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the silencer
09-18-2011, 01:23 PM
i like Apollo Brown's music, the Gas Mask album was off the hook no doubt...


but this kinda shit seems shady as fuck to me and i gotta call a spade a spade...


first off, for those that don't know, Apollo Brown was once known as "Cheehf" a member of the Wisemen and learned everything about producing from Bronze Nazareth..
from my interview (http://www.abuildingroam.com/2010/11/interview-building-with-wisemen-bronze.html) with Bronze/K7 last year:


Bronze: As far as Apollo Brown, I taught him how to make beats, chop samples, pull out the basslines, etc. I gave him his very first program to make beats with, gave him the cool edit program he still uses to make beats with. I’m pretty sure he made the Gas Mask album with that program. He was once one of the Wisemen, back in the beginnings of Black Day and Wisemen Approaching but some ill things happened and we fell out. We’ve been reconnecting as of late, so look for some records in the future from us. He’s doing his thing and I wish that brother the best of luck. Oh, he did that Waters of Nazareth joint from back before The Great Migration too.it's funny cuz Apollo Brown never mentions that Bronze taught him everything about producing other than showing in his bio "high school classmate of Bronze Nazareth"

no doubt the dude has taken the lessons and become a really dope producer.... before the Apollo Brown days, he did this classic joint for Kevlaar:

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anyways, i wonder if part of their "falling out" was Apollo having a tendency to blatantly bite from his teacher, cuz this shit just don't look good...

check it:

Why Me (Tears) prod by Bronze Nazareth
http://www.mediafire.com/?33rn3mc1f7fo7hc

Hassan Mackey & Apollo Brown - The Note
http://beastshare.com/6prm7coy0cxy



it's one thing to use the same sample for a beat, happens ALL the time...i remember hearing joints where 4th Disciple used a sample that Rza had previously perfected... but he would make a DIFFERENT beat


they've got similar styles (cuz Bronze showed him the ropes) and it's expected that they'll use the same samples occasionally but Brown takes the same joint and uses the same EXACT bars, essentially making the SAME BEAT with his own drum loop...

i dono, looks pretty shady to me, all things considered

JASPER
09-18-2011, 01:38 PM
The beats are very similar, because of the sample. There's still differences, apart from the drums. Bronze version has more vocal chops in them, but I prefer Apollos version because of the simple hard hitting drums.

I wouldn't say he stole from Bronze, but it's kind of sketchy to use the same sample as the person who taught you to make beats.

Mic Tyson
09-18-2011, 01:56 PM
wow i didn't even know that apollo brown was in wisemen. they do have a similar style

claaa7
09-18-2011, 03:20 PM
great thread Silencer... i always thought that Bronze Nazareth and Apollo Brown had very, very, very similiar styles to eachother. thx for enlighting me on that, i had no clue he was once in the Wisemen and learned some things from Bronze. there's of course always two sides of every story and maybe Apollo sees it completely different.

i recently did a Detroit Producers series with compilations for Apollo Brown, Bronze Nazareth and Black Milk and the king is coming soon. check them out @ my blog if you haven't already, of course no album tracks from the artist allowed

JASPER BEARDLY
09-19-2011, 08:46 PM
the king is coming soon?? haha

the silencer
09-19-2011, 11:37 PM
great thread Silencer... i always thought that Bronze Nazareth and Apollo Brown had very, very, very similiar styles to eachother. thx for enlighting me on that, i had no clue he was once in the Wisemen and learned some things from Bronze. there's of course always two sides of every story and maybe Apollo sees it completely different.

i recently did a Detroit Producers series with compilations for Apollo Brown, Bronze Nazareth and Black Milk and the king is coming soon. check them out @ my blog if you haven't already, of course no album tracks from the artist allowed
Thanks, I'll peep that... Black Milk got heat too


I definitely like what u got going on over at your blog, keep it up

MaskedAvenger
09-20-2011, 01:37 AM
I been liking everything Apollo been dropping last year or two but i didn't know he used to fuck with Bronze either.

claaa7
09-20-2011, 06:33 AM
the king is coming soon?? haha

haha, translation "Dilla comp is coming soon" - i actually just uploaded the Dilla comp a few minutes ago

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
09-20-2011, 06:47 AM
by far love black milk, bronze and dilla and all have distinct sounds but dilla is the foundation of the d sound

laolu
04-24-2012, 04:53 PM
Bump...

JASPER BEARDLY
04-24-2012, 05:01 PM
apollo and black milk holdin the d down the most of all i think

no disrespect to bronze, he's dope as hell, but he doesn't have drums like them. besides that I wouldn't say they're that much better... just seems they mix n master their shit a little cleaner as well

Tecknowledgist
04-24-2012, 05:09 PM
it's 100% disturbing how obsessed the thread-starter is with Bronze Nazareth

being a fan is one thing, but taking hours to write reviews on every song on every album he's ever done, knowing every little detail about his life and upcoming projects, and now attacking one of his former students who's getting his OWN shine...

like angry said, i can see you sitting sandwiched between Bronze and Kevlaar in a sweaty tour-van giving interviews with a great big smile, ecstatic that the god Bronze is sweating on you

no hate to you or Bronze Naz, it's just creepy lol

laolu
04-24-2012, 05:24 PM
apollo and black milk holdin the d down the most of all i think

no disrespect to bronze, he's dope as hell, but he doesn't have drums like them. besides that I wouldn't say they're that much better... just seems they mix n master their shit a little cleaner as well

With all due respect, Bronze has better drums than Apollo Brown...

