View Full Version : Did ya forget? Black History Month...

02-01-2011, 11:51 PM
...Or Black Misery Month dependin on how you C33 it.


For real, for realz:

I had to put a coworker in check today for addressing me as "my boy" instead of usin my name. She don't even know me like that. I told her 'you know my name. My name is...." and she got put in submission by not only by me, but by someone else (lol) and stayed quiet the whole time I was there. S33, ma 3rd3y3 stays open and I c33 what she did.

But some of ya white cats wouldn't understand the history of that word.


Drop history or misery...

02-01-2011, 11:56 PM

02-02-2011, 12:00 AM

"The most Marvellous bunch of... *BLAOU*"

02-02-2011, 03:17 AM

Professor Poopsnagle
02-02-2011, 05:33 AM
Shortest months of the year

02-02-2011, 10:56 AM
and coldest

Professor Poopsnagle
02-02-2011, 11:11 AM
January usually.

02-02-2011, 11:27 AM

Prolifical ENG
02-02-2011, 11:45 AM
second month of the year. 2 = wisdom.

Fatal Guillotine
02-02-2011, 12:09 PM
NBA's Color Line Is Broken


Fatal Guillotine
02-02-2011, 12:10 PM

Gabriel (1776 – October 10, 1800), today commonly – if incorrectly – known as Gabriel Prosser, was a literate enslaved blacksmith who planned to lead a large slave rebellion in the Richmond area in the summer of 1800. However, information regarding the revolt was leaked prior to its execution, thus Gabriel's plans were foiled. Gabriel, along with twenty-six members of the revolt, were hanged. In reaction, the Virginia and other legislatures passed restrictions on free blacks, as well as the education, movement and hiring out of the enslaved.

In 2002 the City of Richmond passed a resolution in honor of Gabriel on the 202nd anniversary of the rebellion. In 2007 Governor Tim Kaine gave Gabriel and his followers an informal pardon, in recognition that his cause, "the end of slavery and the furtherance of equality for all people – has prevailed in the light of history."

Fatal Guillotine
02-02-2011, 12:18 PM

Dr. Simon Hurt
02-02-2011, 12:25 PM

02-02-2011, 02:05 PM
Dr. Philip Emeagwali

Inventor of the World's Fastest Computer

http://www.black-inventor.com/media/images/bio_emeagwali.jpg Dr. Philip Emeagwali, who has been called the "Bill Gates of Africa," was born in Nigeria in 1954. Like many African schoolchildren, he dropped out of school at age 14 because his father could not continue paying Emeagwali's school fees. However, his father continued teaching him at home, and everyday Emeagwali performed mental exercises such as solving 100 math problems in one hour. His father taught him until Philip "knew more than he did."



Fatal Guillotine
02-02-2011, 03:27 PM
black history month wouldnt be known if it werent for

Carter Godwin Woodson (December 19, 1875 - April 3, 1950)[1] was an African-American historian, author, journalist and the founder of the Association for the Study of African American Life and History. He was one of the first scholars to value and study Black History. He recognized and acted upon the importance of a people having an awareness and knowledge of their contributions to humanity, and left behind an impressive legacy. A founder of Journal of Negro History, Dr. Woodson is known as the Father of Black History

Black History Month

After leaving Howard University because of differences with its president, Dr. Woodson devoted the rest of his life to historical research. He worked to preserve the history of African Americans and accumulated a collection of thousands of artifacts and publications. He noted that African American contributions "were overlooked, ignored, and even suppressed by the writers of history textbooks and the teachers who use them." Race prejudice, he concluded, "is merely the logical result of tradition, the inevitable outcome of thorough instruction to the effect that the Negro has never contributed anything to the progress of mankind." In 1926, Woodson single-handedly pioneered the celebration of "Negro History Week", for the second week in February, to coincide with marking the birthdays of Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.. The week was later extended to the full month of February and renamed Black History Month


02-02-2011, 07:32 PM

I'd like to point out this guy invented the mobile phone. Not sure why their is a misconception about a black guy inventing it. Just because Henry Sampson filed a patent, it doesn't make him the creator.

Lots of people file patents for concepts and never follow through.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-02-2011, 07:48 PM
black people invented people

nuff said

Prolifical ENG
02-02-2011, 07:52 PM
I guess I need to be the one to bring up 'ABC' and '123'.

Fatal Guillotine
02-03-2011, 06:08 PM
so yall just gonna let this thread die


Olive Oil Goombah
02-03-2011, 06:09 PM
black history month is so 1990's....

if the fucking 10's baby....

Fatal Guillotine
02-03-2011, 06:31 PM
African Kings



KING OF THE KONGO (1506-1540)

Affonso I was a visionary, a man who saw his country not as a group of
separate cultures, but as a unified nation fully equipped with advance
knowledge and technology. He was also known as the first ruler to
resist the most despicable act ever known to man, the European slave



The Creator of Monotheism

(1375-1358 B.C)

Akhenaton was the first ruler in recorded history to believe in the
concept of One God. He also taught this concept to all his citizens. He
built a new city in the desert that was dedicated to religion, art and
music. This new city, Akhenaton (now Tell el Amara), with its lush
gardens and magnificent buildings is where Akhenaton and his wife Queen
Nefertiti changed Kemet's culture so radically that their influence is
felt for centuries right up until today. Akhenaton was also the first
Pharaoh of whom a true likeness is recorded as shown in the picture to
the left.



KING OF SONGHAY (1493-1529)

Askia Toure united the entire central region of the Western Sudan, and
established a governmental machine that is still revered today for its
detail and efficiency. He divided his country into provinces, each with
a professional administrator as governor, and ruled each fairly and
uniformly through a staff of distinguished legal experts and judges.



THE KING SHARK (1841-1906)

Behanzin was the most powerful ruler in West Africa during the end of
the nineteenth century. He strongly resisted European intervention into
his country. This was done with a physically fit army which included a
division of five thousands female warriors. He is often referred to as
the King Shark, a Dahomeyan surname which symbolized strength and
wisdom. He was also fond of humanities and is credited with the
creation of some of the finest song and poetry ever produced in Dahomey.




Hannibal is well known as the greatest general and military strategist
who ever lived. He used his overpowering African armies to conquer
major portions of Spain and Italy and came very close to defeating the
Roman Empire. His audacious moves-such as marching his army with
African War elephants through the treacherous Alps to surprise and
conquer northern Italy and his tactical genius, as illustrated by the
battle of Cannae where his seemingly trapped army cleverly surrounded
and destroy a much larger Roman force, won him recognition which has
spanned more than 2000 years. His tactics are still being studied in
many military schools today.



RULER OF BORNU (1580-1617)

He is credited with re-uniting two of Africa's Kingdoms, the kingdoms
of Kanem and Bornu. This union lasted many generations with sustain
peace becoming a part of the Bornu.



