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D.projectile
09-06-2012, 09:31 AM
29. (1-14) Tell us why he was successful in all his undertakings?

Because the people, who were his followers, obeyed Yacub's Laws.
Regardless what he told them to do, they did it. If not, they paid with their
lives for every law they broke.
Yacub did not build prison houses to imprison his people. When one fell
victim of the law, the penalty was death and was enforced on every victim



(1-36)

7. Why does he like the Devil?

8. Because the Devil put fear in him when he was a little boy.

D.projectile
09-06-2012, 09:35 AM
29.
Regardless what he told them to do, they did it.



see it dere?

diggy
09-06-2012, 11:21 AM
So Yacub is the devil.

knewcheeze
09-06-2012, 12:32 PM
although alot of 5 percenters would disagree with you FMJ...
eye would have to agree with you doe.....

and those who disagree with you and da eye on this matter
....eye feel is suffering
from "sugar on shit" syndrome...

personally eye feel as though if you can't admit that
da Big Headed Scientist Yaqob was a devil then
you are misleading the people and setting them
up for yet another massive slaughter....

if anybody in real life told me to mah face that Yacob
wasn't a devil eye would certainly sucker punch
them in the jaw and then urinate on their body
as they lie on the concrete....

eye feel as though if you cannot admit that Yacob
was a devil then you are the reincarnation of the
same type of person who was most responsible
for Gods chosen people to be enslaved in the triangle trade...

these black nationalist faggots who teach their students
to judge people by the color of their skin are setting
people up for yet another massive slaughter...

29 of the signers of the declaration of independence
was black people

"Africans" ruled the sea's in the 1500's

there was plenty of African slavemasters in
north amerikkka....

also...eye live in NOrthern Virginia which is chock
full of "African" immigrants and eye know them well
and just by observing these idiots behavior eye can cee
into the past and cee the type of mentality
which enslaved Gods chosen people

eye have 100's of stories from mah self and mah
inner circle about "African" immigrants who showed
and proved that they hate so called black americans...

yes....your fuckin punk ass Somalian buddy at da Mosque
copies the "African AMerican" swagger....
talks in slang....wears sean john and FUBU....
but when he gets behind closed doors
amoungst his people WATCH OUT!!!!

you might think it was a KKK rally up in there

but watch out...when its convienient for
the black devil he or she will pull that race
card in a second

mah main main main man King Wah(a knowledge ceed)
told me he gave this so called EThiopian bitch a ride home
and he had to drop her off a mile from her house cuz she
"didn't want her family to cee her with him"....

but yet he told me this very same bitch got on sum
"its because om black" type shit when she felt
she was discriminated against at this doctors office....

he told her to shut the fuck up and he told her he was about
to leave her at the doctors office

he didn't wanna hear it....

this is one of the few things eye love about
Barak O-bomb-yah.....his very existence
is a great barometer to cee who is going
to ride with a slavemaster just because
he got sum Melanin.....

LORD NOSE
09-06-2012, 12:49 PM
all of this shit is gonna be thrown away soon - it's all poison - all of it -

but since it's the language right now, let's use it

9 - shabazz was/is rebellious

6 - yacubs grafted regime is/was rebellious



i bugged out when i heard that Elijah said something like we are not african - it's not an accurate quote - but the way i took it, he was saying that the darker skinned black man was not the original man - and at that time, i had that same fucked up black nationalist poisonous view of things -

then i looked close at the title Original man and thought about the very beginning of man -

when a baby comes out of the womb, it's skin, hair and features are soft - 7

6 is a devolved version - some things were taken away

9 is a evolved version - some things were added -

both are grafted and damaged by the elements of earth and have a fighting aggressive spirit -

7 is mild and flows with nature - peaceful

8 was brought into existence in order for the original man to live forever/infinity

8 is 7 plus one = woman with child

the 2 extemes were brought about in order to bring us the god of these times who was born from both extremes -

6 and 9

this is also the numbers for the pisces - the fish - the jesus - the alpha and omega - first and last

diggy
09-06-2012, 01:00 PM
although alot of 5 percenters would disagree with you FMJ...
eye would have to agree with you doe.....

and those who disagree with you and da eye on this matter
....eye feel is suffering
from "sugar on shit" syndrome...

personally eye feel as though if you can't admit that
da Big Headed Scientist Yaqob was a devil then
you are misleading the people and setting them
up for yet another massive slaughter....

if anybody in real life told me to mah face that Yacob
wasn't a devil eye would certainly sucker punch
them in the jaw and then urinate on their body
as they lie on the concrete....

eye feel as though if you cannot admit that Yacob
was a devil then you are the reincarnation of the
same type of person who was most responsible
for Gods chosen people to be enslaved in the triangle trade...

these black nationalist faggots who teach their students
to judge people by the color of their skin are setting
people up for yet another massive slaughter...

29 of the signers of the declaration of independence
was black people

"Africans" ruled the sea's in the 1500's

there was plenty of African slavemasters in
north amerikkka....

also...eye live in NOrthern Virginia which is chock
full of "African" immigrants and eye know them well
and just by observing these idiots behavior eye can cee
into the past and cee the type of mentality
which enslaved Gods chosen people

eye have 100's of stories from mah self and mah
inner circle about "African" immigrants who showed
and proved that they hate so called black americans...

yes....your fuckin punk ass Somalian buddy at da Mosque
copies the "African AMerican" swagger....
talks in slang....wears sean john and FUBU....
but when he gets behind closed doors
amoungst his people WATCH OUT!!!!

you might think it was a KKK rally up in there

but watch out...when its convienient for
the black devil he or she will pull that race
card in a second

mah main main main man King Wah(a knowledge ceed)
told me he gave this so called EThiopian bitch a ride home
and he had to drop her off a mile from her house cuz she
"didn't want her family to cee her with him"....

but yet he told me this very same bitch got on sum
"its because om black" type shit when she felt
she was discriminated against at this doctors office....

he told her to shut the fuck up and he told her he was about
to leave her at the doctors office

he didn't wanna hear it....

this is one of the few things eye love about
Barak O-bomb-yah.....his very existence
is a great barometer to cee who is going
to ride with a slavemaster just because
he got sum Melanin.....



I so agree with you. And Ya, you're not the only one who realized that some Africans hate us American Blacks with such anger and contempt. Ya I noticed it from somalians especially. They call us 'medo' which means black, but they say it in a way with contempt (like nigger) and they do not consider themselves to be medo. They see themselves as better. A lot of them are racist. I heard some somali girls taking amongst themselves and she said she would never marry a medo cuz you can't trust them and a lot of other negative things. If you buy something from them, they give less than good service when they are serving a 'medo' then if they are serving their own somali. They try to give a few cents less when buying things.

They talk very openly about how somalia is the best and how the rest of africans are not as good country as theirs - like somalia is not even a country - they've been killing each other off for decades over tribalism and territory!!!!

A mental sickness. I feel you. This is why it was easy, imo, for africans to sell other africans to europeans like they were unthinking objects with no fellings. That racism was first tribalism and rankism imo.

june181972
09-06-2012, 01:20 PM
Yacub was not the, nor was he a devil. He was a great scientist that recognized the lowest form of man, and knew that he had to bring it to fruition in order to rid man of it.
Elijah Muhammad, or anything involving the lessons on Yacub or the like is not "black nationalism"
Black is not a color
Black is the essence of the beginning of all things.
Therefore any issue of race is not really about color, but rather a mindset.
A mindset Yacub had a profound understanding of

D.projectile
09-07-2012, 07:31 AM
So Yacub is the devil.

anyone worthy of the title may be called devil
anyone worthy of the title god may be called that
when they make it manifest

knewcheeze
09-07-2012, 03:51 PM
Yacub was not the, nor was he a devil. He was a great scientist that recognized the lowest form of man, and knew that he had to bring it to fruition in order to rid man of it.
Elijah Muhammad, or anything involving the lessons on Yacub or the like is not "black nationalism"
Black is not a color
Black is the essence of the beginning of all things.
Therefore any issue of race is not really about color, but rather a mindset.
A mindset Yacub had a profound understanding of

eye can dig it....but....pardon self....a man who trained 59,999 of his followers to feed black babies to a wild beast or have nurses stick deadly pins in they head is not a devil??????

knewcheeze
09-07-2012, 03:52 PM
anyone worthy of the title may be called devil
anyone worthy of the title god may be called that
when they make it manifest

pretty much

knewcheeze
09-07-2012, 03:54 PM
dayum sunny that was profound!!!!!!!!

word FMJ....medo huh

knewcheeze
09-07-2012, 03:56 PM
eye notice alot of west africans try to pass off
Arab Culture(beating your children, slavery, oppression
of women etc) as authentic
African culture.....

june181972
09-07-2012, 11:17 PM
Regardless of one's opinion of what Yacob did, the lessons say he was "An original man"..."born"..."in the year-eight thousand four hundred."

"It was predicted of him that he would make Devil"..."So he was born with a determined Idea..."

Who is the Original man?
"The Original Man is"..."God of the Universe"

Who is the Colored man?
"...Yacob's grafted Devil..."

How long did it take him to make Devil?
"Six hundred years he was in grafting Devil..."

Then why did God make Devil?
"To show forth HIS Power"..."That He could make a Devil"..."give the Devil power to rule the Earth..."...then, destroy the Devil..."

If Yacob was a devil, he would have had to have himself killed, came back to life multiple times, until the making of devil was complete 600 years after he started.
This is what the lessons say, God made devil
Either one believes the lessons to be right and exact, or they don't.
One cannot "add on" to that which is already right and exact.
Take it, or let it alone

diggy
09-08-2012, 12:35 AM
Then the lessons are simply not right and exact.

Yacuub, an original man, was succesful in his undertakings cuz he told peeps what to do or they paid with their lives. They did it cuz they fear him.

The devil put fear in him when he was a little boy, means that Yacub is the devil.

Yacub cannot be original man and devil at the same time (law of non-contradiction).

D.projectile
09-08-2012, 06:54 AM
a fierce desire to put your own mark on things along wid a inability to let go can be called devilish
things can run smoothly n in harmony without our efforts. we dont have to leave our signiture on anything. wanting to be important and n not being able to let go of ish

powers that be are on another level when it comes to that..imagine givin a rockefeller 4grams of cubensis in a dark room. id love to read that trip report

june181972
09-08-2012, 08:16 AM
Then the lessons are simply not right and exact.

Yacuub, an original man, was succesful in his undertakings cuz he told peeps what to do or they paid with their lives. They did it cuz they fear him.

The devil put fear in him when he was a little boy, means that Yacub is the devil.

Yacub cannot be original man and devil at the same time (law of non-contradiction).

No Sir.

These 2 statements, are from 2 different sections of the Lessons.

"...Law was given to the doctors, the ministers, the nurses and cremator."
Everyone on the Island did not have Yacob's Law
The rank and file did not know they were part of an experiment

The statement:
"...the Devil put fear in him when he was a little boy."
Is referring to what is/was happenning in North America
Yacob is not even mentioned in this section of the Lessons

LORD NOSE
09-08-2012, 09:42 AM
who granted yacub permission to make his devil on the island of patmos ?


how does the tribe of shabazz tie into all of this ?

knewcheeze
09-08-2012, 02:55 PM
Regardless of one's opinion of what Yacob did, the lessons say he was "An original man"..."born"..."in the year-eight thousand four hundred."

"It was predicted of him that he would make Devil"..."So he was born with a determined Idea..."

Who is the Original man?
"The Original Man is"..."God of the Universe"

Who is the Colored man?
"...Yacob's grafted Devil..."

How long did it take him to make Devil?
"Six hundred years he was in grafting Devil..."

Then why did God make Devil?
"To show forth HIS Power"..."That He could make a Devil"..."give the Devil power to rule the Earth..."...then, destroy the Devil..."

If Yacob was a devil, he would have had to have himself killed, came back to life multiple times, until the making of devil was complete 600 years after he started.
This is what the lessons say, God made devil
Either one believes the lessons to be right and exact, or they don't.
One cannot "add on" to that which is already right and exact.
Take it, or let it alone

huh?

have you killed 4 white people yet?

do you plan to?

you are required as a Muslim to kill you foe crackas

...take it or leave it alone...LOL..and have fun in jail
Mr. Right and Exact.....

*knowcheeze hits da rim shot*

but seriously doe...

its interesting....eye was reading that late in MY FATHERS
life....somebody ax'd da Father Allah(13X from mosque 7)

"Why did God make devil"

and Allah replied..."I never made no devil"(paraphrased)...

they ax'd my Father that same question 2 more times and he
replied wit da same answer....

THANK GOODNESS FOR DA FATHER ALLAH!!!!!!!

bottom line...yes...Elijah Muhammad is Allah's messenger...
prophecized to come in the last days from the chapter of
Malachi....but Prophets and Messengers are for weak
Post fall of man type people....eye am a pre fall of man
person...eye don't need no fuckin messengers or prophets...

the QUran says you can have sex with your wife or your
female slaves.....Jesus let sum crackers nail him to a fuckin
cross.....you can have your prophets that allow slavery
and allowing your enemies to murder you....take them....
you can have em....LOL....any God that allows slavery
in mah humble opinion should have their head chopped off...


and yes eye fit the very defineation of the knowledge equal
degree in the 1-40's to a tee
....but frankly....om not gonna look like
a damn fool trying to say a person who fed black babies
to sum wild beast isn't a devil....

the black man is God...and the white man is a devil....

God tells the truth and the devil is a liar....

therefore...anyone who would say someone who fed
ANY baby to a wild beast isn't devil is a white person
in mah opinion....cuz they LIE-ING....

cuz once again....one thing eye take and don't leave is
that the black man is God....any person who acts devilish
regardless of they skin color is a white man.....

aren't contradictions beautiful????

going back to prophets and messengers....it seems like
different types of persona's ascended to that 24th
scientist(da dude on da throne) throuough the history
of the Council of Scientists......
and it seems like certain ones was on sum shit....
for instance da one who told Moses to kill hundreds
and thousands of women and children...
eye don't give a fuck....if eye could go back
in time and meet that man of war Yahweh dude eye would
smack da shit out him.....

bottom line....if the guy who happens to be on the throne
of the council of scientists is a bullshitter....eye wouldn't
hestitate to murder him either...

eye will never forsake my masters....
eye will forever stay loyal to Hip Hop culture,
Master Fard Muhammad, the Father Allah
and his Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie

but at the same time.....eye have quite a reputation
around mah way as the neighboorhood revolutionary....
it took a long time to gain such a reputation...

now...if eye start LYING to people saying someone who
murders babies isn't a devil just so a certain school
of thought considers it right and exact then eye will
loose mah blessing...and rightfully so....cuz that would
make me a bullshittin kow towin ass liar!!!!!

one thing eye LOVE about the NGE is that they
on sum Ray Parker Jr. shit....in other words....they ain't scared
of no ghost.....oooops....eye mean this Council of Scientists
that nobody has ever ceen before...LOL

"35. When did their own people find out that they were here?
36. Approximately sixty years ago."

who is their own people?

cuz elitist African devils watched the whole traingle trade
go down with indifference...

and if their own people is the council of scientists.....then
what type of rinky dinky God didn't know the triangle
trade was going down....

in conclusion....eye do percieve that Sugar on shit type
black nationalists who use semantical magic tricks
and kow towing the official "line" of their school of thought
to fool people and say baby murderers aren't a devil
are very valuable.....your semantical magic tricks
are very much needed....thats that Mental Infant Milk.....
you can reach that very immature segment of the population...
you can civilize alot of childish racists with that shit too....so
it all works out in the end

but only babies need to drink that milk that is made
strictly for INFANTS......personally eye only drink
vegan mental nut milk(hemp ceed, almond etc)

PEACE!!!!!!!!!!

knewcheeze
09-08-2012, 03:04 PM
Then the lessons are simply not right and exact.

Yacuub, an original man, was succesful in his undertakings cuz he told peeps what to do or they paid with their lives. They did it cuz they fear him.

The devil put fear in him when he was a little boy, means that Yacub is the devil.

Yacub cannot be original man and devil at the same time (law of non-contradiction).

Yacob was BORN an original man....but once he started
murdering the black babies on patmos he was no longer
an original man....he let the white man inside him take over.....

HE WAS A FUCKIN DEVIL!!!!!!!

thank goodness this age of aquarious is here.....

its a beautiful age where even the Gods of the Bible and
Quran are not above reproach and rebuke....

study the story of Moses encounter with the Green One
in Sura 18....

the age of the mystery God is over!!!!!!!!

how could Che Guevara fullfill the requirement of killing
4 devils and he ain't even a religious person where
every Muslim who reads the SWL's have never killed
a devil in his life?

knewcheeze
09-08-2012, 03:09 PM
"who granted yacub permission to make his devil on the island of patmos ?"

good question......but whoever did grant him permission
should have been tortured for months and then murdered

"how does the tribe of shabazz tie into all of this ? "

good question....eye guess the 10 percenters in the
"tribe of Shabazz" teamed up with "Yacobs people"
for the triangle trade to sell the rest of the tribe
of Shabazz into slavery......

and even in places like Florida you had plenty of 10 percent
"shabazz tribesmen" who had "Yacobs people as slaves"...LOL

what you think sunny?

knewcheeze
09-08-2012, 03:41 PM
Yacob was born an original man.....but everyone made fun of his big head.....and that brought da cracka out of him....eye remember a certain someone at KTL was saying it was good that children bully each other......NO SIR!!!!!!!!!.....one of the lessons eye learn from Yacob is to treat everyone good cuz you never know what they are capable of....that guy you making fun of might be that rare type of person who will shoot you in your head....bottom line....DON"T THINK YOU CAN"T GET GOT....that includes ass hole bosses who treat they employees bad.....PEACE

june181972
09-08-2012, 09:02 PM
As per the general content of posts #18, #19, #20, #21

I would humbly suggest that you go back and study your Lessons
But it is obvious that you don't give a damn about them

No where in the Lessons does it say "kill 4 white people"
you are the one using "semantical magic tricks"

"What is Devil?"
"A grafted man which is made weak and wicked."
"Or, any grafted, live germ from the original is devil."

