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Wamukota X
05-23-2006, 09:51 AM
WE ARE THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THIS CONTINENT
NO MATTER HOW INCONVENIENT THAT MAY BE
TO EUROPEANS AND THEIR DESCENDANTS!
EUROPEANS DID NOT KILL ALL OF OUR PEOPLE!


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Immigration And America's Bad Karma
By Margaret Kimberley,
April 7, 2006 Lou Dobbs, Bill O'Reilly and other cable television blowhards have appointed themselves crusaders against illegal immigration to the United States. If tempted to succumb to their awful siren song, just think of the Wampanoag Indians. In 1621 the Wampanoags watched as the Pilgrims landed at what is now known as Plymouth Rock. You know the rest of the story. The Indians were killed by warfare and disease. Treaties were broken and land was stolen. The horrific scenario played out across the rest of the nation for almost 300 years. The Iroquois, Seminoles, Choctaws, Lakotas, and Apaches all got the same treatment. You reap what you sow. What goes around comes around. Payback is a bitch. All of those colorful expressions are apropos when the issue of immigration arises and especially when Dobbs, O'Reilly, and Congressional Neanderthals foam at the mouth. The British, the French, the Spanish and the Dutch didn't get green cards when they showed up on Indian lands. O'Reilly's and Dobbs' ancestors didn't either. This nation was built by people who took what they wanted, land that belonged to someone else. The people who followed them accepted the terms of the original deal with the devil. Before complaining about immigrants, compare yourself to a Wampanoag. Are Mexicans giving you small pox? Are they attacking your neighborhood and slitting your throat? Have they claimed your town as a colony for Mexico? Present day Americans are getting a much better deal from newcomers than the original Americans ever had. Speaking of Mexico, a good chunk of the United States west of the Mississippi originally was part of Mexico. From 1846 to 1848 the United States government made its awful vision of Manifest Destiny a reality when it fought a war to steal half of Mexico's territory. Present day Texas, California, Utah, Nevada, parts of Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming were all Mexican territory. New immigrants from Mexico to the American west are just going back to their old neighborhood. What goes around does quite literally come around. Of course, Mexico was Indian territory stolen originally by the Spanish. So much bad karma, so little time. America cannot have an honest discussion about immigration without revisiting its sordid past. Indians must be laughing as the descendants of their oppressors stay in a snit because newcomers arrive without permission. Like the Indians, African Americans have a singular experience and therefore a unique view on immigration. Poor, uneducated immigrants compete most directly with low wage Americans for jobs. In the 18th and early 19th centuries, European immigrants were directly recruited to take jobs that could have easily been given to black Americans. That history and our perpetually precarious economic condition create a justifiable wariness. Yet the answer to black Americans economic oppression is not to join with the likes of right wing Republicans. These hypocrites act only to improve the economic well being of the haves and the have mores. If they truly cared about the American worker they wouldn't cut taxes for the wealthy, try to end Social Security, and create a Medicare drug plan that is nothing but a windfall for pharmaceutical companies. Instead of whining that some illegal immigrants use Medicaid, they should advocate for national health insurance. If Americans had this and other benefits that citizens of the rest of the world have, resentment against immigrants would diminish. Are immigrant day laborers in Home Depot parking lots causing the worst problems for American workers? The wholesale disappearance of high paying blue collar jobs is the real problem. Images of Mexicans sneaking across the border make for a great distraction when the plight of union workers at Delphi and GM ought to be addressed. Once again the supposedly generous nation brings out the worst in its citizens because it isn't generous at all. Americans live a dog eat dog existence, watching as corporate interests plot to destroy what little is left of the safety net. Because there is never a serious discussion about the economic system in this country, phony debates are deliberately created to keep the public from thinking about the issues that really cause their problems. Of course, racism is at the heart of the anti-immigrant backlash and will be at the heart of any so-called solutions. Republican Congressperson Dana Rohrabacher (CA) had an answer to the argument that immigrants take jobs that Americans won't: "We do not need more people from foreign countries coming in and taking American jobs - even jobs in the fields. I say, let prisoners pick the fruits. [Emphasis added] Let's not bid down the wages of American workers." America has a greater percentage of its population under lock and key than any other country on earth. Now we have a new justification for mass incarceration. Prisoners can be used for free labor. The bad karma list is already too long. As Republicans fight over whether they ought to be overtly racist or keep commerce and cheap labor flowing through the border, don't fall for the hype. Think about how life for American working people could be improved if cynical politicians weren't indulging in cheap theatrics. Then imagine being a Wampanoag in the 17th century. Margaret Kimberley's Freedom Rider column appears weekly in BC