In terms of production (as of late) Black Milk > Apollo Brown > Bronze Nazareth.


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CEITEDMOFO
04-24-2012, 05:29 PM
i like Apollo Brown's music, the Gas Mask album was off the hook no doubt...


but this kinda shit seems shady as fuck to me and i gotta call a spade a spade...


first off, for those that don't know, Apollo Brown was once known as "Cheehf" a member of the Wisemen and learned everything about producing from Bronze Nazareth..

EHHH APOLLO ALREADY WINS CAUSE HES BLACK AND BRONZ WANTS TO BE BLACK /THREAd

ShaDynasty
04-24-2012, 05:37 PM
when you focus on things like this you lose sight of the big picture, such as bronze nazareth makes great records, hes an all rounder.

apollo is full time on beats and yeah hes dope but 95% of his beats sound real similar, bronze can at least switch up when he wants, you rarely hear an apollo brown beat that doesn't have the exact same rhythm. hes only been working for a few years and already i know what one of his beats is gonna sound like before i push play.

RUSHING PLATYPUS
04-24-2012, 05:58 PM
when you focus on things like this you lose sight of the big picture, such as bronze nazareth makes great records, hes an all rounder.

apollo is full time on beats and yeah hes dope but 95% of his beats sound real similar, bronze can at least switch up when he wants, you rarely hear an apollo brown beat that doesn't have the exact same rhythm. hes only been working for a few years and already i know what one of his beats is gonna sound like before i push play.

This!!!!!!!! Apollo Brown's beats are almost all too much alike for me. I find myself listening to each track like "Really? Again?"

laolu
04-24-2012, 06:00 PM
This!!!!!!!! Apollo Brown's beats are almost all too much alike for me. I find myself listening to each track like "Really? Again?"

You are not listening, you are hearing...

RUSHING PLATYPUS
04-24-2012, 06:05 PM
You are not listening, you are hearing...

No disrespect but gtfoh with that bullshit please.

laolu
04-24-2012, 06:09 PM
No disrespect but gtfoh with that bullshit please.

Tell 'em why you are mad bro.

Origin™
04-25-2012, 03:21 PM
Bronze is dope, apollo is dope, simple

THE MASON
04-25-2012, 05:18 PM
^exacty that

Jin10304
04-25-2012, 06:48 PM
"but he doesn't have drums like them"

HUH? Have u heard "High Ranking" or even "Role Of Life"?

Jin10304
04-25-2012, 06:50 PM
Ive been hearing Apollo is like a Detroit version of 9th Wonder

JASPER BEARDLY
04-25-2012, 06:53 PM
high ranking is dope

here's the thing tho one song does not make a catalogue

i like bronze i think he's one of the illest producers out

and i don't typically say shit like this but the way he masters his drums or whatever you want to call it, they don't snap. they don't sound that great.

that's the only thing i have to say that'd put him down whatsoever.

CEITEDMOFO
04-25-2012, 06:54 PM
APOLLO AND BRONZ BOTH SUCK COCK COMPARED TO THE ALCHEMIST U BITCH ASS NIgGAZ
*BUMPS THE NEW GANGRENE

BRONZBODY
04-25-2012, 10:07 PM
bronze is dope, apollo is dope, simple
this right fuckin here....

Park
02-01-2013, 01:43 AM
EHHH APOLLO ALREADY WINS CAUSE HES BLACK AND BRONZ WANTS TO BE BLACK /THREAd

Bronze is Black sir. Pretty sure I read that both Apollo & Bronze N are Bi-Racial, Black/White.

Park
02-01-2013, 01:45 AM
Uh Oh.Think the threadstarter was right. Saw this in another thread about Apollo Brown and had to add on to this one. We were talking about DICE GAME and this post by Jin10304 came up:


Originally Posted by Jin10304
damn this man either loves to sample the same shit as Bronze or just paying homage to him. I recognize "Truth b Told" & "Potatoes" as Bronze's "Love Burns" & "MOAN" both from 60 Sec's LP


2 samples same as 2 samples from another album. Hmmmm.

Actually 3, I caught this too:

Apollo & Guilty The CookUp: http://mellomusicgroup.bandcamp.com/track/the-cook-up

Copywrite (Prod by Bronze Nazareth) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=oRu6dPjxj4U

Then he uses the cream sample, D'evils, & Marcy samples. Sketchy for sure. Some unoriginal moves by Mr Brown.

Then I thought this: Bronze (color) Nazareth (place) Apollo (place) Brown (color)

Huh.