The Official Boxing Thread

[ALCATRAZ]

all that manny has to do to fight floyd is agree to random testing

that's it

and floyd has a really good reason ... what other boxer do you know that came from fuckin 33 pounds rose up the ranks and knocked out opponents bigger than him with ease? who the FUCK does that? i'm not claiming manny is juiced up but it's a pretty good reason to look into it ... it seems like he is stronger than bigger opponents which is weird to me ... mayweathers seem to think similar things ... why won't he just take it ... so much money and all MANNY has to do is agree to random testing ... it don't make him a sucker

[Olive Oil Goombah]

all floyd has to do is not demand a ridiculous request and fight him.

what mayweather doing is out of the ordinary...not Manny

[ALCATRAZ]

i agree that it's an out of the ordinary request but would u agree that this is not your ordinary fight?

and if the request was that ridiculous, why is that the standard testing in the olympics? floyd isn't trying to commission some obscure no name testing group, this is the group that tests everyone who participates in the olympics, so why is it "ridiculous" ...

i think mayweather is putting safety first by making this request ... at the end of the day, pride is getting in the way of manny signing the contract ... it's all pride on HIS part

[hectis]

That rod is going to have the best season ever One suggestion. Does Wart have something special set for his time or should we avoid shipping back and forth from CO and FLI assume thats where he is? I could pick up from burrr and ship to FL after some use?
Here is a sample of a website I developed for cash loan (http://www.paydaytown.com)

^shut the fuck up if you ain't talking boxing


for real why is this wanker not banned yet?

[Frailhorse]

The following is an official statement directly from Manny Pacquiao himself, issued Sunday Dec. 27, 2009 through his official website MPBoxing.com. Despite Bob Arums statements to the contrary Saturday night, Pacquiao states he is willing to take 3 blood tests beyond what is required in a normal fight.


Manny Pacquiao: I am still willing to Fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. I never said the fight was off or I do not want to fight him. I will fight anyone at anytime and my record and past fights prove that. I have never and will never dodge anyone.

These are my specifications for this fight regarding blood testing. I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the Announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have Offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room . I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight.

If Floyd Mayweather Jr. does not accept these terms than my promoter will find me another fight for March the 13th. Again I will fight anyone at anytime.

The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. That does not make sense to me why anyone would do that.

These accusations of me using any performance enhancing supplements are totally unwarranted and unjustified. To all of my fans I want to say thank you very much for all your support and understanding. I always give honor to God first and I would never cheat. I would never Cheat God, I would never cheat myself, and I would never cheat my country and my fans.

I would always like to be known for my honor and my integrity. I will always be known for my courage and my willingness to face any man at anytime in my career. If Floyd Mayweather Jr. truly ever wanted to fight me and he is not really scared he would accept these terms I am willing to give him as they are above and beyond what the commission demands.

I should not have to prove myself as I have always done what the commission has asked me to do and I have never ever swayed from that. Never has there been a time where anything I have ever done has been in question. I stand behind my honor and my integrity. I stand below God and my Country. I stand with my fans and I hope Floyd is not really really a coward and will fight me and give the fans what they want to see. I am not afraid to fight Floyd anywhere anytime.

[Frailhorse]

its obvious mayweather dont want this fight

[benzo]

This is the thing motherfuckers... Floyd and his camp, among others, think that that he's on PEDs, right? So they stipulate that he be subjected to the randoms because they want him to get caught. If they thought he was juiced then they would expect him to come up dirty proving to me that FLOYD NEVER WANTED THE FIGHT. He wanted to find a way to beat Manny and take away his P4P status without ever stepping into the ring with him....and he may have.

[ALCATRAZ]

its obvious mayweather dont want this fight
that's bullshit, because manny was on hbo's 24/7 getting his blood drawn less than 30 days before the fight ... so tell me, why can he get his blood drawn within 30 days of hatton but not mayweather? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????

[Olive Oil Goombah]

Bart you just dont get it.

If Floyd wanted this fight, he'd be fighting. This was purposely constructed to try to make Manny look bad but anyone with a brain knows whats really going on.

[Rode Block]

In Boxing people cheer for their own race/ethnicity.

Black people are never going to admit that Mayweather is wrong on this one.

[Olive Oil Goombah]

Thats very true and is the main reason Alcatraz won't.

[check two]

Asian also.

[oneunited]

I agree, it's all Floyd's fault. He sat there like "i know, i don't wanna fight manny so i'll ask him to take olympic style random testing because i know he's superstitious and will say no even though he's full of tattoos. that should work." lmfao. Talk about logic, man.

Manny's camp have done nothing but go back on what they've said throughout this whole negotiating period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw5wi0rSzOA

Again, I'm a fan of both fighters, but shit, y'all are just haters. Floyd ain't ducked Manny, if you wanna blame anyone, blame Bob Arum.

[ALCATRAZ]

rw5wi0rSzOA

[oneunited]

^ ty lol, i didn't know how to get the video to play on here, i'm new to this shit.

[benzo]

I agree, it's all Floyd's fault. He sat there like "i know, i don't wanna fight manny so i'll ask him to take olympic style random testing because i know he's superstitious and will say no even though he's full of tattoos. that should work." lmfao. Talk about logic, man.

Its' perfect logic for Mayweather's team actually. Floyd knew that Manny would say no because HE'S JUICED. Mayweather camp has been making these accusations since right after the Hatton fight....it's a ploy man. If they believe he's juiced they obviously never wanted the fight OR they don't believe that he's juiced and have been making false claims the whole time...bring on the lawsuit. Personally, I feel that it's obvious now that Manny is hiding something and that Floyd's team is right about the accusations but I don't believe for a second hat Floyd ever intended on fighting him. Why would he fight against a guy that's juiced...it doesn't add up. Not sayin they're scared or whatever, just that they knew what would happen when they made this request. Peace-

[Tommy]

I think Pacquiao's terms and specifications are perfectly fair. Boxing is a sport where split seconds and small percantages can be hugely detrimental to a fight, therefore Pacquiao doesn't want to diminish his advantage by taking blood out of his body before the biggest fight of his career as it isn't natural in the slightest, pissing, however, is. I guess the ball's in Mayweather's court now, Pacquiao has told him what he wants, so take it or leave it, a lot of money is to be made, all you have to do is sign on the dotted line, Floyd.

For the record, I don't like all this "guilty until proven innocent" bullshit. Nobody was accusing Pacquiao of using illegal substances until Malignaggi pointed it out and Mayweather blew it out of proportion, if there's no evidence there's no evidence. Pacquiao destroyed De La Hoya because Oscar was weight drained and old, he destroyed Hatton because Hatton sucks, and he destroyed Cotto because maybe Cotto is on the slide. Fuck all the haters, let's get the fight on.

[oneunited]

^ The amount of blood drawn from the body can be regenerated in less than an hour. He wouldn't be weak and, even if he was (which he wouldn't), Floyd would be weak too because he's agreed to undergo the same tests.

[Tommy]

^ The amount of blood drawn from the body can be regenerated in less than an hour. He wouldn't be weak and, even if he was (which he wouldn't), Floyd would be weak too because he's agreed to undergo the same tests.

Less than an hour??????? If you were donating blood, which is not really a sizeable amount, it could take up to six weeks to regenerate that blood. If you were giving a blood sample, it may take either a few hours or a day; and even then, all the minerals, vitamins, nutrients, and sufficient amount of oxygen would not be fully replenished in time, not to mention that the wound can also numb the area or permanently leave it weaknened.

Floyd may have agreed to take it, but Pacquiao still doesn't wanna go in there knowing he, himself, has been slightly damaged. Be it mentally or physically.

[oneunited]

It's less than an hour. It's like half a table spoon of blood each time they decide to take blood.

Freddie Roach has gone from saying (and see the video I posted) he'd take any style of random testing, to he's afraid of needles, to it's a superstition he has that makes him THINK he's not at 100% for up to 3 days.

I don't think for a second Manny is juicing, but if it's anyones fault this fight hasn't happened it's Manny's camp, i.e. Bob Arum. He's made a big deal out of nothing and took the fight from the fans.

[Frailhorse]

its floyds fault. he is no position to try to change the rules of boxing. Manny is game enough to meet his demands halfway. and really in the 30 days manny wants, if he is juicing hes not gonna accomplish alot in the few days he has between the 30 day mark and post fight cuz he would have to give time to get that shit out his system.

[Olive Oil Goombah]

^ exactly. That is the bottom line here.


FLOYDS EGO


Its detrimental to himself because he is not going to back it up in the ring.


Could u see Ali saying I'm not going to fight Foreman unless he takes a drug test for juicing???

Give me a fucking break.

This is without a doubt the single dumbest request anyone has ever made..

If i was Manny I would have laughed and never even entertained it for a second.

I wouldnt even have tried to meet him have way.

[Frailhorse]

manny should have laughed

but the difference is manny wants to fight, floyd doesnt.

[oneunited]

he is no position to try to change the rules of boxing.

Just like when Manny changed the rules so the 147 belt was contested at 145 against Miguel Cotto? It's aight when Manny's doing it though, right?

It's blood testing, why are people acting like he's asking for something that's totally out of order? Olympians take the same test, so to do world class athletes like Lance Armstrong. It's no big deal.

[Frailhorse]

wieght is always negotiated

theyre supposedly going to try to negotiate again this week so well see what happens then.

[oneunited]

Weight is negotiated when the 147 BELT is being contested? It's the 147 belt for a reason. Manny used his own superstar status so that Miguel Cotto, a worldclass 147 fighter, had to come in at 145.

Pac Maniacs are blinded by this mans dick. Take a step back and look at it from a neutral POV, this is craziness most of you are talking.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Floyds fuckin up. He's living up to his name of dodging fights in clever ways. I wasnt entirely sure until this episode, but its clear, Floyd is a fight dodger.

If I was Manny, the bigges fiht of my career theres no way I want to loose blood 24 hours before the fight. Fuck that. Floyd can put up with that better because of his style of fighting, uses less energy.

Manny agreed to the testing, then when they did Floyd's camp came up with a unagreeable further drug stipulations, that they knew full well Manny wouldnt agree to.

I used to like Floyd before this, but fuck Floyd now, hes a bitch.

[Olive Oil Goombah]

Weight is negotiated when the 147 BELT is being contested? It's the 147 belt for a reason. Manny used his own superstar status so that Miguel Cotto, a worldclass 147 fighter, had to come in at 145.

Pac Maniacs are blinded by this mans dick. Take a step back and look at it from a neutral POV, this is craziness most of you are talking.

the only one dickriding is you on mayweather......how can you justify him making a request like this??

Its so off the wall and ridiculous.

The only way one could agree with something like this is if they are indeed Mayweather dickriders.

[Frailhorse]

who u think would win and why?

no dickriding

no talk about the negotiations

if this fight happened tomorrow who would u bet on?

this was supposed to be a poll

[check two]

There already is a thread about those two boxers. Plus the topic is also being discussed in the boxing thread.

[Frailhorse]

IMO its gonna be a war

and i think manny got a better chin then floyd, is slighty faster and stronger, but floyd got more technique

BcsCPUuTNbY

[Frailhorse]

There already is a thread about those two boxers. Plus the topic is also being discussed in the boxing thread.

like i said.....

its supposed to be a poll

and not about the negotiations

[Olive Oil Goombah]

I cant even say who I think would win because I dont know. I think they are both great fighters at the peak of their careers.

