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LHX
06-22-2005, 03:51 PM
read it and learn something

those samurais were some bad motherfuckers

http://users.tkk.fi/~renko/hag1.html

stop being a pussy

PEACE

100pr00f
06-22-2005, 05:55 PM
its the way of the samurai...i aready know the life style.......if u fail or disraspect ur master in a wrong way u would kindly kill ur self in respect ahah

LHX
06-22-2005, 06:18 PM
it gets even thicker than that

dont front on the knowledge

PEACE

LHX
06-22-2005, 09:52 PM
did anybody read this yet?

hagakure360
06-22-2005, 10:13 PM
Yo
Yamamoto ..., the "author" of hagakure was like a fake gangsta. Yamamoto lived during a peaceful time in Japan, in other words there wasn't shit going on. He wrote about the ideals a samurai should live upto; he never had a chance to prove his loyalty or willingness to die for his master. No wars, no battles, just petty fueds between samurai. The fact that a bushido code had to be written down is pathetic. During the warring periods, no written code was needed. Later on the emperor used the Bushido code to his advantage to ensure civil stability.

Yamamoto himself was never given the highest position of the clan under his master. So the hagakure has a bitter tone in it. For example, Yamamoto wishes that he could be reborn seven times to serve his lord; and he said this after he retired to become a Buddhist monk, although he could not renounce his past life. He also failed to attain satori.
The hagakrue does have practical advice in it, and was republished heavily in Japan during the early 20th century. However, the book has become popular amongst Western businessmen today.

There's more shit to it, but you get the point, don't believe the hype.


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100pr00f
06-22-2005, 10:21 PM
il read it 2morra...its a big read

I-Legit
06-22-2005, 10:58 PM
Proud Owner *D



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Machete
06-23-2005, 02:11 AM
Legit, you got the mass produced bullshit. I read it twice. 15 quotes make the whole book. The rest of it is mostly big japanese names that you don't even bother pronouncing.

Triple B
06-23-2005, 07:31 AM
The rest of it is mostly big japanese names that you don't even bother pronouncing.
lol, idd. I have read halfway through it, and put it away after that. anyway, i'mma take that book of the shelf again with the holidays approaching.

I-Legit
06-23-2005, 08:27 AM
Legit, you got the mass produced bullshit. I read it twice. 15 quotes make the whole book. The rest of it is mostly big japanese names that you don't even bother pronouncing.
wtf u tryin to say?

Wu-Tality
06-23-2005, 08:40 AM
Hmm I heard good things about the 5 elements by Musashi.

LHX
06-23-2005, 08:43 AM
Yo
Yamamoto ..., the "author" of hagakure was like a fake gangsta. Yamamoto lived during a peaceful time in Japan, in other words there wasn't shit going on. He wrote about the ideals a samurai should live upto; he never had a chance to prove his loyalty or willingness to die for his master. No wars, no battles, just petty fueds between samurai. The fact that a bushido code had to be written down is pathetic. During the warring periods, no written code was needed. Later on the emperor used the Bushido code to his advantage to ensure civil stability.

Yamamoto himself was never given the highest position of the clan under his master. So the hagakure has a bitter tone in it. For example, Yamamoto wishes that he could be reborn seven times to serve his lord; and he said this after he retired to become a Buddhist monk, although he could not renounce his past life. He also failed to attain satori.
The hagakrue does have practical advice in it, and was republished heavily in Japan during the early 20th century. However, the book has become popular amongst Western businessmen today.

There's more shit to it, but you get the point, don't believe the hype.


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man

talk that all you want

western businessmen also read the art of war a lot

that dont mean that they get it

whether you get the short version or the long version

whether yamamoto had a chance to walk the walk or not

it is still a crucial book to read for anybody exploring high science or spirituality - especially these days which are plagued with neon lights and fake ass gangsta sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyit

this book is part of the remedy for big ego syndrome





for the record - i also read somewhere that yamamoto didnt even write the book - that one of his students wrote it down

and yamamoto didnt want it published

the knowledge in the book can be dangerous
but these days
the knowledge must be spread regardless

PEACE

Triple B
06-24-2005, 10:57 AM
this book is part of the remedy for big ego syndrome

2nd

fox7jr7
06-24-2005, 12:12 PM
Good read. I bought it at Barnes n Noble awhile ago. Some of its hard to understand but theres a lot of knowledge! I just saw another general Samurai book at Hastings that Ima pick up. Peace.

I-Legit
06-24-2005, 02:13 PM
Good read. I bought it at Barnes n Noble awhile ago. Some of its hard to understand but theres a lot of knowledge! I just saw another general Samurai book at Hastings that Ima pick up. Peace. ahh man your lucky..u guys got a Hastings....the one we had here in our town packed it's shit and left

SHEEPISH LORD OF CHAOS
06-24-2005, 03:01 PM
Proud Owner *D



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ME 2 LOVE THE BOOK AND READ IT EVERYDAY

LHX
06-24-2005, 06:12 PM
i think the book of the five rings is something similar

have not read that one yet tho

I-Legit
06-24-2005, 06:31 PM
i think the book of the five rings is something similar

have not read that one yet tho
Book of the Five rings explains the way this guy hid in a cave..and was like a chinese michealangelo ya know, painted..invented....and he invented the Shaolin Kung Fu Style.......n shit..lot more to it..dun wanna type so much tho

sakk
08-02-2005, 04:25 PM
Isnt Mayamato Musashi a Samurai who never lost a battle. Im gonna read this Hagakure.

LHX
08-02-2005, 05:02 PM
its ill man

straight ill

pure jewels

Rooty P
08-03-2005, 04:31 AM
I Own it. I read it. I Live it.

