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abasi
03-28-2006, 01:52 PM
i was thinking about something the other day
maybe i should of checked the bible before posting
i know lucifer was an angel and angels didnt have free will
so how could he have turned against god

Aqueous Moon
03-28-2006, 01:57 PM
You take all them bible stories literally??

abasi
03-28-2006, 02:00 PM
there's truth in every story

abasi
03-28-2006, 02:18 PM
so we should throw out the bible,torah and koran
as well as all the creation stories

begongo
03-28-2006, 02:46 PM
there`s alot of stuff in the bible that doesn`t match... don`t worry there`s no sugar :D

LilDirtyBastard
03-28-2006, 04:57 PM
i was thinking about something the other day
maybe i should of checked the bible before posting
i know lucifer was an angel and angels didnt have free will
so how could he have turned against god

maybe its the thing that ppl use to misinterpret and/or interpret in a different meaning if they have a free will and its them allowed to do free thinking like for expample in the movie dead poets society and unfortunately they're always ppl who take advantage of that and misinterpret just to make some ppl to follow them and their thoughts and so on... just like some terrorists do with the islam, they blame a whole religion and the normal ppl have to suffer from that...especially after 9-11,

imo the bible speaks in many different ways, very methaphorical of course, you can interpret much things, you just should find your way of understanding

Koolish
03-28-2006, 05:08 PM
the name lucifer is never applied to satan in the bible.

so how did it get messed up? from books written that gave satan the name of lucifer it was made mainstream i guess. i think in paradise lost they called him lucifer.

the Bible speaks of adam & eve and the snake, and Jesus said something along the lines of "I saw Satan fall like lightning". but the story is never told one line after another as far as i know.

and the bible never says angel's dont have free will, in fact in genesis it speaks of angels who slept with some women, and weren't allowed back in heaven.

7th MONK
03-28-2006, 05:25 PM
When Satan sinned, he was removed from his high and holy position of being a cherub in the presence of God. In Ezekiel 28:12-17, we find a lamentation directed toward the king of Tyrus. The language goes beyond a human, and tells us of the wicked one that was behind that king, giving him his power. “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.”

We see what cherubims do in Ezekiel chapters 1 and 10. Chapter 1 describes the appearance of cherubims, but Ezekiel does not know at what he is looking (that is, to give it a name), so he refers to them as “creatures.” But in chapter 10:14,15, Ezekiel now tells us, “And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. And the cherubims were lifted up. THIS IS THE LIVING CREATURE THAT I SAW BY THE RIVER OF CHEBAR.” The cherubims are like a living chariot transporting the throne of God. Ezekiel 1:26-28 says, “And above the firmament that was OVER THEIR HEADS WAS THE LIKENESS OF A THRONE, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.”

When Satan sinned, he was removed from that lofty position of being continually in the presence of God’s throne, because we see him now going to and fro between heaven and earth. Job 1:6,7 says, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” Satan could come before the Lord, but he was no longer continually around His throne. And of course, during Job’s time we see what Satan now does, since he was removed from his high and lofty position. Job 1:8-11 says, “And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.”

Satan now spends his time accusing God’s children, and that is what he will be doing until the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, when he is then barred from entering the heavenly realm at all. Revelation 12:7-12 says, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; NEITHER WAS THEIR PLACE FOUND ANY MORE IN HEAVEN. AND THE GREAT DRAGON WAS CAST OUT, THAT OLD SERPENT, CALLED THE DEVIL, AND SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: FOR THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHREN IS CAST DOWN, WHICH ACCUSED THEM BEFORE OUR GOD DAY AND NIGHT. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. WOE TO THE INHABITERS OF THE EARTH AND OF THE SEA! FOR THE DEVIL IS COME DOWN UNTO YOU, HAVING GREAT WRATH, BECAUSE HE KNOWETH THAT HE HATH BUT A SHORT TIME.”

That is at the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, when the antichrist suddenly breaks the covenant, and sets himself up as “God” in the temple. Now you know why he does that. It is because the power behind him, Satan, knows that he only has a short time (3 1/2 years), and he is going to make life as miserable as possible for those who will not bow the knee to him and take his mark.

So for a quick review, Satan started out in the exalted position of a cherub, that was continually around the throne of God. Then, when Satan sinned, he was removed from that exalted position, but still had access to come before the throne of God along with the other angels (it seems that there are set times when the angels come before God to report on what they have been doing). Satan will still have access to do that until the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, at which time there will be a war in heaven, and Satan and his angels (what we call demons), will be cast out of the heavenly realm. At that point, Satan will be allowed only upon the earth, and he will literally try to make life a terror for those who live upon the earth.

hectis
03-28-2006, 06:43 PM
the name lucifer is never applied to satan in the bible.

so how did it get messed up? from books written that gave satan the name of lucifer it was made mainstream i guess. i think in paradise lost they called him lucifer.

the Bible speaks of adam & eve and the snake, and Jesus said something along the lines of "I saw Satan fall like lightning". but the story is never told one line after another as far as i know.

and the bible never says angel's dont have free will, in fact in genesis it speaks of angels who slept with some women, and weren't allowed back in heaven.