It is so disapointing that about the bullshit thats going on because the best thing for boxing is these two fighting at least twice.


I really dont kno who would win. thats why its such a great draw

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

fuck another thread, im not discussing the same fucking thing in 3 seperate threads

if yo were even smart enough to add a poll, this thread would still be pointless, the fact that you didnt though, equals epic fail.

someone needs to add a poll to the real Manny vs Mayweather thread.

[KaramelSundae]

floyd is scared straight up.


it is his ego.

look at him what hes doing,
hes not even serious about training.
hes spending too much time tryna be a celebrity
focusing on partying instead of fighting.

[Kenny Powers]

You people are stupid when you keep saying "if mayweather wanted this fight then there'd be a fight". Your completely missing the point. Mayweather wants a fair fight and with this amount of money at stake where his career and rep are on the line, if he has any suspicion that manny is juicing then he has every right to hold off until otherwise.

Mayweather is the one who wanted the drug testing changed, but Manny is the one who scheduled another fight. come on now

http://pinoyworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/manny-pacquiao-scandal-8.jpg

[whitey]

bc manny doesnt dodge fights. floyd dodged because hes a pussy, so manny decided to fight someone else.

[Olive Oil Goombah]

exactly...

And manny was never suspected of juicing before this.



Its a corny ploy and I didnt for a minute fall for any of mayweathers little games.

Its obvious pretty boy dont want none.

He is obviously not ready

[Frailhorse]

if floyds not ducking then why dont he fight cotto or mosely?

[Olive Oil Goombah]

Floyd has never fought any of the top notch contenders that everyone wanted to see him fight.

He is a fraud to me...yea he has a ton of skill and could be the greatest but if you dont fight the best of your era than you cannot be the greatest.


Its Roy Jones II

[p-rok73]

We know Pac is fighting Clottey on March 13, but supposedly Mayweather is fighting that same day. The opponent for Mayweather is still to be determined, but they have ruled out Matthew Hatton. Everyone from Nate Campbell, Timothy Bradley, Kermit Cintron, Paulie Maliggani (I know I misspelled it) have been thrown around as possible opponents. I know half of these guys aren't at 147 but those are the names rumored. If he wins on March 13 (perfect number for an upset) they're even mentioning Mosley (if he wins) as an opponent after March 13's fight, but we'll believe it when we see it.

[Frailhorse]

mosley is at the end of his career so im sure floyd would take that fight

[11th Chamber]

exactly...

And manny was never suspected of juicing before this.



Its a corny ploy and I didnt for a minute fall for any of mayweathers little games.

Its obvious pretty boy dont want none.

He is obviously not ready

while it may seem that way, I still cant picture in my head Floyd getting his ass kicked in a ring. Even against Pacman

[Tommy]

while it may seem that way, I still cant picture in my head Floyd getting his ass kicked in a ring. Even against Pacman

That's because it won't ever happen.

Clottey is a very hard fight for anyone, including Pacquiao, so it's gonna be an interesting one. Mayweather also has a few interesting choices as well, I'm pretty sure none of them potenital opponents will just roll over and take a beating.

[Frailhorse]

didnt mosley get caught using roids? i wonder how floyd would handle that

[King Tron 1]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w19/ramanaa/2a4s604.gif

Isn't this sorta like the shit Scott Hall used to do?

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[check two]

^^
What does that have to do with boxing? lol

[hectis]

^^
What does that have to do with boxing? lol


mayweather is fighting hall

[check two]

R.I.P. to Joe Rollino.


**NYC amusement park strongman, 104, killed by van.

NEW YORK – A famed strongman who once lifted 3,200 pounds at Coney Island during its heyday and was still bending quarters with his fingers at age 104 died Monday after he was hit by a minivan.

Joe Rollino was struck as he crossed Bay Ridge Parkway in Brooklyn, and suffered a broken pelvis, head trauma and broken ribs. He died a few hours later at an area hospital. Police said the driver was going the speed limit and had not been drinking. No criminality is suspected, but the driver was issued a summons for a defective horn.

During his storied life, Rollino hobnobbed with Harry Houdini, watched Jack Dempsey knock out Jess Willard and was friendly with Mario Lanza. He even had a bit part in "On the Waterfront."

Rollino would've been 105 on March 19, and was the model of health, according to friends. A vegetarian for life, he didn't drink or smoke, his friends said, and he exercised every day. He was a lifetime boxer and was part of the Oldetime Barbell and Strongmen, an organization of men who can still rip book binders at the seam.

Retired NYPD detective Arthur Perry, who boxed in the New York City Golden Gloves in the mid-1960s, met Rollino at his birthday party in 2008 and didn't believe Rollino was the celebrant — he looked too good for a centenarian.

"It was astonishing, how he was smiled upon by nature," Perry said. "If you would've said to me he was 80, I'd have said he looked younger."

A decorated World War II veteran, Rollino got his start as a strongman in the 1920s during the high point of the Coney Island carnival, and he billed himself as the "Strongest Man in the World."

He later made a living as a traveling boxer under the name Kid Dundee and fought in armories in cities around the country where boxing was forbidden.

Rollino said in 2008 that he was just simply born strong.

"Fighters would hit me in the jaw and I'd just look at them. You couldn't knock me out," he told writer Robert Mladinich in an interview for the boxing Web site The Sweet Science.

Mladinich said Rollino had a slew of followers who worshipped him. "He was instrumental in their positive development," he said. "He was an athletic mentor and a father figure to them."

One is 10-time Golden Glove winner Peter Spanakos, whose twin brother, Nick, roomed with Cassius Clay during the 1960 Olympics in Rome. The two met in the 1950s on the beach.

"He's a hero's hero. We should celebrate him," Spanakos said. "A true patriot, an athlete's athlete."

At Rollino's birthday party last year, Spanakos gave him a quarter, and Rollino bent it between his fingers.

"And you know what, he apologized. He said he used to be able to do it with a dime."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100112/ap_on_re_us/us_elderly_man_hit

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100112/capt.ed4c0df4085f43288ba9a6d1f7972294.elderly_man_ hit_nyr107.jpg?x=365&y=345&q=85&sig=C7WJgaNYjcBtOUgmxqHIpQ--

[ALCATRAZ]

if manny agrees to random blood tests, the fight will be on

but manny doesn't want random blood testing

i wonder why manny doesnt want random blood testing

and i wonder why mayweather wants random blood testing

i wonder

[Kingkazim]

mosley is at the end of his career so im sure floyd would take that fight

did you see shanes performance against margarito? it was terrifying .
If shane fights with the same intensity against Berto there is no way PBF will fight Mosley

[Tommy]

did you see shanes performance against margarito? it was terrifying .
If shane fights with the same intensity against Berto there is no way PBF will fight Mosley

I don't look too far into that though, because Margarito had his major plan of cheating foiled pre fight which can only have an adverse effect. This also leads us to believe that Margarito was highly overrated, not to mention a cheater.

Look at Mosley and Mayorga, Mosley pulled some unbelievable shit in the last seconds to save himself in that fight.

[Prince Rai]

Floyd has never fought any of the top notch contenders that everyone wanted to see him fight.

He is a fraud to me...yea he has a ton of skill and could be the greatest but if you dont fight the best of your era than you cannot be the greatest.


Its Roy Jones II

+1

and i'm a pbf fan!

[Kingkazim]

I don't look too far into that though, because Margarito had his major plan of cheating foiled pre fight which can only have an adverse effect. This also leads us to believe that Margarito was highly overrated, not to mention a cheater.

Look at Mosley and Mayorga, Mosley pulled some unbelievable shit in the last seconds to save himself in that fight.

thats what happens too older fighters, they perform well one night then bad another.
with nazim richardson in his corner i can only see good performances.
And with the Margarito fight, shane should receive the full respect for knocking him out the way he did.

[Tommy]

thats what happens too older fighters, they perform well one night then bad another.
with nazim richardson in his corner i can only see good performances.
And with the Margarito fight, shane should receive the full respect for knocking him out the way he did.

I know that's what happens with older fighters, but people need to understand that Sugar Shane ain't what he once was. But don't get me wrong, the way he destroyed Margarito was definitley performance of the year, I couldn't quite believe what I was seeing, NOBODY expected that shit. I just see Berto being a lot faster than Margarito, a lot smarter, and overall taking the fight on points.

Remember, Shane has been outpointed five times before, so there's a high chance it'll happen again.

[Kingkazim]

I know that's what happens with older fighters, but people need to understand that Sugar Shane ain't what he once was. But don't get me wrong, the way he destroyed Margarito was definitley performance of the year, I couldn't quite believe what I was seeing, NOBODY expected that shit. I just see Berto being a lot faster than Margarito, a lot smarter, and overall taking the fight on points.

Remember, Shane has been outpointed five times before, so there's a high chance it'll happen again.

Berto is no Forrest or Wright. He struggled against collazo...COLLAZO.
we know that Berto will enter fight night with the same good speed and good power but does he have the ring smarts and knowledge to outpoint mosley? speed is nothing if the other fighter can time you, mosley has always been a precise fighter.
As i said before if Mosley fights like he did against margocheato then i dont see anything other than a mosley win

[benzo]

^^and Mosley fucked up Collazo too

[Kingkazim]

^^and Mosley fucked up Collazo too

exactly

[ALCATRAZ]

VsCz7AS4PkY

if you wanna cut the bullshit, scroll to around 7:00 and listen to what teddy atlas has to say .... he's speakin the truth

[MaXiMus Da MaNtis]

Its Fuckin BS.......Money Pays Big Rumers.....Whats Wrong With Blood Test After The Fight.....Why Is There This Much Made On A Test Before The Fight.....I'll Tell You Right Fuckin Now If Gayweather Doesnt Fight Mosley NOW!!!!! Than Gayweather Might As Well Say He's A Fuckin Pussy And Scared To Fight Relevant Fighters....To be The Best You Fight The Best Not Settle On A Undercard Typa Fighter In The Meantime While You Have Your Camp Spred Rumors About A Boxer Refusing To Your Terms....


Its All BS

[ALCATRAZ]

manny is choosing to walk away from 30 mil because he doesnt want to take blood FOURTEEN DAYS before the fight

FOURTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEENNUHHH

[hectis]

so who is mayweather going to fight?

[444trumpets]

sugar shane lost all his fights by decision and many ify decisions, never got knocked out i think sugar would give both mayweather and manny a run for the money i have shane winning againts both fighters who ever want it

[roodyp4364]

Don't even care if its been posted before but this is the greatest interview EVA! Love when Brian Kelly from ESPN schools Floyd but he has to hold back cuz he's on cable TV. Don't listen to RA the Rugged Man's music but I'll buy every one of his albums just for this interview. He said everything I've wanted to an interviewer to say to Floyd and then some plus he didn't get overwhelmed by Floyd's trying to loudmouth the interviewer into silence. Fucking greatness!

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[hectis]

Sugar should not even be thinking about mayweather right now

[Kingkazim]

mayweather should retire if he aint fighting manny, shane, or williams.

[benzo]

he'll probably wait 6-8 months, fight pac, then retire.

[RynMur]

From Teddy Atlas interview
What's this about Pacquiao's camp asking Mayweather's camp to hold back the info if Pacquiao tests positive??? This sounds a little fishy, especially if Atlas is getting the information from Mayweather's crew.

