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cd
11-07-2005, 04:59 AM
OK I have insomnia so I will go on a soapbox here. After perusing this section I am amazed at the utter ignorance here. And yes that means you. A lot of people here think they are somehow talking or typing intelligent things, when in fact the foolishness seems to know no bounds.

First we'll start with "knowledge".............

Reading something that you want to be true and spitting it back, paraphrasing it, or just copying or pasting it does not mean you are intelligent and anyone with a brain can see thru that. Reading a million things on the same side of a subject that you like, does not mean you know anything. In fact you are just making yourself ignorant. To gain any sort of knowledge in anything, you have to read extensively on the subject. From all sides. Then you have to be intelligent enough, which most aren't, to be able to sift thru all the BS and piece together what MIGHT be real. After that, you still do not know anything. Then you have to go out and see if it really applies and works in the real world.

Many things sound good on paper and people come up with outlandish stuff all the time when they isolate themselves. Also do not believe hardly anything you read. From all sides and sources. The human mind is a wonderous thing, and the thing it's best at is manipulating reality for its own gains. People completely make things up and ignore blatant facts most of the time. It is easy to come up with even the most outlandish beliefs, and make them sound great on the surface, backing them up with "statistics" and "facts' which are unbelievably simple to manipulate to one's own ends. An easy example of this to see is go to a bookstore. Go to the Political section and books on our beloved Mr. Bush. There are an endless amount of books that will explain to you what a tremendous president he is. There are an endless amount that will show how he is the most corrupt puppet of all time. EVERY SINGLE ONE of these books is backed by hundreds or thousands of "facts" and "sources". If you can't see what that really tells you, then I can't help you.

The other thing is the racism here. It's sad but after all our time here, we still can not get over our basest fears and insecurities. Every side gets upset when the other shows beliefs against the other, but yet can not see the stick in their own eye. A sad thing happens with this subject. The fact is that although those who know not, do not like to admit it or can't see it, human nature is the same in everyone. And everyone falls into the same, or similar traps. Those that suffer racism or oppression begin to form beliefs to protect themselves, but these become similar to the opressors, just a mirror image. This creates a vicious cycle.

A fact is, and you all love conspiracy theories, that one of the tools used by the elite to keep those under them in check, is to pit them against themselves. Stirring the pot of Black/ vs White is the easiest way and it works everytime. Which speaks volumes for the masses.

Some of you are sliding down a slippery slope and are becoming and forming beliefs similar to the ones that have been oppressive towards you. And you can't see this now, which is sad but hopefully you will wake up. Blackwisdom had a post here in which he stated that his reasons for studying and believing and discussing what he believes is for "upliftment of his people"...........

BW, the day you say that statment and in your heart truely believe you are talking about people without the boundaries of race or creed, is the day you have gained true knowledge.

DisAstro
11-07-2005, 05:28 AM
I have to agree - at all points. The racism thing is completly true. Making a change isnt hating those who hate(d) you, but showing that they are wrong, in a peacefull and "loving" (can't think of a better word) way.

Who had more succes: Martin Luther King or Malcom X? Who has been honoured and rememberd the most?

noel411
11-07-2005, 05:34 AM
It would be nice to think the sorts of people this post concerns will actually read this, and seriously consider it before moving on, but of course that won't happen. The mindset of the people referred to in this post has them already programmed to dismiss it, and that's the saddest part. You can talk to these sorts all you want, but it will be solely decided by them the direction they choose to take. Some may come with their preset arguments for these situations, some may deliberately misinterpret what was said here, and that's where you find the problem.

They remind me of drug addicts. They know they're hurting themselves with some temporary upliftment, but they're gonna convince themselves they're doing no harm. And even if they do realise they're on the wrong track, they're gonna keep walking that path anyway. You can try to talk some sense into them, or even throw them in a clinic, but it's always gonna be up to them where their next step will take them.

Os3y3ris
11-07-2005, 06:12 AM
He's correct. A lot of the posts on here are about how someone read one newspaper snippet and the entire history of the world is now false.

JASPER
11-07-2005, 06:36 AM
Good topic, really good topic. I was planning on writing down something like this, but like Noel says, the people concerned already closed thier minds for crazy ideas like this.