I HAVE HEARD THAT THE ANGELS WERE ATTRACTED TO THE WOMEN'S HAIR SO THEY WOULD RAPE THEM SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THE ANGELS FROM RAPING THEM THEY WOULD WERE VIALS THE SAME ONE SOME MUSLIMS WERE TODAY IN FACT THAT IS THE REASON WHY FEMALES WERE VIALS HOWEVER MORE THEN LIKELY THEY DO IT TODAY CUZ OF CUSTOMER OR TRADITION OR CUZ THEY HAVE TO NOT CUZ OF WHAT THE FALLEN ANGELS DID

Soul Controller
03-29-2006, 09:36 AM
lucifer is the light bringer..

go in the streets an re joice!


*sarcasm*

LORD NOSE
03-29-2006, 09:50 AM
i was thinking about something the other day
maybe i should of checked the bible before posting
i know lucifer was an angel and angels didnt have free will
so how could he have turned against god


Maby because SatanEl is a cocreator with God - and not an angel

TUCO
03-29-2006, 10:09 AM
When Satan sinned, he was removed from his high and holy position of being a cherub in the presence of God. In Ezekiel 28:12-17, we find a lamentation directed toward the king of Tyrus. The language goes beyond a human, and tells us of the wicked one that was behind that king, giving him his power. “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.”

We see what cherubims do in Ezekiel chapters 1 and 10. Chapter 1 describes the appearance of cherubims, but Ezekiel does not know at what he is looking (that is, to give it a name), so he refers to them as “creatures.” But in chapter 10:14,15, Ezekiel now tells us, “And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. And the cherubims were lifted up. THIS IS THE LIVING CREATURE THAT I SAW BY THE RIVER OF CHEBAR.” The cherubims are like a living chariot transporting the throne of God. Ezekiel 1:26-28 says, “And above the firmament that was OVER THEIR HEADS WAS THE LIKENESS OF A THRONE, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.”

When Satan sinned, he was removed from that lofty position of being continually in the presence of God’s throne, because we see him now going to and fro between heaven and earth. Job 1:6,7 says, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” Satan could come before the Lord, but he was no longer continually around His throne. And of course, during Job’s time we see what Satan now does, since he was removed from his high and lofty position. Job 1:8-11 says, “And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.”

Satan now spends his time accusing God’s children, and that is what he will be doing until the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, when he is then barred from entering the heavenly realm at all. Revelation 12:7-12 says, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; NEITHER WAS THEIR PLACE FOUND ANY MORE IN HEAVEN. AND THE GREAT DRAGON WAS CAST OUT, THAT OLD SERPENT, CALLED THE DEVIL, AND SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: FOR THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHREN IS CAST DOWN, WHICH ACCUSED THEM BEFORE OUR GOD DAY AND NIGHT. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. WOE TO THE INHABITERS OF THE EARTH AND OF THE SEA! FOR THE DEVIL IS COME DOWN UNTO YOU, HAVING GREAT WRATH, BECAUSE HE KNOWETH THAT HE HATH BUT A SHORT TIME.”

That is at the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, when the antichrist suddenly breaks the covenant, and sets himself up as “God” in the temple. Now you know why he does that. It is because the power behind him, Satan, knows that he only has a short time (3 1/2 years), and he is going to make life as miserable as possible for those who will not bow the knee to him and take his mark.

So for a quick review, Satan started out in the exalted position of a cherub, that was continually around the throne of God. Then, when Satan sinned, he was removed from that exalted position, but still had access to come before the throne of God along with the other angels (it seems that there are set times when the angels come before God to report on what they have been doing). Satan will still have access to do that until the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, at which time there will be a war in heaven, and Satan and his angels (what we call demons), will be cast out of the heavenly realm. At that point, Satan will be allowed only upon the earth, and he will literally try to make life a terror for those who live upon the earth.

thanks alot for that....great read

abasi
03-29-2006, 10:35 AM
how could he sin?
so he had free will

LORD NOSE
07-10-2009, 10:37 AM
how could he sin?
so he had free will


she fell

she is the cocreator

that part in us thats from her also fell

deny the flesh

don't feed her

the most beautifulest angel in the heavens

she looks for that fire in man

shinobi4227
07-10-2009, 11:46 AM
she fell

she is the cocreator

that part in us thats from her also fell

deny the flesh

don't feed her

the most beautifulest angel in the heavens

she looks for that fire in man

Interesting....could it be the that the one they call Lucifer's actually a woman? However i still think that all of this is a man made story.