From R.A. The Rugged Man interview w/ Mayweather

- "If I leave Boxing, it's dead" - PBF

- "You sayin black fighters can't do numbers now?"- Mayweather "Hopkins is a greater champion than you and he's black. Hopkins is the greatest fucking champion of this time cuz he fights every muthafuckinbody and you don't. Hopkins is a champion with a heart. Philadelphia. I love Hopkins cuz that motherfucker will fight anybody. He don't give a fuck about the politics. He will fight everybody" - R.A.

-"Honestly in the 90s you was nasty. Early 2000s you were nasty. You have to show and improve right now brother" - R.A.

-"Pacquiao started at 106 man. Yo, check Pacquiao's resume compared to yours brother." -R.A. "What, gettin knocked out twice?" - PBF "No look at his competition" - R.A. "Why b/c we know the Phillipines have the best enhancement drugs" - PBF

-"Who gives a fuck about money, Legacy brother" - R.A.

I liked how R.A. compared Mayweather to Roy Jones. Because that's exactly how he's going to end if he keeps dodging fights. How can a man be so bigheaded ("boxing is dead without me") without stepping up to the table.

Plus, what R.A. said about Hopkins is the truest shit I've heard. That is why I have so much respect for him. If the Pacman v. PBF never happens, then I'll spend my money on the B-Hop v. RJJ rematch. I've been waiting ten years to see B-Hop punish him.

[Prince Rai]

that ra interview was on point.

i also am a fan of PBF's boxing talent, but his ego and greed for money got too big.

[ALCATRAZ]

can't say im not happy that mcgwire came forward with his confession when he did ... makes mayweather look a lot better and makes pacquiao look that much more dirty

pacquiao = juiced up wuss

[ALCATRAZ]

wo_o3jx_n7w

lol the hate storm has begun ... pacquiao is gonna have a dark cloud hanging over his head for a while

[Olive Oil Goombah]

manny is choosing to walk away from 30 mil because he doesnt want to take blood FOURTEEN DAYS before the fight

FOURTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEENNUHHH

Floyd is choosing to walk away from 30 mil because he insists that his oppenent take blood FOURTEEN DAYS before the fight

FOURTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEENNUHHH

[ALCATRAZ]

just a week ago u were sayin floyds request was outrageous and ridiculous now mark mcgwire steps forth and everyone is asking the same question, "where was the clean ball players who shouldve been screamin bloody murder about scrutinized testing??" but cut to mayweather pacquiao and no one wants to hear any of that ... mayweather is the one who has to fight so i dont blame him one bit for being cautious in todays sports climate ... its already been said the only way you can be 100% sure that someone isnt dirty is olympic style testing ...he's not askin him to tight walk across two sky scrapers, jsut give some blood!

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

VsCz7AS4PkY

if you wanna cut the bullshit, scroll to around 7:00 and listen to what teddy atlas has to say .... he's speakin the truth
#

damn

im swaying back to maywedders side now.

i mean when alls said and done, 14 days is long enough. pac man ducked this fight.

[ALCATRAZ]

manny pacquiao = mark mcgwire

[Hollow Dartz]

I been told ya'll this is Pacquio's fault, all you gotta do is take a damn test. Floyd is gonna take the test himself so wtf is the big deal...

[RynMur]

They both are acting like bitches and doing their best to avoid fighting eachother. It's sad that these two are the faces of boxing, and this clearly shows why boxing isn't as popular as it used to be. Remind me to never order another Mayweather or Pacuqiao ppv fight again.

I lost most of my respect for Mayweather after hearing that R.A. The Rugged Man interview. He's the Lil Wayne of boxing. "If I leave boxing, it's dead". Get the fuck outta here with that shit. Then, he clams to be the best boxer ever. haha not even close.

[ALCATRAZ]

at least with mayweather he wont have the steroids cloud hanging over his head ... he may be accused of ducking but at least he wont be accused of juicing ...

[hectis]

Berto has withdrawn from the Sugar Shane fight, so the door is now open for Sugar vs mayweather

[RynMur]

at least with mayweather he wont have the steroids cloud hanging over his head ... he may be accused of ducking but at least he wont be accused of juicing ...

Mayweather will always have the bigger cloud over his head, b/c of his impact on boxing. He has the chance to be one of the best fighters of all time (Pacman doesnt).

Plus, we can't say that Pacquiao is a juicer without getting any actual tests showing him positive. I'm not saying that he doesn't do steroids, but no one questioned him as a steroid user until Mayweather's camp put it out - one of the shadiest camps in boxing.

I really hope Mayweather steps up and fights Mosley. I doubt it though b/c PBF made it clear that he doesn't want to fight anyone having something to do with steroids. If he really wants to impress me, then fight and beat Paul Williams.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

pacquios lookin mad suspect though

lets be honest here

because if u look at it, you realise that Pacquio now is trying to be a big politician, hes desperate to be politiician

he knows being world champ is giving him big chance to become Philipino politician, he was willing to USE boxing to get him there, inc steroids

because he nevr used to be this good

[check two]

Any other boxing discussion besides Manny and Mayweather?

[p-rok73]

Well, HBO's showcasing two of the best featherweights this Saturday. Juan Manuel Lopez & Yuriorkis Gamboa are fighting separate opponents but if they both win it might set up a showdown later this year. I've seen both these guys fight before and they're exciting to watch.

[benzo]

Berto has withdrawn from the Sugar Shane fight, so the door is now open for Sugar vs mayweather

lol Berto took "step-aside money" on the low since Floyd fucked himself and wound up with nobody to fight. the Haiti thing is the perfect veil too... Berto's gettin more money to leave Shane open than if he took the fight. i know dude lost family in the disaster but one can NEVER underestimate the corruption in boxing.

[hectis]

boxing corrupt that's the first I heard of that next thing your going to say is wrestling is scripted

[benzo]

haha i'd love to see Shane and Floyd btw. Floyd gets credit if he takes the fight though..

[hectis]

I do to but not on march 13th

[PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT]

smh if u siding with floyd - are you so easily fooled? blue collar morons more like

so now pacman is juicing on speculation because of all this bullshit?

SMH

[Frailhorse]

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[Frailhorse]

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at 2:40 it seems obvious floyd is ducking manny

floyd is nothing but a mouth and is nothing but excuses from there on

[ALCATRAZ]

first of all that video is from early 2009 basically one whole year ago and even if the video came out last night, floyd aint duckin no one! listen, if manny agrees to take blood up until FOURTEEN days before the fight, mayweather will step in the ring ... with the mark mcgwire shit all over the news i feel as though mayweather has every right to ask for random blood tests ... its the only way you will be 100% positive manny isn't juicing

manny is diiiirrrrtyyyyyyyy

[Rode Block]

Alcatraz, you need to face it, Mayweather is a bitch.

He ducked Maragrito

He ducked Mosley

And he ducked Pacquiao

He comes back from retirement and the first thing he does is fight a lightweight in the Welterweight division. He doesn't go after the guys with the Welterweight belts, he goes after the guy holding the Lightweight belt. Floyd is a bitch and he's scared to fight the top boxers in his own weight class.


Fuck what you THINK about Pac-man. Mayweather has a history of ducking the best fighters in his weight class. Pac-man has no history of ever taking steriods. The only evidence anyone has is that his body got bigger when he hit his late 20's.

[Kingkazim]

may and pac are both bitches i dont have time to look at them.

in the meantime YURIORKIS GAMBOA looks set to be one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world, his performance yesterday was blistering. Atrocious hand speed, accuracy and power destroyed Mtagwa
Could set up a huge mega fight between him and juan ma lopez

[Rode Block]

I hate Lopez. Actually, I hate most Puerto Rican boxers. I hope Gamboa beats the shit out of him when the fight happens. The only thing that can stop Gamboa is his chin. It's always looked a bit shaky too me.

[RynMur]

Mayweather & Mosley are negotiating fight for May 1. Not Mayweather v. Pacquaio but atleast its better than PBF vs. Malignaggi.

[ALCATRAZ]

Alcatraz, you need to face it, Mayweather is a bitch.

no he's not he's a world champion he's like the opposite of a bitch LOL

He ducked Maragrito

mayweather dont fight for braggin rights

He ducked Mosley

mosley aint a pay per view attraction

And he ducked Pacquiao

all mayweather asked for was random testing, nothing too serious... manny walked away not money may

He comes back from retirement and the first thing he does is fight a lightweight in the Welterweight division. He doesn't go after the guys with the Welterweight belts, he goes after the guy holding the Lightweight belt.

marquez called mayweather out, not the other way around... get ur facts straight


Pac-man has no history of ever taking steriods. The only evidence anyone has is that his body got bigger when he hit his late 20's.

yea but his trainer has a history of not knowing that his fighters are juicing... do your homework... why would manny walk away from 40 million dollars just to not take blood? think about that ... why would a human being walk away from forty million american dollars, not to take blood within a fourteen day window...

mark mcgwire is the only phrase i need 2 bring up... mayweather is ahead of the curve... hes the one who has to risk his health in the ring... he could die in the ring... its that real... why wouldnt u want to be 100% positive before putting your life and career on the line

mayweather 40-0 undisputed world champ, niggaz is mad

[RynMur]

All these excuses for PBF are getting out of hand.

[ALCATRAZ]

all he wants is random testing... at the end of the day, when we log off from wu corp... all he wants is random testing

so who is running, really....

[Rode Block]

no he's not he's a world champion he's like the opposite of a bitch LOL

The fuck?? What belts does he have again??


mayweather dont fight for braggin rights

Bitch made excuse. He said he was willing to fight Marquez because the most popular fights are always mexican fighters vs. black fighters...Margarito had an entire country behind him just like Marquez. Yet he turned down the Margarito fight. Why is that?



mosley aint a pay per view attraction

Excuse. Mosley is a well known name. He's the first guy who beat Oscar De La Hoya and he's always been willing to fight anyone they put in front of him.


all mayweather asked for was random testing, nothing too serious... manny walked away not money may

And all Pacquiao asked was for them to fight under the rules of the Nevada Athletic Commission. Mayweather isn't bigger than the sport and at this point he probably isn't even more popular than Pacquiao. He has no right to be making the rules.


marquez called mayweather out, not the other way around... get ur facts straight

My facts are straight. Marquez tried to go up in weight and he looked old, fat, and slow. Mayweather beat the lightweight champ in the Welterweight division. He shoulda went after a real Welterweight.



yea but his trainer has a history of not knowing that his fighters are juicing... do your homework... why would manny walk away from 40 million dollars just to not take blood? think about that ... why would a human being walk away from forty million american dollars, not to take blood within a fourteen day window...

mark mcgwire is the only phrase i need 2 bring up... mayweather is ahead of the curve... hes the one who has to risk his health in the ring... he could die in the ring... its that real... why wouldnt u want to be 100% positive before putting your life and career on the line

More excuses. Mayweather has never asked for this kind of testing before. He's trying to dictate the rules and Pac-Man's camp wasn't having that. Mayweather isn't bigger than the sport. If he doesn't want to fight by the rules they have set up then fuck him. He look like a coward right now. Everyone can see this except black people.

mayweather 40-0 undisputed world champ, niggaz is mad

Mosley and Pacquiao are the world champs. They're the ones with the belts. Mayweather doesn't have shit.

