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CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 12:25 PM
Ignorant black men always keep drama going because they like starting shit and getting in trouble. I just thought about this the other day because i've heard black men complain about black women calling them drama queens. Black men are worse than black women because there's more black men in prison, more black men getting killed and more black men being expelled from school because of their ignorance and they love being ignorant. So black men need to look at themselves instead of saying black women love drama because black men love drama more than them. I agree with Vivica Fox when she said in 2 Can Play That Game movie that black men are worse than black women when it comes to gossip because they love to talk about something they've seen or something they know LOL. Even though i agree with Vivica, i think black women are worse because they gossip and talk on the phone more than black men LOL. Black women are better than black men when it comes to getting a education because as ya'll can see, black women are the head of the household now because there's a lot of black women raising kids by themselves and more of them got jobs than black men. That's why i don't have a lot of black men friends because i don't like their ignorance and ignorant black men don't like me because i'm not ignorant.

TSA
11-28-2012, 12:58 PM
all of my black friends, i've come to realize are female, so idk but LOL you do have a point. niggas are always 'beefing' with someone. It's mandatory you have bitch issues with some other man, normally over gay shit like jealousy.

Most of the times i've tired to work with the negrowth male their head has overheated and they've tried doing some disastrous self serving but short sighted shit that would cause someone to beef with you and jeopardizing everything...though despite popular believe niggas are really helpful.

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 01:12 PM
It's sad that black men have so much anger towards other black men and it's disturbing. The disturbing thing about it is that black men think it's normal to have beef with each other. Like for example, look at rappers. Rappers are always beefing with each other over stupid shit and ya'll see we lost 2 great rappers in 2Pac and Notorious Big because of that. We also lost some good rappers like Big L, Freaky Tah of Lost Boys, dj Scott La Rock, dj Jam Master Jay, Eazy E because of ignorance. Black men need to stop beefing with each other. Please stop that shit. Too many black men are losing their lives over stupid shit and it's retarded because they don't value their life. Blacks always wanna talk about whites are still holding us back when really blacks are bringing our own selves down and self destructing. Whites aren't killing us and forcing us to sell drugs. Whites aren't forcing blacks to go to prison and they aren't forcing us to drop outta high school and wear pants hanging off your ass so you can see your underwear. Another problem i got with black men is they love speaking street slang instead of speaking english and they don't like to read books because they think getting a education and having knowledge is for suckers. Black men also think it's funny to diss black men who are virgins and don't have a girlfriend. Ain't nothing funny about that because getting a woman isn't easy.



Most black men think their only way to get money and get out the hood is selling drugs, rapping, being a NBA and NFL player. They don't believe in getting a real job and wearing the right clothes so they can get a job. They don't wanna go to school to learn job skills for the jobs that pay good even though they complain about they don't wanna work for low pay. You aren't gonna get a job making good money if you don't have the skills and experience. That's just the way it is in the job world.

TSA
11-28-2012, 01:17 PM
i've always wondered why black people still speak ebonics. In all reality it's a southern accent, but most people loss their accent after 1 generation of not being in the 'home' of the accent. Asian kids dont have asian accents despite their parents and entire community having it, nor do any immigrant group. Hell if two people from boston have a kid in oregon the kid isn't going to have a boston accent, so idk what's the deal on ebonics.

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 01:22 PM
That's a good question. I don't know why ignorant black men use ebonics too. Ignorant black women speak ebonics also. That's not a cool language to speak. I've always spoken proper because that's the way my parents raised me. My brother started speaking slang when he moved to Maryland with me and my parents because he wanted to fit in with the ignorant black men at school. TSA, check out these books Come On People by Bill Cosby and Why Are So Many Black Men In Prison by Demico Boothe. Very good books. Enough book by Juan Williams is also good. Those books talk about ignorant black men.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 01:38 PM
i think all that rap beef started with the dirty dozens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Dozens

i thought this paragraph was interesting

The game is also considered a tool for preparing African Americans for coping with verbal abuse and not becoming enraged. The ability to remain composed during the Dozens is a hallmark of virtue among many African Americans. Two sociologists write, "In the deepest sense, the essence of the dozens lies not in the insults but in the response of the victim. To take umbrage is to be considered an infantile response. Maturity and sophistication bring the capability to suffer the vile talk with aplomb at least, and, hopefully, with grace and wit." Opposing this theory is the reality that many contests end in fights.[1] Roger Abrahams states that when African Americans reach a certain age, between 16 and 26, the game loses much of its appeal and attempts to enter into sparring contests often result in violence.[2] John Leland writes that the loser of the Dozens is the one who takes his opponent's words at face value, therefore ending his own performance in the back-and-forth exchange.[9]

i guess rappers take beef far too seriously.

