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Aqua Luna
04-09-2006, 11:39 AM
The “Doctrine of Discovery,” which legiti*mizes the enslavement of non-Christians by Christians in the Western Hemisphere and the taking of their lands, is a religious and legal concept that originated with Papal Bulls (letters from the Pope) issued in the 15th century. In particular, two bulls, the Law of Nations of 1452 and the Inter Caetera Bull of 1493 (written only a few short months after Columbus’ return to Spain), authorized the Kings of Portugal and Spain to exploit Africa and the Americas for slaves and lands to enrich the Catholic Church. At the time it was understood that Christianity had to be promoted throughout the known world at all costs.

In May, 2005 I attended a meeting at the United Nations organized by Indigenous people from across the US to discuss the devastating consequences of the “Doctrine of Discovery.” The panel included Tonya Gonella Frichner, founder of the American Indian Law Alliance; Oren Lyons, Faithkeeper of the Onondaga Nation; Esmeralda Brown, Southern Caucus of Non-Governmental Organizations; Alex White Plume, Oglala Nation; Birgil Kills Straight, Oglala Nation; and Steven Newcomb, Indigenous Law Institute. Because those Papal bulls were rooted in cultural imperialism, the Holy See of the Vatican has been called on for twenty years to rescind them. The evidence is clear that, even though these bulls were written over 500 years ago, it is of urgent concern to all Indigenous people that they be rescinded.

Basis of US Law

US law rests on the “Doctrine of Discovery,” particularly around issues of land title. The Doctrine justified the taking of land from the original inhabitants of the Americas. Writing in 1823 for the Supreme Court rul*ing in Johnson v. McIntosh, Chief Justice John Marshall said the doctrine meant that “unoccupied lands” were those “lands occupied by Indians, but unoccupied by Christians.” Since then the “Doctrine of Discovery” has been regularly cited by legal scholars (Henry Weaton, B.A. Hinsdale, and George Grafton Wilson) and in court decisions.

Another key decision was Tee-Hit-Ton v. United States (1955), which evoked the concept of “Manifest Destiny,” justifying Protestant immigrants taking land in the name of their Christian god. Then, in the Supreme Court decision Sherrill v. Oneida Indian Nation (March 29, 2005), Justice Ginsberg, arguably the most liberal justice on the court, wrote the decision against the Oneida Nation’s claim that their purchasing land which had been illegally taken by New York State could restore it to their aboriginal territory. The first citation in that decision was the “Doctrine of Discovery.”

Enormous Consequences

The 15th century Papal Bulls assumed the superiority of Christianity over all other religious options. Although the precedent of religious intolerance had been set in Christian’s interactions with Jews and Muslims previous to the “Age of Discovery,” intolerance rose exponentially when Europeans engaged with Indigenous *people. Interactions with non-Christians in the Americas were never genuine inter-cultural exchanges but cultural appropriations. The Europeans’ first action on landfall was taking possession of the land on behalf of European monarchs. They placed two flags in the sand—one for the King and one for the Church.

The legacy of the “Doctrine of Discovery” has been devastating. Intractable social problems of racism, religious intolerance and a bourgeoning en*vironmental crisis are directly tied to it. The varied belief systems of people throughout the world are becoming homogenized into a single, imperialist worldview. The traditional Christian world*view that humans are to dominate and subdue the earth has lead to environmental degradation at an alarming rate of speed.
http://www.peacecouncil.net/pnl/05/744/744doctr.htm

whitey
04-09-2006, 12:41 PM
there is plenty of them (evil deeds done by the vadicant).


most religions are there for that purpose, to allow certain people to be in control, and do what you want because it is justified by "god".

Aqua Luna
04-09-2006, 01:40 PM
When I titled this thread I thought that the double meaning of the word 'deeds' would be apparent.

This "Doctrine of Discovery" from the Vatican is in blatant admission and support of stealing land from indigenious people and enslaving those people with Christainity.

You asked about this in my thread on the Moors - The Original People of the land possesed said lands and the European Vatican sanctioned devils stole it from them...using evil deeds (slaughter, rape and christianity) - and by writing up documents claiming the land, which are also their evil "deeds".

whitey
04-09-2006, 02:06 PM
i was in that big circle in the middle right this summer. nice view.