[Rode Block]

Mayweather & Mosley are negotiating fight for May 1. Not Mayweather v. Pacquaio but atleast its better than PBF vs. Malignaggi.

I heard that fight is pretty close to being done. It should be a good fight, but I fear that it may have come a few years too late. Either way, Mosley is still one of the best Welterweights out there and he didn't look his age when he beat the shit out of Margarito a year ago. It should be a very interesting match up.

[ALCATRAZ]

Excuse. Mosley is a well known name. He's the first guy who beat Oscar De La Hoya and he's always been willing to fight anyone they put in front of him.

the numbers dont lie doggy

the numbers dont lie

He has no right to be making the rules.

his life is on the line

Mayweather has never asked for this kind of testing before.

this isn't your ordinary fight... this fight is to crown the greatest boxer of our time... it should be treated like the olympics

Everyone can see this except black people.

obviously a spic like urself would b racist, comin from los angeles n all

Mosley and Pacquiao are the world champs. They're the ones with the belts. Mayweather doesn't have shit.

yea what does mayweather have besides the throne

[check two]

Lets keep it civil peoples.

[ALCATRAZ]

that nigga was out of pocket with that last comment, but i'm glad he said that because it's proof of what people have a problem with when it comes to mayweather... and let me tell you, it has absolutely nothing to do with pacquiao

[Rode Block]

his life is on the line


LOL, so did he just barely realize that?? Because he didn't start to ask for random testing until he was faced with the possibility of having to fight Pacquiao.



obviously a spic like urself would b racist, comin from los angeles n all


I'm not from LA, I'm from the 805. And I'm not being racist. I'm calling Mayweather a little bitch and saying that blacks are the only ones defending him. It's just an observation I've made.

Yeah, I'm a mexican from Cali, but I don't hate Mayweather because he's black. I just think he's a scared bitch.

that nigga was out of pocket with that last comment, but i'm glad he said that because it's proof of what people have a problem with when it comes to mayweather... and let me tell you, it has absolutely nothing to do with pacquiao

I say black people are the only ones defending Mayweather and you call me a racist spic.

Do you realize how ironic that is? I don't care if you call me a spic... but accusing me of being racist then calling me a spic makes you look retarded.

BTW a lot of people have a problem with Mayweather because he's an arrogant asshole with a big mouth and his style of boxing is boring to a lot of people. Sure, his defensive style is effective on the score cards, but it makes for some pretty boring fights.

[ALCATRAZ]

u edited your post youre emotional

ima duck from this thread cuz its a good thread n i dont wana ruin it arguin with racists...

[Rode Block]

I edited it so add so I can quote your last post that I didn't see and respond to it, but go ahead and dip out. Arguing with irrational racists people like you is kinda boring.

[Tommy]

Mayweather can still retain respect by fighting Mosley, seeing how he's ducked him for all these years. If Mayweather ducks Mosley (which I hope he doesn't, but there's a chance he might) what would be your excuse for him then, Alcatraz? And don't say, "he's not a ppv attraction" because Mosley is currently one of the biggest names in boxing, and let's not forget Mayweather also fought severely outgunned Marquez, terrible boxer Baldomir, Sharmba Mitchell and Henry Bruseles (who?) on PPV.

[Tommy]

For the record, Mayweather is one of my favourite fighters of all time and I respect him greatly for what he's done. I'm just looking at it from a boxing fan's point of view.

[benzo]

Mayweather can still retain respect by fighting Mosley, seeing how he's ducked him for all these years. If Mayweather ducks Mosley (which I hope he doesn't, but there's a chance he might) what would be your excuse for him then, Alcatraz? And don't say, "he's not a ppv attraction" because Mosley is currently one of the biggest names in boxing, and let's not forget Mayweather also fought severely outgunned Marquez, terrible boxer Baldomir, Sharmba Mitchell and Henry Bruseles (who?) on PPV.

don't forget Gatti and Zab "I just lost to Baldomir" Judah lol. PBF's a coward...

[Tommy]

Arturo Gatti was a PPV fighter solely for his entertainment value, however, whether Zab-Mayweather warranted PPV is debatable.

[Tommy]

I think Mayweather's found his new opponent anyway:

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Just kiddin'

[ALCATRAZ]

i hope pacquiao gets knocked out

[angry!]

manny, floyd, bob arum, golden boy, everyone involved is pussy for not givin fans that fight!!!!!!!

they lost the potential biggest ppv view buy ever, and got no one to blame but eachother!!!!!!!

bob arums head deserves to be bashed in with a golden brick, zionist cocksucker!!!!!!!! hes the real sour puss in this whole ordeal, he deserves all the hate he can get!!!!!!!

[ALCATRAZ]

If Mayweather ducks Mosley (which I hope he doesn't, but there's a chance he might) what would be your excuse for him then, Alcatraz?

there would be no excuse, there would only be the truth... the reason floyd aint fightin manny is cuz he didnt agree to random testing and everyone knows mosley was juicin at some point in his career so if mayweather dont wanna fight mosley its simply because mayweather cares for his health... why would you want to fight someone who could potentially be juicing

[benzo]

^^^ come on man you're just makin up excuses now...

[Tommy]

there would be no excuse, there would only be the truth... the reason floyd aint fightin manny is cuz he didnt agree to random testing and everyone knows mosley was juicin at some point in his career so if mayweather dont wanna fight mosley its simply because mayweather cares for his health... why would you want to fight someone who could potentially be juicing

Mosley is willing to bend over backwards for this fight; random drug tests, urine samples, blood tests at any time etc. etc. so there is absolutely no excuse for this fight not to happen. You need to understand that Mayweather has ducked people before, Paul Williams, Margarito, Mosley (up until now), and I'm pretty sure Winky Wright would have sacrificed a few pounds to fight him. Granted, Mosley has tested positive for steroids before, but I'm 100% sure he's not gonna do them for this.

[p-rok73]

Mosley has signed his contract according to ESPN.com. He's also agreed to urine, blood tests the same for Mayweather. I was suspicious about Mayweather's demand for blood tests at first but now I'm more on his side. I know that blood tests don't guarantee that one will not cheat but it makes it a little harder. I know people say that Money has been ducking Pacman but Mosley can be just as tough if not harder than Pacman.

[benzo]

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content6880.html?PHPSESSID=9f7e33402b18b0d96b2461c b58fc1aab
^^^ It's official, Floyd vs. Shane May 1st. This will be a damn good fight, I think. Shane's timing better be fuckin ON lol.

[Frailhorse]

floyd ducked this fight for a long time, now mosleys on his last leg and getting a big pay day ,

fuck floyd

hes scared

but this is the 2nd best fight next to manny

[p-rok73]

I was afraid Mayweather was not going to sign the contract. I would rather see Pac & Money but these two fights with Clottey & Mosley aren't bad either.

[hectis]

sigh are both fights going to be on the same day?

[Tommy]

Respect to Floyd for taking this one as it's just as hard, if not a harder fight than if he would've fought Pacquiao. Unfortunately for Mosley, I can see him getting slightly exposed due to his age/long career and Money coming through on points. Either way, it's gonna be interesting.

[ALCATRAZ]

this isn't gonna be an easy fight for floyd by any means and another thing... mosley agreeing to olympic style testing is gonna make pac man look even more DIRTY than he already appears to be

sucks to be manny right now

[Frailhorse]

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[benzo]

sigh are both fights going to be on the same day?

No, Pac fights next month and Floyd fights May 1.

[Frailhorse]

i would love to see shane knock floyd out. he got the power and technique to do it. hes as quick as floyd but stronger.

[Kingkazim]

i would love to see shane knock floyd out. he got the power and technique to do it. hes as quick as floyd but stronger.

floyds all around technical abilities outweigh those of mosleys.
shane often trusts his power too much, then gets oupointed. hes been outboxed by lesser boxers than mayweather before, (cotto, forrest, wright etc..). Mosley does not shine against counter punchers, youll see

[Tommy]

This place has been quiet for a while. What are y'all predictions on these big upcoming fights:

- Pacquiao-Clottey
- Berto-Quintana
- Khan-Malignaggi
- Mayweather-Mosley
- Chambers-Klitschko

[Kingkazim]

pacquiao vs clottey:
pacman by late stoppage or UD. I dont see clottey bring anything new to the table that pacman hasnt handled yet, clottey has a good chin, decent speed and power, hes tough, but he can be flat footed and a little lazy. I see pacquiao outwork clottey.

Berto vs Quintana:
good matchup for Berto, i hope hes recovered from the mental hiccup of the haiti earthquake. Quintana hasnt fought a good fight since 2008 when he beat williams, Berto will KO Quintana impressively

Khan vs Malignaggi:
This could be a terrible fight, the styles dont matchup well. Malignaggi looks improved since leaving Buddy Mcgirt but Khan is wayy too talented for him, and malignaggi couldnt hurt a fly.

[Kingkazim]

mayweather vs mosley:
mayweather by UD or SD, mosely struggles against good boxers (forrest,winky) i can see mayweather outlanding mosley with his pinpoint accuracy. The fight will be interesting Mosley will be on Mayweathers case for 12 rounds, but PBFs defence will ruin Mosleys rhythm and mayweather will take over the second half of the fight

[RynMur]

This place has been quiet for a while. What are y'all predictions on these big upcoming fights:

- Pacquiao-Clottey
- Berto-Quintana
- Khan-Malignaggi
- Mayweather-Mosley
- Chambers-Klitschko

-Pacquaio by SD - i think Pacman is going to have a hard time with Clottey
-Berto by UD - Berto shouldn't have trouble w/ Quintana like he did Collazo, plus i think he'll come in more prepared this time
-Malignaggi by UD - Never seen Khan fight, but he has an impressive resume. Only problem is he hasn't fought any named fighters yet.
-Mayweather by UD - I hate to admit it b/c i want to see PBF get his ass whooped, but Mosley is aging, and PBF is never off his game.
-Klitschko by TKO/KO - Wladimir is going to win big against another big fighter and get no credit.

Other fights
B-Hop by UD over Roy Jones - I hope B-Hop destroys RJJ so i can die happy.
Haye by KO over Ruiz - Should set up Klitschko/Haye match
Pavlik by SD over Martinez - This could be the fight of the year

[Tommy]

-Pacquaio by SD - i think Pacman is going to have a hard time with Clottey
-Berto by UD - Berto shouldn't have trouble w/ Quintana like he did Collazo, plus i think he'll come in more prepared this time
-Malignaggi by UD - Never seen Khan fight, but he has an impressive resume. Only problem is he hasn't fought any named fighters yet.
-Mayweather by UD - I hate to admit it b/c i want to see PBF get his ass whooped, but Mosley is aging, and PBF is never off his game.
-Klitschko by TKO/KO - Wladimir is going to win big against another big fighter and get no credit.

Other fights
B-Hop by UD over Roy Jones - I hope B-Hop destroys RJJ so i can die happy.
Haye by KO over Ruiz - Should set up Klitschko/Haye match
Pavlik by SD over Martinez - This could be the fight of the year

I agree with what you say on the Pacquiao-Clottey fight, although I think Pac will take a points decision, I can see Clottey putting him in spots of trouble with his pure resiliance and stubborness. Berto should win on points or a late stoppage, but it ain't gonna be easy for the first few rounds.