Wamukota X
05-23-2006, 03:13 PM
European colonialism goes intergalatic.

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denaturat
05-23-2006, 03:24 PM
we should never forget...btw, where are you from X?

Wamukota X
05-23-2006, 04:09 PM
we should never forget...btw, where are you from X?


The "Den of Theives" or some call it Washington,D. C.

Wamukota X
05-25-2006, 08:30 AM
Discrimination, not illegal immigration, fuels Black job crisis
By Earl Ofari Hutchinson



Updated May 10, 2006, 08:56 am


http://www.finalcall.com/artman/uploads/undocumented.jpgProtesters gather alongside Thomas Road and 36th Street on May 1 in Phoenix, Ariz., as part of a nationwide boycott intended to show how vital immigrants are to the American economy. Immigrants were encouraged not to work or spend any money on May 1st. Photo: AP/World Wide Photos





The battle continues to rage between economists, politicians, immigrant rights activists and Black anti-immigration activists over whether illegal immigrants are the major cause of double-digit joblessness among poor, unskilled, young Black males. The battle lines are so tight and impassioned that Black anti-immigration activists planned a march for jobs for American-born Blacks on Apr. 28 in Los Angeles. This is a direct counter to the planned mass action three days later by some immigrant rights groups.
According to Labor Department reports, nearly 40 percent of young Black males are unemployed. Despite the Bush administration’s boast that its tax cut and economic policies have resulted in the creation of more than 100,000 new jobs, Black unemployment still remains the highest of any group in America. Black male unemployment for the past decade has been nearly double that of White males. The picture is grimmer for young Black males.

But several years before the immigration combatants squared off, then-University of Wisconsin graduate researcher Devah Pager pointed the finger in another direction, a direction that makes most employers squirm—and that’s toward the persistent and deep racial discrimination in the workplace. Ms. Pager found that Black men without a criminal record are less likely to find a job than White men with criminal records.
Her finger-point at discrimination as the main reason for the racial disparity in hiring set off howls of protest from employers, trade groups and even a Nobel Prize winner. They lambasted her for faulty research. Her sample was much too small, they said, and the questions too vague. They pointed to the ocean of state and federal laws that ban racial discrimination. But in 2005 Ms. Pager, now a sociologist at Princeton, duplicated her study. She surveyed nearly 1,500 private employers in New York City, using teams of Black and White testers, standardized resumes and follow-up visits with telephone interviews with employers. These are the standard methods researchers use to test racial discrimination. The results were exactly the same as in her earlier study, despite the fact that New York has some of the nation’s toughest laws against job discrimination.
Dumping the blame for the chronic job crisis of young, poor Black men on undocumented immigrants stokes the passions and hysteria of immigration reform opponents, but it also lets employers off the hook for discrimination. And it’s easy to see how that could happen. The mountain of federal and state anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action programs and successful employment discrimination lawsuits give the public the impression that job discrimination is a relic of a shameful, racist past. But that isn’t the case, and Ms. Pager’s study is hardly isolated proof of that.
Countless research studies, the Urban League’s annual State of Black America report, a 2005 Human Rights Watch report and the numerous discrimination complaints reviewed by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission over the past decade reveal that employers have devised endless dodges to evade anti-discrimination laws. That includes rejecting applicants by their names or areas of the city they live in. Black applicants may be incorrectly told that jobs advertised were filled already.
In a seven-month comprehensive university study of the hiring practices of hundreds of Chicago area employers, a few years before Ms. Pager’s graduate study, many top company officials when interviewed said they would not hire Blacks. When asked to assess the work ethic of White, Black and Latino employees by race, nearly 40 percent of the employers ranked Blacks dead last. The employers routinely described Blacks as being “unskilled,” “uneducated,” “illiterate,” “dishonest,” “lacking initiative,” “involved with gangs and drugs” or “unstable,” of having “no family values” and being “poor role models.”
The consensus among these employers was that Blacks brought their alleged pathologies to the work place, and were to be avoided at all costs. Not only White employers express such views; researchers found that Black business owners shared many of the same negative attitudes. Other surveys have found that a substantial number of non-White business owners also refuse to hire Blacks. Their bias effectively closed out another area of employment to thousands of Blacks, solely based on their color. This only tells part of the sorry job picture for many poor Blacks.
The Congressional Black Caucus reports that at least half of all unemployed Black workers have been out of work for a year or more. Many have given up looking for work. The Census does not count them among the unemployed. The dreary job picture for the unskilled and marginally skilled urban poor, especially the Black poor, is compounded by the racially skewed attitudes of small and large employers. Even if there was not a single illegal immigrant in America, that attitude insures that many Black job seekers would still find themselves shut out.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 07:48 AM
European colonialism goes intergalatic.