Visionz
04-09-2006, 04:51 PM
is it me or is the vatican at the head of an upside down cross?

Aqua Luna
04-09-2006, 05:09 PM
is it me or is the vatican at the head of an upside down cross?
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/914/antipope4aa.jpg

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/3348/popebala9wm.jpg

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3084/popecbs0cw.jpg

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/2118/popesata7oo.jpg

hectis
04-09-2006, 07:08 PM
I wonder what they hide under there.


THEY HAVE MANY SECRETS

hectis
04-10-2006, 12:15 AM
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/914/antipope4aa.jpg

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/3348/popebala9wm.jpg

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/3084/popecbs0cw.jpg

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/2118/popesata7oo.jpg

I AM GOING TO ASK ABOUT THIS AT ONE OF THERE PLACES AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY

Damo
04-11-2006, 09:31 AM
I'm guessing the layout of the Vatican is as such so that when the pope looks out from his front porch he can see a huge cross. The upside down cross on the chair is for when "God" looks down on him from heaven, "God" can see a cross? Just guessing.

galt john galt
04-11-2006, 08:43 PM
remember that the prince was writen about the pope at the time. the vatican is just as corupt as a power broker as a politician is when making promises.

Sicka than aidZ
04-11-2006, 11:40 PM
thanks for the satan pics

Vernakular
04-11-2006, 11:48 PM
the vatican perpitrated lies about jesus christ himself

they'll pay any amount of money just to not leak information in to the genral public

bullshit put in the bible *only about jesus' death*

he didnt die he made a deal with pontius pilate saying that he wouldnt

he died in hours when traditionally niggaz were left on crosses for days b4 bein taken down the solution is simple

when Jesus said he was thirsty they said the soldiers gave him vinigar when in reality they gave him a drug which gave him less trauma during the supposed exocution

any questions bout jesus im setting up a thred 1

5 on a row
04-13-2006, 08:01 AM
http://www.satimagingcorp.com/galleryimages/vatican-city-satellite-image-ikonos-high-resolution.jpg

hectis
04-13-2006, 03:58 PM
is it me or is the vatican at the head of an upside down cross?


IM NOT SURE BUT I WUZ WOUNDERING THE SAME THING AND I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH PETER HE WUZ HUNG ON A CROSS LIKE JESUS BUT UPSIDE DOWN CUZ HE SAID HE CAN NOT BE COMPARID TO THE CHRIST SO THAT CROSS IS A SYMBO OF PETER BUT I COULD BE WRONG

MoT
04-13-2006, 08:32 PM
i'm afraid things were much worse even before than what you wrote Aqua but thats arguable... never the less i couldn't agree more on the one and only THE biggest mafia in the world


but someone please tell me WHERE THE HELL IS ALL THE GOLD THEY STOLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD... no not in the churches, not even the cathedrals or other fucktard-alike places... i don't know where but i know they own/ed many TONS of gold..

Aqueous Moon
04-14-2006, 08:58 PM
They also tortured people by upside down cruxifictions during the inquisition...

It has been said that an upside cross represents the mockery of the values of the Christ.

hectis
04-14-2006, 09:11 PM
That Could Be Why Too Maybe They Made Up The Story Of Peter Getting Hung Upside Down As A Cover Up

dimi
04-14-2006, 09:32 PM
im glad im not catholic

MoT
04-17-2006, 08:16 AM
just dug up a book about all the popes (of the Vatican Church) that there are recordings about and there were around 400 of them... and almost half of them died due to a poisioning and that many of them were CRIMINALS... of course before they were popes.. still this backs up the point that religion is a way to control people and oppress the truth

Soul Controller
04-17-2006, 12:57 PM
i know ill get heat for this but oh well
information is information,, do as u will with it,