Khan-Malignaggi is a tough one to call. I've seen every one of Khan's fights but he's never been matched against a big name (bar of course a washed up Barrera), so it's gonna be interesting to see how he fares. Malignaggi can't hit hard for shit, but he can take a punch like a champ so he's gonna stay in there for a possible points victory, although it's hard to call.

Mayweather is gonna win on points.

Eddie Chambers is one of my favourite fighters atm and I really hope he can cause an upset but I just cannot see it. Klitschko is gonna pick him off in a boring fight for a points victory.

And although Hopkins and Jones is a battle of old timers, it's gonna be interesting.

[p-rok73]

Any Pacman & sneaker heads on here can check out Pacman's latest Nike's:http://nicekicks.com/2010/02/nike-trainer-sc-2010-manny-pacquiao-pe/#more-76010

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

March 13th, Pacquiao/Clottey.

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[100pr00f]

mike tyson back in the ring.....end of the year.........lol

[SecretRival]

mike tyson back in the ring.....end of the year.........lol

False! (Luckily) http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4969646&campaign=rss&source=BOXINGHeadlines

[100pr00f]

haha good to hear...i agree with mike tyson...he is really fat lol...needs alot of work

[Frailhorse]

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[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Pacquerrao's a fuckin faggot

[p-rok73]

March 13th, Pacquiao/Clottey.

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I'm thinking of ordering...but I think this fight will end with a clash of heads & Pacman up ahead in the scorecards.

[hectis]

I think pacman is going to get upset

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

so whos watching 2nite?

I'm cheering for Clottey.

[Kingkazim]

yeah watching it tonight.
clottey will be alot tougher than what people make him out to be.
If he can control pacmans pace he can control the fight, somehow clotteys gotta make the right hand work and stop pacmans ludicrously good feet movement.
Although i still see pacman dominating the fight, at times clotteys wall defense is just too basic, and pacmans combinations are far from ordinary, they can rip clottey apart.

pacquiao UD12 clottey (im always right since 2007 in my predictions)
ALWAYS

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

oh yeah if it goes to a decision clotteys got no chance, judges are always gonna be a pacs side in a close bout, for obvious reasons.

[Kingkazim]

he wont get a KO.
he cudnt hurt cotto bad when cotto was basically half blind. And one KO in his last 10 fights seems pretty bad, i think clottey is ovverated.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Dont forget about Clottey how controversial/unlucky his "losses" were.

Everybody but the judges agreed he beat Cotto. Also he was beating Margorito to a pulp until he fractured his hand half way thru the fight, which allowed Margorito to get the points win. He has also beaten Corales and Judah, and has never been KO'd (yet).

Clottey is a true fighter and will punch himself till he breaks his arms without a second thought.

[Kingkazim]

yeah i had him beating cotto that night, and the margo fight was a close one.
Hand injuries are always excuses though, its unfortunate but its part of boxing.
i respect that hes a true fighter, he will finish the fight against pacquiao

[BRONZBODY]

pac will take it. but i wont be easy for him thats for sure.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

yeah i had him beating cotto that night, and the margo fight was a close one.
Hand injuries are always excuses though, its unfortunate but its part of boxing.
i respect that hes a true fighter, he will finish the fight against pacquiao

Wouldnt say it was an excuse, he fractured his hand LOL. Its not as if every boxer is fracturing his hand in every fight. It does happen, but I think its a valid excuse for losing a fight, especially if you were winning the fight before it happpened.

[Tommy]

Clottey has performed very well against southpaws in his previous fights; I was ringside when he absolutely took apart Zab Judah, it was like he couldn't miss with that rifle-like straight right hand and Zab didn't want any of it. Personally, though, I thought Cotto beat him although it was very, very close and I'd understand if you had it the other way.

However, as much as I rate Clottey as a tough, seasoned, good fighter, he just won't be busy enough tonight to take the fight. Pacquiao is gonna fire a lot of combinations with high workrate to take a points decision.

I do believe there will spots where Pac comes under a lot of pressure though, it ain't gonna be easy for him.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Yeah but Mannys doped up

[Tommy]

Yeah but Mannys doped up

Margarito had cemented hand wraps and Clottey still didn't give a fuck, he'd fight Godzilla if there was a decent pay cheque.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

yeah and that was another thing, margoritos cement gloves.

he did that against Cotto aswell. fucking scumbag.

[Tommy]

yeah and that was another thing, margoritos cement gloves.

he did that against Cotto aswell. fucking scumbag.

It's hard to say as obviously we don't have any rock, solid (no pun) proof of it. But if he did it against Mosley, who he was actually odds on to win, why wouldn't he have done it against Cotto where he was the underdog? Especially if he'd gotten away with it before.

I was actually at that fight and couldn't quite believe what I was seeing, Cotto was fighting strong for like the first six rounds then just seemed to come apart after little punishment.. even his face was getting mashed up with no real huge punches landed.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

you went to US to watch the fight? how much were tickets?

[Frailhorse]

he did that against cintron too...kermit was 30 -0 with 27 ko then margarito koed his ass in the first rounds...

[Tommy]

you went to US to watch the fight? how much were tickets?

I've been to the US a lot of times for major fights, the next one I go to will be Mayweather and Mosley. Erm, I think the tickets for that one were like $50 each for the furthest out seats? Pretty good price considering it was a huge Mexico-Puerto Rican showdown.

I'd definitley recommend it to anyone, if you see a big fight being advertised then go for it.

[Tommy]

he did that against cintron too...kermit was 30 -0 with 27 ko then margarito koed his ass in the first rounds...

Yeah, Margarito really fucked himself over with that hand wraps thing. All of his wins are now being scrutinised by everyone, and to be fair, when you look at them closely you can kinda tell that something was up. No wonder nobody wanted to fight him, props to P Will for beating him at that time.

[Frailhorse]

i agree, and personally i think margarito is disguting and should be stripped of all accolades and banned from boxing, he could have killed someone if he wasnt such a pussy he needed to fight with cast on.

[p-rok73]

^^ I agree, I lost all respect for Margacheeto after the Mosley fight. As for Clottey, I remember him losing energy in his fight with Cotto. The last rounds he was chasing Cotto but not really throwing punches either. He might have a harder time with Pacman if Pac senses that Clottey is tiring in the latter rounds, I also like Freddie Roach, he'll find ways to make adjustments. I'm not too convinced with Clotteys corner, I think this is their first fight together ( head trainer, I forgot the part time locksmith's name).

[Tommy]

I'm not sure how anyone could forgive or respect Margarito after that disgusting shit was brought out; best believe if Nazim Richardson (a boxing genius) didn't see that he'd still be cheating with it and battering people illegally. It just brings a bad name to boxing and gives people flashbacks of the Billy Collins incident where a guy was basically pummelled with bare fists to the point where he didn't want to live anymore, that's not boxing it's fucking assault. Margarito shouldn't be let back in the ring unless he's fighting in some underground shithole in Mexico somewhere for $10.

[11th Chamber]

Cant wait for the fight tonite. Im sure Pacman will have problem with Clottey, but im always hyped as shit before a big boxing match

Also cant wait to see how the match looks inside Cowboy Stadium and see how many people they got up in there

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=4987259

http://www.hbo.com/#/boxing/fights/2010/03-13-manny-pacquiao-vs-joshua-clottey/video/fight-week-daily-6.html/eNrjcmbOYC7ULMtMSc13zEvMqSzJTHbOzytJrShRz89JgQkFJK an+iXmpjLns0knlpbkF+QkVtqWFJWmsjGyMXIyMgIAdc8XOA==

[angry!]

I'm not sure how anyone could forgive or respect Margarito after that disgusting shit was brought out; best believe if Nazim Richardson (a boxing genius) didn't see that he'd still be cheating with it and battering people illegally. It just brings a bad name to boxing and gives people flashbacks of the Billy Collins incident where a guy was basically pummelled with bare fists to the point where he didn't want to live anymore, that's not boxing it's fucking assault. Margarito shouldn't be let back in the ring unless he's fighting in some underground shithole in Mexico somewhere for $10.

tommy does the knowledge!!!!!!!

still feel bad for collins!!!!!!! kids sight was gone after the fight, and you dead right, he didnt wanna live anymore after that mauling!!!!!!!!!!! one of the saddest events in boxing history!!!!!!!!!!

margarito should be looking for work in a home depot parking lot!!!!!!! no place for that!!!! fernando vargas frownin on that!!!!!!!!!!!

excited for the fight tonight, i think paq will take it, but i think hes pussy after the flloyd debacle!!!!!!!! ill be rooting against bob arums jew nazi ass as usual!!!!!!!!!!

mannys rep took a major hit if you ask me!!!!!!! mosely agreed to all the testing and more... mosely is gonna beat up on floyd, whether he wins or loses... manny took the safest fight he possibly could after ducking floyd, im not expecting any suprises!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Frailhorse]

mosley tested positive for roids before and floyd still is fighting him AND waited after hes past his prime and this is mosleys biggest pay day im sure he would have sucked floyd off if it was in the contract but besides floyd this is the best fight manny could have

[11th Chamber]

Pathetic performance by Clottey. Talk about getting your paycheck and being content with just that

[p-rok73]

^^ Clottey seemed concerned about NOT getting knocked out than winning the fight. A good scrap for Pacman to keep busy and make some $$.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Maybe Clottey has an ego thing with not getting hit or knocked out, idk. Alot of Africans are like that, super proud and shit, the last thing he wouldve wanted is to be knocked out in front of all the people watching.

I was dissapointed in the fight overall, Clottey would throw 1 or 2 punches per round, and the funny thing is whenever Clottey actually did show the ambition to punch, he was pretty much hitting Paq everytime. It was like if you wanna hit Manny, you can pretty easily.

Manny's only defence is his constant offence. Which is great and effective, but he can be hit. At ease. If only Clottey had shown more desire to hit, he MIGHT of had more chance. But saying that, Mannys so fast, as soon as you do try to go after him, he WILL catch you flush at some point. So its all or nothing. Clottey went for nothing.

[Kingkazim]

Maybe Clottey has an ego thing with not getting hit or knocked out, idk. Alot of Africans are like that, super proud and shit, the last thing he wouldve wanted is to be knocked out in front of all the people watching.

I was dissapointed in the fight overall, Clottey would throw 1 or 2 punches per round, and the funny thing is whenever Clottey actually did show the ambition to punch, he was pretty much hitting Paq everytime. It was like if you wanna hit Manny, you can pretty easily.

Manny's only defence is his constant offence. Which is great and effective, but he can be hit. At ease. If only Clottey had shown more desire to hit, he MIGHT of had more chance. But saying that, Mannys so fast, as soon as you do try to go after him, he WILL catch you flush at some point. So its all or nothing. Clottey went for nothing.

in an interview before the fight clottey said this " Even IF i lose, i want to lose differently to all the other guys pacquiao beat" Clotteys mentality wasnt there, i dont think he even believe he could win.

The thing i noticed about manny is that some of his moves are very repetitive, when an orthodox fighter throws the jab or lead left hook, manny steps back and throws a right hook. When theres medium distance between the two fighters pacquiao leans to the right and throws the left to set up body attack or a right hook (only if the opponent throws a punch while pacman throws that left). So clotteys tower guard defence disabled pacquiao to hit clottey with those looping punches which made cotto, DLH, and Hatton die.