Muslimah
08-03-2005, 04:45 AM
hagakure...read it many times and will never stop reading it...

i have read the book of five rings by Musashi also... loved it

along the same lines..."Musashi" by Eiji Yoshikawa is a must read for all...

Ronin
08-03-2005, 08:10 AM
lol, anyone who beleives samurai were all mystical fighters and loyal to theit masters are idiots

ronin were fucking bad ass mercenaries who worked for any warlord that hired them

sure there is gonna be some loyal samurai through the ages killing themselves, but u can bet your bottom dollar more than half wouldnt

samurai have become mythical warriors through the ages, in reality they are like any other soldiers, rapists, murderers and theres alot of socumented cases of homosexuality

look beyond fantasy movies, zatoichi is about as real a perspective as you gonna get

im not saying they were all bad but they wernt all like the last samurai tribe

sure the hakagure is a nice philosaphy book, but to me philosophy is just logical phrases worded poetically

peace, dont get offended

LHX
08-03-2005, 08:15 AM
interesting opinion

maybe this should be in the "world according to ronin" thread

Ronin
08-04-2005, 08:56 AM
lol i hate the way historians mythisise people

maybe your fantasy land existed in some points through history but not every samurai beleived in the hakagure

LHX
08-04-2005, 09:05 AM
but not every samurai beleived in the hakagure
i cant find where i said that

Big Bad Man
08-04-2005, 06:24 PM
lol, anyone who beleives samurai were all mystical fighters and loyal to theit masters are idiots

ronin were fucking bad ass mercenaries who worked for any warlord that hired them

sure there is gonna be some loyal samurai through the ages killing themselves, but u can bet your bottom dollar more than half wouldnt

samurai have become mythical warriors through the ages, in reality they are like any other soldiers, rapists, murderers and theres alot of socumented cases of homosexuality

look beyond fantasy movies, zatoichi is about as real a perspective as you gonna get

im not saying they were all bad but they wernt all like the last samurai tribe

sure the hakagure is a nice philosaphy book, but to me philosophy is just logical phrases worded poetically

peace, dont get offended
Man. Musashi was a bumfighter so as much as I take an interest in the history of Japan I dont live it, breathe, be it or any of that shite. Know? Ronin is right. Philosophies are just logics put into perspective. Some are helpful to you, some aint. A good read, but dont believe everything you read.

LHX
08-04-2005, 07:39 PM
there aint much to believe in the hagakure

its all knowledge

some of it in the form of stories

Ronin
08-05-2005, 06:07 AM
cool, no doubt the samurai 'fantasy' is cool though, katana is easily the best sword of all time

Big Bad Man
08-05-2005, 07:59 AM
cool, no doubt the samurai 'fantasy' is cool though, katana is easily the best sword of all timeI Prefer the ninja! Now u see me now u dont, kill you by any means necessary type shit. Fuck respecting enemies samurai style if you can just ninja up, pull the head to 1 side and slice the other. Thats whats up. No nonsense!

LadySnowBlood
08-05-2005, 08:12 AM
out of topic,
but i have this great ninja bok at home -Mind Manipulation-
very interesting... you read it bbm?

LHX
08-05-2005, 08:50 AM
samurai fantasy?

respecting enemies?

fuck

maybe yall got a different version of the book

PEACE

Big Bad Man
08-05-2005, 06:17 PM
samurai fantasy?

respecting enemies?

fuck

maybe yall got a different version of the book

PEACE
Dont mean the book, Im answering about the samurai fantasy shite. Not what u lookin for in terms of replies, but some people think samurai in terms of that fantasy shite n therefore its a must it be known. So it kinda links to ur point I hink.

Naw LSB, it sounds like a ninja porno though lol. No read it. Only read a few ninja books about the lifestyle under the mask back in the days, the weapons n all that shite.

LHX
08-05-2005, 06:34 PM
Dont mean the book, Im answering about the samurai fantasy shite. Not what u lookin for in terms of replies, but some people think samurai in terms of that fantasy shite n therefore its a must it be known. So it kinda links to ur point I hink.

Naw LSB, it sounds like a ninja porno though lol. No read it. Only read a few ninja books about the lifestyle under the mask back in the days, the weapons n all that shite.
i hear you

i hear you

there aint too much glamor involved fo sho sho

PEACE

tostones
08-05-2005, 07:28 PM
Peace LHX

Which edition of the Hagakure do you recommend? I've read that the Wilson Scott Wilson translation does not include the majority of writings by Tsunetomo.

peace

LHX
08-05-2005, 11:24 PM
PEACE yo

yeah the only one i own is the cut down one with only selected readings

i saw the full version once

it was fucking huge

in some moby dick territory

PEACE

tostones
08-06-2005, 03:43 PM
Peace LHX

That sounds crazy, I've never seen the full edition. I might have to go on a mission soon :i

I have read the more available one, and true indeed much knowledge. At times, very subtle and rewarding.
PEACE

SubtleEnergies
10-01-2005, 07:16 AM
I like Musashi by Eiji Yoshikawa. I once gave it to someone I cared about alot. Its weird how some things feel like a different life.

SubtleEnergies
10-01-2005, 07:17 AM
I have mind manipulation. I t was ok, not what I expected. I guess my expectations were a little high...I thought it would enable me to control masses and weave a web of deceit leading to my success :|

TeknicelStylez
10-01-2005, 07:39 AM
The way people percieve samurai is so different from the actuality of it all. The beauty of a sword fight to the death is rediculous. My cousin wrote a track about 2 samurai meeting on top of a snow peaked mountain to have a battle to the death, the song is fuckin amazing, the imagery and the description. He's been training in shaolin for 7 years so he is very enlightened spiritually and mentally.

When 2 people meet to engage in a fight to the death, it's beautiful.

Read Secret Tactics, good ass book.