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Lmao...Damn!

Where you been at??

You always comin with the real!

Good post, God.

I feel the exact same way about the immigration issues....it's just another scapegoat for racism and discrimination.

WARPATH
05-26-2006, 01:27 PM
Yeah! Fight the Power!

Wumakota X what tribe are you from homey?

BRASSKNUCKLED PAI MEI
05-26-2006, 02:02 PM
Peace!!! Good post

Wamukota X
05-30-2006, 07:40 AM
Lmao...Damn!

Where you been at??

You always comin with the real!

Good post, God.

I feel the exact same way about the immigration issues....it's just another scapegoat for racism and discrimination.


Peace Queen, I've been studing and Allah has been increasing, degree by degree.

Wamukota X
05-30-2006, 08:09 AM
Yeah! Fight the Power!

Wumakota X what tribe are you from homey?



Peace Soldier, I'm from the Tribe of Shabazz.


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Wamukota X
05-31-2006, 08:09 AM
A Respectful Black-Hispanic Coalition

By Ron Walters
May 29, 2006

In between the reticence of the Black leadership to fully discuss the problem of immigration, especially as it affects the demands of the Hispanic population and the resentment of their constituents to those demands, is the necessity to consider rationally the content of an agenda that will unite the potential power of both.
Thus far, the voices of civil rights and political leaders are either stilled or in in support of a progressive approach to immigration that does not take into consideration the resentment of the rank and file Black working class. Their acknowledgment of the civil and human rights of Hispanics, is therefore, considered one-sided and incomplete by many of their constituents. My task then, is to propose measures that would construct the other side of the agenda, so that the progressive content of Black support for the Hispanic mobilization could be respectful of Black interests as well.
To begin with, Blacks should strongly support the current mobilization of Hispanics for measures that would result in the legalization of their status as workers and citizens, whether that proposed in the Kennedy - McCain bill or the Bush proposals, or by some other process. But public opinion polling also indicates that Blacks favor limiting further illegal immigration, though one would doubt by the means proposed by Bush that favors militarizing the U. S. border.
In exchange for Black support. However, there are three consideration that might be addressed to the Hispanic community:
First, limiting further illegal, low-wage labor should not be focused on criminalizing those who cross the border, but those who provide the incentive for them to come. Employers are practicing racial discrimination against Blacks in the labor market, which was prohibited by the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Title VII. Blacks are excluded from work opportunity by employers seeking low-wage workers, and since in the process, they sanction the exclusion of Blacks from the labor force, as such, should be prosecuted for such violations.
Second, Hispanic managers who procure workers should be made sensitive to the necessity - and legality - to secure Black workers. In some areas, I have seen them include Black workers as a part of groups they hire for jobs in hotels, restaurants, construction or other day jobs, but not frequently. More often, such managers are part of the system of racial segregation of the labor groups delivered to employers.
Third, Hispanic laborers should push for higher wages and benefits through unionization. A great model exists in the efforts of the Service Employers International Union (SEIU), a group that has enrolled thousands of Hispanic service workers. Hispanics could re-energize the American labor movement if they take the new-found courage to protest and demonstrate, not only into the ballot box, but into the labor halls as well.
Fourth, Hispanic leaders and civic activists should organize their constituents into a new force for state campaigns to achieve living wage and minimum wage legislation, where such legislation has been blocked on a national level. This could also assist Blacks and other low-wage populations to enter jobs at wages that, though they may not be sufficient, would more effectively contribute to family budgets and consequently to the viability of their members.
