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RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 09:18 PM
ya know

its funny these days when i meet a girl and we get to talking and the convo goes all smooth and shit then she asks me if i have kids and i say i got none,the shock that overcomes em is quite amazing and they always think im lying because most dudes my age have got kids(and im in my mid 20s by the way),and in all actuality,thats something thats very common around here,even cats way younger than me are being called daddy and its like a normal thing and shit,its almost as if im the odd one out anytime i tell chicks i aint got no seed or whatever,

is this what the world has come to??it seems like once cats start growing pubic hair and little facial hair,they think they can take the role of being dad and all that shit,funny thing is ,when it actually happens,most of em punk out and expect the next man to carry their burden and shit...

discuss...

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
11-02-2005, 09:22 PM
..................i think i have a kid coming soon LOL not sure but hehe yeah

Big Risk
11-02-2005, 09:23 PM
^ damn man, 17 years old? gonna fuck up ya life man

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
11-02-2005, 09:25 PM
:lmao: ...........i will know concretely in about 1 month

Big Risk
11-02-2005, 09:25 PM
LOL youre laughing about it. Well, thats good atleast. Peace

kid cal
11-02-2005, 09:26 PM
i think that this issue will only become worse, the decline in age of people having sex gets lower and lower; but it's not just up to the men (or boys?) to do their part, women are at fault too. i lost my virginity at 16 and i thought that was young until i knew kids that lost it at 12.

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
11-02-2005, 09:27 PM
well i don't think it will ruin my life, i'm not one to run from any situation...i know that i'm gonna have to get some help with this shit but......i'm not gonna bail on the kid no matter what

kid cal
11-02-2005, 09:34 PM
well at least you're taking responsibility for where you busted your nut; otherwise that chick would have to fuck some dude right quick so she could scream it was his.

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 09:43 PM
^^^HAHA/

damn you chicks can be scandalous at times yo

kid cal
11-02-2005, 09:44 PM
no i think it's just me. :( haha

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 09:45 PM
lmao

MaShPG
11-02-2005, 09:55 PM
that's why u gotta wear a jimmy hat. it ain't even worth the risk.

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
11-02-2005, 09:59 PM
that's why u gotta wear a jimmy hat. it ain't even worth the risk.:lmao: :$ didn't even feel the shit to the second nut...i was like "ohh fuck no"


LMAO naw but really i'm not sure i will see in a month but ohh well either way i'm prepared

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 10:09 PM
im like in my mid 20s,holding down a job,my own money,my own place,preety interesting life with alotta oportunities and i still aint ready for a kid man...let me put it to you like this,i done seen peeps with kids and shit and its not funny at all..and im not to tolerant of kids and shit so thats not another story

kid cal
11-02-2005, 10:12 PM
shit if i were to get pregnant right now i'd consider my life ruined. a couple months ago i thought i may be pregnant, and all these thoughts came rushing at me at once, and when i flipped my shit i think that was one of the most terrible hours i've had in a while.

i can't even imagine what it's like for those girls that it really does happen to...

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
11-02-2005, 10:15 PM
.................ya'll makin me feel bad LOL

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 10:18 PM
trust me,its not even funny,i know this one girl,shes like 21 with 4 kids and boy o boy,does she see hell,she literally cries everyday cause every penny she earns goes to them kids,sometimes she cant even pay her rent and aint no one helping her cause her fam disowned her and shit...her life is preety fucked up,shit she cant even spend money on herself

whats worse is them kids are bad as hell and very rude and sometimes call her names after all the suffering she is going thru for them

i do regret some shit i said to her once when we had a little disagreement,i told her

"if u didnt spread ya legs so much,your life wouldnt be such a mess,right now,you're a loser"

harsh but sometimes the truth hurts

feel me?

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
11-02-2005, 10:19 PM
lol word i understand

but fuck if i do have a kid i will support it and won't abandon it that's something that i will never do

kid cal
11-02-2005, 10:20 PM
.................ya'll makin me feel bad LOL
not tryin' to make you feel bad, like i said, at least you're taking responsibility; that's bein' a man.

