is one worth of worship and huans are the ones who worship the deity unless a human decides they want to be a deity, but really, there is no deity other than The God, the one and only real deity

LORD NOSE
01-29-2011, 02:23 PM
are you saying that a deity is a human worthy of worship ?

Fatal Guillotine
01-29-2011, 04:45 PM
one thing i wanna say about buddha is uneducated people view him as some kind of diety, when he was human and he didnt stress an importance of god, buddhsim is all about the self.

same thing with hazrat mohammed uneducated buffoons think hes some diety, again he was a human prophet.



In Buddhism, Devas and Deities are nothing more worthy than humans or animals. They're all subject to Kamma and Dukkha.

spiggity_ace
01-29-2011, 08:33 PM
In Buddhism, Devas and Deities are nothing more worthy than humans or animals. They're all subject to Kamma and Dukkha.

yea, wut i meant to say was buddha didnt stress the importance of the hindu brahman or what others call as god, doesnt mean that it wasnt important though.

Fatal Guillotine
01-30-2011, 02:57 PM
are you saying that a deity is a human worthy of worship ?

In Hindu Krishna maintains the balance of infinite worlds, infinite universe move to his rhythm, this i would say is a difference between Man and Deities, man is part of that flow, deities maintain that flow.

LORD NOSE
01-30-2011, 03:11 PM
so a deity is a man who maintains the flow - if it's not a man, what is it ?

a woman ?

pro.Graveface
01-30-2011, 03:22 PM
I tink its a state of non-duality, haha!, i tink deity's are characters, and come to life in the mind with strong diciplined imagination power, whatever u make of it, whatever u based your believez on.
,deity symbolic sculpture of collected consciousness in the form of a character or single soul guide?

beautifulrock
01-30-2011, 03:39 PM
There's something inherently ridiculous with people thinking my view is wrong when theirs is utterly unprovable. I just wanted to see how far you morons would go to disprove something as utterly ridiculous as that which is written...by men...to control other men. I find it amazing that your baby minds are unable to figure out that religion, ALL RELIGION, is just a giant dupe, and you are all pathetic saps for believing in it. I really, truly, feel sorry for all of you.

pro.Graveface
01-30-2011, 04:26 PM
why is it wrong when it makes certain people happy, liv in harmony with other sentient beings? its all for the Self, its all for u , universal love . it reflectz. its like a guideline in life to understand a path to be U-self without hurting others, whats wrong with that?
even if its a big bad lie who cares not every1 needs religon to be a happy human, i dont but still i respect all religon kuz i tink its a path to find some understanding in this wicked world that humanity created. if its practiced the good way.

beautifulrock
01-30-2011, 05:04 PM
Religion makes people happy? You REALLY think so? Let's take a straw poll of the Middle East, the most religious place on Earth, and see how many of those people are "happy". Religion is meant to divide. Once again, I'd say look at the Middle East, the Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, tribal conflicts in Africa, the relationship between Pakistan and India, The KKK, every Balkan conflict since the beginning of time...yada yada yada. The world doesn't need religion anymore. Stop using God as a crutch to explain why your lives are so pathetic and why nothing goes your way. God didn't kill your grandfather. A heart attack did. The bastard was old. Grow up.

3rd3y3
01-30-2011, 07:26 PM
you are all pathetic saps for believing in it. I really, truly, feel sorry for all of you.

If you really felt sorry, why do you insult?

beautifulrock
01-30-2011, 07:55 PM
Insults are the only thing you wack jobs seem to understand. Certainly logic is beyond your grasp.

3rd3y3
01-30-2011, 08:00 PM
Insulting those who do not believe the same way you believe is illogical.

Funny, eh.

beautifulrock
01-30-2011, 08:02 PM
What you just said is completely illogical, proving my point.

Insulting people who do not believe in God is a religious past time. Or rather should I say, killing them is.

Sham-iLL
01-30-2011, 08:04 PM
happiness is subjective to a person. religion makes some ppl happy and religion makes others angry

3rd3y3
01-30-2011, 08:07 PM
Naw, b-rock, you just fail to understand.

And the worst part, you do not even know what I believe. You argue from a position of ignorance.

If you wanna prove somebody wrong, do it.
If you wanna prove your view is right, present it and back it up.

beautifulrock
01-30-2011, 08:13 PM
That's good. Call me ignorant because I don't know or care what religion you subscribe to, nor was I addressing you personally. Unless you claim to be the "those people" generic comment I dropped, in which case, I was talking to you, although in a group context. Did you get all that? Or was that too ignorant of me? Retarded fuck.

beautifulrock
01-30-2011, 08:20 PM
By the way, it isn't that hard to figure out what you subscribe to when your name is 3rd3y3. Clearly, you subscribe to magic.

LORD NOSE
01-30-2011, 08:23 PM
b rock is angry at stupid people for believing stupid shit

what does he expect stupid people to do, believe in the smart shit he believes in after, calling them dumb asses ?

i totally agree with him though - the way he conveyed his message was.....stupid though

3rd3y3
01-30-2011, 08:39 PM
A lot of anger. I think he needs god in his life.

3rd3y3
01-30-2011, 08:41 PM
Some people just cannot control themselves when it comes to these type of threads. It is like a catalyst to their madness.

LORD NOSE
01-30-2011, 08:44 PM
we all have our moments - some more than others

3rd3y3
01-30-2011, 08:48 PM
If a man claims others are stupid, then gets angry at those stupid people for being stupid, what does that make the angry man?

lmao.

3rd3y3
01-30-2011, 08:49 PM
These atheists have a hard time conveying their ideas.

Is it because they are so logical and intelligent?

LORD NOSE
01-30-2011, 08:54 PM
it does get frustrating

i understand b rock

pro.Graveface
01-31-2011, 01:21 PM
I tink B-roc has a point , kuz i tink most religonz are mis-used , wich made humanz ended up in standin against each other , i dont tink its here for war to create but it did, mis usage of the books if ya get angry from a book read other books which make you happy, I do think tere is a higher force, most of u call it god or whateva, but not tru believe doo reading religeous books helps a lil to understand the nuthing, and i dont know its name, call it life-force/chienergy of grandparent universe of the multiverse. But i did come across some rare situationz in the world. so u can say tere is nuthing in nuthing while i know tere is more than the eye meets

Fatal Guillotine
01-31-2011, 07:52 PM
so a deity is a man who maintains the flow - if it's not a man, what is it ?

a woman ?

Fundamentally different, man/women are part of that flow, yin and yang, deities maintain the balance of yni-yang, imho..