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RzaRectum
06-22-2011, 11:22 AM
Statue of Liberty … from Perge?

http://rogueclassicism.com/2010/08/18/statue-of-liberty-from-perge/


Posted: August 18, 2010 by rogueclassicist in Uncategorized (http://rogueclassicism.com/category/uncategorized/)
Tags: Statue of Liberty (http://en.wordpress.com/tag/statue-of-liberty/), Turkey (http://en.wordpress.com/tag/turkey/)
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One of the reasons for the paucity of posts over the past while was that I was in a very low/expensive bandwidth situation which didn’t give me the luxury of checking stories which landed in my mailbox. This excerpt from some sort of travel site is a prime example:
This in itself would be reason enough to visit Perge, and the many other ancient discoveries in Turkey but the added intrigue of Perge’s “Statue of Liberty” makes a trip there irresistible. Carved into a tall column, the three-dimensional figure bears an uncanny resemblance to New York’s own, including a crown and a torch held high and, as same as the American “lady,” a sword instead of a tablet of law. And, the similarities make sense because it turns out that Frederic Bartholdi’s inspiration for American Statue of Liberty was none other than the Roman deity, Libertas, the goddess of freedom. Could it be that Perge’s figure, with her distinctive pose and characteristics, became the model all the “Lady Liberties” down through the ages?
via: Are The Origins Of America’s Statue Of Liberty To Be Found In Turkey? Recent Discovery of Figure on Ancient Column in Perge Leads to Speculation (http://www.travelvideo.tv/news/turkey/08-18-2010/are-the-origins-of-americas-statue-of-liberty-to-be-found-in-turkeyrecent-discovery-of-figure-on-ancient-column-in-perge-leads-to-speculation)
The vagueness of the date of the ‘discovery’ is what I wanted to check and I really can’t go much better than “recent”. The ‘official’ Turkish tourism site (http://www.goturkey.com/content.php?cid=53194&typ=c&lng=en) includes similarly undated info:
The roots of the famous ‘Statue of Liberty’ emerged from the ancient site Perge in Antalya. A statue that was realised on one of the columns turned out to be very similar to the ‘Statue of Liberty’.The roots of the ‘Statue of Liberty’ go back to an ancient statue that was excavated in the ancient site Perge. It was found out that a statue on one of the columns decorating the ancient site is very similar to the ‘Statue of Liberty’. This column which was discovered after the excavations have started, has gained a lot of interest.The statue holding a torch in [his] hand and with its nine bars resemble the ‘Statue of Liberty’ incredibly. During a visit to Perge by the Minister of Culture and Tourism Ertuğrul Günay, got a promise for lifting the columns. When the columns have been lifted, the figure of the ‘Statue of Liberty’ came out clearly.
… and a photo:
http://www.goturkey.com/images_for_text/arc-30.jpg
Judging from other finds mentioned on the page, the find was made in the past year, so it seems unlikely that the Perge depiction of Libertas was the direct influence for the thing in New York’s harbour. Other than that, the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty) on the various influences that came together in the modern sculpture are interesting (especially the detail that it was originally designed to be sporting a pileus, which was shot down as ‘abolitionist’).


http://www.alaturka.info/en/mediterranean-region/antalya-environment/perge-statue-of-liberty



2001.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/National_Park_Service_9-11_Statue_of_Liberty_and_WTC_fire.jpg

RzaRectum
08-23-2011, 11:40 AM
Lady Liberty is known by another name in common use. The Goddess, Columbia.

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08-23-2011, 12:24 PM
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TheBoarzHeadBoy
08-23-2011, 02:54 PM
Obviously.

We owe a great debt to our founders. Freemasons, Illuminati, or otherwise for the ideals they held.

Did you know the Statue of Liberty is dead in the center of the Washington and Bunker Hill Monuments? Two obelisks form a gateway and the statue of liberty is the gate keeper.

America is derived from the name of the sacred five pointed star called La Merica. America in French is L'America. Merica is where the Templars fled based on the accounts of the New World. Merica was probably the western star. Also called Vesper (Lucifer's brother) in Latin.
The land of Merica was a new world. "New World Order." The Knights of the New World. Skull and Bones. It's all an ancient tradition seeking the best for civilization. The New World was a fresh start. Where the Templars could establish a New Order of The Ages. A New Rome. A New Republic.


American symbolism is obvious and unhidden. There's no "Secret", you're either ignorant of the meaning or you aren't. Masons put their symbols in the open. If you want to see them they're there. Otherwise you just walk by.

INF
08-23-2011, 02:55 PM
the Goddess ROCKS!

RzaRectum
08-24-2011, 12:37 AM
The symbols are in plain sight, but the symbolic meanings are esoteric by design and therefore hidden. The only things that are known are what institutionalized establishments teach, which incidentally are not always the real meaning (ie The Olympics).

As far as seeking the best for civilization, that depends on who is viewed as civilized. From what I can tell, there are two general groups of the illuminati; one group is philanthropic in nature and the other is parasitic. All the affiliations therein fall under these two basic categories.

joe@itagain
08-24-2011, 07:04 AM
Obviously.

We owe a great debt to our founders. Freemasons, Illuminati, or otherwise for the ideals they held.

