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Crackhead Bob
07-20-2011, 05:09 PM
Legendary music, with the same legendary mistakes


Although they didn't come right out and say it, or stamp a number 2 on the package, it is clear by the formula, production, and even the cover art, that Legendary Weapons is indeed the sequel to 2009's mildly successful Chamber Music. Backed once again by the Revelations, Legendary Weapons boasts an ambiance of dark lush overlays melded with crisp live percussion and oddly intriguing samples. There is substance there, much more than the casual listener could pick up. It is in this that Legendary Weapons really shines, the production alone demands multiple listens, which in turn leads to understanding of the lyrics, at times incredibly fun and sometimes potent. That's the good.

Where 'LW' suffers, is in the same way that other recent offerings from the Clan have suffered, and have caused grumblings from the elitist fans, who expect nothing less than Liquid Swords in each and every release. The album is too short. The album feels rushed. The album lacks all the Clan members. The album reuses verses on some tracks, and feels 'cut and pasted' on others. Undoubtedly this will be the bulk of the negative sentiment...and the haters would be right.

That alone however, does not make it a terrible album. Some, if not most, of the mistakes are forgivable, especially to the casual listener. Nitpickers will surely notice Inspectah Deck's reused lyrics from Manifesto's 'Really Real". if they bothered to listen to it, and have already commented about RZA's lack of energy on '225 Rounds'. Oh well. You can't win 'em all. Structurally, 'Weapons' is surely a more cohesive album than it's predecessor, which saw interludes narrated by RZA after each and every track. You got the feeling of "Oh we're doing this again?" after each song was over. 'LW' has a few skits spattered here and there, but none take away from cohesion. It flows smoothly from beginning to almost end, where RZA's solo track is mired by terrible production. If you're making an iTunes playlist, you can delete that track now, unless you like the shrill sound of Casio brass.

As I have always said, Wu-Tang is like a buffet. There is so much, that you can just take what you want and leave the rest. Legendary weapons is no exception to this rule. Some stuff is Alaskan King Crab, and some is crusty three-day-old pudding. It all depends on what you're in the mood for.


Start the Show

An opener is supposed to imbue the overall theme of an album, guiding the listener on a journey to what's to come. Start the Show, while feeling indeed like an opener, doesn't feel like the opener to this album, rather an old school late 80's battle rap album. The lyrics are good, bordering on great, and the Wu-nostalgia is in full effect, but this is way to light and fluffy for what is about to come.

Laced Cheeba

Pure unadulterated nastiness. Laced Cheeba features one of the greatest guest appearances in recent memory thanks to the brash lyrical musings of Sean P. Ghost and Trife are equal to the task and provide equitable backing, but it's Sean P.'s "Everybody get paid, everybody get laid, all these bitches dirty, everybody got AIDS..." line that stands out most on the song, if not the whole album. Overlayed soft percussion with ambient samples makes this sound hard as hell, although on paper, it probably shouldn't.

Diesel Fluid

Say what you want about Trife Diesel, (and most fans do, unfairly) but his punchlines, flow and material are all top notch. It's his nasally high-pitched vocals that are the bane of his existence, and if you can allow yourself to forgive that, what you have is one hell of an entertaining rapper. Method Man and Cappadonna join Trife on Diesel Fluid, a self conscious look at ghetto life from the perspective of both the criminal and the victim. Trife's pitch is tuned down for the hook, which works really well. "My flow be on steroids, that shit that Barry took."

The Black Diamonds

An elegant piano loop and mesmerizing amped up lyrics from Ghost and a newly prison released Killa Sin aren't enough to call this a classic, especially with mush mouth Roc Marciano ruining things on the bridge verse. His verse is barely intelligible and does nothing to bolster the strength of the production and lyrics. If anything, he does the exact opposite.

Legendary Weapons

The title track is legendary. No joke. There is so little going on, and yet, somehow the song never feels empty. From the scratch and paste Premiere-esque bridge, to the oddly addicting vibrating Asian strings, to the Golden era feel of Ghost, AZ, and M.O.P. destroying several bars at a time, Legendary weapons is a song that will grow...and grow...and grow on you, like a fungus.