What is in devil, was/is in Original and HAD to be grafted out by the wise scientist Yacob
Killing devil does not mean killing a white person. I will not even attempt to assume why you are trying to propogate this falsehood.

You can keep that micro-minded, instantly-gratifying grafted version of the Lessons, and life in general, that you claim to live by.

You can keep that I Self Lord And Master reasoning you use to change, or just ignore all together, the Lessons, which is what you are doing here.

Thinking that everything "God" is harmless, happy go lucky, and won't have to break the eggshell to eventually make the perfect omelette, is the epitome of "Mental Infant Milk"

D.projectile
09-10-2012, 08:49 AM
huh?

its interesting....eye was reading that late in MY FATHERS
life....somebody ax'd da Father Allah(13X from mosque 7)

"Why did God make devil"

and Allah replied..."I never made no devil"(paraphrased)...

they ax'd my Father that same question 2 more times and he
replied wit da same answer....

THANK GOODNESS FOR DA FATHER ALLAH!!!!!!!


PEACE!!!!!!!!!!


he gave duality the middle finger wid that one..needs to be done coz god can only be good.

peace

knewcheeze
09-10-2012, 12:41 PM
12 jewels!!!!

"I would humbly suggest that you go back and study your Lessons
But it is obvious that you don't give a damn about them"

eye give so much of a damn about them that om not gonna forsake my supreme mathmatics so a certain sect of the 5 percent agree's with what eye say....if eye didn't give a damn about them eye would just agree with you and LIE and say that Yacob wasn't a devil...LOL...knowledge wisdom understanding culture power equality God build/destroy born and cipha is what eye live by...eye MUST live these principles out regardless of whom or what....and EQUALITY(the bouncer at club 7...7.5 is da VIP section) says that any murderer of an innocent baby is a devil...you need to rephrase your statement...eye don't give a DAMN about how YOU and your SECT interpert the lessons...eye give so much a damn that om not gonna let a bunch of cows Milk drinkin ass coffee drinkin worshipping a man they never ceen mothafuckas dilute mah supreme math....eye owe it to the baby's...om God....God don't put sugar on shit and call it cake...eye hardly even believe that God would eat cake period being that it contains the gateway drug...SUGAR...LOL

"No where in the Lessons does it say "kill 4 white people"
you are the one using "semantical magic tricks""

Exactly..how da EYE cee's that degree it DOESN'T say that....but by going by how YOU interpert the lessons it most certainly does....

"Why did Muhammad and any Muslim murder the
devil? "---Allah in the person of Master Fard
Muhammad in da Just Ice degree

" Each Muslim is required to bring four
devils."--the Messenger of Allah Elijah Muhammad
in da Just Ice Degree

so yeah make up your fuckin mind son....

why is it that YOU and your sect are the ones
who can say which lessons are to be taken
ALLEGORICALLY and which lessons are to be
taken literally.....

like eye said son...go kill you foe crackas...
but have fun in jail...just remember what
sean price said....

"Hard to kill like a white boy"

good luck killing 4 white people and not getting
bookoo jail time for

furthermore...om just using terms like "white people" just
to prove mah point....in real life eye would never call anyone
a white person...when eye encounter a black skinned devil
eye call him a white boy to his face.....

eye don't use these racial terms to descibe people
in real life.....cuz eye live out Supreme Math....EQUALITY....

as long as you a civilized person eye don't even cee your race....

if eye was to murder Condoleeza Rice, COlon Powell,
Clarence Thomas and jumped in the delorian wit da flex
compasitor and hit 88 miles per hour and went back
and killed Yacob eye would be killing 4 devils.....

"What is in devil, was/is in Original and HAD to be grafted out by the wise scientist Yacob
Killing devil does not mean killing a white person. I will not even attempt to assume why you are trying to propogate this falsehood."

eye never said killing devil meant to be killing a white person...
eye think a devil is devil no matter what his or her skin color...
YOU on the other hand have QUALIFACATIONS as to what a
devil is.....in YOUR opinion a man can kill thousands of baby's
and NOT be a devil....LOL.....yeah don't attempt shit
cuz you out of your league son.....WISE SCIENTIST mah ass...

for you to even say that shit just tells me that you
take big diareah shits on the concept of WISDOM....

TRUE WISDOM will take you beyond understanding...
beyond culture....true wisdom will power you up
and bring you to Godhood.....

your wisdom is apparently weak....

"You can keep that micro-minded, instantly-gratifying grafted version of the Lessons, and life in general, that you claim to live by. "

*math you breaks into his sellout south korean accent*

SO SORRY......

you think a murderer of thousands of baby's is not a devil
and is a wise man....eye can substaintiate mah claims...

you look foolish to the civilized world.....

"You can keep that I Self Lord And Master reasoning you use to change, or just ignore all together, the Lessons, which is what you are doing here."

Now cipha...om just telling the truth...you give devils with black skin a free passs.....this is the exact same mentality that allowed the triangle trade to even exist...son...

"Thinking that everything "God" is harmless, happy go lucky, and won't have to break the eggshell to eventually make the perfect omelette, is the epitome of "Mental Infant Milk"

okay...your GOd is a baby killler....have fun with that.....mah God is a Just God....cuz mah God is me......and om not gonna lie just so eye can get love from a bunch of liars.....

anyways.....eye wish you nothing but an abundance of 12 jewels despite you being a liar.....you mean well....your just a kow tower....

knewcheeze
09-10-2012, 12:42 PM
he gave duality the middle finger wid that one..needs to be done coz god can only be good.

peace

thank you....if your God condones baby killing then you got one hell of a piece of shit ass God.....

june181972
09-10-2012, 04:38 PM
Black is not a color
Black is the essence of the beginning of all things.
Therefore any issue of race is not really about color, but rather a mindset.

I never said skin color is the determinant of devil, neither does the Lessons. It's too bad that you feel that you must misrepresent what I post to make your point.
....a man who trained 59,999 of his followers to feed black babies to a wild beast or have nurses stick deadly pins in they head is not a devil??????
It's one thing to have a grafted opinion of the Lessons, it's another to totally misrepresent them as you are doing here. The wise scientist only "trained" his laborers.

eye don't give a DAMN about how YOU and your SECT interpert the lessons...
I'm not "interpreting" anything. I submit to the wisdom of the Lessons.
And I perfer the word Ummah to "sect" if you please.

why is it that YOU and your sect are the ones
who can say which lessons are to be taken
ALLEGORICALLY and which lessons are to be
taken literally.....
Absolutely Nothing in the Lessons is allegorical and absent of tangible fact.

TRUE WISDOM will take you beyond understanding...
beyond culture....true wisdom will power you up
and bring you to Godhood.....

your wisdom is apparently weak....
Yacob had reached "Godhood"
That's why he was able to build and destroy in the Agean Sea...so a new and better civilization could Be Born
This is an example of the Wisdom within the Lessons that you errantly forsake.



you give devils with black skin a free passs.....this is the exact same mentality that allowed the triangle trade to even exist...son...
You did some half-ass-slick, coward-shit in this post.
You quoted every single word from my post except when I showed you, DIRECTLY from the Lessons; What is Devil? : Or, any grafted, live germ from original is devil."
If Yacob grafted devil FROM Original, obviously devil was/is in Original
This "free pass" thing you are trying to put on me is some straight up Straw Man Technique! son


okay...your GOd is a baby killler....have fun with that.....mah God is a Just God....cuz mah God is me
You finally manned up and said it; You feel that you are your own God.
However, there was no need to use the good names of the Supreme Mathematics, the Nation of Gods and Earths, and Clarence 13X to promote the fact that you are on your own shit. If you're gonna stand on your own, do it. CREATE your own, totally original, with no previous wisdom, because that's what the Gods do! son

knewcheeze
09-10-2012, 06:01 PM
PEACE

"I never said skin color is the determinant of devil, neither does the Lessons. It's too bad that you feel that you must misrepresent what I post to make your point."

Son....you saying Yacob wasn't a devil because he was an original man...stop trying to confuse the issue...you think a baby killer isn't a devil because he is an original man...thats what you ORIGINALLY SAID...
your whole premise is that the baby killer yacob wasn't a devil because he was an original man...you need to stay off the coffee and milk....

"It's one thing to have a grafted opinion of the Lessons, it's another to totally misrepresent them as you are doing here. The wise scientist only "trained" his laborers."

you have lost your mind...so the Illuminati devils who train these child assasins aren't devils cuz they didn't pull the trigger....they only "trained" the children to do this...you have lost your mind...you think those armed forces generals who train the soldiers to kill innocent people around the globe aren't devils cuz they only "trained" the soldiers to do it....

"I'm not "interpreting" anything. I submit to the wisdom of the Lessons.
And I perfer the word Ummah to "sect" if you please."

your sect thinks that a child murderer isn't a devil

"Absolutely Nothing in the Lessons is allegorical and absent of tangible fact."

Then go kill you foe crackers....you are required.....

" Each Muslim is required to bring four devils. "

fullfill your requirement....LOL

"Yacob had reached "Godhood"
That's why he was able to build and destroy in the Agean Sea...so a new and better civilization could Be Born
This is an example of the Wisdom within the Lessons that you errantly forsake."

pshhhhhhh......a better civilization is killing babies???
like eye said..you have lost your mind...
eye wonder who you would feel if your son or daughter
was murdered to make a better civilization....

"You did some half-ass-slick, coward-shit in this post.
You quoted every single word from my post except when I showed you, DIRECTLY from the Lessons; What is Devil? : Or, any grafted, live germ from original is devil."
If Yacob grafted devil FROM Original, obviously devil was/is in Original
This "free pass" thing you are trying to put on me is some straight up Straw Man Technique! son"

Son....you are saying that mass murder of babies can build a "better civilization"...stop trying to change the subject...theres no straw man in anything that eye had typed....

"You finally manned up and said it; You feel that you are your own God.
However, there was no need to use the good names of the Supreme Mathematics, the Nation of Gods and Earths, and Clarence 13X to promote the fact that you are on your own shit. If you're gonna stand on your own, do it. CREATE your own, totally original, with no previous wisdom, because that's what the Gods do! son"

yeah whatever baby killer...it would be foul of me to hope your children are murdered by people who claim its to build a "better civilization"

but eye think you feel differently if it was YOUR CHILD.....

anyways...thank you for your response....you basically exposed your BOTTOM LINE.....you think the murder of baby's can help make a "better civilization"...the bottom line is you are for the killing of innocent babies.......

thank you for allowing me to expose you as a devil

and thank Goodness for the Father Allah....as we can cee clearly here alot of people claiming to be 5 percent are nothing but bloodthirsty 10 percenters who approve of the murder of babies.....

knewcheeze
09-10-2012, 06:05 PM
om actually feeling quite spooky right now....its amazing that someone could think killing babies can in ANY instance make a better civilization...damn...EYe owe it to Master Fard Muhammad, the Father Allah, Jah Rastafari and Hip Hop culture to continue to expose you fuckin pro-baby murdering snakes....

june181972
09-11-2012, 08:55 AM
Let me clarify this exchange 1st
a man who trained 59,999 of his followers to feed black babies to a wild beast or have nurses stick deadly pins in they head is not a devil??????
It's one thing to have a grafted opinion of the Lessons, it's another to totally misrepresent them as you are doing here. The wise scientist only "trained" his laborers.
I didn't post this as commentary on Yacob, but rather to show that either you do not know, or are purposely misrepresenting the Lessons. He did not train 59,999 people.



...you think a baby killer isn't a devil because he is an original man...thats what you ORIGINALLY SAID...
your whole premise is that the baby killer yacob wasn't a devil because he was an original man

your sect thinks that a child murderer isn't a devil

a better civilization is killing babies???

you are saying that mass murder of babies can build a "better civilization"...

yeah whatever baby killer

you think the murder of baby's can help make a "better civilization"...the bottom line is you are for the killing of innocent babies.......

....as we can cee clearly here alot of people claiming to be 5 percent are nothing but bloodthirsty 10 percenters who approve of the murder of babies.....
You keep repeating the phrase "killing babies" "baby killer" most likely for the melo-drama and shock value.
If when you read the story of Yacob all you got out of it was: "killing babies" "baby killer" that demonstrates 2 things
1: You are not that bright
2: It is indicative of the condition of your heart and mind that, with all that wisdom within the story of Yacob, you chose only to latch on to "baby killing"


and yes eye fit the very defineation of the knowledge equal
degree in the 1-40's to a tee
If this is true, then you:
"...Teach that the Living God is the Son of man..."
If so
"What makes rain, hail, snow and Earthquakes?"
"Earthquakes are caused by the Son of man...all the above is caused by the Son of man"
But no God of your'se kills innocent people
So everybody that dies in these disasters is guilty of what?
eye give so much of a damn about them that om not gonna forsake my supreme mathmatics so a certain sect of the 5 percent agree's with what eye say....if eye didn't give a damn about them eye would just agree with you and LIE and say that Yacob wasn't a devil...LOL...knowledge wisdom understanding culture power equality God build/destroy born and cipha is what eye live by...eye MUST live these principles out regardless of whom or what....
Supreme Mathematics
7,8,9,0: God, Build/Destroy, Born, Cipher
Destroy: to ruin the structure, organic existence, or condition of
2: to put out of existence : KILL, ANNIHILATE, VANQUISH
Neither the Lessons nor the Supreme Mathematics support you notion of some mystery God that doesn't have to break(destroy, kill) eggshells to make that omelette(perfected complete creation)

One more time for you:
What is Devil?
"A grafted man which is made weak and wicked."
"Or, any grafted, live germ from the original is devil."

The Colored man, Yacob's grafted devil, is the physical manifestation of devil.
He DOES NOT posses the strong Original germ, so he is by NATURE weak and wicked.

The Original Man, God of the Universe, has both the weak and the Original germ. If that weak germ is grafted or manipulate, and is no longer dormant below the Original germ, he will display the CHARACTERISTICS of devil. But that Original germ is still present, he is not devil.

A Muslim does not have to "kill his foe cracka" to kill 4 devils. He must conquer his most formidable foe, that weak germ within himself.

The same principles apply to the God Scientist Yacob

knewcheeze
09-11-2012, 11:19 AM
PEACE!!!!!

"I didn't post this as commentary on Yacob, but rather to show that either you do not know, or are purposely misrepresenting the Lessons. He did not train 59,999 people."

huh????

"83 After rounding them all up into ships, they numbered 59,999. Yakub made 60,000. Their ships sailed out to an Isle in the Aegean Sea called Pelan (Bible Patmos). After they were loaded into the ships, Mr. Yakub examined each of them to see if they were 100 per cent with him; and to see if they were all healthy and productive people. If not, he would throw them off. Some were found to be unfit and overboard they went."
----Message to the blackman chapter 55

LOL

om guesing your response to this will be more semantical magic tricks....


"You keep repeating the phrase "killing babies" "baby killer" most likely for the melo-drama and shock value."

melo-drama???
lets cee how you would feel if YOUR baby was murdered...
lets cee how you feel if someone said you were being
melo dramatic about YOUR baby being killed....

LOL

"If when you read the story of Yacob all you got out of it was: "killing babies" "baby killer" that demonstrates 2 things
1: You are not that bright
2: It is indicative of the condition of your heart and mind that, with all that wisdom within the story of Yacob, you chose only to latch on to "baby killing""

thats NOT all eye got out of it....
but in terms of this thread and your sugar on shit type shit
om just speaking on it...stop making assumptions....
eye get way more out of the story of yacob da devil satan
om just having fun exposing your for the satan that you are....

"If this is true, then you:
"...Teach that the Living God is the Son of man..."

that eye do

"What makes rain, hail, snow and Earthquakes?"
"Earthquakes are caused by the Son of man...all the above is caused by the Son of man"
But no God of your'se kills innocent people
So everybody that dies in these disasters is guilty of what?"

ahhhhhhh nice try muslim son.....

the natural disasters(weather that causes massive
death tolls) are caused by the son of man....
that means everyone on the planet....
all the natural disasters are caused by the foul mental state that
ALL human beings are in....EVERY human being on the planet
is the cause of natural disasters....
for instance humans who think mass murderers of babys aren't
devils...thats why theres natural disasters...
because of the worldwide mentality of humans....
so yes...the son of man does cause all of this
us human beings have a more intimate relationship
to the earth than one will ever know....
the earth is mad at you foul human beings!!!!!!!!
and eye say you...not me.....eye don't support baby killing....LOL

"Supreme Mathematics
7,8,9,0: God, Build/Destroy, Born, Cipher
Destroy: to ruin the structure, organic existence, or condition of
2: to put out of existence : KILL, ANNIHILATE, VANQUISH
Neither the Lessons nor the Supreme Mathematics support you notion of some mystery God that doesn't have to break(destroy, kill) eggshells to make that omelette(perfected complete creation)"

and thats your bottom line which eye have exposed....
but you damn hypocrite cuz if YOUR baby was fed to a wild
beast to make a "perfected complete creation" eye don't
think you would feel so good about it...or would you??

maybe you would like your baby being murdered....LOL

"One more time for you:
What is Devil?
"A grafted man which is made weak and wicked."
"Or, any grafted, live germ from the original is devil."