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 10:23 PM
lol word i understand

but fuck if i do have a kid i will support it and won't abandon it that's something that i will never do
well remember this...supporting the kid just doesnt mean paying up the money,it means you gotta support physcally and mentally,in other words,theres more to the role than just paying a certain fee every month,if you really wanna do the right thing,BE THERE,play a major part in the childs life and groom em to be good peeps in society..but then again,i forgot,the world today is so fucked up,its the last place u wanna raise a kid..all i see is future demons being raised and shit when i see how kids is being raised and how bad things done become

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
11-02-2005, 10:27 PM
word word.....me and the girl are still together tho so ehh i actually do have feelings for her

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 10:28 PM
thats good shit man

good luck with that....

kid cal
11-02-2005, 10:28 PM
well remember this...supporting the kid just doesnt mean paying up the money,it means you gotta support physcally and mentally,in other words,theres more to the role than just paying a certain fee every month,if you really wanna do the right thing,BE THERE,play a major part in the childs life and groom em to be good peeps in society..but then again,i forgot,the world today is so fucked up,its the last place u wanna raise a kid..all i see is future demons being raised and shit when i see how kids is being raised and how bad things done become
part of the reason i'm never having kids.

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 10:29 PM
ill drink to that

Sun Tzu, Tha Soul Controllah
11-02-2005, 10:29 PM
thats good shit man

good luck with that....
no doubt god whatever goes down i'm ready for that

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 10:32 PM
is it wrong that half the time im usually iriitated by kids,especially when they cry and shit??

i mean Damn

SHUT THA FUCK UP LOL

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 10:43 PM
yea man,its like some of these peeps dont even care...ive seen girls actually fuck a dude for the 1st time without a condom and he suggested they dont use one and she just lays there like a sac of beans and says "ok boo,lets get it over with"

buncha dumb bitches mayne

LORD ZERO
11-02-2005, 10:47 PM
One of the girls at my job just had an "oops" baby (on Oct 29th). When she told everyone she was pregnant I had to stop myself from blurting out "well are you gonna keep it?". A few weeks ago she was getting really down because he hasn't given her a ring. We were just talking and she was all depressed, semi-joking that I'd be "her second option, right?" All I could think was "awkwarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd" and smile and agree and visuallize some pregant porn :=))

Then last week a different girl took the week off to get an abortion. She was so nonchalant about it that it really lowered my opinion of her, stupid bitch.

Neither of them have reached 20
damn, dats some insane shit, and big ups to tzu possibly being a future father yo, and grave i feel ya, i aint too tolerant of kidz, and not ready for one either, existence is stress enough 4 me right now, dats word, but im merely another LONG story lol back to da convo

LORD ZERO
11-02-2005, 10:51 PM
is it wrong that half the time im usually iriitated by kids,especially when they cry and shit??

i mean Damn

SHUT THA FUCK UP LOLwelcome to my world grave........lol w/ my 4 yr old great nephew im the EXACT same way........but cant see myself whoopin em when he gets outta line.........lol

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 10:51 PM
word ma nigga

ya know what just hit me

last week,i was over at my boys crib and they brought this one drunk harlot they found in the club,it was like 7 niggaz and shit,and im talking 7 BIG NIGGAZ,now imagine niggaz bigger than me and shit,anyways...they spit game at this bitch and the dumb harlot agrees to let em run a train on her,let me tell you man,niggaz was goin on and outta that shit raw and shit...the shit amazed me so much ,i just sat there and shook my head as this fuckhead kept calling the next nigga to come thru,when they were gone,she gone come and ask me why i didnt come get some too...man...i nearly slapped the harlot but i just ignored her and shit

now lets say the slut gets pregnant....how tha fuck is she gonna tell who the dad is....MAURY SHOW???

GOD DAMN!!

LORD ZERO
11-02-2005, 10:55 PM
yeah dats a str8 maury show prelude, word da fuck up

Aqueous Moon
11-02-2005, 10:56 PM
Peace

I live in cali and it's real weird cause it's a whole lot of mexicans. Like they just sprouted triple they population in one generation.

