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BlaK FuRYaN
02-08-2006, 10:41 AM
Students of knowledge, when you have the time, please drop a brief thread on weather you believe the Quran is the words of The God or not...

please state weather youv'e read the Quran or not before sharing your views...

For those who have read the Quran, please state your views
For those who haven't read the Quran, but may have read literiture concerning the Quran, please state the conclusion from your evaluations on weather you believe the Quran to be the words of The God or not...

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Aqueous Moon
02-08-2006, 11:08 AM
The Quran is knowledge, all knowledge must be defragmented and inspected to bring about understanding of that knowledge...

Never take anything on face value...I don't care what form it comes in.

Words are a funny thing. They can be misinterpreted, they can have double meanings, they can also be mistranslated.

The great thing about the Quran is the numeric significance applied within the surrahs.

Math is so much more universal than words. Numbers have a fixed value that never change.

This is something I learned about the Quran that I thought was very interesting and important...

God is an architect, math controls the universe...words are way too fickle.

BlaK FuRYaN
02-08-2006, 11:58 AM
The Quran is knowledge, all knowledge must be defragmented and inspected to bring about understanding of that knowledge...

Never take anything on face value...I don't care what form it comes in.

Words are a funny thing. They can be misinterpreted, they can have double meanings, they can also be mistranslated.

The great thing about the Quran is the numeric significance applied within the surrahs.

Math is so much more universal than words. Numbers have a fixed value that never change.

This is something I learned about the Quran that I thought was very interesting and important...

God is an architect, math controls the universe...words are way too fickle.

peace yo.
I'm also aware of the numerical signicance in the surah's of the Quran, but haven't gone deep into it yet.
The Quran can be understood from all levels of understanding, from a scholastic understanding to the lowest level of comprehention.
Not every one can comprehend the arithmatics behind the Quran like how you can and other scholars can...

Numbers are important. I agree
But can numbers instruct a Muslim on how he/she is suposed to worship
The God?

Words can be fickle, i agree, especially translated words which can be played around with to give different meaning (example the Bible)

But The God revealed the Quran in Arabic which(the words) are infallable and every musllim on earth prays in Arabic.

Aqueous Moon
02-08-2006, 12:27 PM
Peace Blak

That's a very good point you brought up, about the Arabic language.

I think I agree with you on that. However, how is it that the orthodox Muslims like the Arabs derive a completely different understanding from the Quran than we do?...(Nation Of Gods and Earths).

I mean, arabic is their native tounge and yet they still refer to Allah as some kind of omnipotent spook.

We use universal supreme mathematics to increase our understanding of the Truth and have discovered a more universal understanding of the same words.

That makes me think that some people are taking the words in the Quran on face value.

So, I ask you...Who is doing that, them or us?

Koolish
02-08-2006, 06:23 PM
i haven't read the Qur'an but have read about it.

now from what i know, it was given to Mohammed from Gabriel, so if that happened, then it is the words of allah.

from a theological point of view, i don't know if it has been proven (i read this in a text book), mohammed grew up in an area with lots of Jews and Christians, preached his own word and followers later wrote it down.
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BlaK FuRYaN
02-09-2006, 09:25 AM
Peace Blak

That's a very good point you brought up, about the Arabic language.

I think I agree with you on that. However, how is it that the orthodox Muslims like the Arabs derive a completely different understanding from the Quran than we do?...(Nation Of Gods and Earths).

I mean, arabic is their native tounge and yet they still refer to Allah as some kind of omnipotent spook.

We use universal supreme mathematics to increase our understanding of the Truth and have discovered a more universal understanding of the same words.

That makes me think that some people are taking the words in the Quran on face value.

So, I ask you...Who is doing that, them or us?

peace bro

if the mathematics derived from the Qur'an brings you to the universal truth that "Theres none worthy of worship but Allah and prophet Muhammad peace be upon is His last messenger" then prais be to Allah.

If these Arabs and anyone else for that matter refer to Allah in a way thats different to the way Allah referes to Himself in His Quran, then there understanding of Allah is incorrect.

There are commands by Allah in His Qur'an for Muslims to take heed to, which can only be taken in by the simple Muslim at face value.
whats lawful and unlawful
rights between the husband and wife
purifying the heart 7 body ect.

Mathematics might not be able to and might be abit difficult for muslims whose intellect cannot comprehend the arithmatic...

Allah said This Qur'an is for men of understanding, so take heed. It's not supposed to baffle man.

My point is there's a range of commands and warnings and tidings which need to be understood by the muslim and taken in at face value.

please define to me what a SPOOK is when u have time

peace

BlaK FuRYaN
02-09-2006, 09:32 AM
i haven't read the Qur'an but have read about it.

now from what i know, it was given to Mohammed from Gabriel, so if that happened, then it is the words of allah. that's right!

from a theological point of view, i don't know if it has been proven (i read this in a text book), mohammed grew up in an area with lots of Jews and Christians, preached his own word and followers later wrote it down.
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him did'nt have his own words to preach.
Everything he spoke of was revealed to him in the Qur'an, which was later compiled into what we have now.

