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oldie
10-15-2005, 04:59 PM
this was a thought of mine the other day. (and the Hip-Hop...dead? thread reminded me) i got Hip-Hop on the brain 24/7 so i come across lots of thoughts like this. but i was thinkin, i got into it 5 years ago, nearly 6. ive missed the golden age, the exciting times, when it was still defining itself and gettin recognition type thing. when i say exciting times and golden age, i mean for instance when Run D.M.C came on the scene - bringing a new sound - breaking/setting records such as first rap group to be on the cover of Rolling Stones magazine, first to have top ten hit. firs to go Gold, Platinum, Multi-Platinum, first to do rock/rap collabo's. and when N.W.A came out with "Fuck Tha Police" n shit like dat...nah mean, causing controversy. when Public Enemy came all political with real (strong) messages!. this is what i would call the golden age of hip-hop. i would love to know what it was like during those years, mid-80's to late-90's .

so my question is, Do you think Hip-Hop could ever re-gain these type of happenings? can groups like the above come on to the scene?? i not sayin people copy what the groups above had done/said, but come with a different type of message in politics etc and cause such a stare???

i personally don't know, but at the minute with the state of Hip-Hop at the minute i'd say no. but i hope in the (near) future im proven wrong!

Polocash7
10-15-2005, 06:05 PM
Once Hip Hop became a billion doillar business, it went downhill from there. Artists don't wanna be creative in fear of not selling. Labels are aiming the music toward teens. Until this trend stop, Hip Hop will stagnate. I'm just glad there is some cats out there that still make quality Hip Hop.

Ghost In The 'Lac
10-15-2005, 06:14 PM
Major companies want to keep hiphop simple and dumb , they do this by making sure the songs that come out have catchy sounds (to keep it popular in all areas of people), but make sure all the songs talk about the same shit, like girls, or being in a club. if they let deeper, realer more complex sounds come out like the WU, they dont have as much control in people socially, or musicall.y

Why do the big companies want to do this? Choose from one of many reasons. They scared, they see too much creativity coming from the projects that they need to control(if a new style of music comes out that becomes wildly popular, theats threatening to the corporations, because they have no control over it). it was making poor black people from the projects look intelligent, articulate, and it was giving them a fantastic platform to say whatever they wanted to a large number of people. There was a time when hip hop artists spoke about alot of different things.

Now though theyve got the majority of that under wraps, instead of the major part of hip hop looking cool and clever, theyve got them all looking like fools who only care about jewellery, clubs, and naked women, so instead of the normal public looking at hip hop artists with respect at ho imaginative they are, they look at them as almost humorous.

oldie
10-15-2005, 06:16 PM
^^^good point, i forgot about the money side of things. i personally think Jigga is contributing to this heavily nowadays. he's all about business "im not a businessman, im a business, man" - explains it all. if i could write rhymes and emcee and was in Hip-Hop, it'd be about how it sounds compared to the greats such as The Wu, Gang Starr, J5, Necro, JMT, Ill Bill, 7L & Esoteric, Apathy, Nas etc...mainly about how good and how true the music is in reflection the purpose of hip-hop. mainly IMO to be a good emcee...not to make money. obviously you gotta get money but if you stick to the true hip-hop, true hip-hop heads will find out and buy your shit, theres enough true hip-hop heads for you to make money, just twice as many prefer the mainstream!.

oldie
10-15-2005, 06:19 PM
like i say, if i could write rhymes i'd write about hip-hop been a business and not what its suposed to be, music! gettin a true message through, displaying your rhyme skills, not your money skils!

psyenz
10-15-2005, 07:07 PM
oldie, i can see your point to a certain extent, and now hip hip is one of the most popular music genres on the planet you probably aren't going to see any massive revolutions within it.
But don't be so quick to right it off, you have Kanye, a mainstream media darling on TV making very clear statements about the goverment, Immortal Techinque getting widespread recognition now (and even guesting on the new PE album) the Wu, always teaching, recently dropping the kind of albums that made us love them in the first place, even rumours of G Rap and Ras Kass signing to G-Unit and therein having the possibility to reach millions.
In addition you now have credible, talented hip-hop artists from all over the world, Bronze Nazareth being an obvious example, but almost every place having it's own talent.
Hip hop reaches everyone, and there is potential to be become a political force now that it already influences so much, ie the way people talk, dress, etc so why not the way they think. But then I'm an optimist.

Off topic: oldie, whilst i own a JMT album, i'm not sure they or a couple of the others you mentioned qualify as greats.

Koolish
10-15-2005, 09:16 PM
everyone knows what Hiphop is. in the golden age, the average person wouldn't have a clue what you meant, since it was a select culture among inner city youth. artists respected the music, and weren't going for fame, because it was such a sucluded culture you couldn't get any, they were trying to reach out to those who related. that is no more.
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THE W
10-15-2005, 09:37 PM
money, money, money, mooooneeeey.......MOOOOONEEEEY!!

K.E.G.
10-15-2005, 11:40 PM
Its is an approved glitch in the System that has become the opportunity for many youths to speak what is their truth and what is their life in order to herd followers and a descent living.

This is why artists like Dead Prez don't get played because of the percise attack and cultural influence that spreads actual awareness,,, other than the overflowing and immortalized awareness of gun slinging gangsters, dope game swingers, business profit ballers, and all the other griddy aspects the governments feed off of just to love and watch us dance as they do the dirty themselves.

Hip-hop will never die
honestly there isn't a "true" hip-hop, the only unfortunate style of it is the industry that formed from something incredible and what is now regulated and surplused due to the NEW WORLD ORDER UPRISING.
Since the late 70's, a strong identity as a field of enthusiasm with art--HIp-HOP-- really is for the kids and can't perish if you as an individual knows it exists in one true form.