peace


'How the Vatican created Islam'
Source: http://www.cloakanddagger.de/lenny/alberto_rivera.htm (http://www.cloakanddagger.de/lenny/alberto_rivera.htm)
How the Vatican created Islam. The astonishing story from an ex-Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, which was told to him by Cardinal Bea while he was at the Vatican.
From "The Prophet":
http://www.choosinglife.net/Islam.htm (http://www.choosinglife.net/Islam.htm)
This information came from Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest after his conversion to Protestant Christianity. It is excerpted from "The Prophet," published by Chick Publications, PO Box 662, Chino CA 91708. Since its publication, after several unsuccessful attempts on his life, he died suddenly from food poisoning. His testimony should not be silenced. Dr. Rivera speaks to us still ...
"What I'm going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction. A Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century. Because of its religious history and its strategic location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city.
"The great untapped source of manpower that could do this job was the children of Ishmael. The poor Arabs fell victim to one of the most clever plans ever devised by the powers of darkness. Early Christians went everywhere with the gospel setting up small churches, but they met heavy opposition. Both the Jews and the Roman government persecuted the believers in Christ to stop their spread. But the Jews rebelled against Rome, and in 70 AD, Roman armies under General Titus smashed Jerusalem and destroyed the great Jewish temple which was the heart of Jewish worship...in fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in Matthew 24:2.
"On this holy placed today where the temple once stood, the Dome of the Rock Mosque stands as Islam's second most holy place. Sweeping changes were in the wind. Corruption, apathy, greed, cruelty, perversion and rebellion were eating at the Roman Empire, and it was ready to collapse. The persecution against Christians was useless as they continued to lay down their lives for the gospel of Christ.
"The only way Satan could stop this thrust was to create a counterfeit "Christian" religion to destroy the work of God. The solution was in Rome. Their religion had come from ancient Babylon and all it needed was a face-lift. This didn't happen overnight, but began in the writings of the 'early church fathers'.
"It was through their writings that a new religion would take shape. The statue of Jupiter in Rome was eventually called St. Peter, and the statue of Venus was changed to the Virgin Mary. The site chosen for its headquarters was on one of the seven hills called 'Vaticanus', the place of the diving serpent where the Satanic temple of Janus stood.
"The great counterfeit religion was Roman Catholicism, called 'Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth'- Revelation 17:5. She was raised up to block the gospel, slaughter the believers in Christ, establish religions, create wars and make the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication as we will see.
"Three major religions have one thing in common - each has a holy place where they look for guidance. Roman Catholicism looks to the Vatican as the Holy City. The Jews look to the wailing wall in Jerusalem, and the Muslims look to Mecca as their Holy City. Each group believes that they receive certain types of blessings for the rest of their lives for visiting their holy place. In the beginning, Arab visitors would bring gifts to the 'House of God', and the keepers of the Kaaba were gracious to all who came. Some brought their idols and, not wanting to offend these people, their idols were placed inside the sanctuary. It is said that the Jews looked upon the Kaaba as an outlying tabernacle of the Lord with veneration until it became polluted with idols.
"In a tribal contention over a well(Zamzam) the treasure of the Kaaba and the offerings that pilgrims had given were dumped down the well and it was filled with sand - it disappeared. Many years later Adb Al-Muttalib was given visions telling him where to find the well and its treasure. He became the hero of Mecca, and he was destined to become the grandfather of Muhammad. Before this time, Augustine became the bishop of North Africa and was effective in winning Arabs to Roman Catholicism, including whole tribes. It was among these Arab converts to Catholicism that the concept of looking for an Arab prophet developed.
"Muhammad's father died from illness and sons born to great Arab families in places like Mecca were sent into the desert to be suckled and weaned and spend some of their childhood with Bedouin tribes for training and to avoid the plagues in the cities.
"After his mother and grandfather also died, Muhammad was with his uncle when a Roman Catholic monk learned of his identity and said, "Take your brother's son back to his country and guard him against the Jews, for by god, if they see him and know of him that which I know, they will construe evil against him. Great things are in store for this brother's son of yours."
"The Roman Catholic monk had fanned the flames for future Jewish persecutions at the hands of the followers of Muhammad. The Vatican desperately wanted Jerusalem because of its religious significance, but was blocked by the Jews.
"Another problem was the true Christians in North Africa who preached the gospel. Roman Catholicism was growing in power, but would not tolerate opposition. Somehow the Vatican had to create a weapon to eliminate both the Jews and the true Christian believers who refused to accept Roman Catholicism. Lookng to North Africa, they saw the multitudes of Arabs as a source of manpower to do their dirty work. Some Arabs had become Roman Catholic, and could be used in reporting information to leaders in Rome. Others were used in an underground spy network to carry out Rome's master plan to control the great multitudes of Arabs who rejected Catholicism. When 'St Augustine' appeared on the scene, he knew what was going on. His monasteries served as bases to seek out and destroy Bible manuscripts owned by the true Christians.
"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:
'A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.
'Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his "great calling." The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.
'While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.
'Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.
'Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia where Negus, the Roman Catholic king accepted them because Muhammad's views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.
'Muhammad later conquered Mecca and the Kaaba was cleared of idols. History proves that before Islam came into existence, the Sabeans in Arabia worshiped the moon-god who was married to the sun-god. They gave birth to three goddesses who were worshipped throughout the Arab world as "Daughters of Allah" An idol excavated at Hazor in Palestine in 1950's shows Allah sitting on a throne with the crescent moon on his chest.