I know this wasn't your point, Grave. I'm just saying yo somebody gotta start having some babies or else nothing is ever go change in this world.

Like the mexicans, they got major power now. I mean they run shit in the hood. They just elected a mexican mayor...as, far as blacks go - we don't even produce enough seeds to cover the number of us who die just from normal shit.

It's not all about the economics though, for whatever race you belong to cause you gotta think about the future. (Some people will NEVER be rich enough to have kids if you just think about economics)

Peace

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-02-2005, 11:01 PM
Peace

I live in cali and it real weird cause it is a whole lot of mexicans. Like they just sprouted triple they population in one generation.

I know this wasn't your point, Grave. I'm just saying yo somebody gotta start having some babies or else nothing is ever go change in this world.

Like the mexicans, they got major power now. I mean they run shit in the hood. They just elected a mexican mayor...as, far as blacks go - we don't even produce enough seeds to cover the number of us who die just from normal shit.

It's not all about the economics though, for whatever race you belong to cause you gotta think about the future. (some people will NEVER be rich enough to have kids if you just think about economics)

Peace
YOUR POINT IS valid but we also gotta consider that overpopulation can be a problem,right now,the earths resources are getting more limited by the day...very soon ,i can see biological dieseases being invented to control population and shit

SHRAP
11-02-2005, 11:29 PM
man some fuckin young ass chick was tryna holla at me on the internet and shit and she had a pic of a baby and said it was hers i was like... the fuck... bitch is 16 and has a fuckin kid... how sad is that shit... kids shouldnt have kids fuck

Murdah Piff
11-02-2005, 11:36 PM
trust me,its not even funny,i know this one girl,shes like 21 with 4 kids and boy o boy,does she see hell,she literally cries everyday cause every penny she earns goes to them kids,sometimes she cant even pay her rent and aint no one helping her cause her fam disowned her and shit...her life is preety fucked up,shit she cant even spend money on herself

whats worse is them kids are bad as hell and very rude and sometimes call her names after all the suffering she is going thru for them

i do regret some shit i said to her once when we had a little disagreement,i told her

"if u didnt spread ya legs so much,your life wouldnt be such a mess,right now,you're a loser"

harsh but sometimes the truth hurts

feel me? and then i came through with mike delorean shoutin "REALITY'S A MUTHAFUCKA YOU CANT DUCK IT"

Fragmented
11-03-2005, 12:59 AM
fuck having kids on a real though, it's hard enough to keep the love in a relationship without kids, half the time i think thats what causes most breakups

crass
11-03-2005, 01:11 AM
^^^yeah money

002
11-03-2005, 05:03 AM
if i'll ever have a kid ( i don't want one) i'll be there for him, 100%.

i told these bitches, take care of that shit, cause i ain't usin condoms. if any of them gets pregnant, she's gonna HAVE to give birth to the baby, or i'll fuckin kill her.

peace

ma*spits
11-03-2005, 07:06 AM
I gotta say i do the same thing, when a dude who's like 24 or older say he dont have kids,I give him the, i dont believe your ass, look. Because the reality of it is, that a lot of dudes out here got kids, but they think that if they hide that from you, then you're much more likely to talk to them.

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 07:34 AM
Grave....I feel what u saying......I have no idea why society just accepts that kids r havin kids....I have to admit that I do ask the question do u have kids but I am not surprised by the response......

ZigZag
11-03-2005, 08:34 AM
I HAVE A SON IN CHI AND A DAUGTHER IN ATLANTIC CITY.... ONES A BLAXICAN AND THE OTHER IS JUST BLACK

I'M A DEAD BEAT DAD AND HAVEN'T TAKEN CARE OF MY KIDS SINCE MURRAY SAID "YOU ARE THE FATHER!!"

