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iniquity
03-02-2006, 03:27 AM
-Are we raised & taught to be the working class & only that?

-If one product damages or kills another product we are considered defective therefor they take you away from the others because you're bad for business. Name a billionaire that has been executed?

-Are social security numbers really product numbers?

-Why do we let them be rich?

-Why do we agree to being the "middle class"?

-Why do we let them separate us?

-Why do we have to have a dream?

-We can't all be on t.v. Can we?

-Why do we work?


Just shit that bugs me. At times I feel that I'm the only one awake and everyone is sleepwalking themselves to and from the mall. It's like slavery never died, they just perfected it.

Agree / Disagree?

BlaK FuRYaN
03-02-2006, 06:02 AM
I think so, i think we are considered to be HUMAN-RESOURCES
and resources can be desposed off...
I think we live in a culture of servents and slaves, groomed to become better sufficient tools for the system...

In society you asked "what do you want to be when you grow up?"
Your defined by what occupation you have...

When you persue a subject in Higher education, they give you no room for individual opinion or to create new ideas and theory's...

Instead your told to read/study stacks of books and construct essays according to what Singmond floyd said or what Shakespear said...

Genius's and entrapernuers aitn desired in this culture...
They want people to be funtionally literate full stop...

So don't think too much, if you please...!

piss take

hidden ninja
03-02-2006, 08:52 AM
-Are we raised & taught to be the working class & only that?

-If one product damages or kills another product we are considered defective therefor they take you away from the others because you're bad for business. Name a billionaire that has been executed?

-Are social security numbers really product numbers?

-Why do we let them be rich?

-Why do we agree to being the "middle class"?

-Why do we let them separate us?

-Why do we have to have a dream?

-We can't all be on t.v. Can we?

-Why do we work?


Just shit that bugs me. At times I feel that I'm the only one awake and everyone is sleepwalking themselves to and from the mall. It's like slavery never died, they just perfected it.

Agree / Disagree?I'm with you. I feel like the Politicans and CEOs view us as numbers, and not people. we are born and live life so they can get paid. and what's it all for? money?


What I'm wondering though, is why do we let them control us?
Don't we outnumber them?

SlightlySlightedFan
03-02-2006, 09:05 AM
Yes we are a product.

We are a genetic product which is in turn sold on the global market.
Many of us allow ourselves or are forced to be sold cheaply.

Slavery has been very loosely deconstructed and spread to everyone in minor incraments.

We do outnumber them. But that's the easy part.
What would we do if we were them?

Wamukota X
03-02-2006, 09:17 AM
A simple term that explains all of this is called "Colonialism".

SlightlySlightedFan
03-02-2006, 09:23 AM
We were genetic before we were colonists. We sold things and things that aren't things before that.
Once conceived, you are either an asset or a debt. Always been that way. For everyone.
It sucks but thats it.

LHX
03-02-2006, 09:26 AM
-Are we raised & taught to be the working class & only that? ------ no - BUT we do not really have an environment that allows us to become anything more than that

-If one product damages or kills another product we are considered defective therefor they take you away from the others because you're bad for business. Name a billionaire that has been executed? -------- enron - kennedy - and the president who was crippled by polio

-Are social security numbers really product numbers? -------- no

-Why do we let them be rich? --------- because their 'wealth' is actually worthless

-Why do we agree to being the "middle class"? -------- the middle class is disappearing

-Why do we let them separate us? --------- because they dont know what else to do - and most people dont see a reason to fight

-Why do we have to have a dream? -------- because we watched too much disney

-We can't all be on t.v. Can we? ------- yes (watch what happens with camera phones)

-Why do we work? --------- that is a good question


Just shit that bugs me. At times I feel that I'm the only one awake and everyone is sleepwalking themselves to and from the mall. It's like slavery never died, they just perfected it.

Agree / Disagree?

good thread

dont be a victim

remember
there is no oppressor anywhere


peace

Wamukota X
03-02-2006, 09:39 AM
We were genetic before we were colonists. We sold things and things that aren't things before that.
Once conceived, you are either an asset or a debt. Always been that way. For everyone.
It sucks but thats it.


The colonialism I was refering to is the colonization of our physical and mental bodies.

Aqueous Moon
03-02-2006, 12:01 PM
-Are we raised & taught to be the working class & only that?