Pacman is beatable but itl take a range of skills to counteract pacquiaos ferociousness, skills that Mawyweather acquires.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Floyd can take him, in an ideal world on paper, Floyds style is superior and should win. Unlike Clottey, Floyd uses his defence as his offence, he's defending to set up his punches, unlike Clottey, whos defending just to not get hit. IMO when Paq fights like he does vs Floyd, thats just givin Floyd infinite opportunites to do what he does.

So the more wild punches (Manny doesnt jab) you throw at Floyd, the more your falling into his plan, punches to floyd is like light to a prism, he'll deflect that shit all day. Your just setting yourself up for the counter.

I think Manny and Roach know this, I think they know Mannys style is well suited to Floyd, which is why they wanted more money fights before Floyd. I think this is more likely than Manny being a drug cheat, they probably were just looking for excuses not to fight Floyd, because as soon as they do, and lose, Manny is no longer the games star.

[angry!]

lame, gutless performance!!!!!!!!

you knew it was going to be anti-climactic, manny and floyd are both pussy, manny being the bigger pussy!!!!!!

who really thought clottery was gonna win!?!?!? im tired of this shit in boxing, set up some fights that can go either way!!!!!!! bob arums smoke screens are getting easier and easier to see through!!!!!!!!!

on to floyd vs. shane...

shoulda happened years ago, but mosely is still capable of beating up on floyd and keeping him busy!!!!!!!!!!! i think well get actual fight outta that!!!!!!!

floyd gets called out for ducking niggas, but manny hides behind broken english and that jewish nazi arum!!!!!!!!!!!! manny didnt win any fans last night!!!!!!!! thats for sure!!!!!!!!!

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

"jewish nazi arum" lmao.

Its sad because everyone anyone in boxing could easily pinpoint the leeching pricks that occasionaly make the sport into a joke (this fight for instance, should not have happened), but no one can do anything about it.



As for floyd v mosely, idk about this fight. It could be a good fight to watch, but Shane is 38 now. If you'd have said Shane vs Floyd would be a PPV showtime event after he got beat by Cotto, and that Cotto would be no where to be seen, people wouldve laughed.

It's a shame what effect that Margorito cement fist fight had on Cotto. He hasnt been the same since that. I think those punches have taken something away from him. Cotto - Floyd was the fight to happen after that.

[angry!]

word those loaded hands fucked cottos head up!!!!! cotto takes a lot of punches period, he was eating heavy hands for what 11 rounds!?!?!!

mosely barely got hit against margafritos, mosely dismantled his bitch ass mexican style!!!!!!!

bob arum is a major reason boxing sucks right now, cant stand that fuckin lame, hes don king status, dana white is a lame, but i cheese everytime he shits on that old money powered slave owner!!!!!!!

i think last night was a flop, even though it was the 3rd largest in door crowd, that arena was nowhere near capacity!!!!!!

lets see some fights where the winners a toss up, everyone knew manny was taking this!!!!!

its why bernard hopkins is my favorite fighter, he doesnt want an easy fight!!!!!!!!!

[Tommy]

Where do you all stand on the debate that Manny is an all time great based on his achievements already? Personally, I see him as a beatable foe when put in against the right guy; Mayweather will beat him, as would Mosley, P Will (bit harsh to throw him in as he's a beast at the weight), and possibly even Berto.

I don't wanna be too harsh on Manny as he's great for boxing and there's no denying he's a great, entertaining fighter, but I feel he's slightly overrated. He did what he had to last night, and although Clottey was disappointing, he still landed some decent punches to stay in there.

[p-rok73]

Assuming Manny isn't cheating, I'll give him his props as an all-time great. If Cotto, Oscar, Hatton are shot fighters then a guy like Pacman should have made them look bad (which he did). I wouldn't pick between a fight with Mayweather right now, but I'll say that ANYONE is beatable. Paul Williams has a legitimate loss & also almost lost vs. Martinez. Mayweather almost lost vs. Castillo I & De La Hoya. Berto hasn't beaten or even been in a fight of this caliber yet ( he's strong but he sorta reminds me of Jermain Taylor), as for Mosley we will see how young or old he looks vs. Mayweather.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

Assuming Manny isnt cheating, I'll given him his props as an all-time great if he beats Floyd.

[Frailhorse]

yea if he beats floyd he GOAt status

i give manny props cuz he always fights the top fighters he can

[ALCATRAZ]

he can't beat floyd, because floyd is unbeatable

[Kingkazim]

Where do you all stand on the debate that Manny is an all time great based on his achievements already? Personally, I see him as a beatable foe when put in against the right guy; Mayweather will beat him, as would Mosley, P Will (bit harsh to throw him in as he's a beast at the weight), and possibly even Berto.

I don't wanna be too harsh on Manny as he's great for boxing and there's no denying he's a great, entertaining fighter, but I feel he's slightly overrated. He did what he had to last night, and although Clottey was disappointing, he still landed some decent punches to stay in there.

Mosley wouldn't be able to beat pacquiao, and Berto would get demolished by pacman. The paul williams size advantage is unfair, but i do believe mayweather can beat pacquiao

[p-rok73]

Clottey is out of the way now, leaving Pacman, Mosley, Mayweather (I'm leaving Williams out for now because I think he's supposed to fight Kermit Cintron at 154) to hopefully settle the business at 147 by the end of the year. Leaving Berto as the prime challenge for next year. I just hope Money & Mosley's fight is more entertaining than Saturday's bout. Somehow I see Mayweather taking pot shots at Mosley & Mosley chasing & swinging & missing all night long giving Mayweather a workmanlike UD.

[Tommy]

I can see Kell Brook being a major contender in the Welterweight division in a couple of years.

[Frailhorse]

its crazy watching mosley haul off on margacheeto like that in slow mo

[Tommy]

its crazy watching mosley haul off on margacheeto like that in slow mo

It brings tears of joy to my eyes, I could watch it all day.

[snapple]

that fight was terrible....smh

[RynMur]

I can't believe I had the fight a SD. Clottey didn't take any chances. However, Pacquaio looked unstoppable. I honestly think he can beat PBF.

[benzo]

its why bernard hopkins is my favorite fighter, he doesnt want an easy fight!!!!!!!!!

bullshit. X used to be one of my favorite fighters but he's full of shit now, too. he said he'd fight Dawson more than once but he refuses to fight him and Dawson is the champ! he'd rather take a SUPER easy fight with RJJ, who poses absolutely no risk.

BTW - are people forgetting that Manny threw over 1200 fuckin punches???

[check two]

Tye Fields is one of the most explosive boxers in the new millenium.

[RynMur]

bullshit. X used to be one of my favorite fighters but he's full of shit now, too. he said he'd fight Dawson more than once but he refuses to fight him and Dawson is the champ! he'd rather take a SUPER easy fight with RJJ, who poses absolutely no risk.

BTW - are people forgetting that Manny threw over 1200 fuckin punches???

i heard it the other way around. dawson needs some more fights before he steps in the ring w/ hopkins. and who cares if bhop is fighting rjj, he's been wanting that fight for the past 10+ years.

[benzo]

^^well yeah, that's what B-hop says. i remember him saying a few times though that he'd fight the winner of Dawson/Johnson to prove that he is, in fact, the best light heavy out there. i know he's been wanting the rjj fight but why the hell did he fight that unknown dude Orneleas or w/e his name was at this point in his career? B-hop ain't been the same since the DLH fight.

[Kingkazim]

^^well yeah, that's what B-hop says. i remember him saying a few times though that he'd fight the winner of Dawson/Johnson to prove that he is, in fact, the best light heavy out there. i know he's been wanting the rjj fight but why the hell did he fight that unknown dude Orneleas or w/e his name was at this point in his career? B-hop ain't been the same since the DLH fight.

well yeah since he was reaching the end of his physical 160 lb peak.
so ok he lost to jermain taylor, both were controversial but B-hop still had juice left in him.Destroyed Tarver. He beat winky wright ( taylor managed a draw). Beat calzaghe (its an illusion to think that calzaghe won, if JC won then boxing needs to die and everybody should watch MMA. HE MADE LOVE TO PAVLIK while pavlik was at his prime, nobody thought B-hop could win that fight but he wu-massacred kelly.
So by now bhop can happily retire rich and a ATG HOF, but decides to stick around just to fight some more ( YOU SHOULD APPRECIATE THAT). Ok ornelas isnt a big opponent but he was a warm up fight, and the match was interesting. Sets up a roy jones grudge match, and B-hop deserves this fight, look at bernards resume and age, in years time people will remember bernard as the longest reigning MW title holder with wins against trinidad, johnson, joppy, tarver, DLH, wright, pavlik, and rjj in the future

where does CHAD DAWSON fit in? bernard doesnt need dawson, how much money will that fight make? I already know what will happen anyway (dawson wins SD by being more active) if i was bernard il fuck that. il fight RJJ and do my best to set up a HW fight against adamek or haye. Yes bernard did run his mouth about wanting to fight chad but bernard hopkins is black and from the hood so it fits

[Kingkazim]

Tye Fields is one of the most explosive boxers in the new millenium.

But hes terrible.
Id say DAVID TUA is 1000 times more explosive and succesful. And Tua hasnt faught bums his entire career

[Kingkazim]

I can see Kell Brook being a major contender in the Welterweight division in a couple of years.

YES
alot of skill, and i like his confidence. Hopefully he remains consistent
the best british boxer at the moment is Kevin Mitchell IMO, he reminds me of how legends became legends, by fighting everybody and winning

[angry!]

LOL @ niggas criticizing hopkins.. that nigga busted pavlik the fuck up as an old man!!!! he has the right to pick and choose fights at this stage in his career... b-hop fought the best and his career exceeded just about everyones expectations!!!!!!!!!!! if he wants to pick rjj apart for a decent pay day and exact some revenge at the end of the road, im all for it!!!!!!!!!!

boxing is rigged on some wwf shit.. damn near every big fight these days seems tampered with!!!!!

clottery was hurting manny, but the nigga wasnt following up!!!!!! its like the nigga was gonna get paid more for LOSING!!!!!!!!!! that fight was wack!!!!! he didnt open up, even though he was connecting... PUZZLING!!!!!!!!

manny is championed as an all time great when hes potentially using PED's, bob arum dictates what does and doesnt happen, we got niggas saying floyd is the greatest of all time when he hasnt been challenged in damn near 10 years... this kinda bull sucks the air outta the sport for me!!!!!!! "hes undefeated"... yeah.. he hasnt been in a fight niggas thought he could lose in 10 years!!!!!!!!!! i wanna see floyd in a war, hopefully shane can make it happen!!!!!!!!!

i think de la hoya dropped some fights intentionally to get where he is now... i wouldnt rule it out.. these cats are diabolical money grubbers!!!!!!! wouldnt suprise me!!!!!!!!!

just like it wouldnt suprise me if it comes out manny is doping... him and floyd are both scared of eachother, and its fuckin pathetic!!!!!!!!!!! niggas that pick sides on this have vested interest, they both pussy!!!!!!!!!!

[ALCATRAZ]

as soon as manny agrees to random blood tests, the fight will happen... floyd aint duckin pacquiao

[Tommy]

YES
alot of skill, and i like his confidence. Hopefully he remains consistent
the best british boxer at the moment is Kevin Mitchell IMO, he reminds me of how legends became legends, by fighting everybody and winning

Personally, I can see Mitchell coming unstuck against better fighters. Granted, he's improved a lot since these last couple of years (he was lucky not to get knocked out in a few of his other fights because his defence fucking sucked), but when he starts stepping up against the likes of Guerro, Martinez, Valero, Marquez, and possibly even Katsidis, I can see him getting exposed. The two British fighters I'm most impressed with, who aren't currently world champions, are Kell Brook and Martin Lindsay.