basicly if u have some real beef which is bothering you with another rapper then u should bring it up with him and not diss him on a song.

dissing on a song should be for jokes or as anons say "teh lulz"

as for not speaking proper english and going to prison etc i think its basicly a case of people prefer to underachieve because if you underachieve you can say that you had the potential to be great but this thing or that thing stopped you.

if someone actually tries to achieve his goals then he might be worried he wont achieve them and that people will laugh at him.

and its ignorant to break the rules of grammar without understanding them.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 01:40 PM
i live in belfast and theres obviously not many blacks around where i live but its unusual because the black people that hang around city centre are extremely polite and well spoken. a lot more so than everyone else.

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 01:44 PM
Of course blacks overseas are different than american blacks LOL. If you lived in america, then you would see what i'm talking about. Then you got these gangs which is a big problem. Black men and hispanic men joining gangs. Hispanic men are just as bad as ignorant black men. Especially the ones who are criminals. I believe there's more hispanic men that got jobs than black men.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 01:47 PM
Of course blacks overseas are different than american blacks LOL. If you lived in america, then you would see what i'm talking about. Then you got these gangs which is a big problem. Black men and hispanic men joining gangs. Hispanic men are just as bad as ignorant black men. Especially the ones who are criminals. I believe there's more hispanic men that got jobs than black men.

its still a bit strange because black people in london are into that gangsta culture (probably because of gangstas in US) although its nowhere near as bad as gangs in US

TSA
11-28-2012, 02:19 PM
i live in belfast and theres obviously not many blacks around where i live but its unusual because the black people that hang around city centre are extremely polite and well spoken. a lot more so than everyone else.
LOL interesting theories.
Black people the world over are polite and well spoken, but the reason american blacks get focused on so negatively is because they're simply american. Americans aren't polite and aren't well spoken. Everything that makes african americans different from other blacks also makes white americans different from other whites, Americans are just mother fuckers in general but have their good qualities such as high creativity, individualism, initiative, and courage. All of those things come at the cost of Americans in general being ignorant one track minded motherfuckers that dont give a fuck.



I will say that blacks in general enough playing rhetoric games with each other. You see it in africa, the Caribbean, and America with 'the dozens' being an american rendition. I dont think it's why niggas like beef though lol. I think black people are just sensitive and quick to be adverse to some gay shit.

TSA
11-28-2012, 02:22 PM
I will say the most 'communal' cultures have beef issues, and african americans are more communal than white people. before you start citing mexican job figures go check how many of them have have off'd their own family over bitches and money or stabbed someone on some straight petty shit. Most people in communal cultures are annoyed by their community. People in completely individualistic cultures like white people don't have a sense of obligation to be affiliated with anyone they don't like, where as black people will remain affiliated with someone either through friendship or beef. Two white people that have 'beef' will seldom see each other again.

TSA
11-28-2012, 02:33 PM
also, i've notice black people have a different threshold for understanding high excitement situations such as 'the dozens' than white people. The dozens isn't insulting and nobody takes it seriously unless they're really dumb, so no it's not the origin of beef. I really just think it's cause they live in a smaller tighter community. Chinks light each other the fuck up as well.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 02:40 PM
people think that problems started in the african american community because of slavery. however this isnt true. these sites speak on the matter.

http://manuampim.com/lynch_hoax1.html

http://manuampim.com/lynch_hoax2.html

the first site mostly speaks on how willie lynch speech being a hoax however the second site gives lots of reasons why the african american community really turned to shit.