The Colored man, Yacob's grafted devil, is the physical manifestation of devil.
He DOES NOT posses the strong Original germ, so he is by NATURE weak and wicked."

you contradicting yow shay-ulf....

a mass murder of baby's is the very definition of wicked
and weak.....

"The Original Man, God of the Universe, has both the weak and the Original germ. If that weak germ is grafted or manipulate, and is no longer dormant below the Original germ, he will display the CHARACTERISTICS of devil. But that Original germ is still present, he is not devil."

semantical magic tricks!!!!!!!!!

"A Muslim does not have to "kill his foe cracka" to kill 4 devils. He must conquer his most formidable foe, that weak germ within himself."

naw....don't pull that bullshit....the lessons don't say "he must conquer his most formidable foe, the weak germ within himself"

Allah ax'd Elijah why does the Muslim murder the devil???

Elijah in his response says its REQUIRED

like eye said...eye don't think the killing 4 devils means to kill foe crackas but om just taking your bullshit semantical magic trick and throwing back in your face.....

we can continue this thread forever mah muslim son brother....

but me and everyone and they auntie knows eye just SLAYED YOUR ASS...
mentally.....

your BOTTOM LINE is that you think the mass murder of beautiful innocent pure babies is okay if its done to make a perfected complete creation

someone needs to call child protective services on yow ass....LOL

my bottom line is that baby killing is never okay and anyone who would harm a baby should die a terrible death....a baby killer should be tortured for 9 months before he is killed....

and on the subject of eggs and omlettes...

the original people on the planet beginning to eat animal products such as MILK and EGGS and MEAT was the beginning of the process which brought about this hell on earth that exists today....

PEACE jim jones Muhammad!!!!!!!!!

june181972
09-11-2012, 04:57 PM
"83 After rounding them all up into ships, they numbered 59,999. Yakub made 60,000. Their ships sailed out to an Isle in the Aegean Sea called Pelan (Bible Patmos). After they were loaded into the ships, Mr. Yakub examined each of them to see if they were 100 per cent with him; and to see if they were all healthy and productive people. If not, he would throw them off. Some were found to be unfit and overboard they went."
----Message to the blackman chapter 55

LOL

om guesing your response to this will be more semantical magic tricks....
a man who trained 59,999 of his followers to feed black babies to a wild beast
No where in that quote from Message to the Blackman does it say he "trained 59,999 of his followers to feed black babies to a beast" No where in any book does it say that about Yacob. Even in that quote it says "he(singular) would throw them off. You are just wrong on that 1.


melo-drama???
lets cee how you would feel if YOUR baby was murdered...
lets cee how you feel if someone said you were being
melo dramatic about YOUR baby being killed....
More of this "baby killing" talk


thats NOT all eye got out of it....
but in terms of this thread and your sugar on shit type shit
om just speaking on it...stop making assumptions....
eye get way more out of the story of yacob da devil satan
om just having fun exposing your for the satan that you are....
It would have been more fun if you would have shown ANYTHING, from ANY of the Lessons. Enough of the "baby killing" rants, "expose" me with some Lessons.


ahhhhhhh nice try muslim son.....

the natural disasters(weather that causes massive
death tolls) are caused by the son of man....
that means everyone on the planet....
all the natural disasters are caused by the foul mental state that
ALL human beings are in....EVERY human being on the planet
is the cause of natural disasters....
for instance humans who think mass murderers of babys aren't
devils...thats why theres natural disasters...
because of the worldwide mentality of humans....
so yes...the son of man does cause all of this
us human beings have a more intimate relationship
to the earth than one will ever know....
the earth is mad at you foul human beings!!!!!!!!
and eye say you...not me.....eye don't support baby killing
NONE of this is in the Lessons, ANY Lesson.
Everyone on the planet is included in the title,"Son of man"?
That's some "new millenium, politcally correct, kum-ba-ya" shit right there
AIN'T NOTHING 5% ABOUT: "Son of man means everyone on the planet"


and thats your bottom line which eye have exposed....
but you damn hypocrite cuz if YOUR baby was fed to a wild
beast to make a "perfected complete creation" eye don't
think you would feel so good about it...or would you??

maybe you would like your baby being murdered
Rather than show me how and where I am wrong, once again you choose to fall back on the "killing babies" rant.

you contradicting yow shay-ulf....

a mass murder of baby's is the very definition of wicked
and weak.....
No, that's your chosen definition. This was atleast the 3rd Time I gave the definition of devil according to the Lessons.


semantical magic tricks!!!!!!!!!

naw....don't pull that bullshit....the lessons don't say "he must conquer his most formidable foe, the weak germ within himself"
Nothing you have said is from the Lessons. In the context of this thread, you are in no position to call for me to be 100% from the book. I was explaining myself, you have just repeated your rant.



like eye said...eye don't think the killing 4 devils means to kill foe crackas but om just taking your bullshit semantical magic trick and throwing back in your face.....
If that is what you think, you should have just said it. You just admitted to saying something you did not really believe, so you cannot then continue to accuses me of "semantical magic tricks"
I have spoken straight words, and used the Lessons to further my point throughout this thread.
You have done neither.


your BOTTOM LINE is that you think the mass murder of beautiful innocent pure babies is okay if its done to make a perfected complete creation

someone needs to call child protective services on yow ass....LOL

my bottom line is that baby killing is never okay and anyone who would harm a baby should die a terrible death....a baby killer should be tortured for 9 months before he is killed....
The bottom line is that this thread turned into a discussion on whether or not Yacob is a devil. I have used the Lessons, and you have yet to show me, using the Lessons, that he is a devil.
It is no surprise that you are claiming to have "exposed" and "slayed" me, claiming "everybody knows"
That goes hand in hand with your emotional appeal, to some audience that you wish was here, of "killing babies" "baby killer" "mass murderer of the innocent"
If you play your rant up enough, maybe you can mask the fact the Lessons do not concur with your opinion that Yacob is a devil. You claim to see more in the story of Yacob than "killing babies", if this is so, you have done the Lessons a massive disservice by focusing on the Poorest Part of them.

june181972 goes into wu-corp mode:
Holla back when you got something from the Lesons, FAGGOT

knewcheeze
09-29-2012, 12:10 PM
first of all Sir...eye wanna apologize for being such a sarchastic asshole...nothing wrong with being sarchastic but om venturing into asshole territory...eye need to tone it down a notch

moving on...

"No where in that quote from Message to the Blackman does it say he "trained 59,999 of his followers to feed black babies to a beast" No where in any book does it say that about Yacob. Even in that quote it says "he(singular) would throw them off. You are just wrong on that 1."

exactly...eye prophecized it...more semantical wizardry from you

"More of this "baby killing" talk"

just exposing your bottom line...your lackadaisical attitude towards the murder of babies...and trying to get you to THINK...what if that was YOUR son or daughter?

"It would have been more fun if you would have shown ANYTHING, from ANY of the Lessons. Enough of the "baby killing" rants, "expose" me with some Lessons."

om giving you a lesson right now!!!!!!!!

"NONE of this is in the Lessons, ANY Lesson.
Everyone on the planet is included in the title,"Son of man"?
That's some "new millenium, politcally correct, kum-ba-ya" shit right there
AIN'T NOTHING 5% ABOUT: "Son of man means everyone on the planet"

In the case of natural disasters which kill mass numbers of people why equality self the son of man which causes those is every wicked hearted human being on the planet...luckily for mah arguement eye can go to more contradictions in the lessons which open it up for allegorical interpertation...remember the 4 devils??? and how you are not really gonna murder 4 humans even though its "required"...well...in the destroy degree it says at the end of the degree that "all the above is caused by the son of man"...but the beginning of the destroy degree it goes into DETAIL about how the sun and how SHE draws the mist into the sky etc...CLEARLY in that particular example the Son of Man which is causing the precipitation of water is the actual Sun that sits in the sky...more contradiction for those who are boxed in by theology and official lines..and more arguement winning for knowcheeze...forreal...alot of you 5 percenters are so depressing for real...you take the magic out of life...

furthermore...hypothetically lets say there is a human being who is the God of the Bible and Quran out there that is causing natural disasters that kill innocent babies
then thats a piece of shit God that is not worthy of me even taking a shit on him or her....and needs to be overthrown

om sorry...eye love Master Fard Muhammad too much to believe that he is responsible for the natural disasters that kill mass numbers of people...eye look deep into the lessons while it seems like you wanna drink the breast milk made for infants....

natural disasters are caused by humans...the earth is very in tune with us and reacts to us....all of us

"If that is what you think, you should have just said it. You just admitted to saying something you did not really believe, so you cannot then continue to accuses me of "semantical magic tricks"
I have spoken straight words, and used the Lessons to further my point throughout this thread.
You have done neither."

eye bring up the 4 devils to show you that the lessons are clearly allegorical in certain spots...cause you not murdering NOBODY son

Che Guevara did....you are not

"The bottom line is that this thread turned into a discussion on whether or not Yacob is a devil. I have used the Lessons, and you have yet to show me, using the Lessons, that he is a devil."

thats your problem...you using lessons instead of common sense
and thus looking quite raggedy intellectually and spiritually

"It is no surprise that you are claiming to have "exposed" and "slayed" me, claiming "everybody knows"
That goes hand in hand with your emotional appeal, to some audience that you wish was here, of "killing babies" "baby killer" "mass murderer of the innocent""

EYE REPEAT..let someone murder YOUR children so they can build a better civilization and lets cee how emotional you get...we can do this forever papa....

"If you play your rant up enough, maybe you can mask the fact the Lessons do not concur with your opinion that Yacob is a devil. You claim to see more in the story of Yacob than "killing babies", if this is so, you have done the Lessons a massive disservice by focusing on the Poorest Part of them."

well...since you are okay with baby killing it certainly appears that you are focusing on the poorest part....

child welfare services....where you at????

PEACE June 18 its been fun!!!!!!

june181972
09-29-2012, 08:54 PM
a man who trained 59,999 of his followers to feed black babies to a wild beast or have nurses stick deadly pins in they head is not a devil??????
exactly...eye prophecized it...more semantical wizardry from you
Yacob's Law On Birth Control was only given to the doctors, ministers, nurses and cremator. He DID NOT train all of his 59,999 followers "to feed black babies to a wild beast," only those laborers. I am not using "semantical wizardry" on this particular detail, nor have I used it at any point in this discussion.


just exposing your bottom line...your lackadaisical attitude towards the murder of babies...and trying to get you to THINK...what if that was YOUR son or daughter?
EYE REPEAT..let someone murder YOUR children so they can build a better civilization and lets cee how emotional you get...we can do this forever papa....

Let's examine this issue outside of the Lessons for a moment, since that is what you have done throughout this thread anyway.

knowcheeze: In my opinion, Yacob was a devil because he killed Black babies.

june181972: In my opinion, Yacob was a god because he had the vision to, and actually made a whole new race of people.

It would have made much more sense to go from here instead of me using the Lessons versus you using your personal opinion.


om giving you a lesson right now!!!!!!!!
Just because you think you are God, (see below) doesn't mean I do. No thank you on "your lesson"
mah God is a Just God....cuz mah God is me

In the case of natural disasters which kill mass numbers of people why equality self the son of man which causes those is every wicked hearted human being on the planet...luckily for mah arguement eye can go to more contradictions in the lessons which open it up for allegorical interpertation...remember the 4 devils??? and how you are not really gonna murder 4 humans even though its "required"...well...in the destroy degree it says at the end of the degree that "all the above is caused by the son of man"...but the beginning of the destroy degree it goes into DETAIL about how the sun and how SHE draws the mist into the sky etc...CLEARLY in that particular example the Son of Man which is causing the precipitation of water is the actual Sun that sits in the sky...more contradiction for those who are boxed in by theology and official lines..and more arguement winning for knowcheeze...forreal...alot of you 5 percenters are so depressing for real...you take the magic out of life...

furthermore...hypothetically lets say there is a human being who is the God of the Bible and Quran out there that is causing natural disasters that kill innocent babies
then thats a piece of shit God that is not worthy of me even taking a shit on him or her....and needs to be overthrown

om sorry...eye love Master Fard Muhammad too much to believe that he is responsible for the natural disasters that kill mass numbers of people...eye look deep into the lessons while it seems like you wanna drink the breast milk made for infants....

natural disasters are caused by humans...the earth is very in tune with us and reacts to us....all of us
My only comment on these particular opinions of your'se is that, 2 Times within this thread you admitted to knowingly misrepresenting the Lessons to strengthen your argument. (see below)
Exactly..how da EYE cee's that degree it DOESN'T say that....but by going by how YOU interpert the lessons it most certainly does


like eye said...eye don't think the killing 4 devils means to kill foe crackas but om just taking your bullshit semantical magic trick and throwing back in your face
sematical magic tricks indeed

why is it that YOU and your sect are the ones
who can say which lessons are to be taken
ALLEGORICALLY and which lessons are to be
taken literally
You are the 1 that feels you can "say which lessons are to be taken
ALLEGORICALLY and which lessons are to be
taken literally"
You continue to erroneously accuse me of doing that which you are blatantly doing.
(see below)

eye bring up the 4 devils to show you that the lessons are clearly allegorical in certain spots...cause you not murdering NOBODY son
Che Guevara did....you are not
I see that you think this "killing your foe cracka" is some sort of trump card in these types of discussions.
ONCE AGAIN: the definition of devil, according to the Lessons, means either a grafted man, or a grafted, live germ. Therefore, I do not have to claim "allegory" if I do not kill a human being. The story of Yacob is based on the 2 germs present in the Original Man. Try that "kill your foe cracka" over-the-top rhetoric somewhere else.

thats your problem...you using lessons instead of common sense
and thus looking quite raggedy intellectually and spiritually
Spiritual teachings, and many teachings that contains much wisdom, are multi-layered, multi-faceted, and multi-dimensional.
Whithin the layers of a particular Lesson, 1 layer may be allegorical, while another layer, simultaneously, is tangible fact. All within the same Lesson on the same subject.

well...since you are okay with baby killing it certainly appears that you are focusing on the poorest part....

child welfare services....where you at????

PEACE June 18 its been fun!!!!!!
Since you think that someone using the Lessons is "looking quite raggedy intellectually and spiritually," you should leave the Lessons alone.
TAKE IT OR LET IT ALONE
Comparing my children being murdered to 1 of Yacob's followers is a bullshit hypothetical. There were specific reasons and circumstances why those 59,999 people were on the island of Patmos / Pelan (no need to get into the specifics with someone that thinks the Lessons are "raggedy")
The only thing that has been "exposed" in this thread is that knowcheeze only talks the Lessons to turn around and shit on them.

D.projectile
09-30-2012, 08:48 AM
Whithin the layers of a particular Lesson, 1 layer may be allegorical, while another layer, simultaneously, is tangible fact. All within the same Lesson on the same subject.



true

D.projectile
09-30-2012, 08:52 AM
The only thing that has been "exposed" in this thread is that knowcheeze only talks the Lessons to turn around and shit on them.

that can only be determined by what how he applies them..same with you..if his cee on things causes him to elevate when he applies it then you cant say that.
striving to be god aint shitting onthe lessons

knewcheeze
09-30-2012, 02:37 PM
"Yacob's Law On Birth Control was only given to the doctors, ministers, nurses and cremator. He DID NOT train all of his 59,999 followers "to feed black babies to a wild beast," only those laborers. I am not using "semantical wizardry" on this particular detail, nor have I used it at any point in this discussion. "

oh mah goodness...this is the very definition of semantical wizardry...cuz om not using the word play that you are comfortable with you are making bullshit semantical arguements...yacob was the head dude in charge...it was yacobs law...he was the one responsible for the murder of the black babies...all the doctors, ministers and cremators to orders from him...lord have mercy on you!!!!!!

"Let's examine this issue outside of the Lessons for a moment, since that is what you have done throughout this thread anyway.

knowcheeze: In my opinion, Yacob was a devil because he killed Black babies.

june181972: In my opinion, Yacob was a god because he had the vision to, and actually made a whole new race of people. "

Yacob was defineatly a God....just a God that was a devil...a terrrible horrible devil...similar to the God that Moses took orders from...the God who told Moses to slaughter 200,000 men women and children....LOL

"It would have made much more sense to go from here instead of me using the Lessons versus you using your personal opinion.