LORD NOSE
07-10-2009, 11:51 AM
Interesting....could it be the that the one they call Lucifer's actually a woman? However i still think that all of this is a man made story.

how much of the story did you read ?


the cocreator in the let US make man in our image after our likeness - maybe - woman was grafted out of man - according to the story -

satanEL, or Lucifer, grafted out of God


what was produced out of the reunion -

what are the results today ?

shinobi4227
07-10-2009, 03:53 PM
how much of the story did you read ?


the cocreator in the let US make man in our image after our likeness - maybe - woman was grafted out of man - according to the story -

satanEL, or Lucifer, grafted out of God


what was produced out of the reunion -

what are the results today ?
Not much really but enough to make me ponder. But if what you say is really true do you think Lucifer had some sort of disagreement with God because he wanted his image and likeness to be the dominant one and since Lucifer was grafted out of God he saw no reason why Lucifer should get what he wants and that's were the beef between good and evil, man and woman started lol.....im jus sayin tho cuz your Lucifer being a woman theory makes alotta sense to me. As for the result i really can't say cuz man is fucking everything up, i wonder what the world would have been like if it was a woman's world...?

LORD NOSE
07-10-2009, 04:08 PM
Not much really but enough to make me ponder. But if what you say is really true do you think Lucifer had some sort of disagreement with God because he wanted his image and likeness to be the dominant one and since Lucifer was grafted out of God he saw no reason why Lucifer should get what he wants and that's were the beef between good and evil, man and woman started lol.....im jus sayin tho cuz your Lucifer being a woman theory makes alotta sense to me. As for the result i really can't say cuz man is fucking everything up, i wonder what the world would have been like if it was a woman's world...?

i wouldn't know for sure if it went down like this or if it went down at all - its all entertainment -

i would say that the cocreator caught some jealousy seeing the angels bow down to man - the cocreator didn't see that something greater than herself was going to come out of that man - man is the seed of god - God is a plural - WE made man in OUR image after OUR likeness - she said - i'm made of fire and he is made of clay - why does she provoke you to anger today - to see that fire in you maybe ?

just a thought

shinobi4227
07-10-2009, 10:00 PM
i wouldn't know for sure if it went down like this or if it went down at all - its all entertainment -

i would say that the cocreator caught some jealousy seeing the angels bow down to man - the cocreator didn't see that something greater than herself was going to come out of that man - man is the seed of god - God is a plural - WE made man in OUR image after OUR likeness - she said - i'm made of fire and he is made of clay - why does she provoke you to anger today - to see that fire in you maybe ?

just a thought

Very entertaining indeed.

set_rule
07-10-2009, 10:24 PM
EL SATURN ....... worship of the planet or Satan

zooruka
07-10-2009, 10:54 PM
lucifer or satan was the covering cherubim ( i think that means he covered the glory of GOD) he was the highest creation that GOD made so after GOD it was him he was perfect in beauty and in wisdom that the other angels that rebeled against GOD with him must have looked at him in awe...but he bacame prideful and wanted to be worshiped as GOD and wanted to knock GOD off his throne and take his place...so he was cast out of heaven( when jesus after the reserection asended into heaven) and became the devil or great dragon (of reveltaions) and has ever since set out to challange GOD and devour his children and lead the whole world astray... but his fate is sealed he will be thrown in the lake of fire and he knows this because the bible says when he was cast out of heaven (PRAISE BE TO GOD) he came down to earth full of wrath because he knows he only has a short time.



peace be with you !

LORD NOSE
07-10-2009, 11:45 PM
what you say is real - take away all the symbols and greek mythical creatures

you are right there in front of the picture but there is a film covering it and distorting the actual images on it

fly upward toward the higher heavens - drop your BELIEFs first and come as a child, humbled -

LORD NOSE
07-11-2009, 12:55 PM
A cracked Atom

Be fruitful and multiply

Uncle Steezo
07-11-2009, 01:41 PM
lucifer was an aqueous moon that crashed into the earth and caused the great flood.

LORD NOSE
07-11-2009, 01:49 PM
moons monthly cycle and hers

Uncle Steezo
07-11-2009, 02:36 PM
Leviathan

LORD NOSE
07-11-2009, 03:02 PM
splain

ChristO
07-12-2009, 12:25 AM
she fell

she is the cocreator

that part in us thats from her also fell

deny the flesh

don't feed her

the most beautifulest angel in the heavens

she looks for that fire in man

you onto suh'm. Lucy, the mother. Hip-Hop, worships the wumb, of the mother. Israel. 1974, bones dug up in Ethiopia...the war proposition was given by Luscius to Gabriel The Father, telepathically while still babies/toddlers...

ChristO
07-12-2009, 12:34 AM
...there lies the danger. because on earth, Lucy is a man, who would hide behind Israel.
the one who always needed the women around him, in order to feel safe, to relate to, for his protection. Jacob. the profit Muhammad [of the Qu'ran]. all I know, is if my women don't reach me [Gabriel, the words the sword], my wu men WILL see him...