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netscape check two
06-01-2011, 08:45 PM
-- ‘Handcuffed by policy,’ fire and police crews watch man drown

An apparently suicidal man waded into San Francisco Bay on Monday, stood up to his neck, and waited. As the man drowned, police, fire crews, and others watched idly from the shore.

Why? Officials blamed a departmental policy, stemming from budget cuts, that prevented them from jumping in to save him.

Fifty-year-old Raymond Zack spent nearly an hour in the water before drowning. A crowd of about 75 people, in addition to first responders, watched from the beach in Alameda across the bay from San Francisco as Zack inched farther and farther away, sometimes glancing back, a witness told the San Jose Mercury News. "The next thing he was floating face down."

A volunteer eventually pulled Zack's lifeless body from the Bay.

Mike D'Orazi of the Alameda Fire Department said that, due to 2009 budget cuts, his crews lacked the training and gear to enter the water. And a Coast Guard boat couldn't access the area because the water was too shallow.

"The incident yesterday was deeply regrettable," D'Orazi said Tuesday. "But I can also see it from our firefighters' perspective. They're standing there wanting to do something, but they are handcuffed by policy at that point."

Alameda Police Lt. Sean Lynch also suggested his men did the right thing. "He was engaged in a deliberate act of taking his own life," Lynch told the Mercury News. "We did not know whether he was violent, whether drugs were involved. It's not a situation of a typical rescue."

But at a City Council hearing Tuesday night, some locals expressed outrage that Zack was left to die. "This just strikes me as not just a problem with funding, but a problem with the culture of what's going on in our city, that no one would take the time and help this drowning man," said one resident, Adam Gillitt.

The city said it would spend up to $40,000 to certify 16 firefighters in land-based water rescues.

One witness to the event told a local news station that Zack was looking at people on the shore. "We expected to see at some point that there would be a concern for him," said another.


06-01-2011, 08:49 PM
Maybe he owed them money he didn't have?

netscape check two
06-01-2011, 08:51 PM
Maybe they didn't save him cause he was chewing gum

06-01-2011, 08:55 PM
So no one had a personal boat or jet ski they could've taken out there?

06-01-2011, 08:56 PM
Oh Fuck you

These guys gotta lose their jobs. Wait what the fuck type of way to kill yourself is that? Theres at least a dozen ways to do it that don't take an hour. This guy sounds retarded, maybe he aint even mean to kill hisself.

06-01-2011, 08:57 PM
and no bistanderd went and helped him... oh well he was probably a free man that what you get when you want sovereignty

Uncle Steezo
06-01-2011, 09:32 PM
wait. he drowned in NECK DEEP water?

06-01-2011, 09:40 PM
hahahahahaahhhaha i didn't catch that hahahah he deserved to die

Uncle Steezo
06-01-2011, 09:44 PM
he shoulda laid face down in a shallow puddle. now THAT's gangsta.

David Daniel Davis
06-02-2011, 06:23 AM
That part about not being able to get a Coast Guard boat to him is bullshit because having actually been in the Coast Guard; we have go fast boats what would have been able to get to him in neck deep water; so unless this guy was two or three feet tall; there is no excuse.

Uncle Steezo
06-02-2011, 11:14 AM
if he was 2-3 feet tall means he drowned in 1-2 ft of water.

06-02-2011, 12:20 PM
hahaahhahaha @ drowning in neck deep water

they prolly thought he was just swimming