Just because you think you are God, (see below) doesn't mean I do. No thank you on "your lesson"

eye didn't expect you to thank me...usually when you get SUNNED you don't wanna thank the person who sunned you...especially a person who is a kow-tower

"My only comment on these particular opinions of your'se is that, 2 Times within this thread you admitted to knowingly misrepresenting the Lessons to strengthen your argument. (see below)"

Islam is mathmatics and can be proven in no limit of time...if you was representing the lessons properly you wouldn't be catching this intellectual ass beating om giving you right now

"sematical magic tricks indeed"

you are a Master of them

"You are the 1 that feels you can "say which lessons are to be taken
ALLEGORICALLY and which lessons are to be
taken literally"
You continue to erroneously accuse me of doing that which you are blatantly doing."

ummmmmm.....om not nessesarily saying om the one who ultimately decides what lessons are to be taken allegorically....eye don't feel like that at all....its up to that person who reads them if they should be taken allegorically or not...don't get it twisted...om just chopping your big ass head off at know the ledge and using certain mental techniques to do so....eye bring up points like the murdering 4 devils issue to SHOW YOU that even YOU take certain lessons allegorically....cuz you ain't killing no humans....and you ain't not killing no 4 white people...but if one was to take that lessons LITERALLY they would be either A)in jail B)on the run from the law C)dead via capitol punishment or some other way or if you got away with it the D)you are very skilled at killing people and getting away with it.....you on sum ghost dog shit potnah...and sumhow eye don't think that YOU HAVE EVER MURDERED ANYBODY.....the only times you ever come close to murder is when you eat your fish sandwhich or sum shit...LOL

"I see that you think this "killing your foe cracka" is some sort of trump card in these types of discussions."

just trying to make you think son

"ONCE AGAIN: the definition of devil, according to the Lessons, means either a grafted man, or a grafted, live germ. Therefore, I do not have to claim "allegory" if I do not kill a human being. The story of Yacob is based on the 2 germs present in the Original Man. Try that "kill your foe cracka" over-the-top rhetoric somewhere else."

ok...and try that "om so cool and non chalant about babies being murdered" type shit sumwhere else

"Spiritual teachings, and many teachings that contains much wisdom, are multi-layered, multi-faceted, and multi-dimensional.
Whithin the layers of a particular Lesson, 1 layer may be allegorical, while another layer, simultaneously, is tangible fact. All within the same Lesson on the same subject"

finally you say something eye agree with....thats why eye can say without a doubt that yacob was a terrible baby killing devil

"Since you think that someone using the Lessons is "looking quite raggedy intellectually and spiritually," you should leave the Lessons alone.
TAKE IT OR LET IT ALONE"

so sorry...eye will hold down this math until eye leave this physical body....telling people that killing babys to build a better civilization would make me look like a fuckin retard and eye would loose all respect in mah community that eye have worked so hard to gain...so eye will take "it"(Allah's Math) but eye will leave "it"(your sugar on shit view on baby killing) ALONE...LOL

"Comparing my children being murdered to 1 of Yacob's followers is a bullshit hypothetical."

om just responding to your madness bruh...you seem very non-chalant about the baby killing that supposedly went on at the Isle of Patmos....om just exposing your bottom line....eye really seriously doubt you would be so very non-chalant if someone told you today that your son or daughter was murdered to build a better civilization....like eye said...SOMEONE CALL CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES.....you have a very non chalant attitude to baby murder similar to the white eugenics movement...

eye repeat just for clarifuckashun...eye am not trying to tell ANYBODY how to view the lessons....alligorical or otherwise....om simply chopping your head off here at wu-tang corp.....lets not confuse the issue...

"There were specific reasons and circumstances why those 59,999 people were on the island of Patmos / Pelan (no need to get into the specifics with someone that thinks the Lessons are "raggedy")"

there is ONE specific reason and thats cuz big headed Yacob was mad at errrrbody for making fun of his BIG ASS HEAD and that white man inside of him came out and he became a fuckin devil...when the day comes when you will sacrifice your baby to be murdered to build a better civilization then holla atcha boy....otherwise.....keep preaching that bullshit to your NOI brothers cuz they the only ones who gonna buy that bullshit

"The only thing that has been "exposed" in this thread is that knowcheeze only talks the Lessons to turn around and shit on them."

yeah okay...once again...you have sugar on shit exuses for baby's being murdered in cold blood....and eye call anybody who kills babys a devil....
knowledge wisdom understanding culture power equality God build/destroy and born and cipha.....om clearly representing those qualities and attributes better than you

personally eye feel eye am repping them lessons and way more gooder than you ever will....

THANK GOODNESS FOR THE FATHER ALLAH for bringing understanding to them lessons cuz like eye said...summa yaw 5 percenters are so damn depressing......

PEACE!!!!!!!!!!

knewcheeze
09-30-2012, 02:40 PM
that can only be determined by what how he applies them..same with you..if his cee on things causes him to elevate when he applies it then you cant say that.
striving to be god aint shitting onthe lessons

pretty much

june181972
10-01-2012, 09:32 PM
a man who trained 59,999 of his followers to feed black babies to a wild beast or have nurses stick deadly pins in they head is not a devil??????
oh mah goodness...this is the very definition of semantical wizardry...cuz om not using the word play that you are comfortable with you are making bullshit semantical arguements...yacob was the head dude in charge...it was yacobs law...he was the one responsible for the murder of the black babies...all the doctors, ministers and cremators to orders from him...lord have mercy on you!!!!!!
"...Yacob gave his people the Law On Birth Control...was given to the doctors, the ministers, the nurses and cremator...death for them if they reveal the Secret..."

This is what the Lessons say. Only those 4 categories of laborers were trained to kill Black babies. The true purpose of the sojourn on Pelan was kept a secret from the other 59,000+ followers. Verbatim from the Lessons is what you call "semantical wizardry" and "word play".
Yacob was defineatly a God....just a God that was a devil...a terrrible horrible devil...similar to the God that Moses took orders from...the God who told Moses to slaughter 200,000 men women and children....LOL

eye didn't expect you to thank me...usually when you get SUNNED you don't wanna thank the person who sunned you...especially a person who is a kow-tower
I'm "kowtowing" to the Lessons, you're "kowtowing" to a Wu-Corp Know The Ledge audience.
Islam is mathmatics and can be proven in no limit of time...if you was representing the lessons properly you wouldn't be catching this intellectual ass beating om giving you right now

ummmmmm.....om not nessesarily saying om the one who ultimately decides what lessons are to be taken allegorically....eye don't feel like that at all....its up to that person who reads them if they should be taken allegorically or not...don't get it twisted...om just chopping your big ass head off at know the ledge and using certain mental techniques to do so....eye bring up points like the murdering 4 devils issue to SHOW YOU that even YOU take certain lessons allegorically....cuz you ain't killing no humans....and you ain't not killing no 4 white people...but if one was to take that lessons LITERALLY they would be either A)in jail B)on the run from the law C)dead via capitol punishment or some other way or if you got away with it the D)you are very skilled at killing people and getting away with it.....you on sum ghost dog shit potnah...and sumhow eye don't think that YOU HAVE EVER MURDERED ANYBODY.....the only times you ever come close to murder is when you eat your fish sandwhich or sum shit...LOL
I've quoted the Lesson at least 2 Times where it states that devil does not have to mean an actual human being. However, you do not care much for the Lessons.

just trying to make you think son

ok...and try that "om so cool and non chalant about babies being murdered" type shit sumwhere else

finally you say something eye agree with....thats why eye can say without a doubt that yacob was a terrible baby killing devil

so sorry...eye will hold down this math until eye leave this physical body....telling people that killing babys to build a better civilization would make me look like a fuckin retard and eye would loose all respect in mah community that eye have worked so hard to gain...so eye will take "it"(Allah's Math) but eye will leave "it"(your sugar on shit view on baby killing) ALONE...LOL
I quickly skimmed over your last opinion on Number 8 in the 1-40, because you are more than willing, and freely admit to, misrepresenting the Lessons just to make your argument sound better than it really is.
In the case of natural disasters which kill mass numbers of people why equality self the son of man which causes those is every wicked hearted human being on the planet...luckily for mah arguement eye can go to more contradictions in the lessons which open it up for allegorical interpertation...remember the 4 devils??? and how you are not really gonna murder 4 humans even though its "required"...well...in the destroy degree it says at the end of the degree that "all the above is caused by the son of man"...but the beginning of the destroy degree it goes into DETAIL about how the sun and how SHE draws the mist into the sky etc...CLEARLY in that particular example the Son of Man which is causing the precipitation of water is the actual Sun that sits in the sky...more contradiction for those who are boxed in by theology and official lines..and more arguement winning for knowcheeze...forreal...alot of you 5 percenters are so depressing for real...you take the magic out of life
That Lesson also states:
"...water is not ever drawn above six miles from the Earth's surface by the Sun and moon."
Leaving the moon out of your opinion on this Lesson makes your argument sound better, but once again, you flat out misrepresent the actual Lesson.

om just responding to your madness bruh...you seem very non-chalant about the baby killing that supposedly went on at the Isle of Patmos....om just exposing your bottom line....eye really seriously doubt you would be so very non-chalant if someone told you today that your son or daughter was murdered to build a better civilization....like eye said...SOMEONE CALL CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES.....you have a very non chalant attitude to baby murder similar to the white eugenics movement...

eye repeat just for clarifuckashun...eye am not trying to tell ANYBODY how to view the lessons....alligorical or otherwise....om simply chopping your head off here at wu-tang corp.....lets not confuse the issue...
You will post anything in an attempt to "chop my head off here at wu-tang corp"
You quoted a book written by a man whose wisdom you claim you "don't fuckin need" and you have surpassed:

bottom line...yes...Elijah Muhammad is Allah's messenger...
prophecized to come in the last days from the chapter of
Malachi....but Prophets and Messengers are for weak
Post fall of man type people....eye am a pre fall of man
person...eye don't need no fuckin messengers or prophets
But yet you tried to use Message to the Blackman in post #30 to help strengthen your argument

there is ONE specific reason and thats cuz big headed Yacob was mad at errrrbody for making fun of his BIG ASS HEAD and that white man inside of him came out and he became a fuckin devil...when the day comes when you will sacrifice your baby to be murdered to build a better civilization then holla atcha boy....otherwise.....keep preaching that bullshit to your NOI brothers cuz they the only ones who gonna buy that bullshit
Wrong again! Well, you would be wrong if you actually gave a damn about the Lessons:
"...he was born with a determined Idea to make a people..."
He was destined to do this, not because "Yacob was mad at errrrbody for making fun of his BIG ASS HEAD"
yeah okay...once again...you have sugar on shit exuses for baby's being murdered in cold blood....and eye call anybody who kills babys a devil....
knowledge wisdom understanding culture power equality God build/destroy and born and cipha.....om clearly representing those qualities and attributes better than you

personally eye feel eye am repping them lessons and way more gooder than you ever will....

THANK GOODNESS FOR THE FATHER ALLAH for bringing understanding to them lessons cuz like eye said...summa yaw 5 percenters are so damn depressing......

You call it an "intellectual ass beating" but really
You have done nothing but make emotional appeals with this "killing babies" and "kill your foe cracka"
Accused me of doing what you are in actuality doing which is "kowtowing" and "semantical magic tricks"
You admitted to saying the Lessons mean 1 thing when you believe they mean something different.
Winning an argument is more important to you than the True Wisdom Stregnth and Beauty of the Lessons

I do not know how you apply the Lessons outside of this forum, but as for this thread, you are shitting on the Lessons.

check two
10-01-2012, 09:47 PM
I thought you two were buddies?

knewcheeze
10-06-2012, 09:56 AM
"I thought you two were buddies?"

never heard of this person's name
what name does he or she usually go by?

just the simple fact eye apologized for being a sarchastic asshole
shows that eye actually like this person...its unheard of 4 knowcheeze
to apologize to anybody up in this muthafucka!!!!!

""...Yacob gave his people the Law On Birth Control...was given to the doctors, the ministers, the nurses and cremator...death for them if they reveal the Secret..."

This is what the Lessons say. Only those 4 categories of laborers were trained to kill Black babies. The true purpose of the sojourn on Pelan was kept a secret from the other 59,000+ followers. Verbatim from the Lessons is what you call "semantical wizardry" and "word play". "

and Yaqob is who they took orders from...give it up!!!!!!

"I'm "kowtowing" to the Lessons, you're "kowtowing" to a Wu-Corp Know The Ledge audience."

pure bullshit...the last person eye wanna debate is a 5 percenter or even an 85/10 percenter like you who sincerely thinks they are a 5 percenter
but if you want it eye gotta give it to yah!!!!!

"I've quoted the Lesson at least 2 Times where it states that devil does not have to mean an actual human being. However, you do not care much for the Lessons. "

eye agree...eye cee the lessons saying that a devil doesn't have to mean an actual human being either...

"That Lesson also states:
"...water is not ever drawn above six miles from the Earth's surface by the Sun and moon."
Leaving the moon out of your opinion on this Lesson makes your argument sound better, but once again, you flat out misrepresent the actual Lesson."

defineatly something to think about

"You will post anything in an attempt to "chop my head off here at wu-tang corp"
You quoted a book written by a man whose wisdom you claim you "don't fuckin need" and you have surpassed:"

yeah uhhh...back in the days when eye was a kow-tower eye would put sugar on shit too when debating people about scripture...but then eye realized that Prophets and Messengers are for weak, grafted, stubborn 85's....om a pre-fall of man being and honestly theres verses in the Quran and Bible which are fucking appalling....THe Bible says that whatever God/Devil that Moses was taking orders from told him to go on a fuckin murder spree and kill like 200,000 people..."When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. "<---Exodus 21:20....Jesus in the bible said " Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ."...

The Quran says u can have sex with your wife or your slaves whom your right hand possessess....

THe BIble and Quran both say its okay to kill a animal and eat it...they both say you can steal milk from animals and drink it...

if we as a humans are gonna murder and oppress animals then we shouldn't bitch and moan when other humans murder and oppress other humans....

bottom line...the BIble and Quran are clearly for fuckin savages

Prophets and Messengers are strictly for retards who can't figure out how to live righteoussly on "by themselves"....

the Quran says don't kill your female children!!!!!!LOL

om so happy om free from having to make exuses for murder

om taking it back pre bible and quran to the pre-Egyptian fertile nile valley civilizations...om taking it back to the ancient divine Central American cultures.....I-Ching and Taoism....Taoists don't condone murder!!!!!!
om a natural 5 percenter/Rastafari but first and foremost I AM HIP HOP.......Hip Hop is clearly the most divine culture in existence....and Adyssa Banjoko can kiss mah ass by the way...Hip HOp does not condone murder of innocent people

"But yet you tried to use Message to the Blackman in post #30 to help strengthen your argument"

yes only to chop your head off....

theres basically something you are failing to understand...basically one technique eye use in debating sumone is to BACK THEM INTO A CORNER where they basically expose themselves to be someone who NOBODY should take any advice from much less let them teach them....thats what eye did and thats why om not taking anything you say seriously....

you basically showed your ass....or in other words your bottom line and that is that YOU PERSONALLY have no problems with murdering an innocent baby if the determined idea is to make a better civilization...and furthermore you think that someone is being MELLODRAMATIC if they have problems with thousands of babies being murdered....

you might know the lessons better than me...and thats a big "MIGHT"....but the fact is that YOU ARE NOT A 5 percenter....EYE AM THE 5 percenter....you are a 85'er or a 10 percenter who knows his or her lessons...no fuckin advocate of baby murder is a 5 percenter

knowledge wisdom understanding culture power equality God build destroy born cipha....no advocate of baby murder is representing those qualities...and is NOT a 5 percent

freedom justice equality....no advocate of baby murder is representing that.....

you are basically no different from a white eugenicist...thats why om having trouble deciding if you just a 85er or a 10 percent!!!!

your only real chance of winning this debate is if you come back to the forum under a different name....because one thing eye have proven to everybody here is that you are emphatically NOT a 5 percenter.....if eye could quote the pig in menace to society....you fucked up...you know you fucked up.....LOL

next time don't let people back you into a corner and make you look foolish!!!!!!!!

the most mentally ill sociopathic person can memorize anything and spit it back verbatim.....shit you can memorize every line in every episode of star trek and shit.....but to be a 5 percent you MUST uphold certain principles which you clearly do not

PEACE!!!!!!!!

John Nash
10-06-2012, 10:46 AM
ive just researched this yakub and it sounds like complete nonsense. theres no evidence 4 the guy ever existing that ive found.
i doubt that eugenics program of his wouldve worked. and also science has shown us white people were on the planet before he was born which just refutes the whole story.

give me 1 piece of proof that he exists.

knewcheeze
10-06-2012, 11:11 AM
eye don't even nessesarily believe he existed either
but eye don't nessesarily believe he didn't exist too

history is a murky subject at best...particularily when
you go back 6000 fuckin years and shit

da love cipha(120) is something that eye use to for practical purposes to
make mah self a better person....

thats it

it would be one big old collasal waste of time for mah shelf to eve try to prove that shit

eye know flying saucers exist cuz eye ceen one in real life

but Yacub...don't know and don't care

John Nash
10-06-2012, 11:18 AM
absence of evidence is evidence of absence

its up to these people to proof that something exists. it isnt up to people to proof that something doesnt exist.

if u go by the logic that something could exist cuz theres no evidence against it not existing then u could say bizarre things such as theres teacups orbiting the sun and that peoples toys come to life whenever theyre not looking.

what exactly do these lessons teach u apart from racist theories about white people being created 4 the intention of evil.

knewcheeze
10-06-2012, 11:34 AM
"absence of evidence is evidence of absence"

yeah history is a murky subject...not very precise

"its up to these people to proof that something exists. it isnt up to people to proof that something doesnt exist."

not nessesarily...theres no universal laws that states that a certain culture MUST PROVE to OUTSIDERS that something exists from their cultural teachings...however there is universal laws which state you must live by the principles of knowledge wisdom understanding culture power equality God build/destroy born and cipha or else you will bring havock into your life...who gives a fuck if someone doesn't believe what you believe...if someone wanna debate it then thats their perogative....

"if u go by the logic that something could exist cuz theres no evidence against it not existing then u could say bizarre things such as theres teacups orbiting the sun and that peoples toys come to life whenever theyre not looking."

well...thats a little strawman esque....cuz its pretty much impossible that tea cups are orbiting the sun and peoples toys come to life whenever theyre not looking unless you hanging out with Don Juan Matus....but the story of Yacub most defineatly COULD HAVE HAPPENED.....eye mean Hitler did the same shit...do you think the Holocaust of the european Jew happened or do you think it was some kind of hoax?