The stakes of developing a respectful coalition between Blacks and Hispanics is that rank-and-file Blacks who are resentful of Hispanic gains could be brought along if they see them fighting for a common agenda that lifts their own access to opportunity. But leadership is necessary in crafting such an agenda, not in denying that a problem exists. Leadership is vital because the stakes in developing an strong and effective coalition based an agenda, respectful of both interests are so high.
For example, right now, in the fight against poverty, the welfare program, known in most states as the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families program, has essentially pushed off most of 52 percent of former welfare clients into low-wage jobs. They are trapped in such jobs, or loose them to others competing for the same jobs and neither group is the beneficiary of a system that gets them out of poverty. But if the actions are taken above, both sets of workers could play a powerful role in lifting Blacks coming off of welfare into jobs, and those Hispanics competing with them, out of poverty.
Speaking of the political stakes, I continue to emphasize the point that Blacks and Hispanics constitute 25-30 percent of the population in 13 states and that those states represent 43 percent of the electoral vote for president. But that power is potential at the moment because Hispanics vote at about half the level of Blacks (11 percent to 6 percent) in national elections. When they begin to vote at the same level of Blacks, perhaps in the not too distant future, the combination will constitute one quarter of the American electorate.
The increase in the Hispanic vote between 1998 and 2002 was 10 percent. If that continues, as is likely from the mobilizations taking place, it could match the turnout of Blacks this fall. And if the Bush administration's favorable numbers are still low, Black and Hispanic voters could contribute to an electoral psunami that would change the politics of government and make possible many of the policies that they need.
The message here is two-fold. Black leaders need to both support the Hispanic mobilization more forcefully and from the perspective of the interests of their community, especially those who are most affected by the growing presence of the Hispanic population. In this, they must help to craft a respectful agenda that is the glue of a strong and effective coalition.
Then, as the Hispanic mobilization continues, it needs to consider expanding its agenda. I am aware of the debate within that community over this tactics, but it should not be considered just a tactic, but a grand strategy for achieving long-term objectives. It may be that in the urgency of the moment, a narrow agenda is best to fuel organizing, but at some point soon, Hispanics should join ranks with the low-wage American working class and push hard in the direction of change. In this respect, the demand for citizenship has a price.
Ron Walters is the Distinguished Leadership Scholar, Director of the African American Leadership Institute and Professor of Government and Politics at the University of Maryland College Park. His latest books are: White Nationalism, Black Interests (Wayne State University Press) and Freedom Is Not Enough (Rowman and Littlefield).

mcca555
05-31-2006, 05:01 PM
im mexican and white people be telling me go back to my country
WTF?

UNCLE RUCKUS
05-31-2006, 08:16 PM
Peace
Thanks great read!
There should be a BACK TO EUROPE campaign!

Wamukota X
06-01-2006, 08:11 AM
im mexican and white people be telling me go back to my country
WTF?

The Europeans that carved up this continent want people to think Mexico is separate that's why they call this North America but in reality it's all one big stolen piece of property in the name of White Supremacy.

LHX
06-01-2006, 06:18 PM
European colonialism goes intergalatic.

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if they could
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Wamukota X
06-02-2006, 04:22 PM
THE HISTORY:
First, Europeans criminally invade our continent in 1492. They occupy our continent and all of its lands for over 500 years. Over the centuries they kill 95% of our population, (70 to 100 million total killed in the "Western Hemisphere", 33 million killed in "North America" alone), using the SMALLPOX weapon of mass destruction (Smallpox is the ugly big secret of European success in killing off 95% of our people).