this paragraph said a lot

Many of the problems that Black people are facing today developed in the 20th century during and after the great African American migrations around World War I and World War II. When we actually look at the negative effects of these migrations, urbanization, and later integration, then it becomes clear that many of the problems that we are faced with today have no direct connection to slavery (eventhough slavery was a vicious institution). Rather, these problems arose as Black people migrated from the southern region of the U.S. in the 20th century and loss the connection to our cultural values. It is well known that the social harmony within the African American community still existed well into the 20th century. In fact, all older Black people from the South know this from their own experience, and the experience or their parents and grandparents, as there were largely positive marriage and family relations, respect for eldership, and general social harmony. Yet, many people ignore this fact of Black social harmony in the early- to mid-20th century in order to believe the Willie Lynch fairy tale. This fake speech is a serious distraction because rather than addressing the real sources of our problems, many people continue to falsely believe that "everything" comes from slavery and that "Willie Lynch" was a white god who gave a single speech that somehow controls 40 million Black people 300 years later!

John Nash
11-28-2012, 02:44 PM
also, i've notice black people have a different threshold for understanding high excitement situations such as 'the dozens' than white people. The dozens isn't insulting and nobody takes it seriously unless they're really dumb, so no it's not the origin of beef. I really just think it's cause they live in a smaller tighter community. Chinks light each other the fuck up as well.

i think that in smaller tighter groups/communities people are more comfortable making fun of eachother. in my rugby club theres a ginger and an arab who are always saying stereotypical things to eachother but its because its a small tight group.

but no one takes it serious.

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 02:50 PM
To me that sounds like a excuse that black men diss each other and kill each other because they live in a tight community. Black men diss each other and kill each other because they're ignorant. That's the bottom line. They get their ignorance from watching ignorant black movies and listening to rap music. They also get their ignorance from what they see on the street. Instead of ignorant black men having a mind of their own and not following what other ignorant black men are doing, they would rather be ignorant because they feel that's being cool and it's gonna get them ladies and attention. What they fail to understand is that acting ignorant isn't gonna get you outta the hood and get you a job.

food for thought
11-28-2012, 02:53 PM
SELECT count(*) as HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS FAGGIT USE THE WORD IGNORANT
FROM charles_jones_faggit_posts
WHERE word= "ignorant" AND is_a_faggit = true AND cleans_toilets = true;

TSA
11-28-2012, 02:54 PM
lol i don't think it's slavery. I really don't think black people dislike each other. Any negative human trait black people exhibit will always be looked at as a black exclusivity when it's not. Black people are a minority and have to deal with each other with less breathing space. If you put white people in groups where they have to be too involved with each other they suddenly start beefing as well. That's where things like 'work place drama' or 'high school drama' come from in that community. With minorities they're always in a situation when they have to be interlocked some how some way, so the probably for beef is high. immigrant groups are constantly beating the living shit out of each other, its just the news doesn't leak because they're usually weary of police and settle their issues by themselves. If all reports of chink on chink violence was reported our prisons would look like chinatowns. I know somalians that throw furniture at each other all the time.


but black people do get butt hurt way too easily.

Art Vandelay
11-28-2012, 02:54 PM
lol @ T$A and CJ building. they are my 2 favorite wu-corp posters of all time, but my IQ just dropped 15 points from reading this thread

John Nash
11-28-2012, 02:54 PM
To me that sounds like a excuse that black men diss each other and kill each other because they live in a tight community. Black men diss each other and kill each other because they're ignorant. That's the bottom line. They get their ignorance from watching ignorant black movies and listening to rap music. They also get their ignorance from what they see on the street. Instead of ignorant black men having a mind of their own and not following what other ignorant black men are doing, they would rather be ignorant because they feel that's being cool and it's gonna get them ladies and attention. What they fail to understand is that acting ignorant isn't gonna get you outta the hood and get you a job.

i think in tighter communities people diss eachother more because of humour and banter.

but no one kills eachother.

people killing eachother is a different problem which is probably caused by low level crime.

Art Vandelay
11-28-2012, 02:58 PM
ok, you guys have sucked me in now. i feel like a harvard professor watching Honey Boo Boo.