Welshkillabee
11-07-2005, 06:50 AM
Excellent post, I have to say

Fragmented
11-07-2005, 07:49 AM
:clap: :beer: 9:|6 9:|6 peace great thread

Ghost In The 'Lac
11-07-2005, 08:23 AM
^^co sign. this world is so stuffed full of shit its important new ideas and views are thrown out to make people question what theyre being told. Threadstartet sounds like hes trying to surpress free speech.

JASPER
11-07-2005, 08:42 AM
Nothing wrong with new ideas and views, but when they're passed off as facts it's a whole other thing.

Ironlungz
11-07-2005, 09:57 AM
A very good post.

num2son
11-07-2005, 10:05 AM
Keep an open and aware mind.

JASPER
11-07-2005, 10:37 AM
have you actually looked up any of the information put forth to maybe find out if it is fact or not, or do you just claim it ass opinion because you disagree wit it?I'm not saying somethings aren't facts, but I'm also not saying things are facts. It's just that you never know if it's actually fact, no matter how many sources you'll find.

LHX
11-07-2005, 10:52 AM
OK I have insomnia so I will go on a soapbox here. After perusing this section I am amazed at the utter ignorance here. And yes that means you. A lot of people here think they are somehow talking or typing intelligent things, when in fact the foolishness seems to know no bounds.

First we'll start with "knowledge".............

Reading something that you want to be true and spitting it back, paraphrasing it, or just copying or pasting it does not mean you are intelligent and anyone with a brain can see thru that. Reading a million things on the same side of a subject that you like, does not mean you know anything. In fact you are just making yourself ignorant. To gain any sort of knowledge in anything, you have to read extensively on the subject. From all sides. Then you have to be intelligent enough, which most aren't, to be able to sift thru all the BS and piece together what MIGHT be real. After that, you still do not know anything. Then you have to go out and see if it really applies and works in the real world.

Many things sound good on paper and people come up with outlandish stuff all the time when they isolate themselves. Also do not believe hardly anything you read. From all sides and sources. The human mind is a wonderous thing, and the thing it's best at is manipulating reality for its own gains. People completely make things up and ignore blatant facts most of the time. It is easy to come up with even the most outlandish beliefs, and make them sound great on the surface, backing them up with "statistics" and "facts' which are unbelievably simple to manipulate to one's own ends. An easy example of this to see is go to a bookstore. Go to the Political section and books on our beloved Mr. Bush. There are an endless amount of books that will explain to you what a tremendous president he is. There are an endless amount that will show how he is the most corrupt puppet of all time. EVERY SINGLE ONE of these books is backed by hundreds or thousands of "facts" and "sources". If you can't see what that really tells you, then I can't help you.

The other thing is the racism here. It's sad but after all our time here, we still can not get over our basest fears and insecurities. Every side gets upset when the other shows beliefs against the other, but yet can not see the stick in their own eye. A sad thing happens with this subject. The fact is that although those who know not, do not like to admit it or can't see it, human nature is the same in everyone. And everyone falls into the same, or similar traps. Those that suffer racism or oppression begin to form beliefs to protect themselves, but these become similar to the opressors, just a mirror image. This creates a vicious cycle.

A fact is, and you all love conspiracy theories, that one of the tools used by the elite to keep those under them in check, is to pit them against themselves. Stirring the pot of Black/ vs White is the easiest way and it works everytime. Which speaks volumes for the masses.

Some of you are sliding down a slippery slope and are becoming and forming beliefs similar to the ones that have been oppressive towards you. And you can't see this now, which is sad but hopefully you will wake up. Blackwisdom had a post here in which he stated that his reasons for studying and believing and discussing what he believes is for "upliftment of his people"...........

BW, the day you say that statment and in your heart truely believe you are talking about people without the boundaries of race or creed, is the day you have gained true knowledge.
do you actually believe any of that?

Os3y3ris
11-07-2005, 11:09 AM
I think the issue is one of talking out of your ass as opposed to doing the research and THEN presenting facts. A lot of people go for the former. How much stuff do we see here thats simply BS? Plenty. Consider the hoax recently passed around here regarding the computer surveilance. A lot of trick knowledge being spread through these very forums. So really, taking time to know what the hell you're talking about is a GOOD thing. It doesnt shut down ideas except for those proven to be false.

Also, as long as we're on the subject of what is or what isn't knowledge, clever word play makes you niether intelligent nor cute.