'Muhammad claimed he had a vision from Allah and was told, "You are the messenger of Allah." This began his career as a prophet and he received many messages. By the time Muhammad died, the religion of Islam was exploding. The nomadic Arab tribes were joining forces in the name of Allah and his prophet, Muhammad.
'Some of Muhammad's writings were placed in the Koran, others were never published. They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.'
"When Cardinal Bea shared with us in the Vatican, he said, these writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam. Both sides have so much information on each other, that if exposed, it could create such a scandal that it would be a disaster for both religions.
"In their "holy" book, the Koran, Christ is regarded as only a prophet. If the pope was His representative on earth, then he also must be a prophet of God. This caused the followers of Muhammad to fear and respect the pope as another "holy man."
"The pope moved quickly and issued bulls granting the Arab generals permission to invade and conquer the nations of North Africa. The Vatican helped to finance the building of these massive Islamic armies in exchange for three favors:
1. Eliminate the Jews and Christians (true believers, which they called infidels).
2. Protect the Augustinian Monks and Roman Catholics.
3. Conquer Jerusalem for "His Holiness" in the Vatican.
"As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous - Jews and true Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands. Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during this time. But when the pope asked for Jerusalem, he was surprised at their denial! The Arab generals had such military success that they could not be intimidated by the pope - nothing could stand in the way of their own plan.
"Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham offered Ishmael as a sacrifice. The Bible says that Isaac was the sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's name. As a result of this and Muhammad's vision, the faithful Muslims built a mosque, the Dome of the Rock, in Ishmael's honor on the site of the Jewish temple that was destroyed in 70 AD. This made Jerusalem the 2nd most holy place in the Islam faith. How could they give such a sacred shrine to the pope without causing a revolt?
"The pope realized what they had created was out of control when he heard they were calling "His Holiness" an infidel. The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah and now they turned toward Europe. Islamic ambassadors approached the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade European countries.
"The Vatican was outraged; war was inevitable. Temporal power and control of the world was considered the basic right of the pope. He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom he considered heathens.
"The pope raised up his armies and called them crusades to hold back the children of Ishmael from grabbing Catholic Europe. The crusades lasted centuries and Jerusalem slipped out of the pope's hands.
"Turkey fell and Spain and Portugal were invaded by Islamic forces. In Portugal, they called a mountain village "Fatima" in honor of Muhammad's daughter, never dreaming it would become world famous.
"Years later when the Muslim armies were poised on the islands of Sardinia and Corsica, to invade Italy, there was a serious problem. The Islamic generals realized they were too far extended. It was time for peace talks. One of the negotiators was Francis of Assisi.
"As a result, the Muslims were allowed to occupy Turkey in a "Christian" world, and the Catholics were allowed to occupy Lebanon in the Arab world. It was also agreed that the Muslims could build mosques in Catholic countries without interference as long as Roman Catholicism could flourish Arab countries.
"Cardinal Bea told us in Vatican briefings that both the Muslims and Roman Catholics agreed to block and destroy the efforts of their common enemy, Bible-believing Christianm missionaries. Through these concordats, Satan blocked the children of Ishmael from a knowledge of Scripture and the truth.
"A light control was kept on Muslims from the Ayatollah down through the Islamic priests, nuns and monks. The Vatican also engineers a campaign of hatred between the Muslim Arabs and the Jews. Before this, they had co-existed peacefully.
"The Islamic community looks on the Bible-believing missionary as a devil who brings poison to the children of Allah. This explains years of ministry in those countries with little results.
"The next plan was to control Islam. In 1910, Portugal was going Socialistic. Red flags were appearing and the Catholic Church was facing a major problem. Increasing numbers were against the church.
"The Jesuits wanted Russia involved, and the location of this vision at Fatima could play a key part in pulling Islam to the Mother Church.
"In 1917, the Virgin appeared in Fatima. "The Mother of God" was a smashing success, playing to overflow crowds. As a result, the Socialists of Portugal suffered a major defeat.
"Roman Catholics world-wide began praying for the conversion of Russia and the Jesuits invented the Novenas to Fatima which they could perform throughout North Africa, spreading good public relations to the Muslim world. The Arabs thought they were honoring the daughter of Muhammad, which is what the Jesuits wanted them to believe.
"As a result of the vision of Fatima, Pope Pius XII ordered his Nazi army to crush Russia and the Orthodox religion and make Russia Roman Catholic." A few years after he lost World war II, Pope Pius XII startled the world with his phoney dancing sun vision to keep Fatima in the news. It was great religious show biz and the world swallowed it.
"Not surprisingly, Pope Pius was the only one to see this vision. As a result, a group of followers has grown into a Blue Army world-wide, totaling millions of faithful Roman Catholics ready to die for the blessed virgin.
"But we haven't seen anything yet. The Jesuits have their Virgin Mary scheduled to appear four or five times in China, Russia, and major appearance in the U.S.
"What has this got to do with Islam? Note Bishop Sheen's
statement: "Our Lady's appearances at Fatima marked the turning point in the history of the world's 350 million Muslims. After the death of his daughter, Muhammad wrote that she "is the most holy of all women in Paradise, next to Mary."
"He believed that the Virgin Mary chose to be known as Our Lady of Fatima as a sign and a pledge that the Muslims who believe in Christ's virgin birth, will come to believe in His divinity.
"Bishop Sheen pointed out that the pilgrim virgin statues of Our Lady of Fatima were enthusiastically received by Muslims in Africa, India, and elsewhere, and that many Muslims are now coming into the Roman Catholic Church."