Imhotep was the royal advisor to King Zoser during the Third Dynasty of
Kemet. Regarded as the world's first recorded multi-genius, Imhotep was
an architect, astronomer, philosopher, poet and physician. As an
architect he was responsible for designing the Step Pyramid and the
Saqqara Complex. During his lifetime he was given a host of titles,
among them:Chancellor of the King of Lower Kemet, the First after the
King of Upper Kemet, High Priest of Heliopolis and Administrator of the
Great Palace. As a physcian, Imhotep is believed to have been the
author of the Edwin Smith Papyrus in which more than 90 anatomical
terms and 48 injuries are described. This is well over 2,200 years
before the Western Father of Medicine Hippocrates is born. Some 2,000
years after his death, Imhotep was deified by the inhabitants of Kemet
and was known later as Asclepius, God of Medicine, to the Greeks. His
very name, Im-Hotep, translates as the Prince of Peace. His tomb near
Memphis became a sacred place and the site of pilgrimages for those
seeking a cure. As a philosopher and poet, Imhotep's most remembered
phrase is: "Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we shall die." There
still remain many bronze statuettes, temples and sanatoria bearing his
name, as is depicted in the picture of the statue above



KING OF THE OPOBO (1821-1891)

He was the founder and leader of the territory of Opobo an area near
the Eastern Nigeria River. This area was very favorable to trading.
This trading route soon attracted the greedy Europeans who seek to
capture this trading route. Ja Ja put up fierce resistance to this
outside intervention. This resistance lasted for many years until at an
older age of 70 he was finally captured by the British and sent into
exile to the West Indies. The greatest Ibo leader of the nineteenth
century never saw his kingdom again.




Khama distinguish his reign by being highly regarded as a peace loving
ruler with the desire of advancing his country in terms of
technological innovations. He instituted scientific cattle feeding
techniques which greatly inproved his country's wealth and prestige.
During his reign crimes were known to be as low as zero within his


The Father Of Pyramid Building (2551-2528 B.C)

King Khufu, who is also known by the greek name "Cheops," was the
father of pyramid building at Giza. He ruled from 2551 - 2528 B.C. and
was the son of King Sneferu and Queen Hetpeheres. Dates Built: c.
2589-2566 B.C. Total Blocks of Stone: over 2,300,000

Base: 13 square acres, 568,500 square feet, or 7 city blocks. The
length of each side of the base was originally 754 feet (230 m), but is
now 745 feet (227 m) due to the loss of the outer casing stones.

Total Weight: 6.5 million tons. Average Weight of Individual Blocks of
Stone: 2.5 tons, the large blocks used for the ceiling of the King's
Chamber weigh as much as 9 tons.

Height: Originally 481 feet (146.5 m) tall, Khufu is now, 449 feet tall
as the top stones have since fallen off or been removed. Until early in
this century, this pyramid was the tallest building on earth.

Angle of Incline: 51 degrees 50' 35"

Construction Material: limestone, granite



KING OF MALI (1306-1332)

A scholar, a great economists and a true man of the arts, Mansa Mussa
is well known for the impact he created with his flamboyant style. In
1324 he led his people on the Hadj, a holy pilgrimage from Timbuktu to
Mecca. His caravan consisted of 72 000 people whom he led safely across
the Sahara Desert and back, a total distance of 6,496 miles. So
spectacular was this event that Mansa Mussa gained the respect of
scholars and traders throughout the world. Also during his reign, Mali
was one of the most prestigious and wealthiest empires in the world.
This empire at this time also contain one of the worlds most
prestigious university in Timbuktu.


Fatal Guillotine
02-03-2011, 06:55 PM



Menelek II united many independent kingdoms into the United States of
Abyssinia (Ethiopia). The feat of pulling together several kingdoms
which often fiercely opposed each other earned him a place as one of
the great statesmen of African history. His further acomplishments in
dealing on the international scene with the world powers, coupled with
his stunning victory over Italy in the 1896 Battle of Adwa, which was
an attempt to invade his country, place him among the great leaders of
world history.




Moshoeshoe was a wise and just king who was as brilliant in diplomacy
as he was in battle. He united many diverse groups into a stable
society where law and order prevailed. He knew that peace made
prosperity possible, so he often avoided conflict through skillful
negotiations. Moshoeshoe solidified Basotho defenses at Thaba Bosiu,
their impregnable mountain capital.



The year was 1440. The King was Mutota. In any other European country
he would have been known as Mutota the Great. He and his council was
quick to see that even the most advance states each standing
independently and alone, were doomed to European criminal exploits
unless unified into a single nation with a strong central government.
This also should be achieve through voluntary association if possible.
Mutota and the new leaders understood this very well. Therefore,
Mutota, in 1440, began the campaign to carry out his grand design. This
was a great plan aimed at nothing less than uniting Africans into a
vast empire that cut across South Africa below the Limpopo river, and
covered Zimbabwe with an indefinite boundary beyond the Zambezi River
in Zambia, and on over Mozambique to the Indian Ocean, sweeping
southward again to re-posses the entire coastline fronting the New
Empire. This area contained the majority of the world precious metals
such as gold, copper, tin and iron held in over 4000 mines. After 30
years of struggle, unity was finally achieve in 1480 into the Empire of



Narmer or Aha was called Menes by the Greeks. Regarded as the founder
of Dynastic Kemet, he led an army from Upper Kemet in the south to
conquer Lower Kemet in the north around 3200BC. Upon victory Narmer
united Upper and Lower Kemet into one nation after which thirty
dynasties would follow. It was at this time that hieroglyphic writing
or any type of writing in the world for that matter, made its first
appearance, in the tombs and treasures of the pharaohs. One of Narmer's
first tasks was to build a city on his newly conquered lands. Here he
was met with a difficult task as the Delta region was covered by an
immense swamp. To remedy this situation, Narmer drained the swamp by
actually diverting the course of the Nile River. Upon this new land he
built a city which he named Men-Nefer:The Good Place. This city served
as the capital of Kemet for several centuries. An Arab traveler writing
as late as the Middle Ages reported the city "stretching a day's
journey in every direction." The Greeks would rename Men-Nefer
"Memphis," a name that even today honors an African king who lived
nearly 5,000 years ago.



KING OF ASANTE (1680-1717)

Osei Tutu was the founder and first king of the Asante nation, a great
West African kingdom in what is now Ghana. He was able to unite over
six different nations under his leadership. The Golden Stole became a
sacred symbol of the nation's soul, which was especially appropriate
since gold was the prime source of Asante wealth. During Osei Tutu's
reign, the geographic area of Asante tripled in size. The kingdom
became a significant power, that with his millitary and and political
prowess as an example, would endure for two centuries.



King of the Sudan (1830-1900)

The ascendance of Samory Toure began when his native Bissandugu was
attacked and his mother taken captive. After a persuasive appeal,
Samory was allowed to take her place, but later escaped and joined the
army of King Bitike Souane of Torona. Following a quick rise through
the ranks of Bitike's army, Samory returned to Bissandugu where he was
soon installed as king and defied French wicked exploits in Africa by
launching a conquest to unify West Africa into a single state. During
the eigthteen year conflict with France, Samory continully frustrated
the Europeans with his military strategy and tactics. This astute
millitary prowess brought him respect world wide.



Senwosert I was a Twelfth Dynasty King of Kemet (1897BC). Also known as
Kepre Kare Senwosert I, he was known to the Greeks as Kekrops and
Sesostris. Interestingly enough Herodotus, Greece's Father of History,
reported that Greece had once been conquered by a king named Sesostris.
Greek mythology also indicated that the legendary founder of Athens was
an Egyptian named Kekrops.



KING OF THE ZULUS (1818-1828)

A strong leader and military innovator, Shaka is noted for
revolutionizing 19th century Bantu warfare by first grouping regiments
by age, and training his men to use standardized weapons and special
tactics. He developed the "assegai" a short stabbing spear, and marched
his regiments in tight formation, using large shields to fend off the
enemies throwing spears. Over time, Shaka's troops earned such a
reputation that many enemies would flee at the sight of them. He built
the Zulus into a nation of over a million strong. He was also sucessful
in uniting all the ethnic groups in South Africa against the despicable
vestiges of colonialism.



KING OF NUBIA (710-664 B. C.)