Aqueous Moon
11-07-2005, 11:42 AM
just my view but instead of making threads bitching about what is put up then put something up about what you think or what you think is a topic of substance. something i have to give noel credit for doing. instead of having a thread about how racist blah blah is every day he'll put up some shit asking his own questions about things. bring your own substance other wise your just helping keep the stuff that you bitch about in rotation.
Peace,

Well said, Legato. I agree

LHX
11-07-2005, 11:50 AM
I think the issue is one of talking out of your ass as opposed to doing the research and THEN presenting facts. A lot of people go for the former. How much stuff do we see here thats simply BS? Plenty. Consider the hoax recently passed around here regarding the computer surveilance. A lot of trick knowledge being spread through these very forums. So really, taking time to know what the hell you're talking about is a GOOD thing. It doesnt shut down ideas except for those proven to be false.

Also, as long as we're on the subject of what is or what isn't knowledge, clever word play makes you niether intelligent nor cute.
true

mostly

Aqueous Moon
11-07-2005, 01:25 PM
I think the issue is one of talking out of your ass as opposed to doing the research and THEN presenting facts. A lot of people go for the former. How much stuff do we see here thats simply BS? Plenty. Consider the hoax recently passed around here regarding the computer surveilance. A lot of trick knowledge being spread through these very forums. So really, taking time to know what the hell you're talking about is a GOOD thing. It doesnt shut down ideas except for those proven to be false.

Also, as long as we're on the subject of what is or what isn't knowledge, clever word play makes you niether intelligent nor cute .
Peace

What does that mean?

Os3y3ris
11-07-2005, 02:40 PM
Just what it means. There's a signifcant emphasis on word play and semantics here, with many people using that in place of saying anything of substance. For example, if I were to ask what people though of sleep paralysis (random topic thats been around lately), we'd get at least one person who goes "Sleep, which is said to be the cousin of death. Para, meaning beyond, lysis meaning destruction. So I'm moving beyond the destruction of death when I dream.". And of course, at that point, half the people would be like "Oooh, I'm overwhelmed by the wisdom...". In reality thats simply a not so clever non sequiter showing no knowledge on the topic at hand.

Alucard Dracu
11-07-2005, 02:44 PM
lol i have to agree with that.

Aqueous Moon
11-07-2005, 02:45 PM
Peace

LOL...good analogy.

But, semantics can be a very good thing to use when you are trying to understand something that you may find confusing or offensive.

Then just make sure it really relates to the point at hand, of course.

But, that is a very good point that you brought up.

Peace

Ebo
11-07-2005, 03:08 PM
Although i agree with most your of your points. I'll have to agree with Legato in disapproving of the functionality of something like this. Pointing out what's wrong with the world is quite an easy task, since everybody projects some of their faults on it, making it seem as if something is wrong with it. Basically, i believe, you recognise in the world only that which pre-existed in your mind. To give an example, a construction worker may look differently at a building than the architect. It's what their mind contains that get reflected off their perception. So when dealing with problems in the world, the problem in this sentence is in your own mind. This is basically what reappears throughout scriptures, songs, movies, everything. Dealing with yourself, conquering your own doubts and views, means conquering the world's doubts and views. To offer a solution to this issue, i will reach into Buddhist philosophy which teaches that the elimination of views (thus meaning every opinion you have about good or bad, etc.) is accomplished by seeing that nothing in this world is you or yours. Seeing this means nothing can be obtained nor lost, it also means you don't try to change yourself (or other things) into something it's not, which is a common thing for people to do (as pointed out by cd when he said: "The human mind is a wonderous thing, and the thing it's best at is manipulating reality for its own gains"). Thus releasing your grasp on the world, you basically "go with the flow", you don't clamp to lovely things, nor do you avoid painful things.

Peace

Ebo
11-07-2005, 03:12 PM
...we'd get at least one person who goes "Sleep, which is said to be the cousin of death. Para, meaning beyond, lysis meaning destruction. So I'm moving beyond the destruction of death when I dream.". And of course, at that point, half the people would be like "Oooh, I'm overwhelmed by the wisdom...".
Good example man
Fucking hilarious

Peace.