All of these CRIMES (http://www.mexica-movement.org/timexihcah/CRIMESOFEUROPEANS.htm) were very dishonorable, savage, and immoral things to do to us.

RACISM (White Supremacy CONTINUES Without Shame)



And now RACISTS tell the 5% of us who have survived this holocaust that none of our land is ours anymore, and that all of our continent and all of its wealth of natural resources now belong to Europeans. They tell us that we should "go back to Mexico" when most of us of the Mexica Movement were born here, and we are citizens of the government that rules our lives. Mexico and "Central America" are also owned and controlled by European descent,by Europeans are even more Racist White Supremacists there.
Like we said, there are a lot of good white people out there, but there are also the loud, violent, and low I.Q. Racist White Supremacists who would easily put us in concentration camps and ovens if they felt they could get away with it. Some have already written to us to tell us that they have concentration camps and hot ovens waiting for us.
Oh, yes, and finally, these same moron Racist White Supremacists also say that we are not "Indians" (they mean Nican Tlaca, Indigenous), that we are Spaniards (Europeans). They know we're not Spaniards or white (that's why they call us the "Brown people") or anything that is European or else all of this "illegals-borders" issue would not exist! They say that all the "Indians" were killed and that we're just Spaniards. The ignorance and dishonesty of these Racist White Supremacists is immoral, illogical, untruthful, and an injustice. Over 30% (over 45 million) of Mexicans and "Central Americans" are Full-blood Nican Tlaca (Indigenous). The other 65% (100 to 120 million) or more are Mixed-Blood, with 3/4 "looking" Nican Tlaca. The Mixed-bloods are not White. It is monstrous that they rape our population (mutilate our DNA) and then they have the monstrous vomit to say that we are not Nican Tlaca and that even the Full-Bloods of our people are not considered Nican Tlaca—that we are NOTHING WORTHY OF CONSIDERING AS HUMAN WITH EQUAL RIGHTS WITH WHITES TO A FULL HUMANITY, with no rights to our continent or its wealth and no rights to our identity as Nican Tlaca. How convenient for them: Heads they win, tails we lose. The majority of African descent people in the U.S. have some European blood,they speak English (but are not "English"), have British names (but are not "Britanic"), but all of that rape and cultural corruption doesn't deny them the right to call themselves black or to assert their African heritage. That same logic goes for our people! We are not Spanish or Hispanic or Latino!

Aqueous Moon
06-06-2006, 07:40 PM
THE HISTORY:
First, Europeans criminally invade our continent in 1492. They occupy our continent and all of its lands for over 500 years. Over the centuries they kill 95% of our population, (70 to 100 million total killed in the "Western Hemisphere", 33 million killed in "North America" alone), using the SMALLPOX weapon of mass destruction (Smallpox is the ugly big secret of European success in killing off 95% of our people).


All of these CRIMES (http://www.mexica-movement.org/timexihcah/CRIMESOFEUROPEANS.htm) were very dishonorable, savage, and immoral things to do to us.

RACISM (White Supremacy CONTINUES Without Shame)