Aqueous Moon
04-17-2006, 01:34 PM
lmao...you dropped the bomb, with this one, Soul.

whoa, I gotta digest this some more.

thanks for the add - on

word!

Soul Controller
04-17-2006, 01:55 PM
hahaha Peace Aqueous

ill try to add on more later.

Peace.

hectis
04-17-2006, 09:09 PM
COULD THIS CHANGE THE FACE OF THE ISLAM AND CATHOLIC RELIGION AND DOSE IT CHANGE THE WAY U VIEW THEM ?

Aqueous Moon
04-17-2006, 09:49 PM
I already knew those religions were backwards but it was nice to read some details like the ones above.

Especiallly concerning the Arabs and their religious Islam...they need to be exposed a lot more.

tonygusto
04-17-2006, 11:14 PM
The shit i learn/learned/will learn on wu tang forum.

aismani
06-29-2006, 10:49 PM
Their main occupance over centuries was oppressing everybody following the original core of all religious teachings and esoteric systems:self-divination.Because they're a bunch of devils for real

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 12:34 AM
yawn...

Antibody
06-30-2006, 03:47 PM
The shit i learn/learned/will learn on wu tang forum.

lol, i know man its mental.

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-30-2006, 06:05 PM
Peace Aqueuos Moon and Soul Controller
Great posts!
Missed it the 1st time

Kephrem
07-01-2006, 12:50 AM
Peace Soul Controller

i know ill get heat for this but oh well
information is information,, do as u will with it,

peace


'How the Vatican created Islam'

Source: http://www.cloakanddagger.de/lenny/alberto_rivera.htm
http://www.cloakanddagger.de/lenny/alberto_rivera.htm

How the Vatican created Islam. The astonishing story from an ex-Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, which was told to him by Cardinal Bea while he was at the Vatican.

From "The Prophet":
http://www.choosinglife.net/Islam.htm
http://www.choosinglife.net/Islam.htm

This information came from Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit priest after his conversion to Protestant Christianity. It is excerpted from "The Prophet," published by Chick Publications, PO Box 662, Chino CA 91708. Since its publication, after several unsuccessful attempts on his life, he died suddenly from food poisoning. His testimony should not be silenced. Dr. Rivera speaks to us still ...