JASPER
11-07-2005, 03:15 PM
Just what it means. There's a signifcant emphasis on word play and semantics here, with many people using that in place of saying anything of substance. For example, if I were to ask what people though of sleep paralysis (random topic thats been around lately), we'd get at least one person who goes "Sleep, which is said to be the cousin of death. Para, meaning beyond, lysis meaning destruction. So I'm moving beyond the destruction of death when I dream.". And of course, at that point, half the people would be like "Oooh, I'm overwhelmed by the wisdom...". In reality thats simply a not so clever non sequiter showing no knowledge on the topic at hand.HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA hahahahahaha haha aha haha

FIDM 85
11-07-2005, 03:49 PM
Please Go Visit The "applies 2anyone W/a Brain" Thread....thanks!

noel411
11-07-2005, 03:52 PM
I won't bother quoting it again, but yeah, that shit Os3y3ris said about playing with words is so true. It's also incredibly lame when people try to get the person they're arguing with, lost in their own words, because they have no other way to argue their case. For example, I really don't go for the whole "define (insert word)", when it is already clear what they're trying to say. And just all those stupid vague replies people give, that are actually supposed to make people think. That shit doesn't prove a thing.

cd
11-07-2005, 04:59 PM
just my view but instead of making threads bitching about what is put up then put something up about what you think or what you think is a topic of substance. something i have to give noel credit for doing. instead of having a thread about how racist blah blah is every day he'll put up some shit asking his own questions about things. bring your own substance other wise your just helping keep the stuff that you bitch about in rotation.
You have totally missed the point. The fact that people should actually think about and look into things objectively is a huge deal and the foundation to learn anything. Just going back and forth copying and pasting beliefs leads to nothing. Just to take this board as an example, the same topics have been argued over and over with the same results and the same narrowmindedness for years. It's a predictable broken record. People criticize and attack other peoples beliefs but yet get defensive when their's are questioned. People love to talk about the hypocracy in others but are blind to see they are really the same.

The best part is, that you can tell when someone is completely full of crap and has no idea about anything. You watch them come up with all this stuff they are paraphrasing and regurgitating, but when they have anything to say on their own, they sound ridiculous.

The main point is to take a step back and try and look at whatever the subject is objectively, removing your prejudices and your wants and truly sifting thru and seeing things. Not many can do this.

Jesus Shootin Heroin
11-07-2005, 05:49 PM
^^co sign. this world is so stuffed full of shit its important new ideas and views are thrown out to make people question what theyre being told. Threadstartet sounds like hes trying to surpress free speech.Thats true to an extent but when we're dealing with those who insist white people are devils who were created by a mad scientist on an island I don't feel the need to provide evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to just say "You are a fucking moron and I'm not even going to try and engage you in a sensible conversation". Same with biblical literalists, people who think dinosaurs are a conspiracy, etc, etc. When the facts are incontrovertible "questioning what you're told" is not a valid justification for disputing them.
There seems to be a number of people on here who mistake preposterous belief systems and conspiracy theories for true intellligence and insight, and in doing so disengage from the real world and the real problems in it. Spending your time pondering why you are a devine being and such like is no more beneficial to the world or "your people" than sitting in a dark rooom with a tin foil hat on trying to commune with aliens- it's pure escapism.

Aqueous Moon
11-07-2005, 05:58 PM
Thats true to an extent but when we're dealing with those who insist white people are devils who were created by a mad scientist on an island I don't feel the need to provide evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to just say "You are a fucking moron and I'm not even going to try and engage you in a sensible conversation". Same with biblical literalists, people who think dinosaurs are a conspiracy, etc, etc. When the facts are incontrovertible "questioning what you're told" is not a valid justification for disputing them.
There seems to be a number of people on here who mistake preposterous belief systems and conspiracy theories for true intellligence and insight, and in doing so disengage from the real world and the real problems in it. Spending your time pondering why you are a devine being and such like is no more beneficial to the world or "your people" than sitting in a dark rooom with a tin foil hat on trying to commune with aliens- it's pure escapism.Peace

Why shouldn't you ponder about your own divinity?

You have to know yourself before you can go out into the world and present yourself.

I have respect for anybody who knows what their truth is.

Question everything - I think that is a good idea...

tostones
11-07-2005, 06:29 PM
peace

Anytime someone states something as if it were solid fact, or are completely convinced of something, it is a good idea to do further research into the claims. This would apply to claims in this thread also.