Taharka is probably one of the most famous rulers of Napatan Kush. He
was 32 when he became king and was heir to a kingdom that included not
only Kush but KMT(Kemet) as well. He is said to have commanded military
campaigns in Western Asia as far away as Palestine and led expeditions
all the way to Spain. Mention of his great campaigns can be found in
the Bible (Isaiah 37:9, 2 Kings 19:9). During his reign, Taharka
controlled the largest empire in Ancient Africa. He was able to
initiate a building program throughout his empire which was
overwhelming in scope. The numbers and majesty of his building projects
were legendary, with the greatest being the temple at Gebel Barkal in
the Sudan. The temple was carved from the living rock and decorated
with images of Taharka over 100 feet high.



KING OF GHANA (1037-1075)

The country of Ghana reach the height of its greatness during the reign
of Tenkamenin. Through his careful management of the gold trade across
the Sahara desert into West Africa, Tenkamenin's empire flourished
economically. But his greatest strength was in government. Each day he
would ride out on horseback and listen to the problems and concerns of
his people. He insisted that no one be denied an audience and that they
be allowed to remain in his presence until satisfied that justice had
been done. His principles of democratic monarchy and religious
tolerance make Tenkamenin's reign one of the great models of African



PHARAOH OF KEMET (1504-1450 B.C.)

Thutmose III was a member of one of the greatest families in the
history of royalty anywhere in the world, the 18th Dynasty of Kemet
(Ancient Egypt). He is credited with strengthened the sovereignty of
Kemet and extended its influence into Western Asia.



Tutankhaten became pharoah after the death of Smenkhkare, and became
one of history's most famous royalty. Tutankhaten's story has since
come out, and we know more about this boy-king than we do about any
other person in the Kemartic period. Tutankhaten became pharoah at the
age of nine . He married Ankhesenpaaten and ruled from Akhetaten. Four
years after he became king, Tutankhaten moved his capital back to
Memphis, and changed his name to Tutankamun, in honor of the God Amun.
Tutankamun, ruled for nine years, until he was 18. The mummy discovered
in the Valley of the Kings has an injury to the skull, and it is
believed that Tutankamun was either the victim of an accident or he was
assasinated. His tomb is one of very few that have been discovered
almost untouched by theives.



Ramses II (the Great) was one of the most prolific builders of ancient
Egypt. Hardly a site exists that he did not initiate, add to, complete,
or build entirely himself. Some of the greatest monuments on any tour
of Egypt bear his stamp: Abu Simbel, Karnak and Luxor Temples, the
Ramesseum, and many others. He also commissioned the largest monolithic
statue ever, a seated statue of himself at the Ramesseum. Now lying in
pieces, the giant red-granite statue inspired many.

02-03-2011, 09:45 PM
Oh come on, Hannibal was Semitic... A Phoenician. From Lebanon...


The Carthaginian nobility looked down on the local Mauritanian and Numidian Africans. That's like saying Frederik Willem de Klerk was black because he ruled South Africa...

Likewise most of the Pharaohs didn't look anything like the art they had done of them. Those are highly stylized renditions to make them look like Gods. They were scrawny white guys.


Ramses the Great looked a lot like this guy based on the reconstructions.

Remember that Siddhartha Gautama was a gaunt (and I'm quite sure bearded) Indian and he's best known by statues depicting him as Chinese and obese.

02-03-2011, 10:13 PM
Historians are capable of lying.

02-04-2011, 06:46 AM
Historians are capable of lying.

You're capable of lying so logically you must be lying because I disagree with what you're saying...

No since we have their scrawny dead 3500 year old white man bodies... Mummies are black because they're preserved in tar stuff. That's where the word mummy comes in.

02-04-2011, 09:57 AM
You're capable of lying so logically you must be lying because I disagree with what you're saying...

No since we have their scrawny dead 3500 year old white man bodies... Mummies are black because they're preserved in tar stuff. That's where the word mummy comes in.

So were the Nubians of the 25th Egyptian dynasty who revitalized pyramid-building and stability in Egypt in the late period (c800-600 BC) white?

The Egyptians were not white (they may not have been black either) but saying they were white is pathetic revisionism. It is clear that Egypt was a cosmopolitan society with no pure race ideology and thus a national identity that doesn't fit your modern sensibilities. Both black and white people forget this and try to project modern race politics on a very different world. One they can't seem to put their head around.

02-04-2011, 02:17 PM
Isn't sad how whites destroyed OUR real history?! And isn't also sad that REAL black history isn't taught in American schools. They start black history off with slavery. They want the world to think that our origins originated from slavery.}:| It's a shame that if one wants to gain knowledge regarding REAL black history, one has to DIG in order to find it.

Thanks alot!

Olive Oil Goombah
02-04-2011, 03:23 PM
black history in US schools is african american history...retard.

"they" want the world to thing your origins are slaverly.

Your a fucking pathetic moron.

Your problem is t hat you want everything handed to you.

High school history is just scratching the surface. its bullshit names and dates.

YOu pussy, they offer african history courses at college, you should have taken one.

02-04-2011, 03:44 PM
High school history is just scratching the surface. its bullshit names and dates.

Maybe I should've been more specific. My post was in regards to PUBLIC SCHOOLS starting black history with slavery. It's American history, though.

And for one thing, nothing I currently have was ever handed to me, Dicky. I had to work hard for anything thing I own, unlike yourself. I don't know where you got the idea that I want things to be handed to me but....oh I know why you said that.

So, I don't know where you got that bullshit from but you need to chill out, seriously.

02-04-2011, 04:59 PM
black people invented people

nuff said


Fatal Guillotine
02-04-2011, 05:42 PM
Oh come on, Hannibal was Semitic... A Phoenician. From Lebanon...

The Carthaginian nobility looked down on the local Mauritanian and Numidian Africans. That's like saying Frederik Willem de Klerk was black because he ruled South Africa...

Likewise most of the Pharaohs didn't look anything like the art they had done of them. Those are highly stylized renditions to make them look like Gods. They were scrawny white guys.


Ramses the Great looked a lot like this guy based on the reconstructions.

Remember that Siddhartha Gautama was a gaunt (and I'm quite sure bearded) Indian and he's best known by statues depicting him as Chinese and obese.

lebanon is part of what continent
people on this continent are usually of what race

please keep in mind their are 9 different shades of the color black

Olive Oil Goombah
02-04-2011, 06:05 PM
so this is what black history is about??

02-05-2011, 01:21 AM
why are you worried about it ?

fuckin parasites i tell you

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Olive Oil Goombah
02-05-2011, 08:30 AM
black history is part of american history so its part of my history because im an American.

I have taken several black history courses in my school cirriculum, i dont kno what kinda places you learned from.

This whole, its ours mentality only further to increase the divide.

Saying whites have no business learning black american history is like saying the chinese have no business learning American history. It's ridiculous.

Sunny you are the lowest form of scum the world has to off.

A leeching, embittered, egotistical womprat drowned in his own self hatred and self pity.

a true mess of a human being.

02-05-2011, 09:53 AM
lebanon is part of what continent
people on this continent are usually of what race

please keep in mind their are 9 different shades of the color black

Lebanon: Asia
Lebanese: Caucasian

And there are 9 shades of white. It's not about color it's about heritage. That's bad science. They shouldn't be depicting a Carthaginian nobleman as a a West African. Besides those images were created for a beer advertisement...

To some Afrocentrists, Hannibal ranks not far behind Cleopatra as a black hero. Since 1975, Anhueser-Busch has been promoting its corporate image in the African-American community by commissioning and distributing portraits of “The Great Kings and Queens of Africa.” These attractive and forceful paintings include a Hannibal who is depicted as even blacker than Washington. In the beer company’s view, Hannibal more closely resembled Michael Clarke Duncan, the imposing 6’5″ African-American actor who earned an Oscar nomination for “The Green Mile.”

