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Big Smokes
07-11-2012, 08:16 AM
peace yall

this is a thought that came to mind after listening to Nas ether song where he made reference to Beanie Sigel (Jay's potege) being better than Joe Camel himself

in your own opinion is there anyone you feel outshines there teacher


feel free to give examples

Apocalypse
07-11-2012, 08:32 AM
I dont like Jay-Z that much, but he is clearly better than Jaz-O

Big Smokes
07-11-2012, 08:34 AM
you think so but didnt Jay patent hisself after Jaz-o with that fast rapping shit

Apocalypse
07-11-2012, 09:00 AM
you think so but didnt Jay patent hisself after Jaz-o with that fast rapping shit

well, he at least is more successful.

and if Jaz-O was that good why didnt he proceded with his career?

KATO
07-11-2012, 09:20 AM
I always personally felt Snoop was a better MC than Dre, at least in the old days.

I always preferred Doggystyle over the Chronic, but both albums are dope.

fatboybrandon
07-11-2012, 10:05 AM
Tha Alkaholiks > King Tee
Wu Tang Clan > Jackpot Scotty Wotty
Pete Rock > Eddie F
Jay-Z > Jaz-O
Kanye West > No I.D. & Deric D Dot
DJ Premier > King Of Chill

Apocalypse
07-11-2012, 10:28 AM
I always personally felt Snoop was a better MC than Dre, at least in the old days.

I always preferred Doggystyle over the Chronic, but both albums are dope.

well, I think that comparison cant be made, because one is famous for being a MC, another is famous for being a producer...its true that there would be no Snoop without Dre, but its a different thing, the closest thing to a Snoop Dogg protector is 2 Pac.

another one is, Cypress Hill might be really sucessful, but Alchemist has really surpassed Muggs imo.

Big Smokes
07-11-2012, 11:00 AM
Tha Alkaholiks > King Tee
Wu Tang Clan > Jackpot Scotty Wotty
Pete Rock > Eddie F
Jay-Z > Jaz-O
Kanye West > No I.D. & Deric D Dot
DJ Premier > King Of Chill

Tash is ill from the alkaholiks sad he didnt have a better solo career

Pattch82
07-11-2012, 04:14 PM
well, I think that comparison cant be made, because one is famous for being a MC, another is famous for being a producer...its true that there would be no Snoop without Dre, but its a different thing, the closest thing to a Snoop Dogg protector is 2 Pac.

another one is, Cypress Hill might be really sucessful, but Alchemist has really surpassed Muggs imo.


Totally disagree with the Muggs/Alchemist part.

ALC is hot to def no doubt but he makes hot tracks... Muggs makes hot albums! ALC, especially on his own albums, never comes through IMO. Chemical Warfare had some hot tracks but all in all I was disappointed. And Russian Roulette, part Hip-Hop album, part 80's movie score?!! No thanks!

Muggs idea of running with one MC for an album has made for four classics so far, and no doubt more on the way after he gets this Dubstep/Hip-Hop fusion album outta the way.

Muggs >>>>>> ALC

But ALC is still bangin, especially the Gangrene joints.



Peace!

THE MASON
07-11-2012, 04:24 PM
ya, Alc isnt better then Muggs imo.

Brandon broke it down rather well.

lately, i been liking Apollo Brown beats more then Bronze Naz, if that counts as a teacher/student thing.

CEITEDMOFO
07-11-2012, 04:32 PM
well, he at least is more successful.

and if Jaz-O was that good why didnt he proceded with his career?

JAZ-0 IS STILL BETTER THAN JAY-Z AND BEANIE SIEGAL SMH
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ALC SUPRASSED WACK ASS DJ MUGGS

MUGGS AND RZA GETS NO RESPECT CAUSE THEY CANT MAKE ENTIRE DOPE ALBUMS LIKE THEY USED To FUCK THEM AND THERE PUSSY FANS

AS FOR THIS STUPID THREAD

BIG L & O.C.> LORD FINESSE

Pattch82
07-11-2012, 04:41 PM
^^^^ But ALC can't make entire dope albums either! And Muggs did Kill Devil Hills just over a year and a half ago!! The guy drops one or two dubstep tracks and you write him off after a 20 year career?!! GTFOH!!

I'm a big ALC fan, dude is dropping some nice shit, but he aint on the same level as Muggs. Just wait til Muggs gets back on his Hip-Hop shit, if Muggs' next Hip-Hop album is anything less than classic I'll eat my words!

I'm waiting on the ALC/Action Bronson album to drop, see how ALC handles an album with one MC......



Peace!

Rame
07-11-2012, 04:44 PM
Everyone > Dre

PANDA PISS
07-11-2012, 04:47 PM
roc marc>>>busta

check two
07-11-2012, 05:11 PM
jay-z's flow was better back then, until he went to his current flow which seems like he's falling asleep.

drippie k
07-11-2012, 07:28 PM
Aaand no one's mentioned big pun being lightyears ahead of fat joe's stupid ass?

CEITEDMOFO
07-11-2012, 07:35 PM
^^^^ But ALC can't make entire dope albums either! And Muggs did Kill Devil Hills just over a year and a half ago!! !

ALC CUTTING ROOM FLOOR MIXTAPES AND CURRENCYS PROJECT>>> WACK ASS MUGGS VS SERIES FUCK OUTTA HERE BiTCH

U WOULDNT LIKE THE RUSSIAN ROULETE SAMPLES CAUSE U HANG WITH NO REAL PRODUCERS U FAGGIT SCOTTISH VIRGIN :loser:

EURO FAGGIT DONT KNO ABOUT ROCkY
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Apocalypse
07-12-2012, 01:03 AM
ALC cant lace an entire LP? Return Of The Mac?