Prophet Muhammad did migrate to Medina where the jews were expecting his arrival.
They (jews) were expecting his arrival becuase Allah mentioned to the jews in there scripture (Tawrah) about the advent of prophet muhammad pbuh.

When he came the jews were supposed to accept prophet muhammad but instead rejected him becuase he wasn't one of them(not a jew) but an arab. (Rasicm)

Remember, prophet muhammad was an illiterate, he could niether read or write, so he could not have breach anything from the previous scriptures from Isa(Jesus)pbuh or Musa(moses) pbuh

LORD NOSE
02-09-2006, 10:25 AM
i have read the Quaran a few times - its a great book - feels like it speaks directly to you - the bible has the same effect, buts its effect is more distant - not as potent - is it from ALLAH ? - why ask us this -

LHX
02-09-2006, 10:28 AM
the quran is no more the word of god than all the posts in this forum


this is like the argument about eating processed foods instead of taking the fruit from the tree

god is the apple
when you cook the apple
you are altering its original state

when you cook and add ingredients
you are further altering its original state

when you cook
and separate some portions
and add ingredients
you are even further altering its original state

when you cook
separate
add
and re-package
it is even further altered




the english language is still the word of god
except at this point
it is diluted
confused
ugly
and awkward




the word of god is what you hear when you arent trying to listen to anything

LORD NOSE
02-09-2006, 10:31 AM
is Jabril/GabriEL ALLAH ?

didn't muhammad speak what was revealed to him from Jabril to the people ?

then the people later wrote down what muhammad said to them ?


did they understand him correctly ?

were there any, who had their hands in the writings, really against Muhammad but played like they was for him ?


does not the Quaran say that it confirms the scripture that came before it ?


if its a conformation of another book before it, can you really comprehend its intent without reading the scripture before it -


ponder on those things if you dare - and let us know your findings -

those of us who seek the truth will lose our religions (reli on jinns) in a heart beat or faster

Aqueous Moon
02-09-2006, 10:46 AM
peace bro

if the mathematics derived from the Qur'an brings you to the universal truth that "Theres none worthy of worship but Allah and prophet Muhammad peace be upon is His last messenger" then prais be to Allah.

If these Arabs and anyone else for that matter refer to Allah in a way thats different to the way Allah referes to Himself in His Quran, then there understanding of Allah is incorrect.

There are commands by Allah in His Qur'an for Muslims to take heed to, which can only be taken in by the simple Muslim at face value.
whats lawful and unlawful
rights between the husband and wife
purifying the heart 7 body ect.

Mathematics might not be able to and might be abit difficult for muslims whose intellect cannot comprehend the arithmatic...

Allah said This Qur'an is for men of understanding, so take heed. It's not supposed to baffle man.

My point is there's a range of commands and warnings and tidings which need to be understood by the muslim and taken in at face value.

please define to me what a SPOOK is when u have time

peace

Peace Blak,

Just for clarifications, I am a wombman.

Why would anybody need to take anything on face value ? That's what I am saying about the difference between words and math.

Taking words in the Quran on face value causes pain and confusion. For a muslim to take words on face value because they can't understand their real meaning is unproductive. The muslim must increase his understanding.

A spook is a ghost or a being that is not material. I use the word to mean a mystery God, whom I can't see.
Peace

LORD NOSE
02-09-2006, 11:32 AM
you can only see god in the 5th dimesion mr.spock has to take you there - when you get there, there will be this big fire looking glowing energy type of thing - thats god - it will speak to you in a james earl jones type of voice -

thou art thitheth foreth the cometh - and then you'll turn pale white from fear - then mr. spock will take you back home on his space back costume

Aqueous Moon
02-09-2006, 11:49 AM
LOL yeah, star trek! I'm digging it!

BlaK FuRYaN
02-09-2006, 04:22 PM
Peace Blak,

Just for clarifications, I am a wombman.

Why would anybody need to take anything on face value ? That's what I am saying about the difference between words and math.

Taking words in the Quran on face value causes pain and confusion. For a muslim to take words on face value because they can't understand their real meaning is unproductive. The muslim must increase his understanding.


A spook is a ghost or a being that is not material. I use the word to mean a mystery God, whom I can't see.


Peace

Taking words in the Quran on face value causes pain and confusion. For a muslim to take words on face value because they can't understand their real meaning is unproductive. The muslim must increase his understanding.
Can you show me how what ever mathematics you have, has given you a better understanding or the real meaning of the Quran and how it has brought you to the truth please. you need to to teach me this!


A spook is a ghost or a being that is not material. I use the word to mean a mystery God, whom I can't see.

okay so if there was something tangible which represented Allah would you worship it...?