SO KIDS HERE'S A LESSON NEVER WEAR CONDOMS AND IF THE BITCH GETS PREGNANT RUN LIKE GHOSTFACE....

http://www.nonphixion.com/videos/ghost_run.jpg
"PICK UP THE BLUEBERRY KICKS AND RUN EXTRAVIGANT!!"











































http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9468/yayosmiley6sy.gif

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 10:03 AM
man some fuckin young ass chick was tryna holla at me on the internet and shit and she had a pic of a baby and said it was hers i was like... the fuck... bitch is 16 and has a fuckin kid... how sad is that shit... kids shouldnt have kids fuck
lol 16 is better....try 14 year olds:yessad:

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 10:04 AM
and then i came through with mike delorean shoutin "REALITY'S A MUTHAFUCKA YOU CANT DUCK IT"
hahaha

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 10:05 AM
fuck having kids on a real though, it's hard enough to keep the love in a relationship without kids, half the time i think thats what causes most breakups
i agree 100% on this one,but then again,i depends on the kids and how they are raised

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 10:06 AM
if i'll ever have a kid ( i don't want one) i'll be there for him, 100%.

i told these bitches, take care of that shit, cause i ain't usin condoms. if any of them gets pregnant, she's gonna HAVE to give birth to the baby, or i'll fuckin kill her.

peace
word..accepting ya responsibility is the right road to take fam

Escobar_Incorporated
11-03-2005, 10:07 AM
word up..no kids for me till im 33 and a multimillionaire.. i want to be able to buy my kid the porsche i always wanted growing up as a kid that my parents didnt buy me.

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 10:07 AM
I gotta say i do the same thing, when a dude who's like 24 or older say he dont have kids,I give him the, i dont believe your ass, look. Because the reality of it is, that a lot of dudes out here got kids, but they think that if they hide that from you, then you're much more likely to talk to them.
true,i know alotta chicks wont talk to a cat when he got kids or a babymama but its also funny how they want niggaz to talk to em when they got a bundle of kids???but i see what ya sayin tho

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 10:08 AM
Grave....I feel what u saying......I have no idea why society just accepts that kids r havin kids....I have to admit that I do ask the question do u have kids but I am not surprised by the response......
lol,i take it,the "response" is so common,you have gotten used to it huh?

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 10:08 AM
I HAVE A SON IN CHI AND A DAUGTHER IN ATLANTIC CITY.... ONES A BLAXICAN AND THE OTHER IS JUST BLACK

I'M A DEAD BEAT DAD AND HAVEN'T TAKEN CARE OF MY KIDS SINCE MURRAY SAID "YOU ARE THE FATHER!!"

SO KIDS HERE'S A LESSON NEVER WEAR CONDOMS AND IF THE BITCH GETS PREGNANT RUN LIKE GHOSTFACE....

http://www.nonphixion.com/videos/ghost_run.jpg
"PICK UP THE BLUEBERRY KICKS AND RUN EXTRAVIGANT!!"











































http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9468/yayosmiley6sy.gif

-dead-

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 10:20 AM
lol,i take it,the "response" is so common,you have gotten used to it huh?
LOL....yeah.......

Ayatollah Prolific
11-03-2005, 10:33 AM
I had a couple of close calls... But it never went anywhere. I always wanted to get the baby aborted when we had situations like that. Now... it's a little different.

I'm 27, and I feel like I want to get married and have kids. It was unfathomable before then, but now it's seems inherent. I guess my point is, I think people are becoming fathers and mothers too quickly when there not ready. In turn the baby gets neglected and grows up and has a baby young and neglects them in turn.

Ayatollah Prolific
11-03-2005, 10:38 AM
word ma nigga

ya know what just hit me

last week,i was over at my boys crib and they brought this one drunk harlot they found in the club,it was like 7 niggaz and shit,and im talking 7 BIG NIGGAZ,now imagine niggaz bigger than me and shit,anyways...they spit game at this bitch and the dumb harlot agrees to let em run a train on her,let me tell you man,niggaz was goin on and outta that shit raw and shit...the shit amazed me so much ,i just sat there and shook my head as this fuckhead kept calling the next nigga to come thru,when they were gone,she gone come and ask me why i didnt come get some too...man...i nearly slapped the harlot but i just ignored her and shit

now lets say the slut gets pregnant....how tha fuck is she gonna tell who the dad is....MAURY SHOW???