In contrast, non-Afrocentrists interested in the classical world have generally not reacted enthusiastically to the rumors that Washington might play Hannibal.

The racial diversity of North Africans offers the more erudite Afrocentrists a clever response. If you use the old American “one drop of blood rule” for defining who is black, then you could argue that there is a strong probability that Hannibal was “black” in the Jim Crow sense of having at least one black ancestor somewhere in his family tree.

The passions these kind of questions arouse make casting politically delicate.

Several ancient world enthusiasts, who objected to Washington as Hannibal, approved of [Vin] Diesel in the role. Khalaf of the Center for Phoenician Studies enthused over the star of the upcoming “XXX, “Vin Diesel is the absolute best choice for playing Hannibal. He looks very Mediterranean.”

Olive Oil Goombah
02-05-2011, 10:57 AM
american race relations and thinking is the fucking lowest form of everything.

why anybody would adhere to it is ridiculous, we are completely ignorant about culture, all we know is our disgusting mixture or prejudice, wal mart and fast food.

we should not speak on any of these things just because we all forfeited (whether by choice or not) our cultures for the money and wealth of america.

Fatal Guillotine
02-05-2011, 12:35 PM
Lebanon: Asia
Lebanese: Caucasian

And there are 9 shades of white. It's not about color it's about heritage. That's bad science. They shouldn't be depicting a Carthaginian nobleman as a a West African. Besides those images were created for a beer advertisement...

asia was a part of what continent before its erosion asia and what other continent were combined

Fatal Guillotine
02-05-2011, 12:52 PM
Hannibal has been variously called a Canaanite or Phoenician. The Canaanites were descendants of Ham or Hamites. ‘Hamite’ was a term once used widely by Europeans to denote members of the Black race. ‘Phoenician’ was another term used to describe these Blacks.

The original dwelling place of the Phoenicians was not in the Middle East but more likely in East Africa. According to Herodotus (see The Histories) they lived on the shores of the Eritrean Sea. This area is widely disputed today, but apparently it was located on the shores of East Africa.

The ancient Near East was a melting pot just like modern America. Different races could be found there, but the original race was a Black one. The Elamites, for instance, were Blacks. Later on it was possible to find not only Black Phoenicians, but White and mixed Phoenicians as well.

Carthage on the North African coast was a Phoenician colony. A reading of history makes it clear that many migrants including White Greeks settled in that area and beyond. Thus just like South Africa, it was possible to find different races there, known as Carthaginians.

The clearest evidence of Hannibal being Black is the coin found in the Valley of the Clanis in Italy, not far from where he defeated the Romans at the Battle of Lake Trasimeno. It is believed to have been minted by Hannibal after the battle. The date of the coin corresponds to the era of Hannibal’s early battles with the Romans.

According to White historians/scholars the coin, representing an elephant on one side and a Black man on the other, is not Hannibal but a mere elephant driver, never mind that the various portraits depicting a White Hannibal are those of other individuals.

The idea that the Black man was a mere elephant driver is pure rubbish since Carthaginians often minted coins to portray important personalities or deities. Moreover the words of Polybius are very telling. According to him before the Battle of Trasimeno, Hannibal had lost all his elephants with the exception of one, which he rode

By Hannibaal's time Phoenician blood
must have been very thin and the folk
of Khart Haddas' land at it's founding,
the Aurigha (sp) were a black people

A discussion of the ethnicity of Hannibal will be helped by seeing images of Semitic and Phoenician populations extant during the centuries before, during, and after him. The concentration of people seen on the page below having unaltered African features speaks to a time before the influx of whites; a time characterized, I'd say, by the historic African population existing in those lands.

The page below doesn't deal exclusively with the ethnicity of Hannibal (bottom left) but, I'd say, is related noting the plethora of names referring to a single people - to which the Phoenicians were a part:





The subject may (may) be wearing a diadem in that portrayal (my observation - and maybe there's none: it's hard to make out clearly). If so, a diadem is undoubtedly king's wear; that and the Indian elephant.

Phoenicians and Snail's shell: some use of the term (something like) snail's shell for the way the woolly hair of Buddha was portrayed. Interesting is that the above Phoenicians also have the "snail's shell" for portraying woolly hair.

Interesting that Buddha iconography and lineage could harken back to Phoenicians (they who were the traders among the Canaanites where Canaanites are also Semites and Hibaru - ultimately descendents of Ham - and if Hannibal has Phoenician ancestry, he would trace roots to Ham, be African, black) Buddha might through the Phoenicians (e.g. same "snail shell" iconography) be related to Hannibal and them both to Ham.

Fatal Guillotine
02-05-2011, 12:54 PM
Robin Walker speaks about Hannibal and Indian Elephant coin at ACH discussion group

Just as in America there is an attempt to rewrite the history of Tutankhamen to remove the Blacks from that history, a television documentary in Britain attempted to rewrite the history of Carthage to remove the Blacks from that history too.

First I present Channel Five's attempt to justify their dishonesty. Secondly, my answer is given below.


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Dear Sir

Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding Hannibal Of The Alps: Revealed. Hannibal Barca was indeed born in Carthage but his appearance and ethnic background have been an endless source of speculation amongst academic s over the years. There is only one contemporary image of Hannibal. It appears on a coin which is in the possession of the British Museum. However, even that coin is not 100% positively attributed to the period. (A good photographic image of it is available at http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/hannibal-command-spain.htm). You will see from the coin that Hannibal has what appear to be Caucasian features. Similarly there is scant documentary reference to his appearance. The only ‘contemporary’ commentator wrote 100 years after Hannibal’s death and gave little regard to a physical description of the man other than his size and strength.

In the present day there is a huge ethnographic variation across the continent of Africa so to say Hannibal would have looked ‘African’ would we believe, have also been misleading. After all, Omar Sharif and Nelson Mandela are both ‘African’ but no-one would think of them as being ethnically related. From the information we have available it is possible that Hannibal’s mother may have been Spanish. This would lead us to believe that it is likely that Hannibal would have be en olive skinned. Hannibal’s army was also made up of a huge variety of races of men he picked up on his travels through Europe. All colours of skin would have been in his army.

Our overriding aim was to provide an accurate historical narrative which would relate the life of an extraordinary general. This we believe we achieved. At no time did we intend to mislead the viewers of this film into thinking Hannibal was anything other than Carthaginian. < /DIV>
Thank you for your interest in Five.

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Dear Sir

I am wholly unimpressed with your treatment of the Hannibal issue.

On Hannibal’s Surus
Sir Gavin De Beer, author of Hannibal: The Struggle for Power in the Mediterranean, wrote that:

Hannibal . . . rode the sole surviving elephant, an animal which may have found its way into history, for some years later Cato the Elder recorded that the elephant which fought most bravely in the Second Punic War was called Surus. This name means the Syrian, and Syria was where the Ptolemies had captured Indian elephants, some of which they must have given to Carthage. A bronze coin found in the valley of the Clanis (Chiana), on Hannibal’s route to Lake Trasimene, bears on the obverse a Negro’s head . . . and on the reverse an equally obvious Indian elephant. It is believed to have been minted at just about this time, 217 BC; and as Pyrrhus never came this way with his elephants, the coin probably bears a representation of Hannibal’s sole surviving elephant, the Indian Surus. (UK, Thames and Hudson, 1969, page 191)

From this data, we are specifically told that:
• Hannibal rode the sole surviving elephant
• That elephant was of Indian origin
• A coin exists with this Indian elephant depicted on it

On page 190 of this same book, Sir Gavin reproduces the coin.