Never Feel This Pain

Although out of place, and featuring re-used lyrics by Inspectah Deck, Never feel This Pain manages to stand out for it's very Wu-Tang backing samples and smooth hook by Tre Williams. U-God is hilarious at times, especially when he drops his "she says I'm a slob" line.

Drunk Tongue

When fans talk about an album being rushed, and a lack of motivation, it would seem to be tracks like this they are talking about. A Killa Sin platform essentially, the track is a just over two minute solo, with no window dressing what-so-ever. Perhaps it could have used some. We all know Sin spent the last few years behind bars for gun-running, so you could reasonably expect he would have a lot to say. Yet, this feels like a rush out the door freestyle, too plain and too short to be spectacular, as Killa Sin typically is known for.

225 Rounds

One of, if not the best, tracks on the album. Four verses of solid fire, backed by a slightly off key piano riff and blaring trumpets. Cappadonna reminds of Winter Warz, with a verse that seems to go on Ad infinitum, U-God is his recently new fantastic self, Bronze manages to show he can do more than produce, and RZA, well RZA is RZA. Maybe not hyped like a 25 year old, but intelligent and succinct, especially when he spews lines like..."meditating, never jealous, overzealous, Wu-Tang Clan's my fellowship, fans mash up a capellas of our lyrics with Beatle tracks embellishes/ the idea clearer that Wu-tang's forever/ this/ way of life is art rhymes and cleaverness/ enjoined by God, no man could sever this/" If you can find four lines that better simplify the Wu-Tang saga, I'd like to hear 'em.

Meteor Hammer

Unbelievable let down after 225 Rounds. Terminology isn't bad, but Action Bronson is terrible. Thankfully Ghostface saves the introduction, or there would be nothing listenable here. The beat is cartoonish and sloppy, almost like elephants and ants on see-saws...incredibly unbalanced.

Only the Rugged Survive

I want to listen to enjoy RZA's lyrics, but this beat makes it simply impossible. I would be embarrassed to play this in public. Somebody might think I'm strangling a duck.


In terms of comparison, Legendary weapons is a slightly better album than Chamber Music, only because that album is so poorly constructed. Individual tracks slide way in favor of Chamber Music, which managed to string together nothing but bangers or better. Radiant Jewels was one of the best tracks of 2009, and perhaps the title track, Laced Cheeba, or 225 Rounds will be regarded the same way in 2011. 4/5th's of Legendary Weapons is enjoyable. I'll leave it to you, to decide which 5th to dump.

40 total points/10 tracks = 4.0/5

No deductions for skits, which don't bring down the album at all.

dret.izm
07-20-2011, 11:11 PM
horrendously wack review.

you have shitty ears.

Crackhead Bob
07-20-2011, 11:48 PM
Thanks random nobody.

Mista JpKoff
07-21-2011, 03:04 AM
horrendously wack review.

you have shitty ears.

plus one

Konii blaze
07-21-2011, 04:51 PM
plus one

+2

dret.izm
07-22-2011, 02:00 AM
Thanks random nobody.

oh yeah i forgot opinions dont mean shit if you dont spend your life on wu corp.

Crackhead Bob
07-22-2011, 11:31 AM
Perhaps you could go into more detail, rather than just give a vague insult and then leave. I gave the album a 4, I didn't trash it. I was honest with what was wrong and pointed out the things I thought were really good. I get the feeling that all you read was the title, posted that shit and left solely on the basis of my e-reputation. If you have a differing opinion, I'd like to hear it, because I get all the trolling I need in Gen chat. I'm here to debate and recognize the merits and deficiencies of the album.

claaa7
07-22-2011, 11:43 AM
good review B-Rock, i agree with what most of what you said. i for one actually like the RZA track at the end, it's no "NYC Crack" but it's a pretty neat joint anyways.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-22-2011, 12:09 PM
I'd give it a 3.5...it's nice, but it's lacking something both musically (some of the beats are too plain and sound cheesy to me) and in terms of lyrical diversity...i'll need to listen to it more before i can pinpoint where i feel it falters.

love 'black diamonds' though.

Crackhead Bob
07-22-2011, 12:28 PM
I agree with that. But I'll say this, while some of the production sounds cheesy, there are tracks like 225 Rounds, Laced Cheeba, and Legendary Weapons where the production blows me away. Black Diamonds too...that production makes me want to call it a classic, but like I said, I hate Roc Marcy on his verse. I think a lot of people will be scoring it the way you did P. Anybody who has a problem with the brevity of Wu-Massacre or the cut-and-paste feel of Fishscale will inevitably take issue with this album. A few of the guests don't shine, like nearly all did on Chamber Music. It's definitely not perfect.