Pattch82
07-12-2012, 03:00 AM
ALC CUTTING ROOM FLOOR MIXTAPES AND CURRENCYS PROJECT>>> WACK ASS MUGGS VS SERIES FUCK OUTTA HERE BiTCH

U WOULDNT LIKE THE RUSSIAN ROULETE SAMPLES CAUSE U HANG WITH NO REAL PRODUCERS U FAGGIT SCOTTISH VIRGIN :loser:

EURO FAGGIT DONT KNO ABOUT ROCkY
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Seriously...?!! The Cutting Room Floor Mixtapes arent fuckin' albums, they're tracks that ALC has laced here, there and everywhere that have been compiled for mixtapes. He didnt go in the studio to make all of those tracks with the intention of them ending up on a "Cutting Room Floor" mixtape!

And Currency's mixtape was ok, nothing amazing!!

I don't even know why I'm arguing with you... I know that you live for this 'disagreeing with every other poster' shit!!!

And I know enough about Rocky to know I dont wanna hear that shit on my Hip-Hop records!

Legend Of The Mask & The Assassin >>>>>>> Anything ALC has ever touched!!!


Peace!

Pattch82
07-12-2012, 03:05 AM
ALC cant lace an entire LP? Return Of The Mac?

I'll give you that one... I prefer ALC's beats on HNIC2. but Return Of The Mac was ill too.

Still ain't on Muggs' level though. The first two Soul Assassins albums and the Vs. Series are classics, especially The Legend Of The Mask & The Assassin.



Peace!

CEITEDMOFO
07-12-2012, 06:48 AM
Legend Of The Mask & The Assassin >>>>>>> Anything ALC has ever touched!!!



WAcK

I RATHER HEAR FASHAWnS ALCHEMIST MIXTAPE THAN A MEXICAN WIT NO EYEBROWS, IF YOUR GONNA BIG UP MUGGS SAY ONE OF HIS PROJECTS WHEN HE ACTUALLY GOOD LIKE TEMPLES OF BOOM OR FUNKDOOBIEST NOT NO WACK 2000 SHIT U FAGGIT :loser:

Big Smokes
07-12-2012, 09:00 AM
Aaand no one's mentioned big pun being lightyears ahead of fat joe's stupid ass?

i agree with this

fatboybrandon
07-12-2012, 09:46 AM
i agree with this

But would you actually consider Fat Joe a "teacher" of Pun as this thread's subject is based on? If anything it should be the other way around, Fat Joe only put Pun on as an artist to Loud records but in the end Pun taught Fat Joe how to rhyme better.

Jin10304
07-12-2012, 09:46 AM
Post-2000 Muggs is still fire with or without Cypress

Apocalypse
07-12-2012, 01:11 PM
WAcK

I RATHER HEAR FASHAWnS ALCHEMIST MIXTAPE THAN A MEXICAN WIT NO EYEBROWS, IF YOUR GONNA BIG UP MUGGS SAY ONE OF HIS PROJECTS WHEN HE ACTUALLY GOOD LIKE TEMPLES OF BOOM OR FUNKDOOBIEST NOT NO WACK 2000 SHIT U FAGGIT :loser:

dude, you are crazy!

Sick Jacken is SICK!

Shadow Demon
07-12-2012, 01:52 PM
lol ceitedmofo why u acting like Muggs vs series isnt greater than full Alchemist projects
lol at posting what is more a less a straight instrumental sample of Alchemists 'brilliance' post a real song

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CLASSIC sean p verse over a gutter beat
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Alc is a talented producer but he knows his influences, when he looks in the mirror he wishes he was muggs. Plus alc likes to use gay intros so im left waiting for the beat to drop

Shadow Demon
07-12-2012, 01:56 PM
btw cutting room floor 2 had some gay ass beats i havent listened to the first

mr pitiful 2010 sounds like a soft fart


die another day- lol @ lacing lack of sleep P with a gay 70' beat (obviously this was before Alc found return of the mac samples)

CEITEDMOFO
07-12-2012, 08:21 PM
lol ceitedmofo why u acting like Muggs vs series isnt greater than full Alchemist projects
lol at posting what is more a less a straight instrumental sample of Alchemists 'brilliance' post a real song

Kpuok1KKOG4
fUWZ7Rt57I8
nl5UxwXx6uo&feature=related

CLASSIC sean p verse over a gutter beat
avFowtyGYy8

yae6_RB9eLo&feature=related

Alc is a talented producer but he knows his influences, when he looks in the mirror he wishes he was muggs. Plus alc likes to use gay intros so im left waiting for the beat to drop

THOSE BEATS ARE A SNOOZE FEST BORING, THE LAST ONE MIGHT BE GOOD IN A RIDE, BUT THE FIRST VIDS ARE TOO SIMPLE

ALC>>>>

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^ THAT BEAT IS A OPUS, IF YOUR GONNA HAVE A LOOP BEAT U BETTER BE OLD RZA OR OLD AND NEW PRiMO

YOU FAGGITS DONT KNO SHIT ABOUT PRODUCTION, THIS FORUM DOESNT EVEN KNOW THAT THE BEATMINERZ GAVE THE FIRST BOOTCAMP CLIK ALBUMS CLASSICS, THE ONLY SHIT THIS FORUM KNOWS IS WU TANG AND WU SYNDICATE

Shadow Demon
07-13-2012, 05:58 AM
u messed up with the fabolous beat tho;/

Beatminerz are in my top 5 producers alongside Rza, Premo, Stoupe and 4th.

they fell the fuck off post 1990's, and the the 2000's BCC group albums had some nice beats but no real hard shit which sucked