-If one product damages or kills another product we are considered defective therefor they take you away from the others because you're bad for business. Name a billionaire that has been executed?

-Are social security numbers really product numbers?

-Why do we let them be rich?

-Why do we agree to being the "middle class"?

-Why do we let them separate us?

-Why do we have to have a dream?

-We can't all be on t.v. Can we?

-Why do we work?


Just shit that bugs me. At times I feel that I'm the only one awake and everyone is sleepwalking themselves to and from the mall. It's like slavery never died, they just perfected it.

Agree / Disagree?

Peace

Agree!!! It's capitolism...and it's just a evil game they play to get rich and stay rich....

dif de la rev
03-02-2006, 01:41 PM
the ruling class of the rich put forth the products that we 'utlize' to be what it is we want and they can manipulate those very resources like a puppetier or yo yo where you are coming and going. they seperate so they can fuel their very system of one out of many in sense that out of us there is a lotto like a pool of genes and cess figure out which not to drink from. they were rich from birth - nepotism his seeds maryy his seeds keep money in the family. to bear with the reality that is a living nightmare to actually support even if you don't want so dream or put those thoughts into practice. tv yeah the audience now participates. its capitalism that is what is established to front an ideological system of whuch the gov't is just the light and those who put out the ideas are in the background. the middle class used to be the ruling class when cities were smaller and there was more interaction among people. as for being seperated blame technology less human interaction so people can't relate on the human level it's made them cold to themselves - mental driods in real flesh. retro imperialism and neo colonialism. the economy and jobs going out while can't leave this country unless have means to subsist in the other. its a fucking farm system of experiments and test people volunteer or are paid.

Fr@z
03-02-2006, 02:40 PM
homonessness slipped in my fucking reign

tajeco
03-02-2006, 11:49 PM
A simple term that explains all of this is called "Colonialism".

Yeah. Fucked up shit. And falsified patriotism in the form of Capitalism, maximized profits by out-sourcing jobs
I wrote some shit awhile back:
"One nation, under..."
corporations
taking over the world
using misinformation

Blazing Fire
03-03-2006, 12:31 AM
word up tajeco

shit is disgusting

nothing gives u your freedom back like good old guns and ammo god bless the second amendment

inchrgofmine
03-03-2006, 02:47 PM
Good Thread. Tajeca is especially on point. It really seems like the Peoples' eyes are covered by this ill veil of confusion and fear.

LHX
03-03-2006, 03:59 PM
nobody controls corporations

SlightlySlightedFan
03-04-2006, 08:49 AM
The colonialism I was refering to is the colonization of our physical and mental bodies.

Please be this specific in future.

THE W
03-04-2006, 09:02 AM
do you guys believe that resources are limited or that everyone could have the same things(luxury house, luxury car, good food, etc)?

LHX
03-04-2006, 09:36 AM
do you guys believe that resources are limited or that everyone could have the same things(luxury house, luxury car, good food, etc)?

we can have the same thing

but
not luxury



thats something that peeps got to find on their own

THE W
03-04-2006, 09:52 AM
we can have the same thing

but
not luxury



thats something that peeps got to find on their own
so you do believe that resources are limited?

LHX
03-04-2006, 10:52 AM
so you do believe that resources are limited?

is a tricky question

i would say that resources are unlimited
BUT
what we are witnessing is the consumption of resources faster than the planet is able to regenerate resources


so
if you stretch the timeline out
we will run out of resources
BUT
as soon as their is nobody to consume the resources any more
the planet will begin producing resources once again

THE W
03-04-2006, 11:11 AM
so resources are unlimted but not inexaustable...interesting.

i myself believe that the resources that are available could alocated a lot better. there could be a place where resources are not just given away but they could be A LOT more easily accessible. i dont think the prices for many things is based on maintaining resources but more about capitolizing on peoples needs.

im not saying lets take from the rich anf give to the poor(but maybe thats ultimately what would happen) but make resources and goods(especially essential resources and goods) more accessible.