GOD DAMN!!
I think this is a strange trand as well.. This whole gang bang thing is pretty f@cked up, if you ask me. Not only is it a super cess pool of diseases... but it is gay.

I never liked to think about whether my companion f@cks other guys... Let alone, f@cked a guy right before me. To close for comfort (in time and space) if you ask me.

LadyRectah
11-03-2005, 11:55 AM
is it wrong that half the time im usually iriitated by kids,especially when they cry and shit??

i mean Damn

SHUT THA FUCK UP LOLUhg shut up crispy.. u make me sick.. . u act like u didnt drive ur parents crazy at one point we all cry, we all get sick.. of course kids are going to cry cause they dont know how to express themselves.. . shit I can handle mine..and Im a damn good parent at that.. 2 boys doing it alone. .fuck the daddy... he was just sperm donor..

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 12:06 PM
Uhg shut up crispy.. u make me sick.. . u act like u didnt drive ur parents crazy at one point we all cry, we all get sick.. of course kids are going to cry cause they dont know how to express themselves.. . shit I can handle mine..and Im a damn good parent at that.. 2 boys doing it alone. .fuck the daddy... he was just sperm donor..
Preach Sista! Preach!

Tell him like it is!

ZigZag
11-03-2005, 12:25 PM
Uhg shut up crispy.. u make me sick.. . u act like u didnt drive ur parents crazy at one point we all cry, we all get sick.. of course kids are going to cry cause they dont know how to express themselves.. . shit I can handle mine..and Im a damn good parent at that.. 2 boys doing it alone. .fuck the daddy... he was just sperm donor..
AHAHAHAHA SPERMS DONOR...

I'M A SPERM DONOR.....WANT A DONATION??? :king:

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 12:27 PM
AHAHAHAHA SPERMS DONOR...

I'M A SPERM DONOR.....WANT A DONATION??? :king:


LOL....wow it's actually more like ur a premature ejaculator and not a sperm donor right?

ZigZag
11-03-2005, 01:06 PM
HEY YOU DON'T LIKE HOW I DONATE MY SPERMS 2 BAD! I DO IT FOR CHARITY...

LadyRectah
11-03-2005, 01:07 PM
How much is your sperm?

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 01:08 PM
How much is your sperm?

LOL......he has to pay folks to take it.....

ZigZag
11-03-2005, 01:13 PM
How much is your sperm?VERY EXPENSIVE... IT'S GOOD SPERM...


BUT I'LL GIVE IT 2 YOU FOR FREE SINCE YOUR SUCH A NICE PERSON|)


LOL......he has to pay folks to take it.....
WHAT YOU TALKIN BOUT WOMAN THIS SOME GOOD QUALITY SPERMS U CAN'T FIND GOOD SHIT LIKE THIS

PLUS I'VE BEEN TOLD IT TASTE LIKE APPLESAUCE:cool:

LadyRectah
11-03-2005, 01:15 PM
Good sperm??? HAHA!!!

ZigZag
11-03-2005, 01:18 PM
YEAH! IT'LL CURE YOUR COLD COME GET SOME...WHEN IT'S HOT IT TAKES LIKE CANDY APPLES AND CINNAMON STICKS...

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 01:26 PM
OH wow.......shit is deep in this thread......

ZigZag
11-03-2005, 01:28 PM
YUP...

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 01:50 PM
lol

TeknicelStylez
11-03-2005, 02:38 PM
LAFF at zig, stay lighting up threads.

One time this bitch that I hate with all my heart told me she was pregnant. I said "You better get that shit aborted" and walked out the house. No way in hell son, I do not give a fuck, in a million years I would never let a woman like that be the mother of my child.

Plus it's hard enough for me to support myself, why would I wanna support a child, the kid will turn out more fucked up than me. Death is a way better option than anything I can give the kid.

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 02:40 PM
LAFF at zig, stay lighting up threads.