"what exactly do these lessons teach u apart from racist theories about white people being created 4 the intention of evil."

well...eye feel as though what you are saying in the quote above is basically what eye call the authors of this particular school of thought WEEDING OUT people from their school of thought...its a mental road block to keep certain people out who lack understanding....you can't get past certain verses in 120 so you basically throw the rest away...which is good....you wasn't made for this...its not nessesarily a good or bad thing

take mah favorite book of all time the gospel of Hip Hop for instance....most people gonna put the book down after the first chapter because he basically replaces the word God with Hip Hop which is gonna turn most people off....but thats good cuz it weeds out those who aren't loyal to this culture....mental road blocks....call it angels at the borders of the garden of eden...

knewcheeze
10-06-2012, 11:58 AM
as far as your racism topic...

eye find that om the least racist person in mah entire neighboorhood....

it seems like everyone is obsessed with race from adults to children....

om such a not a racial thinker that you will never hear da God describing anybody by a racial description while it seems like everyone else has to toss a racial description behind the person they talking about

white man this, black man that, spanish dude this, asian guy that

eye swear you earthlings are obsessed with race and you really are only obsessed with it cuz dividing people up is comfortable to you for sum reason

the last person who ax'd me where eye cum from eye told them outerspace....the big bang

and eye notice that usually people who call the 5 percent racist are they themselves obsessed with race

da last bitch eye fucked with hated the 5 percent based on what she called racism yet all this bitch talked about was race......she and her friends was obsessed with this shit.....so and so is half asian and half spanish....

me on the other hand the only color eye cee is a persons aura

eye used to hang out with this jamaican dude who also hated the 5 percent based on what he called racism yet he also was obsessed with race....thats all he talked about....if we was watching a basketball game and a so called white man made a good play he would say sum shit like "white boy got game"....you never hear none of that shit out mah mouth.....yet dude had a so called white girlfriend and when they got in fights whats the first shit that would come out his mouth to insult her?????

eye call them inverse racists....they hate the 5 percent yet they are obsessed with race yet they always brag about how they date outside their race...and they usuallly have confused ass children

da God whom om planning on getting into the Father Allah's family tree with via Old Man Justice eye have never heard nothing racial comming out his mouth....not at all....while all the religious folks eye know wreak of hypocracy when it comes to a racism free society...

one of the reasons mah Father had so much trouble in harlem was because he wasn't no racist and all the bullshittin ass black nationalist devils was comming after him for that shit....

honestly you get a good 5 percenter and he's gonna be more sensitive to racial matters than your average person

John Nash
10-06-2012, 02:35 PM
ok i dont mind racism though. if its made with a logical point. but there isnt actually any real definition of racism. loosely i think its the belief that there are inherent or genetics traits in people dependant on what "race" theyre from.

in the most loose term i guess im racist cuz i believe people from different usually act differently.

eg i think black people are generally more athletic than white people.

or

i believe japanesse people will b more likely to be better at maths than a black person if theyre given the same education.

but please also note that just cuz an individual is a certain race doesnt mean he/she will have the qualities of that race.

however racism based on hate or just trying to glorify ones race is incredibly stupid.

yes my argument is a bit strawmanesque but u get the point. what if i said that there was a man jim who lived 100 years ago who killed 50 people. even though its plausible would u believe it. probably not.

but this yakub nonsense goes beond that. they evn put a date on it and the thing is white people (as shown by scientific research) lived long before 6600 years ago. a direct contradiction.

and thinking white people created for the intention of evil betrays at worst a hatred or at best a discontent with white people rather than an objective historical analysis of how white people came about.

ive read other things about NOI and i think its stupid. trying to say cuz words and phrases sound similiar they therefore share the same meaning is stupid to me. and the same with numbers.

imo NOI was a result of racism by white people against blacks which resulted in blacks feeling so humiliated that they had to invent lies and fanatical stories to make themselves feel better and to get revenge on whites for doing this to them.

this leads to nonsense such as white people being invented 4 the sole reason of evil.

diggy
10-06-2012, 03:45 PM
eg i think black people are generally more athletic than white people.



You mean more athletic ability?

Is there biological basis for this?

i believe japanesse people will b more likely to be better at maths than a black person if theyre given the same education.

Don't forget culture in this equation. It's usually about culture not skin colour. So when makin these generalizations, we should indicate that certain cultures value certain things higher than other things. Also, family dynamics. A broken family will usually produce poor results in terms of achieving things, while intact families usually produce good results.

There could be other factors as well.

John Nash
10-06-2012, 04:11 PM
You mean more athletic ability?

Is there biological basis for this?



Don't forget culture in this equation. It's usually about culture not skin colour. So when makin these generalizations, we should indicate that certain cultures value certain things higher than other things. Also, family dynamics. A broken family will usually produce poor results in terms of achieving things, while intact families usually produce good results.

There could be other factors as well.

yes but were talking about race not just colour. but i think these values from culture can become hereditary. theres several theories that antisemitism became hereditary. also look at this

pnFojF0Hniw

i think if a race is told a certain virtue or something to strive for it becomes innate. or if a race does a lotta work on muscular strength then theyll naturally b stronger.

i shouldve been more precise with black people having more athletic ability. im talking of afro americans or jamacians that body type. i think tests show they generally have more athletic ability in things that require power. that is both speed and strength. however in things that only require strength whites seem to b better at.

also when people r different colours its not just the colour thats different. its also different body type etc.

diggy
10-06-2012, 05:03 PM
yes but were talking about race not just colour. but i think these values from culture can become hereditary. theres several theories that antisemitism became hereditary. also look at this

pnFojF0Hniw

First of all, race is a recent construct based on a flimsy foundation. There is basically no such thing.

Values from culture becoming hereditary based on what science?

That video means nothing. We are talking about humans not birds.

i think if a race is told a certain virtue or something to strive for it becomes innate. or if a race does a lotta work on muscular strength then theyll naturally b stronger.

Can you prove that?

This caste system of racism we have is based on law, politics, and sex. Certain people are better at certain things than others cuz they have been denied certain opportunities or cuz certain people wanna dominate certain opportunities. These are enforced by popular media and other social mechanisms, and people who try to do something different from their assigned role are treated less than nice. There are laws that go into effect that target certain people more than others. And because certain people have latent genetic traits, they know that to do thing by a fair way, means to probably go extinct, so the system is unfair.

i shouldve been more precise with black people having more athletic ability. im talking of afro americans or jamacians that body type. i think tests show they generally have more athletic ability in things that require power. that is both speed and strength. however in things that only require strength whites seem to b better at.

also when people r different colours its not just the colour thats different. its also different body type etc.

Certain people train from an early age to go into sports. They just happen to be from a certain area with a certain skin colour. The skin colour means nothing in relation to their hard work and acheivement. We really should be talking about their hard work, not skin colour.

People who have different body types could have all sorts of skin colour, while people who have a certain skin colour, do not necessarily have the same body type.

Please educate yourself.

And knowcheeze proved his point by saying this:

and eye notice that usually people who call the 5 percent racist are they themselves obsessed with raceHe wrote that after this (your statement):

what exactly do these lessons teach u apart from racist theories about white people being created 4 the intention of evil.
The one propagating racist theories here is you, son!

Check yoself!!!

John Nash
10-06-2012, 06:07 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(biology) this what i mean by race. true in humans the classification is flimsy but u can generally see people of different races. but yes its not that well developed.

all animals r similiar. humans also have innate fears just like those birds. and now ive come 2 think of it i think its stupid 4 me to say such a brash claim. and there is very little proof of what ive said. ofc there are innate values in the overall human race but to say different races have completely different innate values is i agree stupid of me.

i agree with you and think that its more probably more nurture than nature.

however in a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION if a value was taught over and over again to a certain race i think it would eventually become hereditary.

i also made a thread which is similiar to what were talking about http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118506

i disagree a lot on ur next point about body type. also u keep on mentioning skin colour. im talking more about race than the actual colour.

the average height of a chinese man is far smaller than the average height of a northern european. this is a fact and its not diet or lifestyle. its mostly hereditary.

this is also true of body type and bone structure and muscle structure. people of african ancestory generally have denser bones. which is why u dont get much black swimmers cuz their bodies are more dense which puts them at a disadvantage. but its an advantage in sports such as boxing and sprinting.

its obvious that different races have different body types. sure just look at peoples noses. people of african ancestory will generally have a flatter nose whereas people of european ancestory generallyhave a longer more pointy nose.

but ur also right that its not just nature theres also nurture. but to say that certain races arent more suited to different activities/sports is imo nonsense.

the difference between what im saying about race and what 5 percenters is first most mine isnt subjective. im not trying to say my race is the best at everything. im saying that race effects things such as a persons body type but im not going off some personal whim saying a whole race was created 4 evil. which was a statement made with no factual evidence. and im not obsessed with race. lol.

diggy
10-06-2012, 07:11 PM
i agree with you and think that its more probably more nurture than nature.

however in a HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION if a value was taught over and over again to a certain race i think it would eventually become hereditary.

Could you give an example of a value...?


people of african ancestory generally have denser bones. which is why u dont get much black swimmers cuz their bodies are more dense which puts them at a disadvantage. but its an advantage in sports such as boxing and sprinting.

ok, doing better.



but ur also right that its not just nature theres also nurture. but to say that certain races arent more suited to different activities/sports is imo nonsense.

Not races, but body types. Higher bone density is just one factor for boxing. A boxer still has to box and if a boxer has a heavier tool for boxing and doesn't know how to use it, they could be beat by a boxer with a lighter tool and knows how to use it.

Basketball for example, is not a Black Man's sport, but a tall man's sport. The taller you are, the more advantage is had. No race, just body type. There are/were all kinds of ballers - white, asian, black, - all were tall.



the difference between what im saying about race and what 5 percenters is first most mine isnt subjective. im not trying to say my race is the best at everything. im saying that race effects things such as a persons body type but im not going off some personal whim saying a whole race was created 4 evil. which was a statement made with no factual evidence. and im not obsessed with race. lol.

Did you hear of selective breeding? Humans could find certain traits beautiful or useful and decide to mate another with this trait. The more people find this trait beautiful or useful for a reason for breeding the more it will be common. It starts with values or an idea or like I was saying, culture (the ways of a people).

Blacks could probably take look at things like noses (an example you brought up), and decide to breed only with other blacks who have the narrowest noses within the black people to produce a people who have noses that will not be considered stereotypically black and they will be a new 'race' of people. Selective breeding. So body types, or traits could be changed.

There are exceptions in various races. I've seen a white man with a black mans nose before. So again, not really about race, but most probably about the thing which 'race' is based on - selective breeding.

diggy
10-06-2012, 07:15 PM
As for the yacub story. I've heard it said that it is not a literal story.

june181972
10-06-2012, 08:16 PM
"I thought you two were buddies?"

never heard of this person's name
what name does he or she usually go by?

just the simple fact eye apologized for being a sarchastic asshole
shows that eye actually like this person...its unheard of 4 knowcheeze
to apologize to anybody up in this muthafucka!!!!!

""...Yacob gave his people the Law On Birth Control...was given to the doctors, the ministers, the nurses and cremator...death for them if they reveal the Secret..."

This is what the Lessons say. Only those 4 categories of laborers were trained to kill Black babies. The true purpose of the sojourn on Pelan was kept a secret from the other 59,000+ followers. Verbatim from the Lessons is what you call "semantical wizardry" and "word play". "

and Yaqob is who they took orders from...give it up!!!!!!

"I'm "kowtowing" to the Lessons, you're "kowtowing" to a Wu-Corp Know The Ledge audience."

pure bullshit...the last person eye wanna debate is a 5 percenter or even an 85/10 percenter like you who sincerely thinks they are a 5 percenter
but if you want it eye gotta give it to yah!!!!!

"I've quoted the Lesson at least 2 Times where it states that devil does not have to mean an actual human being. However, you do not care much for the Lessons. "

eye agree...eye cee the lessons saying that a devil doesn't have to mean an actual human being either...

"That Lesson also states:
"...water is not ever drawn above six miles from the Earth's surface by the Sun and moon."
Leaving the moon out of your opinion on this Lesson makes your argument sound better, but once again, you flat out misrepresent the actual Lesson."

defineatly something to think about

"You will post anything in an attempt to "chop my head off here at wu-tang corp"
You quoted a book written by a man whose wisdom you claim you "don't fuckin need" and you have surpassed:"

yeah uhhh...back in the days when eye was a kow-tower eye would put sugar on shit too when debating people about scripture...but then eye realized that Prophets and Messengers are for weak, grafted, stubborn 85's....om a pre-fall of man being and honestly theres verses in the Quran and Bible which are fucking appalling....THe Bible says that whatever God/Devil that Moses was taking orders from told him to go on a fuckin murder spree and kill like 200,000 people..."When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. "<---Exodus 21:20....Jesus in the bible said " Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ."...

The Quran says u can have sex with your wife or your slaves whom your right hand possessess....

THe BIble and Quran both say its okay to kill a animal and eat it...they both say you can steal milk from animals and drink it...

if we as a humans are gonna murder and oppress animals then we shouldn't bitch and moan when other humans murder and oppress other humans....

bottom line...the BIble and Quran are clearly for fuckin savages

Prophets and Messengers are strictly for retards who can't figure out how to live righteoussly on "by themselves"....

the Quran says don't kill your female children!!!!!!LOL

om so happy om free from having to make exuses for murder

om taking it back pre bible and quran to the pre-Egyptian fertile nile valley civilizations...om taking it back to the ancient divine Central American cultures.....I-Ching and Taoism....Taoists don't condone murder!!!!!!
om a natural 5 percenter/Rastafari but first and foremost I AM HIP HOP.......Hip Hop is clearly the most divine culture in existence....and Adyssa Banjoko can kiss mah ass by the way...Hip HOp does not condone murder of innocent people

"But yet you tried to use Message to the Blackman in post #30 to help strengthen your argument"

yes only to chop your head off....

theres basically something you are failing to understand...basically one technique eye use in debating sumone is to BACK THEM INTO A CORNER where they basically expose themselves to be someone who NOBODY should take any advice from much less let them teach them....thats what eye did and thats why om not taking anything you say seriously....

you basically showed your ass....or in other words your bottom line and that is that YOU PERSONALLY have no problems with murdering an innocent baby if the determined idea is to make a better civilization...and furthermore you think that someone is being MELLODRAMATIC if they have problems with thousands of babies being murdered....

you might know the lessons better than me...and thats a big "MIGHT"....but the fact is that YOU ARE NOT A 5 percenter....EYE AM THE 5 percenter....you are a 85'er or a 10 percenter who knows his or her lessons...no fuckin advocate of baby murder is a 5 percenter

knowledge wisdom understanding culture power equality God build destroy born cipha....no advocate of baby murder is representing those qualities...and is NOT a 5 percent

freedom justice equality....no advocate of baby murder is representing that.....

you are basically no different from a white eugenicist...thats why om having trouble deciding if you just a 85er or a 10 percent!!!!

your only real chance of winning this debate is if you come back to the forum under a different name....because one thing eye have proven to everybody here is that you are emphatically NOT a 5 percenter.....if eye could quote the pig in menace to society....you fucked up...you know you fucked up.....LOL

next time don't let people back you into a corner and make you look foolish!!!!!!!!

the most mentally ill sociopathic person can memorize anything and spit it back verbatim.....shit you can memorize every line in every episode of star trek and shit.....but to be a 5 percent you MUST uphold certain principles which you clearly do not

PEACE!!!!!!!!

It should be obvious that I saw your "technique" coming 93,000,000 miles away.
I never fed in to your "baby killing" "kill your foe cracka" "kowtowing" etc... rants.
The purpose of me pointing them out, was to point out that you were repeating them as opposed to using the Lessons.
You were making emotional appeals and attempts at humor, and not really debating anything.
And you should realize that the MORE PEOPLE you appeal to, and even the MORE PEOPLE that would agree with you in this thread, is kind of the antithesis of being a "5%er"

There is a difference between a person flat out condoning a horrific act, and a person knowing, that at some point, great good can result from a horrific act. Even if it takes 1000's of years.

"...why did God make Devil?"
"To show forth HIS Power...All-Wise and Righteous...HE could make a Devil...then, destroy the Devil in one day...show and prove that ALLAH is the God..."

7,8,9,0
God, Build/Destroy, Born, Cipher
Destroy:
1 : to ruin the structure, organic existence, or condition of
2a : to put out of existence : KILL
b : NEUTRALIZE
C : ANNIHILATE, VANQUISH

The Lessons contain True and Living, Infinite Wisdom.

june181972
10-06-2012, 08:24 PM
ive just researched this yakub and it sounds like complete nonsense. theres no evidence 4 the guy ever existing that ive found.
i doubt that eugenics program of his wouldve worked. and also science has shown us white people were on the planet before he was born which just refutes the whole story.

give me 1 piece of proof that he exists.

From another thread:

The Yacub Theory:

If one considers Mendel's Laws, the original Black germ, when procreating, has a 1 in 4 chance of producing a brown baby. Now break those odds down through all of the phenotypes, Black to Brown to Red to Yellow to White. Caucasians are only approximately 1/11 of the Earth's population. But even so, what are the odds of there being that many caucasians without some form of genetic manipulation?

Dr. Jonathan Pritchard, a population geneticist at the University of Chicago:
...list of selected genes includes 5 that affect skin color. The selected versions of the genes occur solely in Europeans and are presumably responsible for pale skin...The finding of 5 skin genes selected 6,600 years ago could imply that Europeans acquired their pale skin much more recently.
According to Dr. Richard G. Klein, a paleoanthropologist at Stanford: ...
there are few skeletons found in Europe older than 10,000 years that look like modern Europeans.
Professor Hans Eiberg's, from the University of Copenhagen, research leads him to believe that:
Blue eye colour most likely originated from the near East area or Northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agriculture migration to the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about 6,000 - 10,000 years ago...The mutation affected a gene called OCA2 and "literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes."
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Black_Sea_map.png/240px-Black_Sea_map.png
Note the proximity of the Black Sea from Eiberg's estimations, and the Aegean Sea of The Yacub Theory.
Note the "6,000 year" estimations from the modern scientists and the "6,000 years" from The Yacub Theory.
Note the "inability" to produce brown eyes, which would imply a complete absence of Black people.