(See Picture 1 below)

It was from the British Museum and the caption reads as follows:

Bronze coin from the Chiana valley, c.217 BC, showing (obverse) a Negro’s head, and (reverse) an Indian elephant, perhaps Hannibal’s Surus.

There are however three weaknesses in Sir Gavin De Beer’s account
• He is remarkably reluctant to identify the Negro
• He erroneously gave the impression that there is only one such coin
• He did not comment on the Phoenician or Punic character under the elephant

Elsewhere in the same book (pages 104-105) Sir Gavin takes to task those “modern commentators who were ignorant of the differences between the bush and the forest varieties of African elephants.” He continues:
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Polybius’s account has been completely vindicated; the heights at the shoulder of the three elephants are approximately 7 feet 9 inches for the African forest elephant, 9 feet 6 inches for the Indian elephant, and 11 feet for the African bush elephant. The size of the Indian elephant made it possible to mount howdahs or ‘castles’ on its back, containing archers. The African forest elephant was too small . . . Indian and African elephants have been depicted on coins and mosaics, and the following differences between them are so clear-cut that they can easily be distinguished. The African forest elephant differs from the Indian in the following features: 1, the ear is enormous, whereas the Indian elephant’s ear is small; 2, the back has a concave dip between a high point over the shoulder and a nother high point over the hind quarters, whereas the back of the Indian elephant is an unbroken convex dome from front to rear; 3, the hind quarters are almost flat, whereas the Indian elephant’s hind quarters project backwards at a fairly sharp angle; 4, the head is carried high, while the Indian elephant carries its head low; 5, the forehead is flat, instead of showing the Indian elephant’s concave profile; 6, the trunk is marked by transverse ridges, instead of being smooth; 7, the tip of the trunk has two ‘fingers’ instead of only one as in the Indian elephant; 8, the upper part of the front edge of the hind leg is masked by a fold of skin forming a skirt, whereas the front edge of the hind leg of the Indian elephant is uncovered right up to the groin.

Keith Hart, a veterinarian, wrote a recent article for the journal Amphora: Volume II, entitled On Hannibal and Elephants. Part of the paper reads as follows:

Syria (now Iraq) once harbored the largest Asian subspecies (now extinct) hunted by the pharaohs 3,000 years ago. It is possible that the Ptolemies in Egypt were still able to obtain Syrian elephants in Hannibal’s time, and this may have been the original source of Hannibal’s one surviving animal. In any case, while the majority of Hannibal’s elephants were probably of North African origin, at least one may have been an Asian elephant. It is highly likely that the surviving elephant, emerging from the Apennines with the great Carthaginian on his back, was none other than Surus. Pliny the Elder tells us that he was not only the bravest of the elephants but that he also had one broken tusk. Scullard suggests that this eleph ant, which could have been a large, male, Asian elephant from Syria, was a gift from Ptolemy to his ally, the great Carthaginian general Hamilcar Barca (174). Hannibal was Hamilcar’s son and may have formed a relationship with Surus from childhood . . . I visualize Hannibal riding Surus into Etruria at the head of a bedraggled but victorious army. Scullard sheds one final light on the scene by turning our attention to Etrurian bronze coins issued around 217 B.C. when Hannibal passed through (176). The coin s clearly depict an Asian elephant. As Scullard points out, the coins could have nothing to do with Pyrrhus and his Asian elephants, who failed to reach as far north as Rome. The only other reasonable explanation is that the coins depict Surus, as he passes through Etruria and disappears into the mists of history. (US, American Philological Association, Volume 2, Issue 2, Fall 2003, page 6)

From this data, it is impossible to confuse an Indian with either variety of the African elephant.

Conclusion One: The coin that you claim is of Hannibal has the wrong type of elephant depicted on it. The caption associated with your coin reads:

Coin from Cartago Nova AR quarter shekel, (1.58g) c. 215 BC, Male head (of Hannibal?) left. / African elephant walking to right, dotted border

(See Pictures 2a and 2b below)

On the Carthaginian Origin of the Coins
P. Raffaele Garrucci, author of Le Monete Dell’Italia Antica, reproduces 5 coins found in Italy. O n page 58, he wrote the following:

11-14. Museo Kircheriano. Testa di moro con anello all’orecchio volta a d. R. Elefante asiatico con la squilla al collo stante, volto a destra. I bronzi che portano questi tipi si distinguono fra loro per quattro diverse lettere alfabetiche . . .
15. Nella collezione Strozzi. Questa monetina ha i tipi predetti e per lettera distinctiva . . . (Rome, 1885)

From this data, we are specifically told that:
• Coins 11-14 are in the Museo Kircheriano
• Coin 15 is in a private collection
• The coins are distinguished by different Phoenician or Punic characters written on them (See Appendix)
• The elephants are described as “asiatico” - meaning Indian in origin

On plate T. LXXV of the same book are reproductions of these coins.

(See Picture 3 below)

Conclusion Two: The coin that you claim is of Hannibal does not contain any Phoenician or Punic characters. There is thus nothing to connect your coin with Carthage other than conjecture.

On the Peopling of Carthage
Stephane Gsell, author of the voluminous Histoire Ancienne de L’Afrique du Nord, wrote that:

Plusieurs crânes, recueillis dans les cimetières, offrent des caractères propres aux nègres. (Volume IV, Franc e, Librairie Hachette, 1920, pages 173-4)

In the same book we read that:

On ne paraît pas avoir recontré jusqu’à present à Carthage, non plus qu’à Sidon, le type dit sémitique, fréquent chez les Juifs at les Arabes; face longue, en ovale régulier, nez mince at aquiline, crâne allongé et très renflé au-dessus de la nuque. (page 177)

From this data, we are specifically told that:
• Craniometric remains typical of Negroes have been found in Carthaginian cemeteries
• Craniometric remains typical of Semites have not been found in Carthaginian cemeteries
Eugène Pittard, an anthropology professor, reported in his Race and History: An Ethnological Introduction to History, that:

Other skeletal remains found in Punic Carthage and deposited in the Lavigerie Museum are from specimens discovered in private tombs that very likely belonged to the Carthaginian elite. The skulls are nearly all dolichocephalic. (UK, Kegan Paul reprint edition, 2003, page 335)

As an example:

Those who have visited the Lavigerie Museum at Carthage . . . will remember the magnificent sarcop hagus of the priestess of Tanit discovered by Père Delattre. This sarcophagus, the most highly decorated and artistic of those found, and whose outer image probably represents the goddess herself, must have been the coffin of a very great ecclesiastical personage. And the woman it contained exhibited Negroid characters. She was an African by race! (page 334)

From this data, we are specifically told that:
• Craniometric remains typical of the Carthaginian elites were dolichocephalic. Dolichocephaly (i.e. having a long skull) is generally typical of tropically-adapted populations

Conclusion Three: The coin that you claim is of Hannibal contains a Caucasian face. This is not consistent with the known anthropological facts.

In Closing
North Africa today cannot be used to discuss North Africa in ancient times. The Arabians who are there today conquered North Africa after 639 AD. The light-skinned Berbers are descended from the Vandal conquest of the fifth century AD and the Roman conquest of Carthage in 146 BC. As Carthage was founded in 814 BC it therefore contained no Arabians nor White Berbers.