LHX
03-04-2006, 11:53 AM
ultimately
its a question of what we do with resources

it is a law of thermodynamics that nothing is ever destroyed - it only changes form

so
when we use resources
we arent destroying them

instead - we are converting them into a form that can no longer be readily used by us


so now
we have taken all this fuel from the ground
and converted it to metal in the air

humans cannot really thrive when there is metal in the air

we call it 'pollution'
and
'toxicity'


the costs of production go beyond simply using up our resources

they create scarcity of resources
which leads to competition and conflict between people
and
they also help produce an environment that cannot sustain human life




resources could definitely be allocated better

peace

THE W
03-04-2006, 12:00 PM
the costs of production go beyond simply using up our resources

they create scarcity of resources
which leads to competition and conflict between people
and
they also help produce an environment that cannot sustain human life


so you say that the MAIN reason the price of gas to fuel our cars and heat our homes has skyrocketted was to protect the environment?

LHX
03-04-2006, 12:11 PM
no

if they really wanted to protect the environment

gas would cost a shit load more
to the point that nobody could afford it



back in the 60s or 70s
buckminster fuller did a study on the price of gas

he said that is fuel was to accurately reflect the REAL value (environmentally AND production costs) on the planet
then fuel would cost approximately $300 000 (three hundred thousand) dollars per liter

and that was 30-40 years ago



is society doomed?
you tell me

LHX
03-04-2006, 12:19 PM
no

if they really wanted to protect the environment

gas would cost a shit load more
to the point that nobody could afford it



back in the 60s or 70s
buckminster fuller did a study on the price of gas

he said that is fuel was to accurately reflect the REAL value (environmentally AND production costs) on the planet
then fuel would cost approximately $300 000 (three hundred thousand) dollars per liter

and that was 30-40 years ago



is society doomed?
you tell me

my bad

i gave some false information
fuller was working at cost of fuel per gallon not liter

here is the wikipedia entry --

Viewing petroleum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum) from the standpoint of its replacement cost out of our current energy "budget" (essentially the incoming solar flux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power)), he declared that it had cost nature "over a million dollars" per U.S. gallon ($300,000/L) to produce. From this point of view its use as a transportation fuel by people commuting to work represents a huge net loss compared to their earnings.

THE W
03-04-2006, 12:21 PM
to have people pay that much wouldnt be very socially conscious. i dont think the prices now are all that socially conscious either and its not like they're spending money to make gasoline more environmentally sound since it was reported on the news that gas companies are recording record profits.

LHX
03-04-2006, 12:27 PM
just like a farmer uses the seeds from this years harvest
as the foundation for next years harvest

an intelligent petroleum farmer would be using the proceeds from this years harvest to make sure that we will even have a society next year

but
it isnt working that way



back in the day when we had no idea how scarce fuel was
we had an excuse to keep it coming
but now
we know we cant keep it up
but
were fucked because now our society depends on it

like a junky who cant kick a habit



whats worse?
making a move that isnt socially conscious?
or
not having a society to be conscious about?

THE W
03-04-2006, 12:43 PM
we better start looking for other energy sources sometime around now then. start working on that water-powered vehicle.

you'd think with all the technology we have we would have been found some alternative.

LHX
03-04-2006, 01:28 PM
either that
or
get used to walking

or maybe learn to build boats

galt john galt
03-04-2006, 01:35 PM
self-sufficency as the first and last resource. enter interdependentcy for resourses in sufficent to have be.

THE W
03-04-2006, 02:15 PM
so why cant every person who goes out for work be able to have the essential resources to live? not luxuries, but the essesntials such as food, water, heat, housing.

it seems as though capitalism ensures that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. and its funny cuz the wealthy doesnt even make up 10% of the country. if the USA is the richest nation and we've got all this money then why are people struggling to make ends meet?

LHX
03-04-2006, 02:35 PM
the system is broken man

dont look for logic in it


poor people are dumb
rich people are cowards

there is nobody to blame

its time to start picking up the pieces
re-build from the ground up

TeknicelStylez
03-04-2006, 03:04 PM
poor people are dumb


I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me stupid L...

galt john galt
03-04-2006, 03:17 PM
the system is broken man

dont look for logic in it


poor people are dumb
rich people are cowards

dumb are poor cowards
rich are not looking for logic
looking for logic makes you dumb

system was never fixed its a work in progress.

dumb don't accept it as in propgress
rich know it will not become broken

Strange Fruit
03-04-2006, 03:29 PM
[quote=iniquity]
-Are we raised & taught to be the working class & only that?
we are raised and taught that the working class is not some thing to look down upon. should we happen to be promoted, that's good too. but we are really taught to be prepared for anything. if the lazy guy next door ends up getting the manager position you've applied for over and over, it's a disappointment, but where you are does not mean who you are.