CJ, you claim black men are worse than black women when it comes to drama. well you are a black man. and you are always complaining about black women.

therefore: if black men are worse than black women, and you are a black man, then you are worse than the ignorant black women you complain about.

ignorant black women > CharlesJones

John Nash
11-28-2012, 03:00 PM
lol i don't think it's slavery. I really don't think black people dislike each other. Any negative human trait black people exhibit will always be looked at as a black exclusivity when it's not. Black people are a minority and have to deal with each other with less breathing space. If you put white people in groups where they have to be too involved with each other they suddenly start beefing as well. That's where things like 'work place drama' or 'high school drama' come from in that community. With minorities they're always in a situation when they have to be interlocked some how some way, so the probably for beef is high. immigrant groups are constantly beating the living shit out of each other, its just the news doesn't leak because they're usually weary of police and settle their issues by themselves. If all reports of chink on chink violence was reported our prisons would look like chinatowns. I know somalians that throw furniture at each other all the time.


but black people do get butt hurt way too easily.

ive learnt that the main problem was afro americans integration into white peoples society in america.

white people forced afro americans to follow white values and attend white schools etc which crippled afro american unity and way of life. everything then went to shit

Art Vandelay
11-28-2012, 03:01 PM
ok, you guys have sucked me in now. i feel like a harvard professor watching Honey Boo Boo.

CJ, you claim black men are worse than black women when it comes to drama. well you are a black man. and you are always complaining about black women.

therefore: if black men are worse than black women, and you are a black man, then you are worse than the ignorant black women you complain about.

ignorant black women > CharlesJones



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TSA
11-28-2012, 03:03 PM
Charles Jones as funny and entertaining as you accidentally are you're still a janitor that pays money to put prostitutes feet in his mouth. You accidentally started a good conversation but i think it would be best if you stay out cause you're going to turn it into a discussion about black female icons from 1993.


idk why blacks keep OFFING each other. I have noticed their culture is anti correctional measure. You can't tell anyone shit about anything because it's none of your business, but you still have to live around this obnoxious faggot and deal with his noise and property devaluing antics. Everything is good to go and negative criticism is the #1 taboo. So you get motherfuckers that get kudos for some straight retard shit like visiting their kid 1 day a week, but you can never say hey, how come you dont see your kids 6 days a week?


UNLESS you're doing some proactive shit, then everyone is going to hammer in on you.

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 03:06 PM
TSA, you don't make any sense when you said you don't think blacks dislike each other. If they didn't dislike each other, they wouldn't kill each other and diss and laugh at each other.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 03:09 PM
Charles Jones as funny and entertaining as you accidentally are you're still a janitor that pays money to put prostitutes feet in his mouth. You accidentally started a good conversation but i think it would be best if you stay out cause you're going to turn it into a discussion about black female icons from 1993.


idk why blacks keep OFFING each other. I have noticed their culture is anti correctional measure. You can't tell anyone shit about anything because it's none of your business, but you still have to live around this obnoxious faggot and deal with his noise and property devaluing antics. Everything is good to go and negative criticism is the #1 taboo. So you get motherfuckers that get kudos for some straight retard shit like visiting their kid 1 day a week, but you can never say hey, how come you dont see your kids 6 days a week?


UNLESS you're doing some proactive shit, then everyone is going to hammer in on you.

im not sure why either. a lot of afro americans pull the race card a lot. they blame things on the "white man".

they dont want to accept responsibility basicly

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 03:12 PM
You're right that blacks do play the race card a lot blaming whites for their problems instead of looking at themselves and seeing that their ignorance is the reason their life is messed up.

TSA
11-28-2012, 03:12 PM
ive learnt that the main problem was afro americans integration into white peoples society in america.

white people forced afro americans to follow white values and attend white schools etc which crippled afro american unity and way of life. everything then went to shit

It's a 'half assed syndrome'. We're going through it in africa as well.
black americans don't, until recently, feel like a 'part' of mainstream america, but they're in it so they live in between two value worlds. having shitty american values and having shitty black values and being a half assed version of both.


for instance like i said earlier though they still have a communal mentality and culture, the white american influence of 'everyone's an island' make it impossible to act as a community. You can't tell someone to stop doing something or intervene to help them because it's 'none of your business' and that's going to offend that person which historically wasn't the case with african americans. BUT unlike whites who can just get away from the faggots they don't like, blacks are stuck with other blacks despite them being intolerable and adverse to correction so your stuck with a bunch of obnoxious mother fuckers that piss you off and can't do anything about it other than flee your community or attack them when it gets out of hand.