"What I'm going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction. A Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century. Because of its religious history and its strategic location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city.

"The great untapped source of manpower that could do this job was the children of Ishmael. The poor Arabs fell victim to one of the most clever plans ever devised by the powers of darkness.

While intriguing, it perhaps is a bit far fetched -- basically this is saying that starting from the end of the 3rd century (late 200's C.E.) Catholic leaders managed to hatch a scheme that lasted over 300 plus years that planted the seed that gave birth to an Arab prophet and army that was supposed to carry out the conquest of Jerusalem for them.

The question I have to all of this is, wern't the Byzantine rulers of Jerusalem at the time of Muhammad, in fact, Catholic??


Early Christians went everywhere with the gospel setting up small churches, but they met heavy opposition. Both the Jews and the Roman government persecuted the believers in Christ to stop their spread.

Starting here this article implies that the Roman government from that early Christian period later formed the Catholic (or Universal) Christian church, which is in fact not true at all.


But the Jews rebelled against Rome, and in 70 AD, Roman armies under General Titus smashed Jerusalem and destroyed the great Jewish temple which was the heart of Jewish worship...in fulfillment of Christ's prophecy in Matthew 24:2.

"On this holy placed today where the temple once stood, the Dome of the Rock Mosque stands as Islam's second most holy place. Sweeping changes were in the wind. Corruption, apathy, greed, cruelty, perversion and rebellion were eating at the Roman Empire, and it was ready to collapse. The persecution against Christians was useless as they continued to lay down their lives for the gospel of Christ.

"The only way Satan could stop this thrust was to create a counterfeit "Christian" religion to destroy the work of God. The solution was in Rome. Their religion had come from ancient Babylon and all it needed was a face-lift. This didn't happen overnight, but began in the writings of the 'early church fathers'.


That the 'early Church fathers' were used in a scheme hatched by Romes goverment to create a counterfeit religion I think should be proven perhaps by showing a comparison of those writings with that of the early Christians.

The religous leaders of Rome did NOT produce the doctrine of the original Catholic or Universal church (early Christian/Apostolic), that were located within the city of Rome.

The influence of Babylonian/Roman religion upon the Catholic church came much later, when we see Popes such as Victor I sanctioning unholy days to be kept, like Easter.



"It was through their writings that a new religion would take shape. The statue of Jupiter in Rome was eventually called St. Peter, and the statue of Venus was changed to the Virgin Mary.

Not saying that this isn't true, but I would like to see some evidence for this.


The site chosen for its headquarters was on one of the seven hills called 'Vaticanus', the place of the diving serpent where the Satanic temple of Janus stood.

I think this is implying that the Roman government chose where to build the Vatican based on some older "pagan" site. I looked up both the etymology of the word Vatican, and its history, and this is what I found:

Vatican
1555, from L. mons Vaticanus, Roman hill on which Papal palace stands. An Etruscan loan-word, not related to vates "sooth-sayer."

According to this on-line etymology site (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Vatican) the word Vaticanus doesn't stem from any word meaning the "place of the diving serpent".


Vatican Hill

The Vatican Hill (in Latin, Vaticanus Mons) is the name given, long before the founding of Christianity, to one of the hills on the side of the Tiber opposite the traditional seven hills of Rome. It may have been the site of an Etruscan town called Vaticum. In the 1st century A.D., the Vatican Hill featured a circus and a cemetery. St. Peter's Basilica is built over the cemetery, the traditional site of Saint Peter's grave.

The Vatican Hill is not one of the famous seven hills of Rome, although it was included within the city limits of Rome during the reign of Pope Leo IV, who between 848 and 852 A.D. expanded the city walls to protect St. Peter's Basilica and the Vatican. Thus, Vatican Hill has been within the walls and city limits of Rome (until the Lateran Treaties in 1929 it was part the rione of Borgo) for over 1100 years.

Before the Avignon Papacy (1305-1378), headquarters of the Holy See was at the Lateran Palace. After the Avignon Papacy the church administration moved to Vatican Hill and the papal palace was (until 1871) the Quirinal Palace, upon the Quirinal Hill. Since 1929 the Vatican Hill has been the headquarters of the State of the Vatican City. However, the cathedral of the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, is not St. Peter's in the Vatican, it remains St. John Lateran, which is on one of the seven hills of Rome (the Caelian),

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Hill

Here we can also see some contradictions between Soul Controllers article concerning the history of "Vatican Hill".