-Are social security numbers really product numbers?
they say in the future, we'll be recognised as numbers and not as human beings. or has that already happened?

-Why do we let them be rich?
sometimes we're too scared of failure and risk... so we SETTLE.

-Why do we agree to being the "middle class"?
why do we stop ourselves from being in a class of our own?

-Why do we let them separate us?
because we subconsciously wish their approval.

-Why do we have to have a dream?
so one day, we can look back and say "it all started with a dream".

-We can't all be on t.v. Can we?
yes we can. what the hell is stopping you?!

-Why do we work?
ideally, to be self actualised. but now, to make money.

It's like slavery never died, they just perfected it.
it's like we're going clockwise, in a new clock each time.

do i agree or disagree? neither.

TeknicelStylez
03-04-2006, 03:30 PM
Galt is scrambling words up
Word scrambling not making sense
Sense is making the word scrambling

LHX
03-04-2006, 04:49 PM
I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me stupid L...

why would you take that personal?

i am just making unreasonable generalizations



im in the same boat anyway

LHX
03-04-2006, 04:51 PM
dumb are poor cowards
rich are not looking for logic
looking for logic makes you dumb

system was never fixed its a work in progress.

dumb don't accept it as in propgress
rich know it will not become broken

?


i already read alice in wonderland?

THE W
03-04-2006, 05:30 PM
i guess the system is the system and we got 3 choices:

change it

work with it

get out of it

galt john galt
03-04-2006, 05:41 PM
i guess the system is the system and we got 3 choices:

change it that takes politics outside the system

work with itthat takes business within the system

get out of it that takes politics and business to understand the system you would be entering - a philosophy

three choices that can be done in one blow if the blow is with the mind and not with money or muscle.

hidden ninja
03-04-2006, 06:12 PM
what about destroying it?

THE W
03-04-2006, 06:40 PM
what about destroying it?
that would go under changing it.

LHX
03-04-2006, 08:10 PM
i guess the system is the system and we got 3 choices:

change it

work with it

get out of it

this is the correct summary of the situation


dynamite is on point

change it - to what?
work with it - seems to be a suicide mission
get out of it - and go where?

the dilemmas

Aqueous Moon
03-04-2006, 08:27 PM
yes! LHX, you are soo smart...it's all a dilemma. Especially this.

LHX
03-04-2006, 08:32 PM
yes! LHX, you are soo smart...it's all a dilemma. Especially this.

especially this


seriously
it is on my mind 25 hours a day


LHX - hasnt relaxed since 2002

hectis
03-04-2006, 08:45 PM
So Lhx What Do U Think We Should Do?

LHX
03-04-2006, 08:50 PM
fuck

thats tough man

i dont want to say i dont know
but
i dont want to front like some knucklehead anarchist and say 'tear it down'
or
pretend i have the answers for everybody




the ancient wisdom says 'wait'
but
i dont feel too comfortable waiting





these are the conversations we need to be having

this is what we should be doing

hectis
03-04-2006, 08:54 PM
fuck

thats tough man

i dont want to say i dont know
but
i dont want to front like some knucklehead anarchist and say 'tear it down'
or
pretend i have the answers for everybody




the ancient wisdom says 'wait'
but
i dont feel too comfortable waiting





these are the conversations we need to be having

this is what we should be doing


I FEEL U ON THAT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BLIND AND THINK EVERY THING IS WELL?

LHX
03-04-2006, 08:58 PM
I FEEL U ON THAT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BLIND AND THINK EVERY THING IS WELL?

make knowledge available for them
but
if they show no signs of trying to learn
let them go down



you are not your brothers keeper

THE W
03-04-2006, 09:01 PM
many people have chosen option 2 which is to "work with the system". they'll just go along with what has been established and hope for the best. and it goes well if your financially well off.

hectis
03-04-2006, 09:02 PM
You Know It Is Sad But Only A Few Seem To Get It But The Rest Will Be Like What The Fuck Are U Talkin About Im Fine As Long As Im Makin Money That Is What I Like About The Net There Are More People Willing To Build Then Stay Blind