LOL @ niggas criticizing hopkins.. that nigga busted pavlik the fuck up as an old man!!!! he has the right to pick and choose fights at this stage in his career... b-hop fought the best and his career exceeded just about everyones expectations!!!!!!!!!!! if he wants to pick rjj apart for a decent pay day and exact some revenge at the end of the road, im all for it!!!!!!!!!!



Cosign. Nobody has any right to criticse Hopkins whatsoever. I don't even need to sit here and defend his legacy because motherfuckers should already know, plus he's 45 and he's still taking people apart, such as Pavlik and Calzaghe (fucking fraud). At the end of the day, B-Hop has a lot of pride and he can't properly rest until he's taken care of business which is, of course, paying Roy Jones back for beating him in '93.

Anybody watching the Chambers-Klitschko fight tonight? I'm rooting for Chambers as he's one of my favourite fighters but it's gonna be a mammoth task for him.

[angry!]

Personally, I can see Mitchell coming unstuck against better fighters. Granted, he's improved a lot since these last couple of years (he was lucky not to get knocked out in a few of his other fights because his defence fucking sucked), but when he starts stepping up against the likes of Guerro, Martinez, Valero, Marquez, and possibly even Katsidis, I can see him getting exposed. The two British fighters I'm most impressed with, who aren't currently world champions, are Kell Brook and Martin Lindsay.



Cosign. Nobody has any right to criticse Hopkins whatsoever. I don't even need to sit here and defend his legacy because motherfuckers should already know, plus he's 45 and he's still taking people apart, such as Pavlik and Calzaghe (fucking fraud). At the end of the day, B-Hop has a lot of pride and he can't properly rest until he's taken care of business which is, of course, paying Roy Jones back for beating him in '93.

Anybody watching the Chambers-Klitschko fight tonight? I'm rooting for Chambers as he's one of my favourite fighters but it's gonna be a mammoth task for him.

tommy your sig is fuckin gangsta homie!!!!!!!

that was one of the most satisfying fights ever.. watching shane bludgeon that mexican cheat with loaded hands!!!!!!!! sweet justice!!!!!!!

klitschko vs chambers... im with you, i hope chambers can steal it!!! klitschko bros. more entertaining outside of the ring!!!!!!!! big ups to klitschko for bangin that lil honey from heroes, thats grade A white meat!!!!!!!!!!!

tommy, whats your take on mosley vs floyd? you think my nigga shane got a shot?!?!!?!

[Tommy]

tommy your sig is fuckin gangsta homie!!!!!!!

that was one of the most satisfying fights ever.. watching shane bludgeon that mexican cheat with loaded hands!!!!!!!! sweet justice!!!!!!!

klitschko vs chambers... im with you, i hope chambers can steal it!!! klitschko bros. more entertaining outside of the ring!!!!!!!! big ups to klitschko for bangin that lil honey from heroes, thats grade A white meat!!!!!!!!!!!

tommy, whats your take on mosley vs floyd? you think my nigga shane got a shot?!?!!?!

Thanks, my man.

Yeah, I know what you mean, angry. Thing is though, at the time I actually really liked Margarito as a fighter because it was obvious he had worked hard to get where he was, especially with everyone around his weight class avoiding him. To me, he was one of those rugged, hungry Mexican warriors that was great for the sport of boxing, and although he destroyed one of my favourite ever fighters right in front of me whilst I was nearly crying (sounds gay I know) with thousands of crazy Mexicans around me going wild, I still liked and respected him.

However, after I found out he'd been loading his gloves (post-Mosley fight), all my respect for him just depleted to the point where I fucking hated his sorry ass. I must've watched the Mosley-Margarito fight like five times since then, awesome stuff.

Yeah, the Klitschko's have been in some dull as hell fights, but I have to respect them for fighting and beating the best and conducting themselves in a really professional way whilst still making stupid money. People can say what they will against these Ukranian brothers, but they're good for boxing.

Mosley has a shot going into any fight, he's just that good; it'd be dangerous betting against him even if he fought a cruiserweight. Personally, though, I can see Floyd taking a points victory but it ain't gonna be easy for him one bit, in fact, it's probably gonna be Money's hardest fight yet. Fights like this are great for boxing but hard for a guy like me who loves both fighters equally, it still ain't gonna stop me from jetting to Vegas to see it though, lol.

You reckon Sugar can pull it off?

[RynMur]

I say Wladimir by UD or late rd TKO. If Chambers had problems w/ Peter, then I can't see him doing any better against Klitschko.

[Tommy]

Chambers got KO'd in the 12th, shame.

[Kingkazim]

dull ass fight between wlad vs chambers, but wladmir was celebral as fuck. And that left hook at the end was frightening, i still see Haye beating wladmir though.

i dont see mosley beating floyd. Shane beat the hell out of margo but floyd wont stand and trade all night long, shanes stamina and workrate WILL be tested in order to land sufficient punches to win the fight. But floyds defence will slowly ware mosley out, i can see mosley being potshotted and outboxed in the late rounds of the fight. And i wouldnt put tooo much faith in Nazim Richardson, hes great, but pavlik and margarito and nowhere near as skilled as mayweather

[angry!]

Mosley has a shot going into any fight, he's just that good; it'd be dangerous betting against him even if he fought a cruiserweight. Personally, though, I can see Floyd taking a points victory but it ain't gonna be easy for him one bit, in fact, it's probably gonna be Money's hardest fight yet. Fights like this are great for boxing but hard for a guy like me who loves both fighters equally, it still ain't gonna stop me from jetting to Vegas to see it though, lol.

You reckon Sugar can pull it off?

tommy it seems like the UK niggas i run across in real life are real passionate about the sweet science, thats a good look!!!!! my homie at the barbershop is originally from the UK, hes a huge boxing head and the exchanges are always fresh!!!!! i enjoy reading your take on the sport!!!!!!!

as far as mosely, i think he has the power to drop floyd, the problem is gonna be catching him, i dont know that shane has the footwork to shrink floyds point of attack!!!!!!!!!

its tough to bet against may, i wont be putting any money on the fight, thats for sure!!!!!!!! i just wanna see a war, i wanna see floyd in the fray, i wanna see floyd get hit, i wanna see floyd get hurt, if youre gonna go down as an all time great, you need some wars under your belt!!!!! mosely always been a favorite of mine, was shocked when he got caught doping.. but hes still a beast with all that behind him, so ill be pulling for shane!!!!! im confident itll be an entertaining fight!!!!!!

and yo what was clotterys problem!?!?!?! i think he coulda really fucked mannys shit up if he just took some chances, he was getting through but he didnt stay busy!!!!!! hes got crazy hands, but he doesnt keep busy enough in there!!!!! shit seemed funny, kinda felt like a fix!!!!!!!!!

[Tommy]

tommy it seems like the UK niggas i run across in real life are real passionate about the sweet science, thats a good look!!!!! my homie at the barbershop is originally from the UK, hes a huge boxing head and the exchanges are always fresh!!!!! i enjoy reading your take on the sport!!!!!!!

as far as mosely, i think he has the power to drop floyd, the problem is gonna be catching him, i dont know that shane has the footwork to shrink floyds point of attack!!!!!!!!!

its tough to bet against may, i wont be putting any money on the fight, thats for sure!!!!!!!! i just wanna see a war, i wanna see floyd in the fray, i wanna see floyd get hit, i wanna see floyd get hurt, if youre gonna go down as an all time great, you need some wars under your belt!!!!! mosely always been a favorite of mine, was shocked when he got caught doping.. but hes still a beast with all that behind him, so ill be pulling for shane!!!!! im confident itll be an entertaining fight!!!!!!

and yo what was clotterys problem!?!?!?! i think he coulda really fucked mannys shit up if he just took some chances, he was getting through but he didnt stay busy!!!!!! hes got crazy hands, but he doesnt keep busy enough in there!!!!! shit seemed funny, kinda felt like a fix!!!!!!!!!

That's cool you say that, angry, but the kids I grow up around know fuck all about boxing. The only people I get a true boxing conversation with is my dad and cats online; for example, some kid was willing to bet his life that Tyson was fighting professionally at the same time as Ali and another thinks Amir Khan is an all time great???? Lmfao.

No doubt Mosley has the power to drop Floyd, but it ain't gonna be easy for him to land whatsoever, Mayweather's defence is one of the best of all time. However, Money ain't gonna be able to slide, run, and evade for the full fight because Mosley just does not stop, he's a fucking machine, he ain't gonna stop even if he's lost every single round; just look at the Mayorga fight, he fucking pulled it back in the last few seconds to deliver a peach of a left hook to end the fight Rocky style. You can never rule him out.

I'm not sure if I can see this fight being a "war" as such in the vain of Holmes-Norton, Hagler-Hearns, Gatti-Ward(s), Klitschko-Lewis etc. etc. as that won't work in Floyd's favour whatsoever, but there are gonna be periods when Floyd gets hit hard and backed up to the ropes, so we'll see how he deals with it.

As for the Clottey thing, what a fucking joke. I was telling people exactly what would happen months before the first bell: Clottey would throw fuck all each round and get beaten on a wide points decision. Did you hear his interviews before the fight?? "If I lose, I'm not gonna lose like Pac's other opponents"... tell me that ain't somebody who thinks he's gonna get defeated. I wouldn't say it was fixed, angry, I just think Clottey wanted to pick up his $3 million with the least amount of trouble as possible.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

That's cool you say that, angry, but the kids I grow up around know fuck all about boxing. The only people I get a true boxing conversation with is my dad and cats online;

lol yeah thats kinda the same from me my Dad is the biggest boxing expert I know and is the reason im into it myself. although I've had quite a few pay-per-view parties down the years, even back in high school we used to get a bunch together for the big fights.

now though we've got Haye and Khan, and recently had Calzaghe so u'd think more might be into it.

Its not like the glory days of Eubank, Lennox and Bruno though lol. Even Prince Naseem, at least he bought alot of attention.

[Tommy]

lol yeah thats kinda the same from me my Dad is the biggest boxing expert I know and is the reason im into it myself. although I've had quite a few pay-per-view parties down the years, even back in high school we used to get a bunch together for the big fights.

now though we've got Haye and Khan, and recently had Calzaghe so u'd think more might be into it.

Its not like the glory days of Eubank, Lennox and Bruno though lol. Even Prince Naseem, at least he bought alot of attention.

Yeah, we've had the PPV parties as well for the likes of Hatton and Haye, but beyond those names they don't have a clue what's going on. I agree with what you say about the glory days but I never rated Benn that much, and Eubank was good but not great. If they ever fought Herol Graham, they would've been picked apart.

Although I think it's safe to say that Lennox Lewis is the greatest British fighter of all time, anybody who says Calzaghe knows nothing.

[p-rok73]

A lot of my friends hated Lennox, but i thought he was great. He avenged his losses.

As for Clottey, the reason he doesn't get knocked out is because of what we saw vs. Pacman. He did the same vs. Cotto at the end of their fight, & then starts crying because he feels he gets robbed. He has to learn how to close the show, which means taking chances, like Pacman, & even Cotto. Though he would of done good damage to Pacman if he opened up more, I also believe he probably would've gotten knocked out.