And now RACISTS tell the 5% of us who have survived this holocaust that none of our land is ours anymore, and that all of our continent and all of its wealth of natural resources now belong to Europeans. They tell us that we should "go back to Mexico" when most of us of the Mexica Movement were born here, and we are citizens of the government that rules our lives. Mexico and "Central America" are also owned and controlled by European descent,by Europeans are even more Racist White Supremacists there.
Like we said, there are a lot of good white people out there, but there are also the loud, violent, and low I.Q. Racist White Supremacists who would easily put us in concentration camps and ovens if they felt they could get away with it. Some have already written to us to tell us that they have concentration camps and hot ovens waiting for us.
Oh, yes, and finally, these same moron Racist White Supremacists also say that we are not "Indians" (they mean Nican Tlaca, Indigenous), that we are Spaniards (Europeans). They know we're not Spaniards or white (that's why they call us the "Brown people") or anything that is European or else all of this "illegals-borders" issue would not exist! They say that all the "Indians" were killed and that we're just Spaniards. The ignorance and dishonesty of these Racist White Supremacists is immoral, illogical, untruthful, and an injustice. Over 30% (over 45 million) of Mexicans and "Central Americans" are Full-blood Nican Tlaca (Indigenous). The other 65% (100 to 120 million) or more are Mixed-Blood, with 3/4 "looking" Nican Tlaca. The Mixed-bloods are not White. It is monstrous that they rape our population (mutilate our DNA) and then they have the monstrous vomit to say that we are not Nican Tlaca and that even the Full-Bloods of our people are not considered Nican Tlaca—that we are NOTHING WORTHY OF CONSIDERING AS HUMAN WITH EQUAL RIGHTS WITH WHITES TO A FULL HUMANITY, with no rights to our continent or its wealth and no rights to our identity as Nican Tlaca. How convenient for them: Heads they win, tails we lose. The majority of African descent people in the U.S. have some European blood,they speak English (but are not "English"), have British names (but are not "Britanic"), but all of that rape and cultural corruption doesn't deny them the right to call themselves black or to assert their African heritage. That same logic goes for our people! We are not Spanish or Hispanic or Latino!






These are some of the best truest words I've seen all day...the whole post. I mean damn!

Thank you for sharing this. I have a clearer understanding now.

Peace

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-06-2006, 07:47 PM
Peace
Yeah deep post, thanks

Wamukota X
06-08-2006, 02:30 PM
500 YEARS OF
INDIGENOUS RESISTANCE
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That was no "Discovery" -- it was an American Indian Holocaust!
Until recently, commonly accepted population levels of the indigenous peoples on the eve of 1492 were around 10-15 million. This number continues to be accepted by individuals and groups who see 1492 as a "discovery" in which only a few million Indians died -- and then mostly from diseases. More recent demographic studies place the Indigenous population at between 70 to 100 million peoples, with some 10 million in North America, 30 million in Mesoamerica, and around 50 to 70 million in South America.
Today, in spite of 500 years of a genocidal colonization, there is an estimated 40 million Indigenous peoples in the Americas. In Guatemala, the Mayan peoples make up 60.3 percent of the population, and in Bolivia Indians comprise over 70 percent of the total population. Despite this, these Indigenous peoples lack any control over their own lands and comprise the most exploited and oppressed layers of the population; characteristics that are found also in other Indigenous populations in the settler states of the Americas (and throughout the world).
THE PRE-COLUMBIAN WORLD

Before the European colonization of the Americas, in that time of life scholars refer to as "Pre-history" or "Pre-Columbian", the Western hemisphere was a densely populated land. A land with its own peoples and ways of life, as varied and diverse as any of the other lands in the world.