LHX
03-04-2006, 09:06 PM
You Know It Is Sad But Only A Few Seem To Get It But The Rest Will Be Like What The Fuck Are U Talkin About Im Fine As Long As Im Makin Money That Is What I Like About The Net There Are More People Willing To Build Then Stay Blind

i was thinkin the same shit today

its like
some of the people who post on these forums are true visionaries in society
trying to look for a real way to get shit done


its one of the only things that makes living on this planet tolerable right now

LHX
03-04-2006, 09:07 PM
many people have chosen option 2 which is to "work with the system". they'll just go along with what has been established and hope for the best. and it goes well if your financially well off.

and that worked for a long time

especially when it wasnt obvious how destructive this way of life really is


but
the shit is piling up
and its really starting to stink


lots of global unrest
environment getting undeniably bad
strange diseases coming up
people not knowing how to eat no more

its gettin thick

THE W
03-04-2006, 09:12 PM
i think they see how destructive this way of living is now but they dont care. its the haves verses the have nots. things wont change until the have start to see reprocutions for their action. right now the have nots are suffering for the have's bullshit.

LHX
03-04-2006, 09:20 PM
i think that is why so many spiritual systems show the society of man ending in apocalypse

the only thing that will stop some people from their self-destructive behavior
is if they get destroyed



the situation right now is so foul
it is ridiculous

this society is facing legitimate
almost imminent threats
but
we keep on going as if there is nothing wrong


is there any option besides destruction?

THE W
03-04-2006, 09:36 PM
a person has to be met with the reprocution of his actions and also realize the benefits of the alternative to change his path. thats not happening with the rich and wealthy. none of the things that are happening effect them at all. wealth makes them invinsible to almost all of life's problems.

there is no reason for them to stop.

LHX
03-04-2006, 09:39 PM
a person has to be met with the reprocution of his actions and also realize the benefits of the alternative to change his path. thats not happening with the rich and wealthy. none of the things that are happening effect them at all. wealth makes them invinsible to almost all of life's problems.

there is no reason for them to stop.

the thing is tho

if you take a good look at the wealthy
you see how diseased and tormented they really are anyway

thats the problem with poverty-striken people admiring what the wealthy have

there are no wealthy people that are happy


their entire lives consist of trying to get more
and more
and more

it never ends


they are blind to legitimate problems
but
they have created a bottomless pit of problems anyway

THE W
03-04-2006, 09:56 PM
no one is ever satisfied with anything. because of that, the wealthy will do what ever it takes to be even more wealthy and powerful because while money will not satisfy them, its the only thing give them any type of pleasure. money is like a drug to these people.

Blazing Fire
03-05-2006, 04:57 AM
Yep people always want more...

We can eat or starve to death we have choices

as long as u eatin u want more out of life....

pass the blunt rza

hidden ninja
03-05-2006, 07:55 AM
i think that is why so many spiritual systems show the society of man ending in apocalypse

the only thing that will stop some people from their self-destructive behavior
is if they get destroyed



the situation right now is so foul
it is ridiculous

this society is facing legitimate
almost imminent threats
but
we keep on going as if there is nothing wrong


is there any option besides destruction?Good post.

Destruction can't be avoided, but do we rebuild?
Now is not the time to sleep, the next world is ours to create.

galt john galt
03-05-2006, 12:55 PM
Good post.

Destruction can't be avoided, but do we rebuild?
Now is not the time to sleep, the next world is ours to create.


before we re build must destroy.
must destroy we the basis of structure.
basis of structure fiat money - "trust in god"
"trust in god" promised by government

new government is a no-no
new god is a no-no

must start civil disobedience. disobedience to government and currency.

LHX
03-05-2006, 01:04 PM
as long as u eatin u want more out of life....


not necessarily true

LHX
03-05-2006, 01:09 PM
Destruction can't be avoided, but do we rebuild?
good question

if yes - WHAT do we rebuild?

irrigation systems
farms
floating islands
pyramids


Now is not the time to sleep, the next world is ours to create.
this society is going to take a lot of people with it as it goes down

maybe the next society will be built with reduction

LHX
03-05-2006, 01:10 PM
before we re build must destroy.
must destroy we the basis of structure.
basis of structure fiat money - "trust in god"
"trust in god" promised by government

new government is a no-no
new god is a no-no

must start civil disobedience. disobedience to government and currency.

this society needs to stop all production of everything

its the only chance

or else
production is going to be stopped by someone/thing else



disobedience to society
is
obedience to higher forces