Asking for clarification or verification does not necessarily mean someones twisting words or nitpicking, lol.

peace

Koolish
11-07-2005, 10:59 PM
whenever someone types something up, it comes straight from the mind. a mind is fixated on an opinion, and an opinion of the mind, when in this kind of environment, just typing up more stuff to another person, is like a personality trait. if someone is greedy, can you persuade them to not be greedy? not very easily, not at all, sort of like how people debate on the internet.
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Prolifical ENG
11-07-2005, 11:13 PM
good good.....once in a while this forum gets a thread like this....this one of the better constructed ones.

once in a while it is helpful in taking a step back and reading something like this.

LHX
11-08-2005, 09:49 AM
whenever someone types something up, it comes straight from the mind. a mind is fixated on an opinion, and an opinion of the mind, when in this kind of environment, just typing up more stuff to another person, is like a personality trait. if someone is greedy, can you persuade them to not be greedy? not very easily, not at all, sort of like how people debate on the internet.
dude

you already posted that exact same message

sweet sista
03-20-2006, 12:58 AM
To gain any sort of knowledge in anything, you have to read extensively on the subject. From all sides. Then you have to be intelligent enough, which most aren't, to be able to sift thru all the BS and piece together what MIGHT be real.


Agreed completely!
Sure truth lies at the bottom of a well.


After that, you still do not know anything. Then you have to go out and see if it really applies and works in the real world.


You're absolutely right in all u'r sayin' in the usual cases but
here?!
You mean like a sista should go down the street –you know how creepy are the hoods at night- in the cold and reads all the books in some old library alone with some old freak a** s*** librarian starin' at her like a mad dog has a dysentry and then she may find somethin' about anythin' but she'll still know nothin' so she gotta get back to da streets again and find if it'll work on some crazy sniper brutha has some nerve disease tryin' to mug her up. Dis is deadly madness!!!!

Man i'm just kiddin' but what i'm tryin' to say is before someone does any of what u said. EAAAAAAA!! time is up and The thread is off!! So it's like “post it now or never” u don't wanna post somethin' nobody will ever read, do you?! Especially if you're often busy like maself and try to do your projects and at the same time in your short breaks maybe check and post dis and dat.


Many things sound good on paper and people come up with outlandish stuff all the time when they isolate themselves. Also do not believe hardly anything you read. From all sides and sources. The human mind is a wonderous thing, and the thing it's best at is manipulating reality for its own gains. People completely make things up and ignore blatant facts most of the time. It is easy to come up with even the most outlandish beliefs, and make them sound great on the surface, backing them up with "statistics" and "facts' which are unbelievably simple to manipulate to one's own ends. An easy example of this to see is go to a bookstore. Go to the Political section and books on our beloved Mr. Bush. There are an endless amount of books that will explain to you what a tremendous president he is. There are an endless amount that will show how he is the most corrupt puppet of all time. EVERY SINGLE ONE of these books is backed by hundreds or thousands of "facts" and "sources". If you can't see what that really tells you, then I can't help you.

Lemme get that straight,
you're sayin' that “there are some kind of solutions that obviously are the best but still it ain't workin' in reality?!”
so with what kind of yardsticks they're considered as the best?!


Those that suffer racism or oppression begin to form beliefs to protect themselves, but these become similar to the oppressors, just a mirror image. This creates a vicious cycle..


Possible...depends...
uh... but still it doesn't make two crimes 100% the same. The one who strikes ain't like the one who strikes back. I ain't supportin' any but i do understand the re-actions.


A fact is, and you all love conspiracy theories, that one of the tools used by the elite to keep those under them in check, is to pit them against themselves. Stirring the pot of Black/ vs White is the easiest way and it works everytime. Which speaks volumes for the masses.


.. I sure don't know about that...

Some of you are sliding down a slippery slope and are becoming and forming beliefs similar to the ones that have been oppressive towards you. And you can't see this now, which is sad but hopefully you will wake up.

Yeah maybe but you can't shut those out not only coz u don't know'em but also coz then u'r keepin' yourself unaware of somethings and personally i think it's good to have different opinions even if it might look for us weird or sick but the point is to correct someone's thoughts or correct your own. You might didn't look at a whole picture of somethin' coz u'r human and it's really good to have those different opinions and craziness goin' on not coz it's it's cool to go with the crazy flow but you never know, you might get somethin' good outta of it.