In fact, it was not even called "America" by those peoples. If there was any reference to the land as a whole it was as Turtle Island, or Cuscatlan, or Abya-Yala.
The First Peoples inhabited every region of the Americas, living within the diversity of the land and developing cultural lifeways dependent on the land. Their numbers approached 70-100 million peoples prior to the European colonization.
Generally, the hundreds of different nations can be summarized within the various geographical regions they lived in. The commonality of cultures within these regions is in fact a natural development of people building life-ways dependent on the land. As well, there was extensive interaction and interrelation between the people in these regions, and they all knew each other as nations.
In the Arctic region live(d) the Inuit and Aleut, whose lifeways revolve(d) around the hunting of sea mammals (Beluga whales, walruses, etc.) and caribou, supplemented by fishing and trading with the people to the south.
South of the Arctic, in the Subarctic region of what is today Alaska, the Northwest Territories, and the northern regions of the Canadian provinces, live(d) predominantly hunting and fishing peoples. The variations of these lands range from open tundra to forests and lakes, rivers, and streams. The Cree, Chipewyan, Kaska, Chilcotin, Ingalik, Beothuk, and many other nations inhabit(ed) this region, hunting bear, goats, and deer in the west, musk oxen and caribou further north, or buffalo further south in the prairies.
Altogether in the Arctic and Subarctic regions there lived perhaps as many as 100,000 people.
On the Pacific Northwest coast, stretching from the coasts of Alaska and BC down to northern California, live(d) the Tlingit, Haida, Tsimshian, Kwa-Kwa-Ka'wakw, Nuu-chah-nulth, Nuxalk, Salish, Yurok, and many others. These peoples developed a lifeway revolving around fishing. The peoples of this region numbered as many as four million.
Between the Pacific coastal mountain range and the central plains in what is today southern BC, Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana, live(d) the Sahaptin (Nez Perce), Chopunnish, Shoshone, Siksikas (Blackfeet), and others. These peoples numbered around 200,000.
To the east were people of the plains, encompassing a vast region from Texas up to parts of southern Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, eastward to North and South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Arkansas. Here, the Lakota (Sioux), Cheyenne, Arapaho, plains Cree, Siksikas (of the Blackfeet Confederacy, including the Blood and Peigan), Crow, Kiowa, Shoshone, Mandan, and many others, numbered up to one million, and the buffalo as many as 80 million before their slaughter by the Europeans.
Further east, in the lands stretching from the Great Lakes to the Atlantic coast, live(d) hunting, fishing, and farming peoples; the Kanienkehake (Mohawks), Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca (these five nations formed the Haudenosaunee -- the People of the Longhouse -- also known as the Iroquois Confederacy), Ojibway, Algonkin, Micmac, Wendat (Huron), Potowatomi, Tuscarora, and others. In this woodland region, stretching from Ontario, Quebec, and New York, down to the Carolinas, lived up to two million peoples.
South of this area, from parts of the Virginias down to Florida, west of the Gulf of Mexico including Mississippi and Louisiana, live(d) The Muskogee-speaking Choctaw, Creek, and Chikasaw, the Cherokee, Natchez, Tonkawa, Atakapa, and others. One of the most fertile agricultural belts in the world, farming was well established supplemented by hunting and fishing. These peoples numbered between two and three million.
East of this area, in the south-western United States, extending down to northern Mexico and California, live(d) agrarian and nomadic peoples; the Pueblo, Hopi, Zuni, the Yumun-speaking Hualapai, Mojave, Yuma, and Cocopa, the Uto-Aztecan speaking Pimas and Papagos, and the Athapascans consisting of the Navajo (Dine) and Apache peoples. These peoples, altogether, numbered about two million.
In the Mesoamerican region, including Mexico, Guatemala and Belize, live(d) the numerous agricultural peoples, whose primary staple was maize; the Aztecs, Texacoco, Tlacopan, and the Mayans -- in the Yucatan peninsula. Here, large city-states with stone and brick buildings and pyramids, as well as extensive agrarian waterways consisting of dams and canals were built. Written languages were published in books, and the study of astronomy and mathematics was well established. A calendar system more accurate than any in Europe during the 15th century was developed. Altogether, these peoples numbered around 30-40 million.
In the Caribbean basin, including the coastal areas of Columbia, Venezuela, Costa Rica, Honduras, and the many small islands such as Cuba, Hispaniola, Puerto Rico etc., live(d) hunting, fishing, and agrarian peoples such as the Carib, Arawak, Warao, Yukpa, Paujanos, and others. These peoples numbered around five million.
In all of South America there were as many as 40-50 million peoples.
In the Andean highlands of Peru and Chile live(d) the Inca peoples, comprised of the Quechua and Aymara. In the south of Chile live(d) the Mapuche, and in the lowland regions -- including the Amazon region -- live(d) the Yanomami, Gavioe, Txukahame, Kreen, Akarore, and others. South of the Amazon region, in Argentina, Paraguay, and Uruguay, live(d) the Ayoreo, Ache, Mataco, Guarani, and many others. In the southernmost lands live(d) the Qawasgar, Selk'nam, Onu, and others. With a few exceptions, the First Nations were classless and communitarian societies, with strong matrilineal features. The political sphere of Indigenous life was not dominated by men, but in many cases the responsibility of women. Elders held a position of importance and honour for their knowledge. There were no prisons, for the First Nations peoples had well developed methods of resolving community problems, and there was -- from the accounts of elders -- very little in anti-social crime. Community decisions were most frequently made by consensus and discussions amongst the people.

born invincible
06-08-2006, 02:45 PM
interesting post... its sad actually. peace and props and respect X!!!