This thread is from 2005. These studies came out in 2006 and 2008 respectively, but lets take dogma out of the equation when considering a scientific matter.
Understood that these studies imply a "natural selection" as opposed to the genetic manipulation of The Yacub Theory, but throw away dogma & objectively look at the similarities.

If one does not like the ideology of the people that introduced the world to Yacob, I know this will not be enough "proof".
However, the theory of Yacob is not nearly as far fetched as it's detractors make it out to be.

John Nash
10-07-2012, 06:02 AM
Could you give an example of a value...?

take for example the spartans. theyd take their children at a very young age and teach them to be savage. theyd train the young boy like that and keep on repeating. this couldve made savageness innate in the spartans. theyd be savage when theyre born and it wouldnt need to b taught as much to them.

a value could b anything from compassion to courage.



ok, doing better.



Not races, but body types. Higher bone density is just one factor for boxing. A boxer still has to box and if a boxer has a heavier tool for boxing and doesn't know how to use it, they could be beat by a boxer with a lighter tool and knows how to use it.

Basketball for example, is not a Black Man's sport, but a tall man's sport. The taller you are, the more advantage is had. No race, just body type. There are/were all kinds of ballers - white, asian, black, - all were tall.

im saying theres a correlation between body types and race. ofc u also need to train. but its nurture and nature. not just one.

and yes basketballs a tall mans sport but theres a higher probability that a black man will be taller than an asian man. and so its more likely to have more black men than asian men.

which is why basketball has more black men.

if every black man didnt train for boxing then ofc there would be more white men boxing. however if both of them train the same amount and have the same diet etc the black man will always have the upper edage cuz of his bone structure.

and ofc to say the black man is better just cuz his skin colour is black is ofc nonsense.

put it like this if it was between an albino of african ancestory and a man of european ancestory and both hade same diet etc id think the albino would be more likely to win.





Did you hear of selective breeding? Humans could find certain traits beautiful or useful and decide to mate another with this trait. The more people find this trait beautiful or useful for a reason for breeding the more it will be common. It starts with values or an idea or like I was saying, culture (the ways of a people).

Blacks could probably take look at things like noses (an example you brought up), and decide to breed only with other blacks who have the narrowest noses within the black people to produce a people who have noses that will not be considered stereotypically black and they will be a new 'race' of people. Selective breeding. So body types, or traits could be changed.

There are exceptions in various races. I've seen a white man with a black mans nose before. So again, not really about race, but most probably about the thing which 'race' is based on - selective breeding.

yes i understand eugenics but my problem was with the bit about yakub creating these people for the intention of evil.

how does breeding humans until theyre more white make them more evil.

i still dont find the theory as convincing as others but that isnt my problem. its he idea if u breed people until theyre more white that they become worse people which is what i got from yakub making them 4 the intention of evil.

John Nash
10-07-2012, 07:04 AM
But even so, what are the odds of there being that many caucasians without some form of genetic manipulation?

lots of different reasons. white people took over lot of the americas and conquered different lands. jumping straight to genetic manipulation is very rash.

...list of selected genes includes 5 that affect skin color. The selected versions of the genes occur solely in Europeans and are presumably responsible for pale skin...The finding of 5 skin genes selected 6,600 years ago could imply that Europeans acquired their pale skin much more recently

most scientists agree that there was 2 different occurences when pale skin first occurred. this is most likely to be the later one.

but yes the dates agree with Yakub.

there are few skeletons found in Europe older than 10,000 years that look like modern Europeans.

i don see how this helps you. the date u said is 6000 years ago so if its 10000 years then european humans couldve been there 9000 and 8000 years ago.

Blue eye colour most likely originated from the near East area or Northwest part of the Black Sea region, where the great agriculture migration to the northern part of Europe took place in the Neolithic periods about 6,000 - 10,000 years ago...The mutation affected a gene called OCA2 and "literally 'turned off' the ability to produce brown eyes."

this guy says its a genetic mutation. not cuz of a sped up evolutionary process of people mating together which is what the story of Yakub is about. so this in fact goes against Yakub. except i agree the dates are similiar.

Note the proximity of the Black Sea from Eiberg's estimations, and the Aegean Sea of The Yacub Theory.
Note the "6,000 year" estimations from the modern scientists and the "6,000 years" from The Yacub Theory.
Note the "inability" to produce brown eyes, which would imply a complete absence of Black people.

yes i agree with the first 2 points. the "inability" to produce brown eyes doesn't imply an absence of black people. it implies a genetic mutation.

also have u heard of Occam's razor. it says the theory with the least assumptions is the more likely theory.

if u introduce Yakub u create a huge amount of assumptions such as people having a gr8 knowedge of science in the agriculture period u believe in a man who has no historical evidence or accounts of his life etc.

if u forget about Yakub u have a theory with less assumptions and therefore a more likely theory.

diggy
10-07-2012, 02:25 PM
take for example the spartans. theyd take their children at a very young age and teach them to be savage. theyd train the young boy like that and keep on repeating. this couldve made savageness innate in the spartans. theyd be savage when theyre born and it wouldnt need to b taught as much to them.

a value could b anything from compassion to courage.

But that is just an idea that it could become innate. There is no proof this really happens.







put it like this if it was between an albino of african ancestory and a man of european ancestory and both hade same diet etc id think the albino would be more likely to win.

Well, the probably would not have the same diet because culturally, some people eat different foods. Your way of looking at who would win is too simplistic. Strategy also comes into play in addition to strength. Matter of fact, their are so many factors that come into play for a person to win against a boxing opponent.







yes i understand eugenics but my problem was with the bit about yakub creating these people for the intention of evil.

how does breeding humans until theyre more white make them more evil.

i still dont find the theory as convincing as others but that isnt my problem. its he idea if u breed people until theyre more white that they become worse people which is what i got from yakub making them 4 the intention of evil.

I'm not qualified to answer that question. I do not propagate the yacub theory.







also have u heard of Occam's razor. it says the theory with the least assumptions is the more likely theory.

if u introduce Yakub u create a huge amount of assumptions such as people having a gr8 knowedge of science in the agriculture period u believe in a man who has no historical evidence or accounts of his life etc.

if u forget about Yakub u have a theory with less assumptions and therefore a more likely theory.


Not exactly.

As a logical principle, Occam's razor would demand that scientists accept the simplest possible theoretical explanation for existing data. However, science has shown repeatedly that future data often supports more complex theories than existing data. Science prefers the simplest explanation that is consistent with the data available at a given time, but the simplest explanation may be ruled out as new data become available. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#cite_note-fn_.28100.29-6)[/URL]

There is little empirical evidence that the world is actually simple or that simple accounts are more likely than complex ones to be true.

There are examples where Occam's razor would have picked the wrong theory given the available data. Simplicity principles are useful philosophical preferences for choosing a more likely theory from among several possibilities that are each consistent with available data. A single instance of Occam's razor picking a wrong theory falsifies the razor as a general principle.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#cite_note-fn_.28110.29-9"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#cite_note-fn_.28110.29-9)Michael Lee and others (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor#cite_note-41)provide cases where a parsimonious approach does not guarantee a correct conclusion and, if based on incorrect working hypotheses or interpretations of incomplete data, may even strongly support a false conclusion.

John Nash
10-07-2012, 04:03 PM
But that is just an idea that it could become innate. There is no proof this really happens.



yes i agreed with this later when i said my judegements were too rash. if u remember me saying that. i think its still plausible that its true but yes totally agree not enough evidence.



Well, the probably would not have the same diet because culturally, some people eat different foods. Your way of looking at who would win is too simplistic. Strategy also comes into play in addition to strength. Matter of fact, their are so many factors that come into play for a person to win against a boxing opponent.

yes i agree and i think ive confused matters by choosing over simplistic scenarios but im gonna revert back to the original point i was making.

ok i dont mind racism though. if its made with a logical point. but there isnt actually any real definition of racism. loosely i think its the belief that there are inherent or genetics traits in people dependant on what "race" theyre from.




even here i wasnt being specific and clear to my point so i'll try and say it again.

i cant exactly remember where i found my original qoute so i'll use wikipedia which had a similiar 1

Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that reflect the racial worldview: the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races". This ideology entails the belief that members of a race share a set of characteristic traits, abilities, or qualities, that traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral characteristics are inherited, and that this inheritance means that races can be ranked as innately superior or inferior to others

basicly the qoute i originally found said the same thing except it excluded "and that this inheritance means that races can be ranked as innately superior or inferior to others"

i was basicly saying i believe some racist things made with logical points. as u can see the definition of racist which i found was in a concise form "the belief that different races have different inherent traits"

u even agreed with some of the things i said such as people of african incestory usually have a more dense bone structure.

but yes some of the things i said were too over simplistic and didnt prove my point well at all.








I'm not qualified to answer that question. I do not propagate the yacub theory.

ok









Not exactly.

i noticed that u got that from wikipedia under the science section of "Occam's razor". ur making a very straw man type comparison. wiki is talking about complex scientific theories. as a theory or model becomes more complex "Occam's razor becomes a less suitable method.

however in the example of Yakub Occam's razor works well. think about it. if u looked at that scientific evidence that june181972 gave but had no idea about yakub would u immediately jump to the conclusion that some scientist had tried a eugenics program to create white people. i dont think so and the idea never entered one of those scientists minds. i think its far too far a jump and Occam's razor works well here.

also i think Occam's razor should be used in this way

Science prefers the simplest explanation that is consistent with the data available at a given time, but the simplest explanation may be ruled out as new data become available. That is, science is open to the possibility that future experiments might support more complex theories than demanded by current data and is more interested in designing experiments to discriminate between competing theories than favoring one theory over another based merely on philosophical principles

if u go by this logic then the simplest explanation consistent with the available data now then yakub probably didnt exist. however if new data was introduced that showed the earlier theory was wrong and that yakub did exist then id refute theold theory.

but for now yakub probably didnt exist.

knewcheeze
10-10-2012, 11:06 AM
"in the most loose term i guess im racist cuz i believe people from different usually act differently.

eg i think black people are generally more athletic than white people.

or

i believe japanesse people will b more likely to be better at maths than a black person if theyre given the same education."

yup...thats pretty much terrible to think like that and it shows you vibrate at a very slow rate...


"but please also note that just cuz an individual is a certain race doesnt mean he/she will have the qualities of that race.

however racism based on hate or just trying to glorify ones race is incredibly stupid."

huh????? look at what you just wrote...just like our baby killer buddy you basically lost all credability to even debate this subject!!!!!!

"yes my argument is a bit strawmanesque but u get the point. what if i said that there was a man jim who lived 100 years ago who killed 50 people. even though its plausible would u believe it. probably not."

eye appreciate you admitting your strawmanism...lol

"but this yakub nonsense goes beond that. they evn put a date on it and the thing is white people (as shown by scientific research) lived long before 6600 years ago. a direct contradiction."

mmmm....what eye get from the lessons that if Yacob did exist it doesn't nessesarily say the product of his murderous diabolical rampage was the first white people ever.....

"and thinking white people created for the intention of evil betrays at worst a hatred or at best a discontent with white people rather than an objective historical analysis of how white people came about."

yeah its pretty shitty especially if one lacks understanding....but lets face it....and this is the big point u are completely bypassing....basically yeah take the Mongols for instance....they was sum savage ass devils....but lets face it....being under the mongols rule wasn't anywhere as terrible is the currently rule of corporate white folks of the whole entire fuckin planet.....the mongols didn't pollute 95 percent of the earths water supply...the mongols didn't build houses with toxic cancer causing materials and toxic ass carpets and shit....the mongols didn't have the planet on the brink of destruction....the mongols didn't put mercury fillings in peoples teeth....eye could give examples all day so owl stop there but if humanity as a whole don't know who they fuckin enemy is then we are indeed DOOMED.....the corporate white man is the enemy to everyone on the planet but most white people don't really know this shit...and now basically everyone on the planet is culturally white anyways....


"ive read other things about NOI and i think its stupid. trying to say cuz words and phrases sound similiar they therefore share the same meaning is stupid to me. and the same with numbers."

this is comming from a person who said this....--->"i believe japanesse people will b more likely to be better at maths than a black person if theyre given the same education"

like eye said...you and baby killer need to kumbayah and.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgKGMIFXYsQ

"mo NOI was a result of racism by white people against blacks which resulted in blacks feeling so humiliated that they had to invent lies and fanatical stories to make themselves feel better and to get revenge on whites for doing this to them."

huh???....the NOI also says that a black dude from waaaay back(trillions upon trillions of years ago???) tryed to kill everyone or damn near everyone on the planet and thats how we got our current moon that you cee in the sky...

"this leads to nonsense such as white people being invented 4 the sole reason of evil."

once again....eye think you are missing the point....people MUST have a healthy dis-trust of the corporate white man....or else!!!!!!!!!!! he will lead you straight to fuckin hell....

PEACE

knewcheeze
10-10-2012, 11:08 AM
"Check yoself!!! "---FMJ

yup...proves mah point...people who critisize 120 are generally racists themselves....usually even worst racists

knewcheeze
10-10-2012, 11:10 AM
"and im not obsessed with race. lol."----rakimkoolgrapwutang

if eye could quote judge mathis...you just purjered yourself

some of that shit that came out your mouth above says otherwise!!!!!

knewcheeze
10-10-2012, 11:21 AM
"It should be obvious that I saw your "technique" coming 93,000,000 miles away."

eye doubt it....or else you wouldn't have exposed your bottom line that you think baby killing is okay in ANY instance and thus discrediting yow self and showing and proving u ain't no 5 percent

"I never fed in to your "baby killing" "kill your foe cracka" "kowtowing" etc... rants."

of course not....you know you fucked up.....you was very eager to change the subject

"The purpose of me pointing them out, was to point out that you were repeating them as opposed to using the Lessons."

all eye had to do is repeat them....why would eye debate anything else when you already lost the debate and your debunked your claim to be a poor righteous teacher?

"You were making emotional appeals and attempts at humor, and not really debating anything."

eye repeat...let your child be murdered and lets cee how cool and collected you are....YOU BULLSHITTIN!!!!!

"And you should realize that the MORE PEOPLE you appeal to, and even the MORE PEOPLE that would agree with you in this thread, is kind of the antithesis of being a "5%er""

your hanging on a cliff...om not trying to appeal to anybody....you wanted it and eye gave it to you.....like eye said from the begginniing....SUGAR ON SHIT BLACK NATIONALIST types...

"There is a difference between a person flat out condoning a horrific act, and a person knowing, that at some point, great good can result from a horrific act. Even if it takes 1000's of years."

so if your child was murdered you would be okay with that if you knew it would bring good 1000 years from now.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgKGMIFXYsQ

"...why did God make Devil?"
"To show forth HIS Power...All-Wise and Righteous...HE could make a Devil...then, destroy the Devil in one day...show and prove that ALLAH is the God..."

all eye can say is thank goodness for the Father Allah who said "I DIDN"T MAKE ANY DEVIL" to bring a clearer understanding.....yes its quite apparent due to the Mass murdering episodes of Moses that sum piece of shit slavemaster Gods ascended the throne of the scientists and did sum really fucked up shit....and what?

""7,8,9,0
God, Build/Destroy, Born, Cipher
Destroy:
1 : to ruin the structure, organic existence, or condition of
2a : to put out of existence : KILL
b : NEUTRALIZE
C : ANNIHILATE, VANQUISH"

and???????
the person who formulated what you just quoted said THE BABIES ARE THE BEST PART......he wasn't down with no baby murder like you are!!!!!!

"The Lessons contain True and Living, Infinite Wisdom."

yes mah 85 percent brother....and its mah duty to teach you

once again thank to the Father Allah who put us on a higher level than the homocidal Gods of the Bible and Quran...thank goodness eye don't have to make up exuses for a bunch of damn murderers and slavemasters!!!!!

PEACE!!!!!!

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
10-10-2012, 12:04 PM
lol at ktl in general.

clean ths shit up sunny.

John Nash
10-12-2012, 01:18 PM
"in the most loose term i guess im racist cuz i believe people from different usually act differently.

eg i think black people are generally more athletic than white people.

or

i believe japanesse people will b more likely to be better at maths than a black person if theyre given the same education."

yup...thats pretty much terrible to think like that and it shows you vibrate at a very slow rate...

if u bothered reading what i later wrote youd realise that i rejected these two statements and i did give valid reasons of why i said them.

id rewrite the first one as 'i believe black people to be better than whte people at certain sports because of their higher bone density'

i'll tell u why i said the second one. all IQ tests (and ive seen no evidence of biasis in any of them) from around the world say that japanesse people on average have a higher IQ than black people. does that mean i think japanese people are overall more intelligent than black people? NO it doesnt cuz IQ tests only test a certain type of intelligence. eg IQ tests dont test for social intellignce. so this doesnt mean that japanese are overall more intelligent. however IQ tests mostly test skills heavily used in maths.

the reason i thought this was is cuz japanese people have used and improved this type of intelligence far more frequently than africans and so it is more innate in them.

but FMJ later showed me that there isnt enough evidence for the innate values theory.

overall i reject the second statement for now cuz of lack of evidence.


"but please also note that just cuz an individual is a certain race doesnt mean he/she will have the qualities of that race.

however racism based on hate or just trying to glorify ones race is incredibly stupid."

huh????? look at what you just wrote...just like our baby killer buddy you basically lost all credability to even debate this subject!!!!!!

r u trying 2 say i wrote racist comments based on hatred or me trying to glorify my race. can u please show me these comments. i dont have hatred and i wasnt trying to glorify my race.