One time this bitch that I hate with all my heart told me she was pregnant. I said "You better get that shit aborted" and walked out the house. No way in hell son, I do not give a fuck, in a million years I would never let a woman like that be the mother of my child.

Plus it's hard enough for me to support myself, why would I wanna support a child, the kid will turn out more fucked up than me. Death is a way better option than anything I can give the kid.
Wow......that's some powerful words......

TeknicelStylez
11-03-2005, 02:50 PM
I found out she wasn't pregnant, erm she had other problems that was causin her to not have her period lol.

But yea shit killed me, because I do wanna have a son eventually, and I was thinking like if she gets an abortion, that would be my first child I would ever have and shit. IDK the thought of that just got me real irritated. For like 5 days I was just like FUCK MAN, FUCK! and I would call her up and scream at her for like an hour, idk shit made me feel better.

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 02:51 PM
I understand......children, abortions.....very emotional things.....

TeknicelStylez
11-03-2005, 02:55 PM
Yea that weight would still be on my chest right now, like the child that didn't make it and shit, I would be wondering how he would turn out and shit. If he inherited any of that bitches genes he would've been an ugly ass kid with the intelligence of 0 and bad manners, she would have raised him terrible too, or at least fucked up the way I was raising him, her own son is a fuckin terror.

OMG I hate her family too, I hate everything about that bitch lol.

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 02:58 PM
well.....u dodged it this time....next time u may not be so lucky.......

TeknicelStylez
11-03-2005, 03:02 PM
True story, I don't fuck that much anymore after that, I slowed down alot. I can't take them chances lol.

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 03:03 PM
True story, I don't fuck that much anymore after that, I slowed down alot. I can't take them chances lol.
LOL....I never fuck anymore.......

002
11-03-2005, 03:59 PM
LOL....wow it's actually more like ur a premature ejaculator and not a sperm donor right?
hahahhaha, totally owned him. peace

Queen Of Poetry
11-03-2005, 04:08 PM
thx.....I thought that was pretty clever too!

ZigZag
11-03-2005, 04:18 PM
:ouch: {:(

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
11-03-2005, 04:28 PM
If you have supportive people around you, like a good family, then having a kid young doesn't ruin your life. I've got a daughter but I haven't lost out on anything, I have only gained. You don't know until it happens to you, don't judge how it would be by looking at other people.

Aqueous Moon
11-03-2005, 04:47 PM
YOUR POINT IS valid but we also gotta consider that overpopulation can be a problem,right now,the earths resources are getting more limited by the day...very soon ,i can see biological dieseases being invented to control population and shit

Peace

We way past that time yo, they already did that shit. And , it's working...at least on the black people.

We not producing enough descendents. Most females in my generation don't want no kids. They don't want that burden. A lot of sisters try to "make it" and climb up that corporate ladder before they even think about having kids. Then after they like 30 or 40 they may have one child.

Before it was AIDS, it was syphillis and they tested this on blacks first....It's a known fact.

It's just sad that so many people say that a child is a burden...children really are the only future we got.

Peace

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 08:11 PM
ill agree with one point you got aqueous moon,and thats the one of the descendants,i think when im ready,im gonna have enough kids to make ma name last for centuries..no doubt and yea,i also believe aids was scientifically created to limit population,also i think it was supposed to be used as biological warfare but shit blew outta porportion and shit

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 08:13 PM
and a question to everyone in this topic

when do yall think is a right time to have kids?

RADIOACTIVE MAN
11-03-2005, 08:18 PM
haha..thats one hell of an answer

Chief 'Broom
11-03-2005, 09:28 PM
i'm gonna say nowadays 30 is a good age

TeknicelStylez
11-03-2005, 11:18 PM
Before it was AIDS, it was syphillis...

Ummm no....

Actually syphilis has been around since the roman empire, I highly doubt the romans created syphilis... Especially because some of their emperors had it, like Caligula, and it made him go crazy. Other emperors were associated with siezures (which were thought to be stigmatic), they are also a symptom of syphilis.