In africa the problem with development is africans want to keep their culture and gain western culture at the same time so now they're half ass africans and half ass westerners. For instance there are people that want their daughter to go to college, but be married and have kids by the age of 22 and not out achieve her husband. Creates a situation where you have to just pick a side a go but it's easier said than done.




black americans like their past culture and appreciate it, but it makes no sense to the reality of today, same with africa.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 03:14 PM
You're right that blacks do play the race card a lot blaming whites for their problems instead of looking at themselves and seeing that their ignorance is the reason their life is messed up.




theyre basicly playing the victim. maybe this is because playing the victim is the best way to live in a ghetto community.

u can get all sorts of benefits from it while doing absolutely nothing

TSA
11-28-2012, 03:15 PM
im not sure why either. a lot of afro americans pull the race card a lot. they blame things on the "white man".

they dont want to accept responsibility basicly
in 90s rap videos.
black people are going to fault other black pople 98 times out of 100 for problems with black people. If you go to a function and some dudes start fighting your not going to say 'look what the white man has done' you're going to say 'the fuck is wrong with black people?'.

it's only when discussing it with none blacks that blacks will likely bring in the non black factor because they're being defensive, otherwise black people are pretty sure other black people are the problem. White people are seldom mentioned among black people, it's just something i've noticed, they're like an irrelevant omnipresence.

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 03:19 PM
I agree with that. They're good at playing the victim LOL. I'm in the ghetto and i can't get out because the white man is holding me back hahahahahahahahahahaha. I think ignorant black men living in the hood like the hood because they like seeing ignorant shit. They can't see themselves living in a nice quiet neighborhood because they see that as being a sellout and a uncle tom. Same thing goes for ignorant black women. Their dumb asses like having a bunch of kids and having ignorant black men as their boyfriends because they think it's cool to behave that way and they like being on welfare and getting food stamps. I think black women that have a bunch of kids do that on purpose so they can get a welfare check and food stamps so they won't have to work.

TSA
11-28-2012, 03:21 PM
I will say this new generation of black people are very DE-politicize and not likely to bring up historical explanations for fucked up shit. We even notice it in the drop in pro black or anti white lyrics in rap music. The level of integration is a lot higher and the general vanity of the new generation across cultures brought on, in my opinion, by rap music and internet, is law. The most political a young black person is likely to get is support obama or standing against blatant acts of racism.

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 03:24 PM
TSA, when did you become so deep? LOL. I've never seen you talk like this before.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 03:25 PM
It's a 'half assed syndrome'. We're going through it in africa as well.
black americans don't, until recently, feel like a 'part' of mainstream america, but they're in it so they live in between two value worlds. having shitty american values and having shitty black values and being a half assed version of both.


for instance like i said earlier though they still have a communal mentality and culture, the white american influence of 'everyone's an island' make it impossible to act as a community. You can't tell someone to stop doing something or intervene to help them because it's 'none of your business' and that's going to offend that person which historically wasn't the case with african americans. BUT unlike whites who can just get away from the faggots they don't like, blacks are stuck with other blacks despite them being intolerable and adverse to correction so your stuck with a bunch of obnoxious mother fuckers that piss you off and can't do anything about it other than flee your community or attack them when it gets out of hand.



In africa the problem with development is africans want to keep their culture and gain western culture at the same time so now they're half ass africans and half ass westerners. For instance there are people that want their daughter to go to college, but be married and have kids by the age of 22 and not out achieve her husband. Creates a situation where you have to just pick a side a go but it's easier said than done.




black americans like their past culture and appreciate it, but it makes no sense to the reality of today, same with africa.

maybe people should analyse past empires because they had to deal with different cultures mixing together(except if u take the attitude of the british empire LOL).

especially the roman empire. it was extremely multicultural. they gave everyone a shared identity and everyone worshipped eachothers gods. they hated jews and christians because they wouldnt worship other peoples gods and jews wouldnt mix with gentiles.

on the other hand the whole religion of judaism discourages them from mixing with other people(gentiles) and jews outlasted the Roman Empire.

but most groups in the world will mix together.