"yes my argument is a bit strawmanesque but u get the point. what if i said that there was a man jim who lived 100 years ago who killed 50 people. even though its plausible would u believe it. probably not."

eye appreciate you admitting your strawmanism...lol

"but this yakub nonsense goes beond that. they evn put a date on it and the thing is white people (as shown by scientific research) lived long before 6600 years ago. a direct contradiction."

mmmm....what eye get from the lessons that if Yacob did exist it doesn't nessesarily say the product of his murderous diabolical rampage was the first white people ever.....

"and thinking white people created for the intention of evil betrays at worst a hatred or at best a discontent with white people rather than an objective historical analysis of how white people came about."

yeah its pretty shitty especially if one lacks understanding....but lets face it....and this is the big point u are completely bypassing....basically yeah take the Mongols for instance....they was sum savage ass devils....but lets face it....being under the mongols rule wasn't anywhere as terrible is the currently rule of corporate white folks of the whole entire fuckin planet.....the mongols didn't pollute 95 percent of the earths water supply...the mongols didn't build houses with toxic cancer causing materials and toxic ass carpets and shit....the mongols didn't have the planet on the brink of destruction....the mongols didn't put mercury fillings in peoples teeth....eye could give examples all day so owl stop there but if humanity as a whole don't know who they fuckin enemy is then we are indeed DOOMED.....the corporate white man is the enemy to everyone on the planet but most white people don't really know this shit...and now basically everyone on the planet is culturally white anyways....

mongols have been around for 1000s of years but im gonna guess that u mean the mongols under gengis khan. and i can say for absolute certain that these mongols whose only meaning in life was to take over different countries and did it in the most barbaric fashion possible is far worse than the white corporate man. and no group of people rules the entire planet.

ive never heard most of the examples youve sai b4. can u give evidence of people putting mercury fillings into other peoples teeth or using toxic carpets and toxic materials that cause cancer.

by corporate white man im guessing u mean the british and american government. i can tell u 4 absolute certain that there are far worse form of governments. have u seen sub sahara africa. people there are extremely poor cuz theyre mainly being ruled by rich dictators who take all their money. its such a backward place. most cultures go through dictators and then turn to democracy. but most countries did this a long time ago. and this problem has nothing 2 do with white people. also look at places like thailand with its child prostitution.

i dont think its fair to say most people are culturally white and the main enemy is any corrupt man in power.


"ive read other things about NOI and i think its stupid. trying to say cuz words and phrases sound similiar they therefore share the same meaning is stupid to me. and the same with numbers."

this is comming from a person who said this....--->"i believe japanesse people will b more likely to be better at maths than a black person if theyre given the same education"

like eye said...you and baby killer need to kumbayah and.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgKGMIFXYsQ

i already said why i said that and later rejected. i dont think what i said was stupid. u could see why i said that. however try and tell any philologist that 'televisually' and 'tell lies visually' have the same meaning and he'll laugh in ur face. and a philologist will prove how ur wrong.

"mo NOI was a result of racism by white people against blacks which resulted in blacks feeling so humiliated that they had to invent lies and fanatical stories to make themselves feel better and to get revenge on whites for doing this to them."

huh???....the NOI also says that a black dude from waaaay back(trillions upon trillions of years ago???) tryed to kill everyone or damn near everyone on the planet and thats how we got our current moon that you cee in the sky...

is NOI not the group that says "black man is god, white man is the devil"

i think that says enough

"this leads to nonsense such as white people being invented 4 the sole reason of evil."

once again....eye think you are missing the point....people MUST have a healthy dis-trust of the corporate white man....or else!!!!!!!!!!! he will lead you straight to fuckin hell....

PEACE

as i said b4 people must b suspicious any corrupt man in power and should in fact be suspicious of any person in power no matter what colour.

John Nash
10-12-2012, 01:20 PM
"and im not obsessed with race. lol."----rakimkoolgrapwutang

if eye could quote judge mathis...you just purjered yourself

some of that shit that came out your mouth above says otherwise!!!!!

ive only talked about race on this thread in this entire forum. im pretty sure youve probably got more posts about 'race'

knewcheeze
10-15-2012, 12:06 PM
"if u bothered reading what i later wrote youd realise that i rejected these two statements and i did give valid reasons of why i said them."

yeah true...eye guess the whole "ok i dont mind racism though. if its made with a logical point." quote from you kinda threw me off a lil shum...eye recant mah perjury accusation....LOL

om just wondering why you gotta problem with 120 since you don't mind racism and most certainly if one was 2 read the lessons from the perspective of a racist or racial thinker it would certainly be the highest quality of racism on the market....cuz like eye said....da global system of white supremacy is the enemy of all people....including the poor folks out in the applachian mountains strung out on mountain dew, crystal meth and mine shaft dust...shit...eye mean do u know of a mow better more practical form of racism???? one that will free humanity from the current world ruler...om all about practicality

"id rewrite the first one as 'i believe black people to be better than whte people at certain sports because of their higher bone density"

good luck with alll that

i'll tell u why i said the second one. all IQ tests (and ive seen no evidence of biasis in any of them) from around the world say that japanesse people on average have a higher IQ than black people. does that mean i think japanese people are overall more intelligent than black people? NO it doesnt cuz IQ tests only test a certain type of intelligence. eg IQ tests dont test for social intellignce. so this doesnt mean that japanese are overall more intelligent. however IQ tests mostly test skills heavily used in maths."

perhaps om wrong but personally eye would say japanease and so called far east asians are better at math because they sum of the biggest sellouts on the planet....as hairbrained as this theory sounds eye think people who are suffering under the yoke of the current world ruler(the global system of white supremacy) identify higher mathmatics with their oppressor...here in Northern Virginia eye have gotten to know the culture of Americanized South Koreans, South Vietnamease and the other far east asian white man cock sucking sellouts and they just terrible people in general...they problably really good at math but they sum disgusting elitist people in general...IQ tests don't measure shit like that...its better to be proficient in supreme math than what is known as higher mathmatics

"the reason i thought this was is cuz japanese people have used and improved this type of intelligence far more frequently than africans and so it is more innate in them."

Japan isn't sitting on the continent with the most resources...they have not dealt with anywhere the amount of theivery and murder...exotic animals are what is hunted the most....Africans have suffered the most genocide....


"but FMJ later showed me that there isnt enough evidence for the innate values theory.

overall i reject the second statement for now cuz of lack of evidence."

lovely!!!!!!

"r u trying 2 say i wrote racist comments based on hatred or me trying to glorify my race. can u please show me these comments. i dont have hatred and i wasnt trying to glorify my race."

perhaps..eye already admitted eye mis-read and was confused by what you wrote...

"mongols have been around for 1000s of years but im gonna guess that u mean the mongols under gengis khan."

emphatically YES!!!!!!


"and i can say for absolute certain that these mongols whose only meaning in life was to take over different countries and did it in the most barbaric fashion possible is far worse than the white corporate man. and no group of people rules the entire planet."

hmmmm....ATOM BOMBS and so on and so forth??????....the mongols using old school weaponry to take over countries is far worse than atom bombs and the lot....are you serious???? listen son...the corporate white man's rule of the planet has been 1000 times more barbaric than the mongols rule and like eye said...at least the mongols didn't destroy the enviornment...and yes...the current world ruler is the global system of white supremacy....if you can't admit this you really need 120 or read a Dr. Frances Cress Welsing book or sum shit!!!!!!! eye could give 10,000 examples of how much more savage the current world ruler is....in Columbia south america under the guise of the war on drugs they sprayed chemicals from airplanes to eradicate the "illigal crops" and it fucked up the rivers.....thats just one example.....you really can't be serious???

"ive never heard most of the examples youve sai b4. can u give evidence of people putting mercury fillings into other peoples teeth or using toxic carpets and toxic materials that cause cancer."

dentists used to put mercury fillings in teeth...eye was born in 1977 and eye had a mercury filling in mah teeth.....they still do put mercury fillings in teeth if the patient in un-educated....look...if your not aware of the toxic materials in carpets eye can't do nothing for you man....every house built in the united states is built with materials which cause cancer....unless your name is Storm Talifero or sum shit

"by corporate white man im guessing u mean the british and american government. i can tell u 4 absolute certain that there are far worse form of governments. have u seen sub sahara africa. people there are extremely poor cuz theyre mainly being ruled by rich dictators who take all their money. its such a backward place. most cultures go through dictators and then turn to democracy. but most countries did this a long time ago. and this problem has nothing 2 do with white people. also look at places like thailand with its child prostitution."

when an organic leader stepped up in Africa or Asia to lead the people to freethemselves from Colonialism the CIA and they allies murdered the mothafucka.....go study Patrice LUmumba...thats just one example....furthermore....you gonna find the biggest prostitution problems in countries that have a european puppetter behind it.....take cuba for instance....when the USA puppet Batista was in power in Cuba it was soddom and gammorah out there.....it was a den of faggots, Mafia, prostitutes and pimps and generally bad people....it was aparthied....the citizens of Cuba was in terrible shape.....people getting tortured...no education no healthcare.....then comes the Barbudo's out da Sierra Maestra and from 1959-1963 the USA had committed about 2000 acts of terrorism against Castro and Che who had the peoples support.....take Libya for instance....it was the HIGHEST RATED AFRICAN COUNTRY in terms of quality of life....education, healthcare.....plus Ghadaffi wouldn't let them savage ass Arabs impose they savage ass Sharai law and shit........and look what happened.....you really need to read a god damned book!!!!!!!!

"i dont think its fair to say most people are culturally white and the main enemy is any corrupt man in power."

its the truth

"i already said why i said that and later rejected. i dont think what i said was stupid. u could see why i said that. however try and tell any philologist that 'televisually' and 'tell lies visually' have the same meaning and he'll laugh in ur face. and a philologist will prove how ur wrong."

okay

"is NOI not the group that says "black man is god, white man is the devil"

the NOI group is only one group in 5 percent umbrella
furthermore the NOI teaches that a black man tryed to blow up the fuckin planet and kill everyone and ended up creating our moon
the NOI teaches that a big headed black man and 59,999 black followers of his murdered in cold blood what must of been tens of thousands of black babies....

if you look deeper into those lessons you would cee

the Father Allah(the founder of what is known as the Nation of Gods and Earths another group in the 5 percent umbrella) said that the worst devil is a black devil cuz you can't cee him comming

"as i said b4 people must b suspicious any corrupt man in power and should in fact be suspicious of any person in power no matter what colour"

eye agree!!!!!!!

Protect ya Neck!
10-15-2012, 10:25 PM
Peace, I'm gonna try to bring an understanding to this debate on if yacub is a god or devil as well as prove to rakimkool that yacub is real so follow me on this.

Allah is all wise and righteous. Yacub was an original black man. This we all know. Yacub was BORN MENTALLY in the year 8400 of the asiatic calendar. Physically through the womb in 8367 of the asiatic calendar.

Yacub was a MADE devil in the year 8400. Just because one has black skin, doesn't mean he can do anything and still be Allah. black people can have a "white mind", and white people can have a "black mind"

33-1/40 What is a real devil.

"ANY grafted man which is made weak and wicked or any live grafted germ from original is devil."

THE devil(physical AND mentally) was born into existence 6020 years ago(From the date 1934 when this lesson was brought forth). According to the asiatic calendar the devil(white gene) was in existence 80 years before fully complete. Which makes sense because the devil was only in the holy lands for 6 months causing trouble until he was kicked out in the year 9001. No 6 month old baby is causing trouble lol. 8+0=8. 8th degree in the student enrollment asks "How much of this useful land is used by the colored man?". The colored man uses 6 million square miles. 6 million square miles of the what...brain!

1934-6020 = 4086

4+0+8+6=18
1+8=9

There were 3 pigments destroyed in the process of making the devil. black, brown and yellow.

what year was the devil born in? 9000. The three zeroes representing the pigments destroyed. Yacub was born(again mentally) in the year 8400. It took 600 years for the devil to be completed which is the year 9000. 2000 years before musa came to teach the devil their forgotten trick knowledge.

However if you kill every white person on the planet, the devil will still be here, because in the atom you have protons and electrons. As well what it says in the understanding cipher(30) degree in the 1/40s.

"tell us what and how the devil is made"

the devil is made from the original people by separating and grafting the germs. IN THE BLACK MAN'S BODY THERE EXIST TWO GERMS. These two germs are called Eumelanin. One is black and one is brown. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eumelanin#Eumelanin

"What was the name of the place where the devil was manufactured?"

Pelan, the same as patmos. Rev - 1: 9. An island situated on the agean sea. An island is surrounded by water. Your brain is surrounded by water, and is where the devil is manufactured. Where did yacub go to manufacture the devil? pelan, the same as patmos. when you add the letters of pelan you get 48(culture destroy), when you add up patmos you get 84(build culture). 48 represents the total number of shades destroyed in the black man. There are 3 pigments in the blackman(black, brown, and yellow). 48/3=16. When one looks at the 28th degree in the 1-40s it says that all those not good in multiplying would marry at the age of 16. what about those that WERE good in multiplying that Yacub wanted? Elijah was taught by WD Fard for 3 and a half years. The Father was in the NOI for 3 and a half years. So 16-3.5=12.5. The 84 when two zeroes are added on becomes 8400. The two zeroes representing the 2 germs in the black man.

How can one show and prove that the yacub story is real? I'm showing you now. How many shades are there in a pigment? 16. So 16x12.5=200. It takes 200 years to destroy a pigment. 200x3=600. 600 years to make a devil.

For the poster saying yacub is not real, he is real. He's even in the bible. Now was he a Real living person at one time or was the image of a 'big headed scientist' just there to paint the picture, making the science of mutation easier to explain, who knows, but math don't lie sun. I recommend this book for anyone rejecting the yacub story on face value. It goes into the historic side of the story showing and proving the story with tons of evidence. http://www.amazon.com/Making-Whiteman-Tradition-Teachings-Muhammad/dp/B0006PAXEC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350353726&sr=8-1&keywords=making+of+the+whiteman

Also read message to the blackman and theology of time to see the yacub story in full(not a summary on wikipedia or w/e)and some of the dates I talked about. Also keep in mind that a lot of the dates in our lessons are years old, so just because if you see our lesson saying that there are 4,400,000,000 black people in the world, doesn't mean that's how many black people there are today. Same with the yacub story, we don't use the lessons as just information to remember, at least in the nation of gods and earths we don't. I can't speak for the NOI members. It's all about how they relate to one's life.

Now going back to was yacub a devil or a god. EVERY blackman is god by nature from the physical point regardless of whom or what. However mentally, the devil can be in a black body or a white body. It doesn't matter. You can't really destroy the devil like it says in the lessons because matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed.

So in conclusion, was yacub a devil. yes, he was(Mentally). Allah doesn't make devils. Yacub does. Physically, he was god, an original man, and that can't be changed.

John: 8:44 - You are of your father the devil(4th degree in the 1-14s)and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. when he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Just because the people behind 9/11 didn't die in those planes, does that make them any less responsible for what happened? And it says in the culture degree in the 1/14s that "he taught the devil to do this devilishment."

And with that that I say peace everybody.

knewcheeze
10-16-2012, 11:19 AM
wow!!!!!!!!

"You can't really destroy the devil like it says in the lessons because matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed."

yup

PEACE!!!!!!!!

Protect ya Neck!
10-16-2012, 04:03 PM
And to add on. The year 8400.

8+4+0+0=12

12-1/36 "Yes sir that makes him other than his own self."

What was Yacub's ownself? It was god. Physically, he will always be god for he was an original black man, but mentally in the year 8400, the mentality of the devil(or yacub)was born. Mind creates matter, and thus the mentality of the devil had to be founded first(8400) before the physical existed(8920).

Further proving yacub is real. I'll show proof from the bible

In the holy books, Yacub, Jacob, Israel, and John of patmos are all the same.

Gen 30:26, 28, 32 shows yacub asking for his wages/helpers
Gen 30:35,37,40 show the grafting process.

Exodus 1:16 shows the nurse's duty of killing all the black babies and saving the brown babies

Now Gen 25:23 says

And the lord said to her:

Two nations are in your womb, two peoples shall be separated from your body one people shall be stronger than the other, and the older shall serve the younger."

In school, one learns the black gene is genetically dominant, and the white gene is recessive. It's also well accepted that black people are the original people of the planet(oldest), yet we are on the bottom to the young white "race"(white supremacy).

Now Jacob had a brother, whose name was Esau. Esau was supposed to be given the birthright by Isaac, however Jacob(Yacub) STOLE it from Esau. That's a devilish thing to do.

That shit is being manifested right in front of eyes in a couple ways. The 1st way is the fact that the original people were suppose to receive that birthright(which was to have control over the planet)not the european. The other way this wisdom is being manifested is this.

Later, Jacob wrestles with god and gets his name changed to Israel. Israel is a supplanter(one who takes something from it's rightful owner). These fake jews in Israel today are Yacub's children in the flesh.

So you see rakimkool, yacub is indeed 100% real.

diggy
10-16-2012, 04:13 PM
That's interesting.

Keep building.

John Nash
10-18-2012, 03:25 PM
theres no proof in here for yacub. just cuz u assign certain characteristics to the arabic number systems (which isnt the oldest number system which means supreme mathematics wasnt used in ancient times). also why do you use base 10 and not another base. this number system was taught to africans and afro americans by white people. i thought percenters werent supposed to use things that were taught to them by the devils. why dont 5 percenters use an african numerical system.

Peace, I'm gonna try to bring an understanding to this debate on if yacub is a god or devil as well as prove to rakimkool that yacub is real so follow me on this.