Did you know the Statue of Liberty is dead in the center of the Washington and Bunker Hill Monuments? Two obelisks form a gateway and the statue of liberty is the gate keeper.

America is derived from the name of the sacred five pointed star called La Merica. America in French is L'America. Merica is where the Templars fled based on the accounts of the New World. Merica was probably the western star. Also called Vesper (Lucifer's brother) in Latin.
The land of Merica was a new world. "New World Order." The Knights of the New World. Skull and Bones. It's all an ancient tradition seeking the best for civilization. The New World was a fresh start. Where the Templars could establish a New Order of The Ages. A New Rome. A New Republic.


American symbolism is obvious and unhidden. There's no "Secret", you're either ignorant of the meaning or you aren't. Masons put their symbols in the open. If you want to see them they're there. Otherwise you just walk by.

You mean YOUR founders. I'm not wit having another Rome or Egypt. Greek pagans sacrificed and raped children and each other for their rituals and holy-days not to excluded slavery. Roman Catholic Church and so called Jewish people fund holy wars...U want them to be your founders? If you do your one sick individual...

Frank Sobotka
08-24-2011, 10:24 AM
Wasn't there some eurofag who discovered america before columbus who was called ameriko or some shit like that?

TheBoarzHeadBoy
08-24-2011, 10:35 AM
You mean YOUR founders. I'm not wit having another Rome or Egypt. Greek pagans sacrificed and raped children and each other for their rituals and holy-days not to excluded slavery. Roman Catholic Church and so called Jewish people fund holy wars...U want them to be your founders? If you do your one sick individual...

How are any of those people the founders?

There is no correlation. An Empire of Liberty does not have human sacrifice or institutionalized child prostitution, or slavery.

The laws are against such actions. Murder, Rape, and Slavery are all punishable by long sentences or death. America is deistic or Atheistic. Christianity was never supposed to be strong here. Not the way it's become anyway. Judaism was never supposed to become entrenched here. Christians and Jews certainly, but not their institutions.

Adams and Jefferson had in depth correspondence suggesting they didn't hire Europeans to teach at American schools on the basis that Europeans believed in Christianity instead of Science. America was Secular from day one. Yes the founders believed in a higher power and hoped they were doing the right thing, but they were incredibly skeptical of the control system of religion. That's why the Freemasons founded the country here. A New World Order without all the madness and control of the Old World. An Empire of Liberty and Justice for all. However America has lost touch with our origins.

We need the Secret Societies more than ever. They are the only reason that we were supposed to have a free country. It's anti Masonry that's destroying the country. The Far Right Moral Majority and the Far Left Socialists. We need liberals. Libertarians. The Right has turned Liberal into a dirty word for the Left which was never Liberal and isn't now. Liberalism is about self responsibility and the freedom to make right and wrong decisions and having to live with the consequences of them.

RzaRectum
08-24-2011, 12:29 PM
Wasn't there some eurofag who discovered america before columbus who was called ameriko or some shit like that?

You're thinking about one of the following:

Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian Explorer.
Richard Amerike, a wealthy English merchant of Welsh descent.
Amerrique Mountains, which possibly are also attributed to the namesake of Amerigo.

Edit:

These expeditions became widely known in Europe after two accounts attributed to Vespucci were published between 1502 and 1504. In 1507, Martin Waldseemüller produced a world map on which he named the new continent America after Vespucci's first name, Amerigo. In an accompanying book, Waldseemüller published one of the Vespucci accounts, which led to criticism that Vespucci was trying to upset Christopher Columbus' glory.

However, the rediscovery in the 18th century of other letters by Vespucci, primarily the Soderini Letter, has led to the view that the early published accounts could be fabrications, not by Vespucci, but by others.

Frank Sobotka
08-24-2011, 12:45 PM
You're thinking about one of the following:

Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian Explorer.
Richard Amerike, a wealthy English merchant of Welsh descent.
Amerrique Mountains, which possibly are also attributed to the namesake of Amerigo.

Edit:

These expeditions became widely known in Europe after two accounts attributed to Vespucci were published between 1502 and 1504. In 1507, Martin Waldseemüller produced a world map on which he named the new continent America after Vespucci's first name, Amerigo. In an accompanying book, Waldseemüller published one of the Vespucci accounts, which led to criticism that Vespucci was trying to upset Christopher Columbus' glory.

However, the rediscovery in the 18th century of other letters by Vespucci, primarily the Soderini Letter, has led to the view that the early published accounts could be fabrications, not by Vespucci, but by others.Was reading the exact same piece when I pressed the quote button and saw your edit.

+internets.

Seems more plausible than tracing this back to the knights templars...

RzaRectum
08-24-2011, 11:45 PM
Was reading the exact same piece when I pressed the quote button and saw your edit.

+internets.

Seems more plausible than tracing this back to the knights templars...
How do you know he wasn't a Templar? Christopher Columbus was a member of secret society. Do you think that would be too far fetched?

Uncle Steezo
08-25-2011, 12:05 AM
i thought leif erikson was the first whitey to come to america.

http://www.clccharter.org/donna/ocean%20exploration/Leif%20Ericson/vikingmap.png