In North Africa today Negro Berbers still exist such as the Harratin and the Chouchen. They are descended from the earliest inhabitants of North Africa. Their ancestors (called “Libyans”) were the numerically dominant population in Carthage from the elite down to the commoners.

The coin that you claim is Hannibal
• Has a face that is inconsistent with the k nown anthropological and historical facts
• Contains an elephant that is of the wrong type
• Lacks Phoenician or Punic writing

On the other hand I have shown that there are six different coins associated with Hannibal and all of them show him to be a Negro.

How did you manage to make a historical documentary and be totally oblivious of the key evidence?

Robin Walker

Appendix 1
It is not at all obvious that the people of Spain two thousand years ago were uniformly olive skinned nor were they uniformly of Caucasian appearance. The Annals of Human Genetics (Volume 67: Issue 4, July 2003) carried an interesting article entitled Joining the Pillars of Hercules: mtDNA Sequences Show Multidirectional Gene Flow in the Western Mediterranean by S. Plaza, F. Calafell, A. Helal, N. Bouzerna, G. Lefranc, J. Bertranpetit and D. Comas. In the article, they revealed the following data:

Out of 23 different L sequences in Iberia, two were also found in NW Africa (as well as in sub-Saharan Africa), and 7 others were found in sub-Saharan Africa (in a dataset comprising 1,158 individuals from 20 populations; Graven et al. 1995, Pinto et al. 1996; Watson et al. 1996; Mateu et al. 1997; Rando et al. 1998; Krings et al. 1999; Pereira et al. 2001; Brehm et al. 2002) but not in NW Africa. Treating the set of L sequences in Iberia as if it were a population reveals genetic distances from some W African populations, such as the Senegalese and Yoruba, that are slightly smaller than those between L sequences in Iberia and NW Africa. Thus, it may be the case that gene flow from NW Africa is not entirely responsible for the presence of L sequences in Iberia.

These authors are surprised by the presence of sub-Saharan genetic material in Iberia that they, of course, cannot comfortably explain. What this evidence implies, however, is that claiming Hannibal to have been Spanish of Half-Spanish is simply not a good enough get-out clause to remove his Negro ancestry.

Museo Kircheriano, Lavigerie Museum at Carthage, the British Museum,

Fatal Guillotine
02-05-2011, 12:58 PM

1. Some say that the coin is that of Pyrrhus but the dating of the coin proves it was minted several decades after Pyrrhus' arrival in Italy.

Also, according to ancient writers like Diodorus Siculus, the Phoenicians did mix with the locals among whom were Moors. In the index of his "Wars" Procopius described Moors as "A Black African race." Thus even if the Phoenicians were Whites, mixing for centuries with the local Black inhabitants would have made them Black.

2. The ptolemies of Egypt did have access to Indian elephants which they otained from ancient Syria. According to Cato the Elder, Hannibal's favourite elephant was called Surus, which means "Syrian." Thus Hannibal's elephant was Indian and not African.The elephant portrayed on the coin is Indian.

3. According to Polybius at the time of the Battle of Trasimene (or Trasimeno) there was only one elephant left, which Hannibal rode.
The coin in question dates from that era.

Fatal Guillotine
02-05-2011, 01:00 PM




Fatal Guillotine
02-05-2011, 01:11 PM
also hannibal has been stated to be a swathy by some researchers

swathy means dark complexed

Hannibal could have been black due to the fact that Carthage is located in Africa. Also, Carthaginian were descendants of the phonicans. Ancient phonicans were semetic people. Semitic is a linguistic term referring to a subdivision of largely Middle Eastern Afro-Asiatic. Afro-Asiatic!!!!!!! not indo-european, Afro-Asiatic.

Olive Oil Goombah
02-05-2011, 01:40 PM
its swarthy you fucking moron.

are you guys really debating this shit??

with your primitive american minds that only see black and white and believe int his ridiculous "one drop" rule.

Fatal Guillotine
02-05-2011, 01:46 PM
Prince Hall





Abolitionist, Leather crafter


Civic leader Prince Hall was the most famous black in the Boston area during the American Revolution and through the turn of the nineteenth century. He was the founder and master of the world's first black Masonic lodge, African Lodge No. 459, which laid the basis for an organization that continues to this day. Though apparently self-taught, he used his eloquence to organize the black community politically on such issues as slavery, public education, and economic equality.
Narrative Essay

Prince Hall's parentage, birthplace, and date of birth are unknown, but he is believed to have been born about 1735. Little is known of his personal life. The most widely circulated version of his life, which originated in William H. Grimshaw's 1903 book The Official History of Freemasonry among the Colored People in North America, has been strongly discredited; but most history books draw directly or indirectly from it for their own sketches of Hall. In truth, almost nothing about Hall can be documented prior to 1770. Compounding the lack of recorded information is the existence of other blacks named Prince Hall living in the Boston area during this period.

The earliest mention of Hall's name in a documented statement indicates that he was the slave of a Boston leather-dresser named William Hall in the late 1740s. Prince Hall, consequently, was taught leather crafting as a trade. During his servitude, he joined the Congregational Church, School Street, Boston, in 1762 and married fellow slave Sarah Richie on November 2, 1763. The marriage ended with her death on an unrecorded date.

William Hall gave Prince Hall his freedom on April 9, 1770, as reward for 21 years of steadfast service. A few months later, on August 22, he married Flora Gibbs of Gloucester, a small seaside town northeast of Boston. They had one son, Prince Africanus, who was baptized on November 14, 1784, at the New North Church, Boston. At some point in his life he may have fathered a second son, Primus Hall, by a woman named Delia. Shortly after his marriage to Gibbs, Prince Hall opened his own leather goods shop, The Golden Fleece, which became successful. He also worked as a caterer.
Free Black Lodge Founded

Free blacks in and around Boston had little social or political power in the Revolutionary War era. They also lacked formal organizations through which to coordinate beneficial endeavors. In early 1775, Hall petitioned to become a member of Boston's St. John's Lodge of Freemasons but was turned away, presumably because of his race.

Soon thereafter, he and 14 other free black men approached a British army lodge of Freemasons attached to the 38th Foot Regiment, stationed near Boston. Hall and the others were initiated into the lodge on March 6, 1775. The regiment withdrew from the area a short time later, and Sergeant John Batt, who had been in charge of the initiation, issued a limited permit on March 17 allowing the group certain Masonic privileges as well as permission to meet as a lodge. On July 3, 1775, the group formed African Lodge No. 1, the first lodge of black Free and Accepted Masons in the world, and Hall was made master. Provincial Grand Master of North America John Rowe granted the lodge a second limited permit to continue their activities.

Meanwhile, the Revolutionary War had begun with skirmishes at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775. Rumors that Hall took up arms as a patriot have not been substantiated. Many blacks served in the Continental Army, and historians have claimed that as many as one in seven were men of color. It is certain, however, that Hall used his leather crafting skills to provide five leather drumheads for the Boston Regiment of Artillery, as stated in a bill of sale dated April 24, 1777, written by Hall.

Public records from the time show that Hall was both a taxpayer and regular voter. He was politically active and rallied his fellow Masons and the Boston community at large to support black causes in which he was involved.

On January 13, 1777, Hall was among eight black petitioners to the Massachusetts state legislature requesting the abolition of slavery in the state. Hall's signature was one of four belonging to Masons, whose names topped the document. The petition adopted the same terminology used by the nation's founding fathers to state their case for freedom from Britain. It was also similar to one sent to Governor Thomas Gage on May 25, 1774, which had been rejected by the British governor. State legislators referred the 1777 petition to the Congress of the Confederation, possibly as a way to avoid the issue themselves. Slavery in Massachusetts was later ended by a state judicial decision in 1783.