Allah is all wise and righteous. Yacub was an original black man. This we all know. Yacub was BORN MENTALLY in the year 8400 of the asiatic calendar. wheres the evidence for this. Physically through the womb in 8367 of the asiatic calendar. wheres the evidence

Yacub was a MADE devil in the year 8400. evidence? Just because one has black skin, doesn't mean he can do anything and still be Allah. black people can have a "white mind", and white people can have a "black mind"

33-1/40 What is a real devil.

"ANY grafted man which is made weak and wicked or any live grafted germ from original is devil."

THE devil(physical AND mentally) was born into existence 6020 years ago(From the date 1934 when this lesson was brought forth). evidence? According to the asiatic calendar the devil(white gene) was in existence 80 years before fully complete. evidence? Which makes sense because the devil was only in the holy lands for 6 months causing trouble until he was kicked out in the year 9001. evidence? No 6 month old baby is causing trouble lol. 8+0=8. 8th degree in the student enrollment asks "How much of this useful land is used by the colored man?". The colored man uses 6 million square miles. 6 million square miles of the what...brain! just cuz 8+0=8 doesnt mean it has anything to do with an 8th degree. look at fox f is 6th letter o is 15th and x is 24th 0+6=6 1+5=6 2+4=6 and we get 666. does this mean the fox is the devil. no it definitely doesnt.

1934-6020 = 4086

4+0+8+6=18
1+8=9

There were 3 pigments destroyed in the process of making the devil. black, brown and yellow.

what year was the devil born in? 9000. evidence? The three zeroes representing the pigments destroyed. how exactly does a 0 represent a pigment Yacub was born(again mentally) in the year 8400. It took 600 years for the devil to be completed which is the year 9000. 2000 years before musa came to teach the devil their forgotten trick knowledge. any evidence 4 all these numbers.

However if you kill every white person on the planet, the devil will still be here, because in the atom you have protons and electrons. As well what it says in the understanding cipher(30) degree in the 1/40s. how exactly do protons ensure the continuation of the devil

"tell us what and how the devil is made"

the devil is made from the original people by separating and grafting the germs. IN THE BLACK MAN'S BODY THERE EXIST TWO GERMS. These two germs are called Eumelanin. One is black and one is brown. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eumelanin#Eumelanin seperating and grafting seems to refer to genetic mutation and not a eugenics program

"What was the name of the place where the devil was manufactured?"

Pelan, the same as patmos. Rev - 1: 9. An island situated on the agean sea. An island is surrounded by water. Your brain is surrounded by water, and is where the devil is manufactured. Where did yacub go to manufacture the devil? pelan, the same as patmos. boats are also surrounded by water. why is the devil made in the brain rather than in a boat.when you add the letters of pelan you get 48(culture destroy), when you add up patmos you get 84(build culture). again how exactly does 4 refer to build/destroy. why cant 5 refer to build/destroy 48 represents the total number of shades destroyed in the black man. There are 3 pigments in the blackman(black, brown, and yellow). 48/3=16. When one looks at the 28th degree in the 1-40s it says that all those not good in multiplying would marry at the age of 16. theres also a show called 16 and pregnant. why does the 16 refer to the age when people will marry and not a TV show. what about those that WERE good in multiplying that Yacub wanted? Elijah was taught by WD Fard for 3 and a half years. The Father was in the NOI for 3 and a half years. So 16-3.5=12.5. The 84 when two zeroes are added on becomes 8400. The two zeroes representing the 2 germs in the black man. again how does 0 represent the germs.

How can one show and prove that the yacub story is real? I'm showing you now. How many shades are there in a pigment? 16. So 16x12.5=200. It takes 200 years to destroy a pigment. 200x3=600. 600 years to make a devil. u didnt give any evidence

For the poster saying yacub is not real, he is real. He's even in the bible. Now was he a Real living person at one time or was the image of a 'big headed scientist' just there to paint the picture, making the science of mutation easier to explain, who knows, but math don't lie sun. I recommend this book for anyone rejecting the yacub story on face value. It goes into the historic side of the story showing and proving the story with tons of evidence. http://www.amazon.com/Making-Whiteman-Tradition-Teachings-Muhammad/dp/B0006PAXEC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350353726&sr=8-1&keywords=making+of+the+whiteman ur not using maths. ur giving certain numbers certain characteristics for no real concrete reason. its all just dogma.

Also read message to the blackman and theology of time to see the yacub story in full(not a summary on wikipedia or w/e)and some of the dates I talked about. Also keep in mind that a lot of the dates in our lessons are years old, so just because if you see our lesson saying that there are 4,400,000,000 black people in the world, doesn't mean that's how many black people there are today. Same with the yacub story, we don't use the lessons as just information to remember, at least in the nation of gods and earths we don't. I can't speak for the NOI members. It's all about how they relate to one's life.

Now going back to was yacub a devil or a god. EVERY blackman is god by nature from the physical point regardless of whom or what. However mentally, the devil can be in a black body or a white body. It doesn't matter. You can't really destroy the devil like it says in the lessons because matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed.

So in conclusion, was yacub a devil. yes, he was(Mentally). Allah doesn't make devils. Yacub does. Physically, he was god, an original man, and that can't be changed.

John: 8:44 - You are of your father the devil(4th degree in the 1-14s)and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. when he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

Just because the people behind 9/11 didn't die in those planes, does that make them any less responsible for what happened? And it says in the culture degree in the 1/14s that "he taught the devil to do this devilishment."

And with that that I say peace everybody.

i might read that book u mentioned if i have time. but right now im reading "untimely meditations" by nietzsche and then im gonna read "the idiot" by dostoyevsky

John Nash
10-18-2012, 03:51 PM
Later, Jacob wrestles with god and gets his name changed to Israel. Israel is a supplanter(one who takes something from it's rightful owner). These fake jews in Israel today are Yacub's children in the flesh.

So you see rakimkool, yacub is indeed 100% real.

how do u know that this yacub and this jacob r the same people.

Protect ya Neck!
10-18-2012, 04:00 PM
theres no proof in here for yacub. just cuz u assign certain characteristics to the arabic number systems (which isnt the oldest number system which means supreme mathematics wasnt used in ancient times). also why do you use base 10 and not another base. this number system was taught to africans and afro americans by white people. i thought percenters werent supposed to use things that were taught to them by the devils. why dont 5 percenters use an african numerical system.

wheres the evidence for this. wheres the evidence

evidence? . evidence? evidence? evidence? just cuz 8+0=8 doesnt mean it has anything to do with an 8th degree. look at fox f is 6th letter o is 15th and x is 24th 0+6=6 1+5=6 2+4=6 and we get 666. does this mean the fox is the devil. no it definitely doesnt.

evidence? how exactly does a 0 represent a pigment any evidence 4 all these numbers.

how exactly do protons ensure the continuation of the devil

seperating and grafting seems to refer to genetic mutation and not a eugenics program

boats are also surrounded by water. why is the devil made in the brain rather than in a boat. again how exactly does 4 refer to build/destroy. why cant 5 refer to build/destroy theres also a show called 16 and pregnant. why does the 16 refer to the age when people will marry and not a TV show. again how does 0 represent the germs.

u didnt give any evidence

ur not using maths. ur giving certain numbers certain characteristics for no real concrete reason. its all just dogma.



i might read that book u mentioned if i have time. but right now im reading "untimely meditations" by nietzsche and then im gonna read "the idiot" by dostoyevsky

Read message to the blackman, making of the whiteman, theology of time and read some more on the NOI and the nation of gods & earths. Again like the original question of the thread. These teachings/lessons are all not meant to be taken 100% literal. Like the bible and quran each person who studies these lessons can get an understanding from it and apply it to their life, and actually see it before their eyes. For example yacub. a lot of people take that story on face value thinking it's REAL history in the sense that there was a big headed black guy on pelan, when in reality a black man who's doing devil things(lie cheat steal kill) is who? Yacub!

check this out, maybe you'll get a better understanding hearing it from a god in person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtBoYL4QCk&playnext=1&list=PL0F49207CA2A48391&feature=results_video

Protect ya Neck!
10-18-2012, 04:07 PM
how do u know that this yacub and this jacob r the same people.

Yacub is arabic for jacob

John Nash
10-18-2012, 04:40 PM
Yacub is arabic for jacob

yes i knew that but i meant how do you know those two jacubs are the same jacob. eg abraham lincoln isnt the same as abraham in the bible.

u cant just assume theyre the same person.

Protect ya Neck!
10-18-2012, 05:04 PM
yes i knew that but i meant how do you know those two jacubs are the same jacob. eg abraham lincoln isnt the same as abraham in the bible.

u cant just assume theyre the same person.

because of those bible verses in genesis I listed detailing the events of the yacub story.

gen 30:37

now jacob took for himself rods of green poplar and of the almond and chestnut trees, peeled white strips in them, and exposed the white which was in the rods.

gen 30:40

then jacob seperated the lambs, and made the flocks face toward the streaked and all the brown in the flock of laban; but he put his own flocks by themselves and did put them with laban's flock.

one of our lessons goes like this:

tell us what and how the devil is made?

the devil is made from the original people by grafting and separating the germs. in the black man's body there exist 2 germs, a black germ and a brown germ. yacub with his law on birth control separated the brown germ from the black germ and grafted it into white by destroying the black germ. After following this process for 600 years, the germ became white and was no more original. also by thinning the original blood, the germ became weak and wicked and was no more the same. thus this is how yacub made the devil.

Kephrem
10-19-2012, 02:02 AM
Further proving yacub is real. I'll show proof from the bible

In the holy books, Yacub, Jacob, Israel, and John of patmos are all the same.



How is John of Patmos the same as Jacob/Israel?

Exodus 1:16 shows the nurse's duty of killing all the black babies and saving the brown babies

In what translation does it say this?



Now Gen 25:23 says

And the lord said to her:

Two nations are in your womb, two peoples shall be separated from your body one people shall be stronger than the other, and the older shall serve the younger."

In school, one learns the black gene is genetically dominant, and the white gene is recessive. It's also well accepted that black people are the original people of the planet(oldest), yet we are on the bottom to the young white "race"(white supremacy).

The older if read here in the proper context is Esau not Jacob...he's older by being the first of the two paternal twins born. The descendents of Esau/the Edomites served Jacob - the Black man (the stronger) - many times in history in the ancient world.

Now Jacob had a brother, whose name was Esau. Esau was supposed to be given the birthright by Isaac, however Jacob(Yacub) STOLE it from Esau. That's a devilish thing to do.


Jacob actually took what was his - as was previously prophesied - read Genesis 25:23 again.

That shit is being manifested right in front of eyes in a couple ways. The 1st way is the fact that the original people were suppose to receive that birthright(which was to have control over the planet)not the european.


The black man did indeed recieve the birthright. It has manifested in times past and will again in the future.

Later, Jacob wrestles with god and gets his name changed to Israel. Israel is a supplanter(one who takes something from it's rightful owner).


The name Israel means Prince of God. YasharAhla/Yisrael/Israel= Ya/Is = He Shar/Ra =Prince Ahla/El = Power (Allah/God)

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.


These fake jews in Israel today are Yacub's children in the flesh.


Why do you call them fake but also the descendents of the Biblical Jacob?

More Study (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2242483&postcount=32) is needed.


Shaalam

John Nash
10-19-2012, 10:59 AM
Read message to the blackman, making of the whiteman, theology of time and read some more on the NOI and the nation of gods & earths. Again like the original question of the thread. These teachings/lessons are all not meant to be taken 100% literal. Like the bible and quran each person who studies these lessons can get an understanding from it and apply it to their life, and actually see it before their eyes. For example yacub. a lot of people take that story on face value thinking it's REAL history in the sense that there was a big headed black guy on pelan, when in reality a black man who's doing devil things(lie cheat steal kill) is who? Yacub!

check this out, maybe you'll get a better understanding hearing it from a god in person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rtBoYL4QCk&playnext=1&list=PL0F49207CA2A48391&feature=results_video

but if things cant be taken 100% literal they cant be considered proof. u cant try and build up evidence based on symbolism and metaphor.

i thought according to u that a devil wasnt how evil somebody is, instead a devil is something that has changed from the original and that u call this original thing "god".
u even said this When we say the white man is the devil it's because he is. Devil doesn't necessarily mean evil. It just the opposite of god. What may be good for black people, may not be good for white people, and what may be good for white people may not be good for black people. So there really is no such thing as good and bad. We all just try to do what's in the best interest of people. so why exctly are lieing and cheating devil things. they look more like evil things and not necessarily devil things.

yet if u say something as general as "a black man who's doing devil things(lie cheat steal kill) is who? Yacub!" then u can say every black person is yacub cuz every black man has lied at some point in his life.

John Nash
10-19-2012, 12:17 PM
because of those bible verses in genesis I listed detailing the events of the yacub story.

gen 30:37

now jacob took for himself rods of green poplar and of the almond and chestnut trees, peeled white strips in them, and exposed the white which was in the rods.

gen 30:40

then jacob seperated the lambs, and made the flocks face toward the streaked and all the brown in the flock of laban; but he put his own flocks by themselves and did put them with laban's flock.

one of our lessons goes like this:

tell us what and how the devil is made?

the devil is made from the original people by grafting and separating the germs. in the black man's body there exist 2 germs, a black germ and a brown germ. yacub with his law on birth control separated the brown germ from the black germ and grafted it into white by destroying the black germ. After following this process for 600 years, the germ became white and was no more original. also by thinning the original blood, the germ became weak and wicked and was no more the same. thus this is how yacub made the devil.

the only common thing between yacub and jacob is that they both have a knowledge on animal breeding.
but theres key differences. yakub used humans, jacob used goats, yakub wanted to create white people, jacob wanted to create speckled and brown goats. he actually rejected white goats as well
33 And my honesty will testify for me in the future, whenever you check on the wages you have paid me. Any goat in my possession that is not speckled or spotted, or any lamb that is not dark-colored, will be considered stolen.

also yakub created white people through a eugenics program of making lighter skinned people mate with eachother.

jacob used a totally different method in which he made goats look at rods which were striped white and black and also by looking at black and white goats from labans herd.

totally different methods. jacobs doesnt involve any splitting of germs.

also yakub seems to want weaker people. u said he thineed the blood to do this. jacob wanted the opposite effect. he wanted his speckled flock 2 b stronger.

41 Whenever the stronger females were in heat, Jacob would place the branches in the troughs in front of the animals so they would mate near the branches, 42 but if the animals were weak, he would not place them there. So the weak animals went to Laban and the strong ones to Jacob. 43 In this way the man grew exceedingly prosperous and came to own large flocks, and female and male servants, and camels and donkeys

Protect ya Neck!
10-19-2012, 12:30 PM
Well it's becoming to the point where I'm just repeating myself, and I don't want to lose any more time so Im going to end with this.

basic math of life

1. knowledge
2. wisdom
3. understanding

In order to understand something you must know the said subject, and in order to get a proper understanding you have to put it to use(wisdom)

So the 1st step for everyone here who has questions is to read those books. Message to the blackman has a whole chapter for the devil and yacub.

The next step would be to go over everything I've said, and watch some videos of the NOI and the gods and how they use the lessons. Both have their own way of using them.

Once you do those you will get an understanding. Either you'll understand and want to learn more, don't understand and reject it, or understand it and reject it, which is ok with me. If you're a christian, continue being christian, if you are a muslim, keep being that. Sound travels at 1,120 ft per sec, light travels at the rate of 186,000 miles per sec, so since neither is being used to teach, it's not surprising nobody is receiving the light.

Peace

Kephrem
10-19-2012, 04:06 PM
Show and Prove

Kephrem
10-20-2012, 11:38 PM
:learning:


How is John of Patmos the same as Jacob/Israel?



In what translation does it say this?





The older if read here in the proper context is Esau not Jacob...he's older by being the first of the two paternal twins born. The descendents of Esau/the Edomites served Jacob - the Black man (the stronger) - many times in history in the ancient world.




Jacob actually took what was his - as was previously prophesied - read Genesis 25:23 again.




The black man did indeed recieve the birthright. It has manifested in times past and will again in the future.




The name Israel means Prince of God. YasharAhla/Yisrael/Israel= Ya/Is = He Shar/Ra =Prince Ahla/El = Power (Allah/God)

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.





Why do you call them fake but also the descendents of the Biblical Jacob?

More Study (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2242483&postcount=32) is needed.


Shaalam

knewcheeze
10-21-2012, 11:03 AM
So Kephrem....did God really instruct Moses to slaughter 200,000 men women and children....or is that Torah verses that have been tampered with????

PEACE!!!!!!

Kephrem
10-21-2012, 08:55 PM
So Kephrem....did God really instruct Moses to slaughter 200,000 men women and children....or is that Torah verses that have been tampered with????

PEACE!!!!!!


What I do know is the reasoning for the destruction is written about in the so-called lost books of the Bible:


3 For it was thy will to destroy by the hands of our fathers both those old inhabitants of thy holy land,

4 Whom thou hatedst for doing most odious works of witchcrafts, and wicked sacrifices;

5 And also those merciless murderers of children, and devourers of man's flesh, and the feasts of blood,

6 With their priests out of the midst of their idolatrous crew, and the parents, that killed with their own hands souls destitute of help:

7 That the land, which thou esteemedst above all other, might receive a worthy colony of God's children.

Apocrypha: Wisdom Chapter 12

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/wis012.htm

knewcheeze
10-22-2012, 11:38 AM
PEACE!!!!!

""Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." "


pardon shelf if om mistaken but aren't the above and below contradictory?


"And also those merciless murderers of children, and devourers of man's flesh, and the feasts of blood,"


cuz the above talks about the merciless killing of children


but the below ceem's to indicate that it was a savage culture they was conquering and they was trying to liberate the children

whut chu think k?