Aqueous Moon
11-03-2005, 11:54 PM
Peace

Re- read my post and google the Tuskegee syphillis (sp) experiment...you will see what I was talking about.

TeknicelStylez
11-04-2005, 12:17 AM
I said it before and I said it again, you can find websites that show a lady who thinks her dog is christ, and it'll give you a detailed explanation. I want facts...

And the Tuskegee Experiments, were scientists studying black people in the late stages of syphilis without telling them what they had. Not them giving them syphilis.

Aqueous Moon
11-04-2005, 12:20 AM
Peace

If you don't believe the tuskegee syphillis experiment went down, then you must be in denial. That evil shit was intentional not just an accidental outbreak.

TeknicelStylez
11-04-2005, 12:25 AM
You got it all wrong fam, they didn't give anyone syphillis, they were experimenting on people in the late stages of syphillis, some more interesting "facts" for you.

And I'm not in denial, I'm just not gullable, I like to see proof and not believe in shit just because it benefits my side of the spectrum.

"The experiment's name comes from the Tuskegee Institute, the black university founded by Booker T. Washington. Its affiliated hospital lent the PHS its medical facilities for the study, and other predominantly black institutions as well as local black doctors also participated. A black nurse, Eunice Rivers, was a central figure in the experiment for most of its forty years. The promise of recognition by a prestigious government agency may have obscured the troubling aspects of the study for some. A Tuskegee doctor, for example, praised “the educational advantages offered our interns and nurses as well as the added standing it will give the hospital.” Nurse Rivers explained her role as one of passive obedience: “we were taught that we never diagnosed, we never prescribed; we followed the doctor's instructions!” It is clear that the men in the experiment trusted her and that she sincerely cared about their well-being, but her unquestioning submission to authority eclipsed her moral judgment. Even after the experiment was exposed to public scrutiny, she genuinely felt nothing ethical had been amiss."

Aqueous Moon
11-04-2005, 12:37 AM
Peace

So, if those are your "facts" what is your point ?

Is it that the nurse was black?

Are you saying that it is not the white man's fault?

Is your point that you know more than me?

Are you just trying to prove me "wrong" for the fun of it?

Whatever your point maybe it doesn't show any fallacy in what I have stated on previous posts. If you were not there then you can only go off the "proof" of your or someone else's account of what took place.

Anyway, I respect your views - we just don't agree

Peace

TeknicelStylez
11-04-2005, 12:41 AM
Whatever your point maybe it doesn't show any fallacy in what I have stated on previous posts. If you were not there then you can only go off the "proof" of your or someone else's account of what took place.
So you took a left hand at the tuskegee research facility? The way you stated it, it sounded like the gonverment came and spread syphillis across the joint. And thats not really what happened, so it sounds to me like you don't even know whats going on. No I'm not saying its not the white mans fault, but I am saying everyone had their hands dirty in this. And if you're going to point out a crime against black people in a means to prove that other races hold them down, I think its probably best to state that black people played a major part in it as well. And if you don't believe me about Eunice Rivers being a central figure in the experiments, do what I did when you told me to, look it up, its all over the place.

I stated my case, don't even reply, I feel like your arguments aren't valid anyway. I present information, you assume I'm suggesting things and back it up with small sentances that half way attack my character.

If you call that Peace, than be straight forward or take it elsewhere.

PEACE

Aqueous Moon
11-04-2005, 01:21 AM
PEACE

Why shouldn't I reply? You trying to blast off on my post about black people having kids. Of course, Im go defend my position.

I don't think you tried to understand why I brought up the experiment. I didn't assume any details about it. I been known about the black nurse.

That was my point - black people are killing themselves off. I think we should stop it and produce more descendents for ourselves.

I can't help the FACT that white people was behind all that shit. If they wanted to do right by blacks they should have never let that shit go down.

Half - way attack your character? that's was not my intention...so you are assuming about that.

That is why I asked you what your point was ...but anyway , PEACE

TeknicelStylez
11-04-2005, 02:03 AM
Call me presumptious but instead of building it seems like these statements make me look like an asshole.