As for boxing in general, it needs to clean its act up. Too many champs (WBC, IBF, WBA, IBO, WBO, etc.), interim champs, Super champs, it's beyond silly. Have one recognized champ per division. Too many weight divisions IMO. Super this, Jr. that, go back to the old original weight classes. Add better undercards to PPV events, I know wrestling is fake but at least their fans get a few stars per event. MMA is starting to surpass boxing in popularity, maybe it's time that boxers learn from them.

[benzo]

Who else is hyped up for Marquez-Vasquez 4? Unlike the Pacman/Clottey and, likely, the PBF/Mosley fights this one is GUARANTEED fireworks for as long as it lasts. Practically impossible to make a logical pick in this one as all 3 of their fights were toss-up battles. I'd like to see Marquez get his revenge though since the rematch was stopped early IMO. What do ya'll think???

Morales making his comeback this Sat too... He's my favorite all-time but I'm concerned for the dude at this point. His legs are gone and we all know they don't come back once they're gone. He should stay retired, but we'll see.....

[p-rok73]

Marquez & Vazquez 3 fights are up there with Ward & Gatti's battles. I agree^^ that this is guaranteed fireworks & bombs thrown at each other. I hate what Vazquez's eyes will look like after this fight. Both of these fighters deserve what Clottey made for his fight vs. Pacman, I can't wait for this.

Yea, Morales should of stayed retired, I think he's fighting at 147.

I heard that Pacquiao & Clottey's fight did 700k PPV buys, not a bad number.

[benzo]

Not a bad number at all but May and Shane will crush that, along with any chance of Manny getting a 50/50 split with Floyd. It seems more and more that the "megafight" might not happen. Bob Arum makes way too much by having Manny fight other Top Rank fighters.

[11th Chamber]

Hopkins/Jones Jr II tomarrow nite

This shit is like 5-10 years to late

[check two]

Hopkins can still hang with the best of them.

[Rob Swanson]

Hopkins still looks young 30'a. Dood's discipline is off the charts for that age.

[RynMur]

As long as B-Hop fucks him up, i'll be all good.

My boy's (muay thai) trainer's son is fighting on the showtime undercard tonight.

[Rob Swanson]

Does the fight start at midnight or something?


People are streaming it on Justin.tv and Ustream

[hectis]

what a great fight they were going at it. combos left and right knockdowns fist were flying both men showed showed they can go toe to toe with anyone this is up there with the the thrilla in manila

p.s I lied just now

[Rob Swanson]

haha that fight was pretty damn boring IMO. i feel bad for the people who paid to see it on PPV.


luckily you can grab live streams of almost any sporting event on the web these days.

[DiGitalChamberz]

^ thank you for your sympathy

[Prince Rai]

so david haye won against ruiz.... *silence*

[Tommy]

so david haye won against ruiz.... *silence*

Haye destroyed Ruiz the worst anybody has since the Tua fight, it should've been stopped way before the 9th. If you ask me, Ruiz needs to either drop down a level or retire, he got hit with way too many big punches last night.

Did anybody watch Hopkins-Jones btw? I know Hopkins took it on points.

[Ghost In The 'Lac]

It was a great fight, one of the most enjoyable heavywieght fights ive seen in a LONG ASS time. Haye looks like the No.1 in the division for me, Ruiz was in the form of his life, Haye demolished him. He can take out them Klitchcko jokers. He was right what he said, those fighters they fought last were clowns, lets see if they can do it against Haye.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bendirs/haye_ruiz595.jpg



And Phsycially, I dont think ive seeen a heavywight with his physical condition since Tyson or maybe Holyfield. But Haye has Power and speed


http://a213.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/92/l_0715f48e9867bb0bf37dcd1ee9c6fe74.jpg

^^Compared to so many of these fat overwight lumps in the division, Haye is a cut above.

[Tommy]

Haye looks like the No.1 in the division for me, Ruiz was in the form of his life, Haye demolished him.

Not to discredit Haye's performance or what he achieved, in fact, it was probably his greatest performance next to Mormeck; but no way was Ruiz in the form of his life. He's lost four of his last seven since losing to James Toney and everybody knows he's way past his prime, that's not to say he's still not decent, though.

I think it's pretty early to say Haye's the best heavyweight in the world after just three performances at the weight against average boxers(Bonin - Grade E fighter, and Valuev and Ruiz - Grade C fighters). I'd like to see him fight either one or two of the highly ranked heavys before he goes for the Klitschko's. Chambers, Arreola, Povetkin, or Chagaev look like the ideal guys.

I agree completely when you say about his physique, though. He looks in great shape compared to some of the pudgy players in the division.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_h3yIupL7V3I/R5iq7wXPQfI/AAAAAAAAAPc/llqKj69GpRY/s320/Alexander_Povetkin.jpg
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/332/Samuel-Peter27.jpg

[RynMur]

I heard that Hopkins collapsed after the fight, and both Jones & B-Hop went to the hospital to get checked out. That first punch to the back of the head really threw off B-Hop. He seemed to be a lil dazed the entire fight, but stuck to his game plan to win big. Jones on the other hand didn't seem to try too much on offense, and threw dirty punches whenever he got in trouble.

[p-rok73]

Hopefully its Haye vs. a Klitchko bro. I've never been a fan of Ruiz & I'm half Puerto Rican. He was boring to watch in his prime. It would be interesting to see Haye try to get around the Klitchko's jab and reach. That's if he doesn't back out a week before the fight. These are terrible times for the heavyweights. Both Hopkins & Jones should retire. I'm wondering if the PPV buys outsold Inspectah Decks album sales this week.

[benzo]

time for both X and RJJ to walk away...that fight fight was fucking embarassment. can't believe X tried to bitch out of the fight like that! anyone thinks he was hurt by any of those fouls is kidin themselves.

[hectis]

haye looked good vs john but he last time he was to fight one of the brothers he was on his Uncle Scrooge shit and played duck tails, so until he has the balls to fight one of them instead of talkin about it he is just ok

[RynMur]

time for both X and RJJ to walk away...that fight fight was fucking embarassment. can't believe X tried to bitch out of the fight like that! anyone thinks he was hurt by any of those fouls is kidin themselves.

he didn't bitch out too much if he collapsed in the locker room. dead middle in the back of the head is the worst place to get hit. that commentator was talking a lil too much for not knowing half of what he said.

[benzo]

I've heard all the same reports about X in the locker room but I simply do not believe it. He walked out of the locker room with no help after having just collapsed because he didn't want anyone to see him getting helped? Come on son! It was OBVIOUS that he was bullshitting in the fight. As soon as Tony Weeks said, "I'm not deducting any points", Hopkins was just fine and ready to continue LOL, he was just looking for point deductions. His post-fight interview was laughable, dude needs to work on his pokerface if he's gonna lie out his ass like that. Hopkins initiated all the fouls, hoping that RJJ would lose his cool exactly like he did. Glad they lost their asses on that fight.....arena was fuckin empty!

[p-rok73]

^^ I read somewhere where the tickets were either sold 2 for 1 or even given away free to fill up seats. We'll see what the gate/PPV buys were. Roy isn't guaranteed nothing until B-Hop gets his share first. Roy loses the fight & probably will make what Deck's making from The Manifesto record sales. What a shame... 8 yrs. ago this fight is a big event.

[RynMur]

^the cheapest tickets were 150, thats why i didn't go. you can' really blame the two fighters, abcsports or whoever set up the ppv did a terrible job of running this. I heard there was about 8000 people there (about 4-5 thousand less than a usual ppv event).

after watching it for the 2nd time, i still think it was a good fight. the two 40+ boxers just didnt have it in them like they use to for the last 3 rounds. i give much respect to both fighters for boxing the way they did.

[benzo]

so nobody wants to suck B-Hop off after that incredible performance???

[Frailhorse]

watched this classic fight today again

round 12 was a fucking war

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[RynMur]

Does anyone have Sergio Martinez beating Kelly Pavlik tonight? should be a good fight

[p-rok73]

^^ I'll go with Martinez on a close UD. Martinez's style can give anyone problems. But if Pavlik can connect cleanly then it's a different story. The other fight with Bute-Miranda should be good also...along with 24/7. Should be a good night for boxing.

[ALCATRAZ]

i think mayweather is gonna remain undefeated

[Tommy]

Agreed. He's gonna do it by points as well.

[Come Honor Face]

http://www.freewebs.com/dominican11500/_41103422_mayweather_gatti416.jpg

[Tommy]

So, Edwin Valero hung himself. He was one really disturbed individual.

[DXN]

yeh sad shit, he supposedly killed his wife then hung himself in jail...duhfuck??

but what you expect from someone with hugo chavez tatted in his chest?

[check two]

Yeah, do you think the guilt finally got to him about killing his wife? Or that it had to do with not having anymore freedom for the rest of his life? Or a combo of the two?

[p-rok73]

Valero had his problems (alcohol/substance) & supposedly was going to rehab in Cuba soon. A poor man's version of Pacquiao, sort of reminded me of Pacman before he was with Freddie Roach.

[check two]

Once again a battered wife doesn't come forward when she is being abused and admit that the husband is beating her up. It doesn't seem like there are many boxers out there without anger problems. Maybe one of the reasons that they get into the sport.

[Kingkazim]

im more than confident that Haye can beat the likes of Chambers, Arreola, Povetkin, and Chagaev. Adamek will give Haye a great fight, Klits will make Haye fight the fight of his life.

[benzo]

What's the final predictions for tomorrow? I gotta go with PBF on points. If Shane had a win since the Margarito fight I might say different but the layoff is gonna kill his chances IMO. I can see him winning early rounds like DLH and even Judah, but he's not in his prime and Floyd will step on the gas in the later rounds. Pulling for Shane all the way though!!

[nuttzman]

Valero had his problems (alcohol/substance) & supposedly was going to rehab in Cuba soon. A poor man's version of Pacquiao, sort of reminded me of Pacman before he was with Freddie Roach.


pacquiao's never been a alcohol and substance user:fucku:

[JehovAllah]

ya ready for maywether n mosley....

[11th Chamber]

Floyd in 12 by decision.


Hopefully Mosley doesnt go the Josh Clottey route and just stand there for 12 fucking rounds

[JehovAllah]

ionno i think mosley gon win by knock out in the 3rd round

[benzo]

Floyd in 12 by decision.


Hopefully Mosley doesnt go the Josh Clottey route and just stand there for 12 fucking rounds

there is absolutely no chance of that happening. Shane ALWAYS tries to get a KO up until the final bell, check the Mayorga fight.

[p-rok73]

pacquiao's never been a alcohol and substance user:fucku:

I didn't say Pacman was on drugs..I said Valero's style reminded me of Pacman's before he started to train with Freddie Roach. Now go and play with your nuttz faggot.

[snapple]

LOL i can't beleive people think floyd is gonna win..... shane got this one easy....

[RynMur]

200 on Mosley. Odds were too good not to take (+350). I can see Mayweather going down. This is one of his toughest fights in years.

[11th Chamber]

LOL i can't beleive people think floyd is gonna win..... shane got this one easy....

haha yall are foolin. Theres a reason he's undefeated, and until I see someone even come close to taking him out, there is no reason to doubt him


you guys are gonna be the same people on here tomarrow after Floyd wins, bitching about how he doesnt face worthy opponents