TSA
11-28-2012, 03:26 PM
the only black people that bring up white people are black people that have had extensive contact with white people and in all reality think like white people like myself, and 99% of the black people on this board except that Pep guy.


Those are the people that you're likely to hear blame white people for things but it's only because they can see it from an othersiders view because it effects them less and their comfort makes them more likely to be board. If you're in the ghetto, only know black people, and get beat up by a bunch of black people, you're animosity is towards another black person. Black people with money have the luxury of having the time and boredom of looking at history and trans-personal circumstance.

You can again see it in rap. The rappers that bring up white people the most are the ones that grew up the richest. Even within wutang. Who talked about white people the most? ODB, who grew up with the most money? ODB. You're more likely to hear Ice Cube, who is middle class, talk about white people than TI.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 03:26 PM
in 90s rap videos.
black people are going to fault other black pople 98 times out of 100 for problems with black people. If you go to a function and some dudes start fighting your not going to say 'look what the white man has done' you're going to say 'the fuck is wrong with black people?'.

it's only when discussing it with none blacks that blacks will likely bring in the non black factor because they're being defensive, otherwise black people are pretty sure other black people are the problem. White people are seldom mentioned among black people, it's just something i've noticed, they're like an irrelevant omnipresence.

so its a defense mechanism. that makes lots of sense.

TSA
11-28-2012, 03:27 PM
TSA, when did you become so deep? LOL. I've never seen you talk like this before.
wutang double cd. it's a long story.

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 03:29 PM
How you figure Ol Dirty Bastard dealt with white people? He grew up in the ghetto and he was poor. He even said when he started with Wu Tang that he was getting food stamps. Ice Cube grew up in a middle class black neighborhood but the reason why he raps about white people is that he wants blacks to know about racism and why white people hate blacks. He's good at educating blacks about racism and white people because most rappers don't do that.

TSA
11-28-2012, 03:37 PM
so its a defense mechanism. that makes lots of sense.

eh kinda. white people overestimate their relevance because it's hard for them to see a world where they don't exist or matter.
I've heard people say africans shouldn't blame their problems on colonialism. When discussing their problems, african nnneeeeeevverrrrr bring up colonialism unless they have had extensive contact with white people (Diasporas). This is because blacks with extensive contact with white people and africans have a eurocentric mentality like whites and have to see what role the white hand played in all situations because in the eurocentric view nothing happens unless white people made it happen directly or indirectly.


most black people with an afrocentric (the world gets abused a lot, but simply means you view things from an african point of view) will cite other black people as 'the problem'. This includes black people that live in primarily black community. I will say the majority of blacks aren't poor, they're usually working to middle class but even then they live in working to middle class communities.

You can list america's housing projects on 1 sheet of paper. Assuming they all house 3000 families that's still a very insignficant % of the black population.


middle class blacks still live in black middle to working class establishments or in very racially mixed communities. The ones that are going to yarn balls about white people are the ones that are middle to upper class, and the most racist are usually rich black people. Poor people don't have the time to start thinking about King tut and marcus garvey and have to deal with other poor people being obnoxious in their communities that are absent of white people.







so it's not really a defense mechanism it's just that being a white guy in europe, 9 times out of 10 your going to be dealing with a well to do black american if you're dealing with one that doesn't have to deal with other black people pissing him off regularly like poor blacks do, so he's going to see things from an accidentally eurocentric view.

TSA
11-28-2012, 03:47 PM
How you figure Ol Dirty Bastard dealt with white people? He grew up in the ghetto and he was poor. He even said when he started with Wu Tang that he was getting food stamps. Ice Cube grew up in a middle class black neighborhood but the reason why he raps about white people is that he wants blacks to know about racism and why white people hate blacks. He's good at educating blacks about racism and white people because most rappers don't do that.
no he wasn't he was middle class, and significantly richer and better raised than the rest of the wu-tang. The only thing that makes wutang and a lot of 90s rappers from the ghetto special cases is because they were taught hateful doctrines.