"The great counterfeit religion was Roman Catholicism, called 'Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth'- Revelation 17:5.


The "Babylon the Great" written of in Revelation, contrary to what many now believe, is not a false religion, the scriptures clearly state that Babylon the Great was going to be a government/kingdom which would rule the world and have great power as no other kngdom before it. This we know today to be the United States of Amerikkka.

I also wanted to point out "Roman Catholicism" is a modern term, first coined in the 1800's.

The original Catholic church was not called the "Roman Catholic" church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Holy_Catholic_and_Apostolic_Church

The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church was the original name, and "Roman Catholic" was first coined in the 1800's to refer to the church in Rome, as opposed to the Catholic churches more east.


The original Christian doctrine that was taught in the original Catholic Church in Rome was indeed later poisoned with tenets of the Babylonian religion, but that happened after the original Catholic church had already been established, and was NOT central to its founding, as this article has been saying.



She was raised up to block the gospel, slaughter the believers in Christ, establish religions, create wars and make the nations drunk with the wine of her fornication as we will see.


Indeed the Catholic church did some of those things, but when it did them during the Dark Ages it was caused by infighting and power struggles with other Christians. It was in fact much later in history when all of these things were done with Satanic intent upon the nations of the world (the Renasaince, colonizing the Americas, etc). So all of its early power struggles and its tainted doctrine should not be confused with it later becoming Satans tool, that started in and around the time of the Renasaince.



[Here I'm going to skip over a portion of the article to get to some key points.]

It was among these Arab converts to Catholicism that the concept of looking for an Arab prophet developed.

That's if one chooses to believe that they were able to sustain this plan for over three centuries.


"Muhammad's father died from illness and sons born to great Arab families in places like Mecca were sent into the desert to be suckled and weaned and spend some of their childhood with Bedouin tribes for training and to avoid the plagues in the cities.

"After his mother and grandfather also died, Muhammad was with his uncle when a Roman Catholic monk learned of his identity and said, "Take your brother's son back to his country and guard him against the Jews, for by god, if they see him and know of him that which I know, they will construe evil against him. Great things are in store for this brother's son of yours."

"The Roman Catholic monk had fanned the flames for future Jewish persecutions at the hands of the followers of Muhammad. The Vatican desperately wanted Jerusalem because of its religious significance, but was blocked by the Jews.


This part I find puzzling, how were the Jews blocking the Vatican from Jerusalem? Jerusalem was under the jurisdiction of the Byzantine empire, before it went on to fall to the Muslims, so how do the Jews fit into the picture?



"Another problem was the true Christians in North Africa who preached the gospel. Roman Catholicism was growing in power, but would not tolerate opposition. Somehow the Vatican had to create a weapon to eliminate both the Jews and the true Christian believers who refused to accept Roman Catholicism. Lookng to North Africa, they saw the multitudes of Arabs as a source of manpower to do their dirty work. Some Arabs had become Roman Catholic, and could be used in reporting information to leaders in Rome. Others were used in an underground spy network to carry out Rome's master plan to control the great multitudes of Arabs who rejected Catholicism.

I can see how friction would evolve between the growing Catholic church and the Christians who still taught the original teachings of Christ, because by this time some of the original Christian teachings within Catholicism had become tainted by Babylonian religion. (the reason? wicked leadership)


When 'St Augustine' appeared on the scene, he knew what was going on. His monasteries served as bases to seek out and destroy Bible manuscripts owned by the true Christians.


I would like to see the basis for such an accusation.



"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope. In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:

'A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael. Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah,, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad's advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.

'Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his "great calling." The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.


'While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

'Muhammad began receiving "divine revelations" and his wife's Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad's mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.

'Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia where Negus, the Roman Catholic king accepted them because Muhammad's views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.


I have some questions here.

"The Vatican wanted to create a messiah for the Arabs, someone they could raise up as a great leader, a man with charisma whom they could train, and eventually unite all the non-Catholic Arabs behind him, creating a mighty army that would ultimately capture Jerusalem for the pope.