New Hills 36
07-22-2011, 03:24 PM
^ I think I'll end up liking this more than Chamber. May have listened to this more already. Kind of left me cold did CM - maybe an lp where the whole is less than the parts.Legendary weapons seems much more of a whole. Not a classic but solid. Like the RZA track and Meteor hammer a lot btw - but good review above.

(I've addeed Fresh from the Morgue to it on itunes - fits in well. A bummer that GZA and MK not on the lp though).

morgan
07-22-2011, 05:56 PM
some amazing tracks, verses and beats. well impressed. banger

dret.izm
07-22-2011, 09:33 PM
Perhaps you could go into more detail, rather than just give a vague insult and then leave. I gave the album a 4, I didn't trash it. I was honest with what was wrong and pointed out the things I thought were really good. I get the feeling that all you read was the title, posted that shit and left solely on the basis of my e-reputation. If you have a differing opinion, I'd like to hear it, because I get all the trolling I need in Gen chat. I'm here to debate and recognize the merits and deficiencies of the album.

haha. e-reputation???? the fuck?

i dont give a fuck about "e-reputation" i just didint like your review.

edit: just saw your messages and yes i read your review and yes i have listened to the album.... many times

tekunique
07-22-2011, 09:43 PM
b-rock the wu-review champ at it again lol what up man, been a while yeah ? i will read the review after i listen to the album first. need to burn it and listen in the car on blast.

Crackhead Bob
07-22-2011, 09:54 PM
haha. e-reputation???? the fuck?

i dont give a fuck about "e-reputation" i just didint like your review.

edit: just saw your messages and yes i read your review and yes i have listened to the album.... many times
So what according to you did I get wrong? Care to elaborate?

Mista JpKoff
07-23-2011, 12:51 PM
its not about your opinion on the music
everybody has one and none is less valid than another
its about how you write a review
enumerating "mistakes" and distributing points... none of this is factual yet you write it the same way i correct my students dissertations
music is about what you feel. a music writer works best when he describes what he feels when listening to an album, i dont know, let your mind flow and elaborate, look for the story thats been told through the sequencing of the tracks, the overall sound of the beats, the lyrics.... dont be so narrow minded and look for positive or negative points like a judge, taking it for facts.
writing about music should not be like dissecting a dead animal, thats why i dislike this review, theres no heart in it.

Crackhead Bob
07-23-2011, 01:07 PM
That wasn't the point I was making at all. What you don't seem to understand, is that I try to encapsulate the overall vibe of the fans, I listen to their complaints and take that into account when writing my review. I could sugarcoat it, and tell how sweet and happy that makes me feel, but that wouldn't be exactly analytical, would it? Every single other person who does reviews on this site, goes on ad nauseum about their feelings. That's what makes me different. I strive to give facts about the album, and the overall mood of the fans. It is what it is.

That said, you coming in here and judging me and not the album itself is a complete waste of time and energy on your part. My review isn't what's important, the music is. And not only did you give no explanation as to why you thought my review sucked, you didn't say a single word about the album.

^^^You write that mess and claim to correct "your" students dissertations? Ok. Now it's clear who I'm dealing with.

Mista JpKoff
07-25-2011, 07:02 AM
but that wouldn't be exactly analytical, would it?
yeah that was my point, it AINT supposed to be analytical

That said, you coming in here and judging me and not the album itself is a complete waste of time and energy on your part
yeah thats true, i shouldnt have bothered

i cant speak about the album since i have yet to listen to it front to back. i came in this thread looking for a global summary of what to expect from it, and thats not what i got, period. anyway nothing personal, thats usually the case with most hiphop reviews i read here and there, subpar stuff which is not moving me towards buying an album or not.
to me writing about art should be an art itself, guess im too demanding

^^^You write that mess and claim to correct "your" students dissertations? Ok. Now it's clear who I'm dealing with.
english is not even my native language and im not here to display some pedantic writing

Crackhead Bob
07-25-2011, 08:26 AM
Let me tell you something, "expressing feelings" is why the rest of the world hates the French, so on behalf of the the 6 billion of us, go fuck yourself Frog...nothing personal of course.