Then look at the people teach them these hateful doctrines.

http://www.schultreff.de/referate/englisch/r0439p01.jpg
http://www.bet.com/news/national/2012/03/08/this-day-in-black-history-march-8-1964/_jcr_content/articleText/textwithinlinemedia/image.custom300x0.dimg/030712-national-black-history-malcolm-x.jpg
http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/116/41bf6451abb440b4ad50fedc4927dc4b/l.jpg


Mullatoo ass niggas that have all had extensive dealings with white people. Because each of these guys were steeped in their early lives in a eurocentric community (white communities), they see things from an accidentally eurocentric view. The bad affairs of the world have an exclusively white hand acting some how and some way as do the good ones. No disrespect to anyone on that list of people but their reality isn't the same as the people they ended up having to teach the lessons of their reality because they were the same race.


I would say my thoughts are more like malcolm x's than the average black person from the ghetto i've ran into but we're both black niggas from Nebraska. It would be foolish of me to try and teach a black person in haiti or new orleans the lessons from my narrative in life because that's not their reality. As much as Elijah Muhammed felt whites were the devil telling it to someone that's constantly getting shot at by black people makes no sense unless you can put a white face behind the violence and say that black person is a good person he's just trying to off your ass because the white man made him do so.






I will say that getting out of your base community, for any and everyone, will make you more intelligent and a better thinker so the people i've listed aren't dumb or misguided by any means.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 03:47 PM
eh kinda. white people overestimate their relevance because it's hard for them to see a world where they don't exist or matter.
I've heard people say africans shouldn't blame their problems on colonialism. When discussing their problems, african nnneeeeeevverrrrr bring up colonialism unless they have had extensive contact with white people (Diasporas). This is because blacks with extensive contact with white people and africans have a eurocentric mentality like whites and have to see what role the white hand played in all situations because in the eurocentric view nothing happens unless white people made it happen directly or indirectly.


most black people with an afrocentric (the world gets abused a lot, but simply means you view things from an african point of view) will cite other black people as 'the problem'. This includes black people that live in primarily black community. I will say the majority of blacks aren't poor, they're usually working to middle class but even then they live in working to middle class communities.

You can list america's housing projects on 1 sheet of paper. Assuming they all house 3000 families that's still a very insignficant % of the black population.


middle class blacks still live in black middle to working class establishments or in very racially mixed communities. The ones that are going to yarn balls about white people are the ones that are middle to upper class, and the most racist are usually rich black people. Poor people don't have the time to start thinking about King tut and marcus garvey and have to deal with other poor people being obnoxious in their communities that are absent of white people.







so it's not really a defense mechanism it's just that being a white guy in europe, 9 times out of 10 your going to be dealing with a well to do black american if you're dealing with one that doesn't have to deal with other black people pissing him off regularly like poor blacks do, so he's going to see things from an accidentally eurocentric view.

thats interesting about "an accidental eurocentric view". i guess supremists like farrakhan have a "supreme" accidental eurocentric view which is why they start from a eurocentric starting point e.g. using the bible, using white peoples history, using a number system they learnt from white people to create the supreme numerical system etc

but surely people who educate themselves will not see the world in a eurocentric or afrocentric view but will be able to analyse things from an objective position.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 03:50 PM
hahahahahaha i didnt see ur last post tsa because i was still typing mine when u finished but u seem to have agreed with black supremists starting from a eurocentric stance

CharlesJones
11-28-2012, 03:59 PM
So you read some information about Ol Dirty Bastard's life? LOL. I doubt it that he grew up in a nice neighborhood. Another thing i don't like about ignorant black men is them calling each other niggas but then they have a problem with white men calling them niggas.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 04:04 PM
So you read some information about Ol Dirty Bastard's life? LOL. I doubt it that he grew up in a nice neighborhood. Another thing i don't like about ignorant black men is them calling each other niggas but then they have a problem with white men calling them niggas.

i think they do this as a way to exclude white people.

TSA
11-28-2012, 04:08 PM
they do and that's why i dismiss their nonsense. It's like God and the Devil and Christianity. People that say they worship the devil to me are still christians because they still believe all that shit exists and governs the cosmos. Even though they're at a different side of the court rooting for the away team they're still at the same basketball game.