7EL7
02-09-2006, 04:29 PM
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BlaK FuRYaN
02-09-2006, 04:31 PM
is Jabril/GabriEL ALLAH ?

didn't muhammad speak what was revealed to him from Jabril to the people ?

then the people later wrote down what muhammad said to them ?


did they understand him correctly ?

were there any, who had their hands in the writings, really against Muhammad but played like they was for him ?


does not the Quaran say that it confirms the scripture that came before it ?


if its a conformation of another book before it, can you really comprehend its intent without reading the scripture before it -


ponder on those things if you dare - and let us know your findings -

those of us who seek the truth will lose our religions (reli on jinns) in a heart beat or faster

I did make an effort to answer these question, when i posted it, the page said log in, when i went back to copy and paste it it was gone.
Ill be on 2 morrow to answer what i can.

Listen sunny. I aint here to mock you or any one els up in here, i posed a question to find out what ppl in here thought about the Quran.
I aint a scholar, or a super supreme mathematical god black man. Im a student of knowledge jus like yourself tryna have a flexible mind which is necessary for the flexibility of every intelligent search for the truth.

If your are part of NOGE or NOI
then let me know there fundamental beliefs or mathematics, so we can build...

Let me knoow what you know about Islam, Allah and proophet Muhammad pbuh...

If you present a truth to methen its up to me to abondon misguidance in exchange for that truth and like wise...

so whuts up!

Aqueous Moon
02-09-2006, 06:20 PM
Taking words in the Quran on face value causes pain and confusion. For a muslim to take words on face value because they can't understand their real meaning is unproductive. The muslim must increase his understanding.
Can you show me how what ever mathematics you have, has given you a better understanding or the real meaning of the Quran and how it has brought you to the truth please. you need to to teach me this!


A spook is a ghost or a being that is not material. I use the word to mean a mystery God, whom I can't see.

okay so if there was something tangible which represented Allah would you worship it...?

peace

Does 1 + 2 = 3 ?

I use math as a foundation for everything I do, read, or study. Simply put, if it doesn't add up then it is not Truth.

no, I won't worship anything representing something else. My devotion to the Truth is about as close to worshiping something as it gets for me.

LHX
02-09-2006, 07:59 PM
is there anything tangible that doesnt represent allah?


the only things that cause confusion are the intangible things
like words that are tricks

LORD NOSE
02-09-2006, 09:20 PM
I did make an effort to answer these question, when i posted it, the page said log in, when i went back to copy and paste it it was gone.
Ill be on 2 morrow to answer what i can.

Listen sunny. I aint here to mock you or any one els up in here, i posed a question to find out what ppl in here thought about the Quran.
I aint a scholar, or a super supreme mathematical god black man. Im a student of knowledge jus like yourself tryna have a flexible mind which is necessary for the flexibility of every intelligent search for the truth.

If your are part of NOGE or NOI
then let me know there fundamental beliefs or mathematics, so we can build...

Let me knoow what you know about Islam, Allah and proophet Muhammad pbuh...

If you present a truth to methen its up to me to abondon misguidance in exchange for that truth and like wise...

so whuts up!

the overall message is "PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS" - some will ask "well what is right to you ?"

i say "if you don't know right from wrong then your lost"



am i a part of the NOGE or the NOI ?
- I HOLD NO ALLEGIANCE TO ANY GROUP OR GATHERING I JUST AM -
however the NOGE AND NOI is my family for life along with the orthodox community,JW, etc... - i'm on leave forever - i stay in the muds for life until death - its how i was built - but enough about me - you all would have to see how these opposed groups influenced the world and that takes alot of time and study - most are caught up in their community practices and shun every and anything that does not look familar to them -
in order to open your mind and respect those who see things differently, you have to humble yourselves - but whats obvious is obvious and some are here to make trouble

LORD NOSE
07-03-2009, 05:43 PM
good build

zooruka
07-03-2009, 07:17 PM
they are the words of the devil !


peace be with you !

LORD NOSE
07-03-2009, 07:29 PM
they are the words of the devil !


peace be with you !

its basically saying the same thing that the bible says

its just not as violent

have you read either books ?

zooruka
07-03-2009, 08:10 PM
it says that jesus never died on the cross


it says not to take jews and christians as friends


this is the devils talk


peace be with you !

LORD NOSE
07-03-2009, 08:33 PM
it says that jesus never died on the cross


it says not to take jews and christians as friends


this is the devils talk


peace be with you !


do you know whats written in the bible ?

do you want to see what is in the bible ?


the Quaran Confirms the bible -


have you read the bible ?


cause if you think that whats written in the Quaran is from the devil based off of that quote, then after reading the bible, you'll say the same about it


and by now, i know that this is a game you're playing - you're most likely an atheist trying to prove a point

IBRAHIM
07-04-2009, 01:47 PM
prof zooruka, U R devil, man :) takin wordz from tha context, dont know arabic (it`s not a problem, just compare translations, there are a lot of them, at least, read some tafsirs), and talk all that silly stuff.

"jesus never died on the cross"

so u was there? oh man its very interestin tell us more.