They got you with their dollars.

tical2000
10-16-2005, 12:09 AM
Once Hip Hop became a billion doillar business, it went downhill from there. Artists don't wanna be creative in fear of not selling. Labels are aiming the music toward teens. Until this trend stop, Hip Hop will stagnate. I'm just glad there is some cats out there that still make quality Hip Hop.truth.......watch TV Hip hop is so stagnent.......dudes are afraid to do anyhting different, beacuse they want to sell......Hip Hop has become 100% about copying whats hot or what sells.........hip hop used to be the "music business" now its just a 100% "business"..........like so called "gangsta rappers" with corporate sponsorships...Hip Hop is in the toilet........

......hip hop will never come back either......not like in the 1980's and 1990's before it was a billion dollar industry.........as long as corporations control hip hop and rappers are more than happy to do the staus quo.......it will stay like this!

Dudes coming out today just see rapping as a way to get payed, they dont care about the lyrcism or the history........you dont even have to rap nowadays to make money, its all image and marketing teams......look at Chingy, lil John, J-Kwon, etc

Rappers have become what the BACKSTREET BOYS and N SYNC were 4 years ago.......hip hop is now the bubblegum pop of our time, it does not say shit nowadays......just booty, rims, and money
Underground is borring as fuck too in 2005

oldie
10-16-2005, 06:15 AM
can't find where i put it but i wrote my explanation/thoughts on Kanye West & Jigga contributing to the mainstream/business elements of hip-hop.

Dae Ja Nae
10-16-2005, 08:12 AM
this was a thought of mine the other day. (and the Hip-Hop...dead? thread reminded me) i got Hip-Hop on the brain 24/7 so i come across lots of thoughts like this. but i was thinkin, i got into it 5 years ago, nearly 6. ive missed the golden age, the exciting times, when it was still defining itself and gettin recognition type thing. when i say exciting times and golden age, i mean for instance when Run D.M.C came on the scene - bringing a new sound - breaking/setting records such as first rap group to be on the cover of Rolling Stones magazine, first to have top ten hit. firs to go Gold, Platinum, Multi-Platinum, first to do rock/rap collabo's. and when N.W.A came out with "Fuck Tha Police" n shit like dat...nah mean, causing controversy. when Public Enemy came all political with real (strong) messages!. this is what i would call the golden age of hip-hop. i would love to know what it was like during those years, mid-80's to late-90's .

so my question is, Do you think Hip-Hop could ever re-gain these type of happenings? can groups like the above come on to the scene?? i not sayin people copy what the groups above had done/said, but come with a different type of message in politics etc and cause such a stare???

i personally don't know, but at the minute with the state of Hip-Hop at the minute i'd say no. but i hope in the (near) future im proven wrong!IMO ... it's like watching an old friend die slow, and being powerless to do anything about it. It's happening because the industry has completely lost focus on "true" talent and originality. They have forgotten that Hip Hop started out as a "form of art/expressionism," now any kid who can lace to rhyming words together and "knows" somebody, can sell an album. It's ridiculous really.

You have the majority of the listening audience under the age of 18 and their primary focus is quite simply, "the beat." I can appreciate that, but I'm all about lyrical content and substance ... you know, what the artist is really saying (the underlying message, if you will). I mean, they (the youth) "know" the words to the song just from listening to it repeatedly, but most have no clue about what is "actually" saying. If you ask them to decipher a few lines, you'll lose them. This is a perfect example of what's killing this culture.

I personally have had my daughters look up the lyrics to these "so called" hot songs that they get into and read them out loud, totally devoid of the beat, the end result is them literally laughing out loud at their "so called" favorite rapper. LOL ... I get 'em every time with that. Now they do it on their own.

That's another thing. If the youth is never exposed to the "realness" of Hip Hop, they will never be able to fully appreciate, respect or understand the depth of it.

When I was a young kid, I used to wonder why adults would always say you'll never fully understand where you're going until you've learned where you've been. I know why now. That same philosophy needs to be applied to Hip Hop, because the majority of the new generation hasn't got a clue as to where the roots of this art form stem from. They'll just hop on any band wagon that pulls up in front of them, and that's sad.

It's also the reason why any real rapper with true substance or a high level of social conciseness will never get a break, because it's all about commercialism and the mainstream state of mind. Dig deep people ... dig deep!!

Sorry for the book ...


Peace

Ghost In The 'Lac
10-16-2005, 08:46 AM
Good to see everyones contributed real points to this, alot of you seem to blame the green stuff (not weed, that helped lol) i find it ironic that alot of these wack rappers all claim to be here by grace of God, and pretend to be faithful to him, but they routinely commit one of the deadly sins, Greed. At the heart of all they do.

baby jesus
10-16-2005, 09:19 AM
I Personally Thing It Will Turn Around. Maybe Wishful Thinkin But Everything Seems To Come Full Circle And I Think Hip-Hop Is One Of Them. Whether Its Because The Little Kids Lose Intrest And Companies Know They Have To Aim At The Real Hip-hop Fans Or People Will Eventually Start Rebelling On That Bubble Gum Rap. Sort Of Like When Grunge Took Over The Rock Scene

LetsGetFree
10-16-2005, 09:23 AM
the real music will always find a way to get itself out, the question is, will you support it?

oldie
10-16-2005, 09:48 AM
ya know how the wu have done the meets indie album to get all the real emcee's together with them. well the whole, or the more known type thing emcee's should get together to do an album. subject: fuck mainstream, basically. but not in that sense, talkin how its jus gone downhill. etc.