Again, Jerusalem to my knowledge was ruled by the Byzantines at the time, so did the Catholic leaders of Rome actually have beef with the Byzantines according to this account?


'A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment. She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael.


I've been taught something diffrent, that Muhammad wasn't even of the Ishmaelite people, but was a descendent of the original black Jews (people of Hashem) who had been living in Arabia, that he taught in similar fashion to Israelite prophets, teaching of the One God and against idolatry, and that his teachings were later altered by Ishmaleite Arabs to form the religion of Islam.

I however don't know how long it took to alter his teachings into a religion, we know that soon after he taught he gathered armies, that must've included black Arabian Jews with Ishmaelite Arabians.

'Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine which prepared him for his "great calling." The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.


'While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked

Why would the Catholic leaders of Rome have to go through the trouble of manufacturing a prophet and a army for over 3 centuries just to put down some real Christians in North Africa and the Middle East? Didn't they have a Catholic army (or a Byzantine army) by that time, that couldv'e done the job for them?


'Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia where Negus, the Roman Catholic king accepted them because Muhammad's views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad's revelations.

Were those Ethiopian kings Catholic, or Byzantine Orthodox? Or were these two doctrines more or less the same at the time?

If they were the same, why would Catholic leaders in Rome want to take Jerusalem, when it was under the Byantines who were in fact ruling there at the time??


"As time went by, the power of Islam became tremendous - Jews and true Christians were slaughtered, and Jerusalem fell into their hands. Roman Catholics were never attacked, nor were their shrines, during this time. But when the pope asked for Jerusalem, he was surprised at their denial! The Arab generals had such military success that they could not be intimidated by the pope - nothing could stand in the way of their own plan.

"Under Waraquah's direction, Muhammad wrote that Abraham offered Ishmael as a sacrifice.


What is the source for Muhammad changing the name Isaac for Ishmael?


The Bible says that Isaac was the sacrifice, but Muhammad removed Isaac's name and inserted Ishmael's name.

See above.



"The pope realized what they had created was out of control when he heard they were calling "His Holiness" an infidel. The Muslim generals were determined to conquer the world for Allah and now they turned toward Europe. Islamic ambassadors approached the pope and asked for papal bulls to give them permission to invade European countries.

"The Vatican was outraged; war was inevitable. Temporal power and control of the world was considered the basic right of the pope. He wouldn't think of sharing it with those whom he considered heathens.


"The pope raised up his armies and called them crusades to hold back the children of Ishmael from grabbing Catholic Europe.The crusades lasted centuries and Jerusalem slipped out of the pope's hands.

The "crusades" being mentioned here are the ones that prevented Muslim expansion into Northern Spain and France, the centuries long wars or 'reconquest' of Middle and Southern Spain, and possibly the protection of southern Europe.

But as for the Pope letting Jerusalem "slip away", the Byzantines ruled it before the Muslims, so this Jesuit must have believed that the Catholic leaders stirred up a Arab army to go against them, because regular traditional Christians and Jews living there I doubt had any real power there.



"Turkey fell and Spain and Portugal were invaded by Islamic forces.

This part here is quite puzzling.

Turkey in fact fell to (non-Arab) Muslms in the 15th century.

Most of Spain and Portugal fell to Arab Muslms in the 8th century.

It seems that this article is highly suspect just based on this historical inaccuracy alone.

Or perhaps I missed something in my studies. When did Turkey fall to Muslims during Islams early years??


The Islamic generals realized they were too far extended. It was time for peace talks. One of the negotiators was Francis of Assisi.

Francis of Assisi lived during the 13th century....so is this Jesuit storyteller saying that Arab generals realized they were too far extended after 500 years of warfare? Or is this yet another example showing this article to be suspect??




As a result, the Muslims were allowed to occupy Turkey in a "Christian" world, and the Catholics were allowed to occupy Lebanon in the Arab world.

What? Christian Byzantiumm, who were in fact the sworn enemies of the Muslims, were BASED in Turkey until the MID-15TH CENTURY, they were finally conquered by the Ottoman Muslims in 1453....but again maybe I've missed something? How, or, why were Muslims allowed to "occupy" Turkey nearly 600 years before that time??


Soul Controller I know you expected heat for this article, but I think some answers also should be forthcoming.