So, if those are your "facts" what is your point ?

Is it that the nurse was black?

Are you saying that it is not the white man's fault?

Is your point that you know more than me?

Are you just trying to prove me "wrong" for the fun of it?
With 0 contribution of information, if you call that defending your position, you'd be cut from a debate team pretty damn quick.

Aqueous Moon
11-04-2005, 02:26 AM
Peace

Those are not statements those are questions. That post does not refer to my position , I was asking you what your position was.

How can I debate and I don't know what I am arguing against...?

Yes, It was a little sarcastic...not trying to make no kinda attack on your character.

TeknicelStylez
11-04-2005, 02:44 AM
Lets take a look at your other posts and the non contribution of information and lacking in overall subject matter and credibility.

First off the post you were replying to was about man made biological diseases to decrease population in which you stated.

We way past that time yo, they already did that shit.Than you used syphillis in the same sentance as another man made disease in which it sounded like you were referring to it as one also. Maybe you should make yourself clearer?

Before it was AIDS, it was syphillis and they tested this on blacks first....It's a known fact.A Fact is something proven beyond reasonable doubt, when you state Fact, I don't automatically assume you are perfectly correct until you post some research up. Don't just say a sentance and go "ITS A FACT" show us it's a fact.

Re- read my post and google the Tuskegee syphillis (sp) experiment...you will see what I was talking about.
So than I decide to do what you say and google this up only to find that you were posting information that wasn't even correct and saying "ITS A KNOWN FACT".

That evil shit was intentional not just an accidental outbreak.
it was syphillis and they tested this on blacks firstLets take a look at an actual article on the Tuskegee Experiments

"For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,”1 their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all."

They weren't GIVING them syphillis they were experimenting on men that already had syphillis. "Known Fact?" I think not, so when people like you jump into arguments and post on something you skimmed through for 10 seconds or were told about during some cipher way back when, you ruin the overall credibility of the thread. Next time take the time to sit back and research on your own.

And if you must know, I know someone who's father was used inn the Tuskegee Experiments. So don't assume I, "don't believe the tuskegee syphillis experiment went down." and that I'm in "Denial".

Aqueous Moon
11-04-2005, 03:14 AM
Peace - I can't figure out the quote thingy...lol


"Lets take a look at your other posts and the non contribution of information and lacking in overall subject matter and credibility."
The above quote is your opinion and everyboy got one of those.

"Than you used syphillis in the same sentance as another man made disease in which it sounded like you were referring to it as one also. Maybe you should make yourself clearer?"
I was referring to the use of any disease as a biological weapon. I didn't say nothing about man made.

"A Fact is something proven beyond reasonable doubt, when you state Fact, I don't automatically assume you are perfectly correct until you post some research up. Don't just say a sentance and go "ITS A FACT" show us it's a fact."
Why should I have to show it when it is so obvious?

"So than I decide to do what you say and google this up only to find that you were posting information that wasn't even correct and saying "ITS A KNOWN FACT"."
I said, They tested it on blacks - that is a known fact. Why do you think it is called an experiment?

"They weren't GIVING them syphillis they were experimenting on men that already had syphillis. "Known Fact?" I think not"
I never said they gave them syphillis, I said they tested biological warfare on them.

"And if you must know, I know someone who's father was used inn the Tuskegee Experiments. So don't assume I, "don't believe the tuskegee syphillis experiment went down." and that I'm in "Denial"."
I said IF you don't believe...etc. You obviously do believe it went down, so...?


By, the way your last post is lacking in overall subject matter and credibility. But, I'm glad we cleared that up.
Peace

TeknicelStylez
11-04-2005, 06:07 AM
I refuse to argue with you anymore, you don't post information you post opinions. Everything I posted was opinions backed up with facts.

Your just thick headed and refuse to admit when your wrong, so theres no point in arguing with you. One of these days your gonna realize you lived a one sided life and your going to feel stupid, and wish you explored more spectrums and listened to more people instead of hearing what you wanna hear all the time.

Go ahead get the last word PEACE.