Reference to African Lodge No. 1 virtually disappeared from the public record during the latter years of the war for independence, perhaps because many members were away fighting. At war's end, the lodge was still without a permanent charter. Hall wrote to his Most Worshipful Master William Moody of Brotherly Love Lodge No. 55, London, on March 2, 1784, but received no reply. A second letter on June 30, 1784, had the desired effect. On September 29, 1784, a charter was granted authorizing the organization of African Lodge No. 459 in Boston under the leadership of Prince Hall as master. After a lengthy wait, the charter arrived in Boston on April 29, 1787.

In 1786 another rebellion began brewing in the western half of Massachusetts. Named for Captain Daniel Shays, the Shays' Rebellion pitted former patriots who had returned to debt-ridden properties, mostly farms, against the moneyed classes who controlled the banks that were now foreclosing on them. Governor James Bowdoin called for troops to travel west to crush Shay's insurgents. On November 26, Hall wrote a letter to Bowdoin offering the governor the services of 700 black troops he said he could raise; but Hall's offer, which may have been made to declare the black community's loyalty to the new state, was rejected. White politicians were perhaps as afraid of the possible consequences of arming a large group of black men as they were of dealing with the already-armed white farmers of the west.

The following year, Hall reversed his loyalty to the state government and proposed that the state organize a back-to-Africa movement in a petition of January 4, 1787. Leading a committee of 12 members from the African Lodge, Hall proposed that the state secure funds for sending Massachusetts' black population to a point on the African coast. The proposal also called for a colonization effort that would result in mutual benefit to both parties, including extensive future trade between the two states. The petition, which appears to be the first major statement on African colonization by black Americans, died in committee.

Hall then turned his attention to other issues. On October 17, 1787, he petitioned the state legislature to provide education for black children. Blacks were taxed on an equal basis with whites, but only white children received state-supported education. The petition failed, and Hall was equally unsuccessful in obtaining local support for public schools.

Hall was successful, however, in helping to end the slave trade in Massachusetts. In early February 1788, three free black Bostonians, one a Mason, were lured aboard a ship by a captain promising work. Instead, the men were kidnapped, shipped to the Caribbean, and sold as slaves. In a February 27 petition attacking the slave trade, Hall and 21 other Masons stated their outrage at the seizure of their fellow citizens. The state legislature passed an act on March 26 designed to prohibit the slave trade within the state's borders and to provide recourse for the families of those abducted. Sufficient pressure was applied by Governor John Hancock and the French consul in Boston to obtain the release of the men from the French island of St. Bartholomew. The African Lodge organized a celebration to mark their return home in July of that year.

Hall pressed on for equal education. In 1796 he urged the selectmen of Boston to create a separate school for black children. His request was approved, but the selectmen claimed that no suitable building could be acquired, and the issue remained unresolved.

In an address to the African Lodge at Menotomy (now West Cambridge) on June 24, 1797, Hall focused on slavery in the United States. Reflecting on the recent slave revolt on the West Indies island of Hispaniola that resulted in the creation of Haiti, he encouraged his audience to have faith in God and to bear their burdens quietly, but to be ready for the day of deliverance. The Voice of Black America quotes Hall's petition: Now, my brethren, nothing is stable; all things are changeable. Let us seek those things which are sure and steadfast, and let us pray God that, while we remain here, he would give us the grace and patience and strength to bear up under all our troubles, which, at this day, God knows, we have our share of. Patience, I say; for were we not possessed of a great measure of it, we could not bear up under the daily insults we meet with in the streets of Boston, much more on public days of recreation. How, at such times, are we shamefully abused, and that to such a degree that we may truly be said to carry our lives in our hands, and the arrows of death are flying about our heads. Helpless women have their clothes torn from their backs, even to the exposing of their nakedness. ... My brethren, let us not be cast down under these and many other abuses we at present are laboring under, for the darkest hour is just before the break of day. My brethren, let us remember what a dark day it was with our African brethren, six years ago, in the French West Indies. Nothing but the snap of the whip was heard, from morning to evening. Hanging, breaking on the wheel, burning, and all manner of tortures were inflicted upon those unhappy people. But, blessed be God, the scene is changed.

Hall did not hold all white men accountable for the institution of slavery; in fact, he hoped that with the support of like-minded whites, black men could help bring about abolition through persuasion. However, he was not encouraged by the fact that even white Masons did not freely accept their black counterparts, despite their claims to liberty, fraternity, and love of God.

As black masonry continued to remain separate from white masonry in the United States, Hall spread his organization to other cities. On June 24, 1797, a second black lodge was chartered in Providence, Rhode Island. A year later, a third one was started in Philadelphia, with Absalom Jones as worshipful master and Richard Allen as treasurer.

On June 28, 1798, Hall appears to have married for a third time. Sylvia (or Zilpha) Ward would remain his wife until his death a decade later.

In 1800 Hall made a second request to the selectmen of Boston to acquire a building for a black school. After another refusal, Hall offered his own home for the school. A pair of Harvard College students served as teachers until 1806. At that point, increased enrollment forced a move to larger facilities, which were provided by the African Society House on Belknap Street.

Prince Hall died in Boston on December 4, 1807. Funeral rites, in accord with masonic rites, were performed at his home in Lendell's Lane one week later. He was buried in the 59th Street Mathews Cemetery, Boston, in late March, 1808, after a large procession of blacks followed his body to the gravesite. Within a year of his death, Hall's followers renamed their order for their former, much-beloved leader.

Born in obscurity, Prince Hall literally worked himself free of his lowly beginnings. Through diligence and effort he cultivated his abilities, then used them to help others do the same. His name lives on in the title of the largest and most well-regarded black fraternal order, the Prince Hall Masons.

02-06-2011, 11:18 AM
This is stupid. Phoenicia was in Lebanon. That is not up for debate. Axum was in the horn of Africa. Hannibal was Phoenician. No amount of inaccurate spam will convince the observer that Hannibal looked anything like that image. Maybe he had "black blood" but he didn't look like that.

There is no conspiracy to depict black historical figures as white. There is a conspiracy to depict "swarthy" people as black. It's called Afrocentrism and it's on purpose. At least when the Europeans depicted Jesus as blond blue eyed and white they didn't know any better. It's not like they had the ability to travel to Jerusalem and see what they looked like there.

There is a spectrum of pigmentations.

Do not think you are superior to me because your entire body is a freckle... that's all it is. I have areas of my skin that are probably darker than most black people because I'm white. This is stupid. I started out concerned at the fact people were using Beer Commercials designed to make black people feel appreciated and buy their beer as a historical source.

Fatal Guillotine
02-06-2011, 01:16 PM
Maybe he had "black blood" <------an assumption

Do not think you are superior to me because your entire body is a freckle. <-----i dont concern myself with comments such as these

Fatal Guillotine
02-06-2011, 01:17 PM
and it not spam...

02-06-2011, 01:52 PM
Yes it is. I'm probably one of the few people who takes the time to read long posts and I can't suffer through yours. Instead of copying and pasting information just drop a link.

The only real difference between blacks and whites is how much melanin is produced by their melanocytes. It's a superficial thing. However even very light skinned people have the same melanocyte count and can produce just as much melanin if they needed to. Which is why I have freckles even though my skin is overall lighter. There isn't a black heritage or a black culture because there aren't black people. So calling Hannibal black isn't only an assumption but a waste of time.

There is no black history because there are no black people. There is history, there is American history, but there isn't "black history." If there was a powerful African culture dominating the world and they had enslaved white people and viewed them as inferior as to justify their slavery I wouldn't be pissed off at so called black people.