Dr. Simon Hurt
07-25-2011, 08:53 AM
The best reviews for me are somewhere between an overly analytical and technical approach and one that takes into account the reviewer's individual emotional response to the work...whether it's films, music, whatever...ultimately, your enjoyment art is about how you respond to it emotionally. there are bands that I know are technically good and skilled as far as arrangments and time signatures and shit, but I don't "feel them", so they suck to me.

That's why some of the best reviewers will use an anecdote or something at the beggining of the review explicating their relationship with the material (or their perception band or its history) so that you have an idea of their biases. Then they give a detailed analysis within that framework, so that the reader can make a judgment.

Mista JpKoff
07-25-2011, 10:55 AM
Let me tell you something, "expressing feelings" is why the rest of the world hates the French, so on behalf of the the 6 billion of us, go fuck yourself Frog...nothing personal of course.
oh yeah
who cosigns this?

8
07-25-2011, 05:59 PM
I fuckin' love this album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 4.5/5 for me. Never Feel This Pain is my favourite and 1 of the greatest songs of this year, period. I'm havin' goose-bumps first time since a long time listenin' to new Wu music again <------ the greatest recommendation and hightened expectations for future Wu albums. SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u pussys:*

8
07-25-2011, 06:47 PM
Am i trippin' or do i hear a replayed version of the "Riders On The Storm" by The Doors melody in "Never Feel This Pain"?

RynMur
07-25-2011, 09:12 PM
felt the production was lacking

Reccollectah
07-26-2011, 07:13 AM
http://www.wu-international.com/misc_albums/Reviews/WuTang_LegendaryWeaponsPrv.htm

ShaDynasty
07-26-2011, 07:26 AM
yeah that was my point, it AINT supposed to be analytical

a music review? Not posed to be analytical?! Why even bother writing a review then? Just smoke some crack and jump around in the air like a 5 year old instead.

Actually a decent review Brock.

Socrates92
07-27-2011, 06:49 PM
let me tell you something, "expressing feelings" is why the rest of the world hates the french, so on behalf of the the 6 billion of us, go fuck yourself frog...nothing personal of course.

lol

duotone
07-31-2011, 04:24 AM
Let me tell you something, "expressing feelings" is why the rest of the world hates the French, so on behalf of the the 6 billion of us, go fuck yourself Frog...nothing personal of course.
haha...
i feel like america hates every other country in the world...
the most arrogant country in the world...
but now...
they are broke...
and in a few years they come across the atlanitic ocean on theirs knees and beg (europe) for some money...

i heard on the radio, that some states claim $20 admission to get in jail...

ridicolous...

dont get me wrong...
i dont hate america...
but i hate to be hated...

btw... i read the review...
its nice...
but i didnt list to the album yet...
its not out in europe... (aug.5th) and i dont dl illegal shit...

tekunique
07-31-2011, 05:36 PM
been listening to it in the car from beg. to end lately and its def. a good album. nowhere near a classic but i appreciate wu and their a-alikes still puttting out real hip hop music in the days where hop has turned to pop.

sean price stands out for me with his 'mad' flow. it was ill to see and hear killa sin on a track by himself, def. deserved it as he just came home. never was really a trife fan but his contribution was enuff to not have the product tip over.

im rarely dissapointed in ghost and his verses once again delivered. rza was on point too specially lyrically. was feelin deck & uey's joint it was a nice surprise to hear deck get on for a 2nd verse.

those are my thoughts after about 3 plays straight thru of course shit can change in the [near] future.

i voted = banga

Holocaust
08-09-2011, 12:30 AM
I'd rate it the same as shaolin vs wutang, couldve used more meth although

Creepshow
08-09-2011, 08:20 PM
You know, at first I wasn't feeling the first couple leaks but after hearing the actual album, I actually like this little project. Production was simple and I think that's what I like.

Not too bad.

pmack215
08-13-2011, 09:19 PM
i really like this joint a lot!!! my only beef is its too short, but not expecting it to sell well, i understand they wont overload it with material for no payoff.

production is very nice & more minimalistic than chamber music. anyone notice the harder drums on this 2nd volume?