Your thoughts will always have a cultural orientation be it eurocentric or afrocentric and so forth, even both are simplifications for the purpose of effective discussion, but there will always be a context based on your life and culture.


Marcus Garvey's original pan african movement was for africans to start orienting their thoughts around the affairs or africa and themselves which before, and still today, they saw them selves as a side character in a white man's world, the original movement was for them to see themselves as the main character of their own world.


a lot of these fake black leaders are still trying to explain the 'black world' using scraps from the white world. The most ignorant of all is assuming Islam is an african thing, when christianity has been in africa longer than islam has and neither are african.


This is what i mean about the new generation being depoliticized. All of this matter a lot less to them than it did for previous generations and previous generations see it as ignorant, it think it's necessary for everyone to move on.

dont get it twisted though, these people with extensive exposure to white people don't like white people because white people are faggots from hell that can't help but being overtly difficult to like. There's a lot of cool ones here and there, but for the purpose of generalization they're gay so i don't 'blame' malcolm x, but once he went to mecca he broke his eurocentric view and became a 'global thinker'. His mind expanded by simple exposure to the rest of the world and places that draw in the whole world like Mecca and are so radically different from what you know have the power of breaking thinking pegged in 'afro/euro/chinko' bubbles.

TSA
11-28-2012, 04:11 PM
i think they do this as a way to exclude white people.
that's that same eurocentric thinking


____ is _____ because (insert general white position on situation)


black people call black people nigga because it's a funny convenient and multi faceted word, but many have a problem with it as well when spoken by anyone, and the black people that say nigga a lot dont think about white people what so ever because they're (white people) irrelevant to their lives, which is hard for white people to imagine.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 04:15 PM
i agree that we will always looked at the world in a simplified fashion but we should try and be as objective as we can.

the worst is when people try and say one sides "good" and the other side is "bad" when usually its extremely complex.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 04:21 PM
that's that same eurocentric thinking


____ is _____ because (insert general white position on situation)


black people call black people nigga because it's a funny convenient and multi faceted word, but many have a problem with it as well when spoken by anyone, and the black people that say nigga a lot dont think about white people what so ever because they're (white people) irrelevant to their lives, which is hard for white people to imagine.

i always thought that if one group says a word and doesnt let other people do it its so that they can exclude them.

why exactly do black people have a problem with it when its well spoken by anyone.

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
11-28-2012, 04:23 PM
i think all that rap beef started with the dirty dozens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Dozens


lol at wu-oriented euroteens learning about black people from wikipedia.

John Nash
11-28-2012, 04:30 PM
is the word "nigga" not an example of reappropriation in which a minority group uses a derogatory word among themselves in order to desensitise it while also excluding the offending group by not letting them use that word.

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
11-28-2012, 04:32 PM
is the word "nigga" not an example of reappropriation in which a minority group uses a derogatory word among themselves in order to desensitise it while also excluding the offending group by not letting them use that word.

what does wiki say about it, bruh?

see if askjeeves has something to say about that whole watermelon thing too.

Art Vandelay
11-28-2012, 04:40 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Martin_Luther_King_Jr_NYWTS_6.jpg

John Nash
11-28-2012, 04:42 PM
what does wiki say about it, bruh?

see if askjeeves has something to say about that whole watermelon thing too.

keep quiet. i used wikipedia to show the dirty dozen relationship because i couldnt be bothered explaining. that dirty dozen relationship is in books as well.

black people eat watermelons in recognition of yakub's big head which some think look like 2 watermelons on either side

http://thebomanistudy.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/yakub.jpg?w=300&h=198

John Nash
11-28-2012, 04:45 PM
dont worry danny i found another forum that will answer all my questions

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=120873

Fishscale123
11-28-2012, 05:31 PM
I will say this new generation of black people are very DE-politicize and not likely to bring up historical explanations for fucked up shit. We even notice it in the drop in pro black or anti white lyrics in rap music. The level of integration is a lot higher and the general vanity of the new generation across cultures brought on, in my opinion, by rap music and internet, is law. The most political a young black person is likely to get is support obama or standing against blatant acts of racism.

or weed legalization