You've got blacks in Africa and Blacks in Australia and they only thing they have in common is skin color because there is no ethnic ties. They're just both black. Just like Japanese people (especially Ainu) and Europeans are white skinned but we wouldn't call them all that. An Italian from Venice and an Italian from Syracuse are not the same ethnicity but they're both white. A Bavarian and a Scotsman might be light skinned and share a passion for ethanol, but they're not the same ethnicity or culture.

Fatal Guillotine
02-06-2011, 02:09 PM
Yes it is. I'm probably one of the few people who takes the time to read long posts and I can't suffer through yours. Instead of copying and pasting information just drop a link.

The only real difference between blacks and whites is how much melanin is produced by their melanocytes. It's a superficial thing. However even very light skinned people have the same melanocyte count and can produce just as much melanin if they needed to. Which is why I have freckles even though my skin is overall lighter. There isn't a black heritage or a black culture because there aren't black people. So calling Hannibal black isn't only an assumption but a waste of time.

There is no black history because there are no black people. There is history, there is American history, but there isn't "black history." If there was a powerful African culture dominating the world and they had enslaved white people and viewed them as inferior as to justify their slavery I wouldn't be pissed off at so called black people.

You've got blacks in Africa and Blacks in Australia and they only thing they have in common is skin color because there is no ethnic ties. They're just both black. Just like Japanese people (especially Ainu) and Europeans are white skinned but we wouldn't call them all that. An Italian from Venice and an Italian from Syracuse are not the same ethnicity but they're both white. A Bavarian and a Scotsman might be light skinned and share a passion for ethanol, but they're not the same ethnicity or culture.

first off all this is in my archival, if you feel the need to disagree in the statement that Hannibal was a Moor, find by me.

i see i cant change your views

Fatal Guillotine
02-07-2011, 11:51 AM
i just wanted to say this:

the accusation which you placed as "copy & paste". first and foremost, the only copy & paste material is that of the info pertaining to the bio-chip. the information that is placed within my threads , maybe lengthy but to those that choose to want to be informed it doesnt bother them, also most of the info is from research...thats been save. this info being placed can be either rejected or embraced by the reader (youre gonna have both in any situation), but more than likely i want it to strike up a good meaningful discussion

sham-ill stated the same thing and i will say this, i dont dictate to people how there threads are made so i dont inspect people to dictate how mine are made

the majority of the topics in ktl are topics that me and friends have discussed before and some i have extensive knowledge on Freemasonry and HOGD for example

i think the dictating how a persons thread is made takes away from the potential it can possess


also you may want to read J.A Rogers Sex & Race I, II, & III

Fatal Guillotine
02-11-2011, 02:06 PM

Nationality - African American

Occupation - Entrepreneur, Philanthropist, Social Activist

Also Known As: Sarah Breedlove

Narrative Essay

As a manufacturer of hair care products for African American women, Madame C.J. Walker, born Sarah Breedlove (1867-1919), became one of the first American women millionaires.

Madame C.J. Walker, named Sarah Breedlove at birth, was born December 23, 1867, in Delta, Louisiana, to Owen and Minerva Breedlove, both of whom were emancipated slaves. The Breedloves worked as sharecroppers on a cotton plantation. At the age of six Sarah was orphaned, and in 1878, after the cotton crop failed and a yellow fever epidemic struck, the young girl moved to Vicksburg to live with her sister Louvinia and to work as a domestic. She worked hard from the time that she was very young, suffered great poverty, and had little opportunity to get an education. In order to escape the oppressive environment created by Louvinia's husband, Sarah married Moses McWilliams when she was only fourteen years old. At eighteen she gave birth to a daughter she named Lelia, and at twenty she was widowed.

Sarah then decided to move to St. Louis, where she worked as a laundress and in other domestic positions for eighteen years, joined St. Paul's African Methodist Episcopal Church, and put her daughter through the public schools and Knoxville College. Sarah, who was barely literate, was especially proud of her daughter's educational accomplishments.

By the time she was in her late thirties, Sarah was contending with hair loss because of a combination of stress and damaging hair care products. After experimenting with various methods, she developed a formula of her own that caused her hair to grow again quickly. She often recounted that after praying about her hair, she was given the formula in a dream. When friends and family members noticed how Sarah's hair grew back, they began to ask her to duplicate her product for them. She began to prepare her formula at home, selling it to friends and family and marketing it door to door.

With the help of her family and her second husband, Charles Joseph Walker, a newspaperman whom she had married in 1906 after she moved to Denver, she began to advertise a growing number of hair care products. She also adopted her husband's initials and surname as her professional name, calling herself Madam C.J. Walker for the rest of her life, even after the marriage ended. Her husband helped her develop mail marketing techniques for her products, usually through the medium of African American-owned newspapers. When their small business was successful, with earnings of about $10 a day, Walker felt that she should continue to expand, but her husband felt that she was too ambitious. Rather than allow her husband's wishes to restrain her, the couple separated.

Walker's business continued to develop, as she not only marketed her hair care products but also tutored African American men and women in their use, recruiting a group called "Walker Agents." Her products were often used in conjunction with a metal comb that was heated on the stove and used to straighten very curly hair. She also began to manufacture a facial skin cream. The hair process was controversial because many felt that African American women should wear their hair in natural styles rather than attempt to change the texture from curly to straight. In spite of critics, Walker's hair care methods gained increasing popularity among African American women, who enjoyed products designed especially for them. This resulted in growing profits for Walker's business and an increasing number of agents who marketed the products for her door to door.

Working closely with her daughter Lelia (who later changed her name to A'Lelia), Walker opened a school for "hair culturists" in Pittsburgh--Lelia College--which operated from 1908 to 1910. In 1910 the Walkers moved to Indianapolis, where they established a modern factory to produce their products. They also began to hire African American professionals who could direct various aspects of their operation. Among the workers were tutors who helped Walker get a basic education.

Walker traveled throughout the nation demonstrating her products, recruiting salespersons and practitioners, and encouraging African American entrepreneurs. Her rounds included conventions of African American organizations, churches, and civic groups. Not content with her domestic achievements, Walker traveled to the Caribbean and Latin America to promote her business and to recruit individuals to teach her hair care methods. Observers estimated that Walker's company had about three thousand agents for whom Walker held annual conventions where they were tutored in product use, hygienic care techniques, and marketing strategies. She also gave cash awards to those who were most successful in promoting sales.

At A'Lelia's urging, Walker purchased property in New York City in 1913, with the belief that a base in that city would be important. In 1916 she moved to a luxurious townhouse she had built in Harlem, and a year later to a posh estate called Villa Lewaro she had constructed at Irvington-on-Hudson, New York.

Although Walker and her daughter lived lavishly, they carefully managed each aspect of their business, whose headquarters remained in Indianapolis, and gave to a number of philanthropic organizations. According to rumor, Walker's first husband was lynched. Perhaps it was partially for this reason that Walker supported anti-lynching legislation and gave generously to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, eventually willing that organization her estate in Irvington-on-Hudson. The Walkers generously supported religious, educational, charitable, and civil rights organizations.

Although cautioned by her doctors that her fast-paced life was impairing her health, Walker did not heed the warnings. On May 25, 1919, when she was 51 years old, she died of hypertension. Her funeral service was held in Mother Zion African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church in New York City. Renowned African American educator Mary McLeod Bethune delivered the eulogy, and Walker was buried at Woodlawn Cemetery in the Bronx. Her daughter, A'Lelia, succeeded her as president of the Madame C.J. Walker Manufacturing Company.