GFK is unbelievable!!!! he shreds every joint he's on here! since rza was at the helm, does this mean GFK is on better terms w/ rza now...since GFK is on so many tracks?
"....like a gusher, its wutang mothafucka!!!!!!"

killa sin = HO-LEE FUKK!!!!! god damn he rips this shit to pieces! 'drunk tongue' just about gets my dick hard.
man, how about a collabo album btwn killa sin, INS, & rev burk? WOW!!

i actually like "only the rugged survive" a lot, including the beat!! its fucking dope!! there isnt much story-telling rza anymore.

i dont understand how bronson & term make this album. what wu relationships do they have???? nobody else deserved it?

it seems like there was less cohesion on this joint, compared to the first volume. seems like the MCs were together on this first (whether they were or not), but i didnt get that sense on this one.

"...aint a damn thing changed, say the name bitch, WUTANG!!!"
- killa sin

i'll give it a 4/5

Jdrizzle
08-13-2011, 11:35 PM
Great Album very catchy got me hooked after the first few tracks, Diesel Fluid / Black Diamonds and Legendary Weapons. All Bangers.
(Y) (Y) (Y) (Y) (Y)

Jin10304
08-15-2011, 03:22 PM
"since rza was at the helm, does this mean GFK is on better terms w/ rza now...since GFK is on so many tracks?"

Not really, technically speaking GFK was on 3 outta 8 songs on CM (making that half the album). Ghost is only on 4 songs here outta 11

duotone
08-15-2011, 06:28 PM
yeah but rza produced wu block for ghosts next lp...
and rza is the husband of ghosts sister...
so they are kind of "real" famaly...
i think they are cool again...
they can split business and private...

Don Universo
08-17-2011, 08:00 PM
3.75/5 Not quite a banger but its just as good as CM and a notch below massacre.

Jin10304
08-17-2011, 08:50 PM
Above Massacre but tied with CM

8
08-18-2011, 05:07 PM
CM bored me, this: absolutely not. Reason: better production.

jsofunky
08-19-2011, 11:37 AM
killasin fts makes dis a classik

Holocaust
08-21-2011, 10:08 PM
the only thing weak about this album is trife diesel

Holocaust
08-21-2011, 10:10 PM
pmack's review is on point

8
08-22-2011, 01:04 AM
the only thing weak about this album is trife diesel
LMFAO WHAT!?!?!?!? u nillaz is crazy.

Damon
08-22-2011, 06:32 AM
the only thing weak about this album is trife diesel

lol....you obviously have no idea what your talking about.

Leave immediately.

Damon
08-22-2011, 06:35 AM
I'd rate it the same as shaolin vs wutang

lol........please stop, your killing me

Hollow Dartz
08-22-2011, 04:17 PM
i'm feeling this more than chambermusic

TAURO
08-22-2011, 04:54 PM
I still need to get around to picking this up.

GRANDMASSIVE.
09-02-2011, 07:06 PM
This album is fire, alot funky and hard beats on there. Ugod rips 225 rounds & Sin spits butane. The last Bobby Steels track is my fav.

full_clip
09-23-2011, 07:02 AM
how can someone really dislike "drunk tongue", that's my fav track on the joint! b-rock u'r a lil bitch if u don't get the roughness of that track. i love how sin is spittin raw fire on that thang..p

Freak
09-25-2011, 01:30 AM
Why the hate on Trife???

Crackhead Bob
09-25-2011, 07:21 AM
how can someone really dislike "drunk tongue", that's my fav track on the joint! b-rock u'r a lil bitch if u don't get the roughness of that track. i love how sin is spittin raw fire on that thang..p
Hey moron, I gave it 4/5. Learn how to read.

8
09-26-2011, 03:00 PM
Why the hate on Trife???
Fuck'em. Dude's rippin' since 2001.

Cheeseface Killah
10-13-2011, 02:53 PM
The review in the OP is pretty good but how you gon' hate on Roc Marcy's verse?? one of my favorites on this disk

Jin10304
10-13-2011, 11:47 PM
"k'em. Dude's rippin' since 2001."

I think hes on Manchild from 1999 actually

tekunique
10-17-2011, 09:17 PM
"k'em. Dude's rippin' since 2001."

i think hes on manchild from 1999 actually

lol