Wamukota X
06-14-2006, 07:38 AM
Why We Oppose Columbus Day FAQ
From Transform Columbus Day Site (http://www.transformcolumbusday.org/faqtcd.html)

1. Question: What's Wrong with Christopher Columbus?

Answer: We've all been lied to about Columbus. Before Columbus sailed the Atlantic, he was a slave trader for the Portuguese, transporting West African people to Portugal to be sold as slaves. Columbus initiated the first Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Columbus, his brother, and his son all continued slave trading of indigenous peoples from the Americas to Europe and from Africa to the Caribbean. Under his administration as viceroy and governor of the Caribbean Islands, 8 million people were killed, making his "contribution" to history the first mass genocide of indigenous peoples. The Columbus legacy is steeped in blood, violence, and death. Public holidays celebrating Columbus not only teach children to honor a cruel and brutal man, they encourage people in this society to ignore, look away, and even support racist practices embedded in today's economic, political and judicial systems.

2. Question: Aren't these accounts of Columbus an exaggerated revision of history?

Answer: No. By conservative accounts based on Spanish surveys, the Taino numbered as many as 8 million in 1493. [Source: Cook and Woodrow, Essays in Population History, Vol. 1, Chapter VI, (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1971, cited in Churchill].

During Columbus' tenure as "viceroy and governor" of the Caribbean Islands and the American mainland from 1493 until 1500, he instituted policies of slavery (encomienda) and the systematic murder and rape of the Taino population. Dominican priest, Bartolome de Las Casas was the first European historian in the Americas. He was an eyewitness and wrote in painful detail of the tortures he witnessed. In a survey conducted in 1496, he estimated that over 5 million people had been exterminated within the first three years of the Columbus rule. [Actual survey conducted in 1496 by Bartolome de Las Casas, cited in J.B. Thatcher, Christopher Columbus, Vol. 2 [Source: New York: Putnam Sons Publishers, 1903-1904), p. 348ff. cited in Churchill.] Later accounts that gloss over the horrors of the Columbus regime are the revisions of history.

By the time of Columbus' departure, only 100,000 Taino were left, and by 1542, only 200 were left. Within the entire Caribbean Islands, about 15 million indigenous people are estimated to have been exterminated within one generation of Columbus' arrival. This is genocide, the wholesale killing of an entire race of people. These policies, established here, laid the foundation for extermination policies that Europeans used to justify the elimination of over 100 million native people throughout the Western Hemisphere. By any standards those numbers describe a Holocaust. (go to top)

3. Question: Wasn't Columbus just a product of his times? Is it not unfair to judge a 15th Century man by 21st Century standards?

Answer: To view Columbus as violent and racist is not an imposition of 21st century morality. His own diaries reveal his brutality -- a brutality that offered no fair judgment to his victims. Bartolome de Las Casas began his days in the Americas as a beneficiary of the encomienda (slave-holding) system. However, as he watched the horror of human destruction caused as a result of Columbus' actions and decisions, as well as the actions of the soldiers under Columbus' command, De Las Casas repudiated the system. He described in vivid detail the massacre of the Indians, denounced Columbus, and published his findings in Europe in his History of the Indies.

The violence of Columbus' extermination actions was widely debated in theological and academic circles within Europe. European legal and moral principles tended to favor the rights of indigenous peoples to be free from unjustified invasion, murder and pillage by Europeans. Francisco de Vitoria, professor at the University of Salamanca in the early 1500s and often considered the father of modern international law, wrote extensively on the rights of indigenous peoples. Vitoria and others in Columbus' own lifetime rejected the view that popes and monarchs had the automatic right to enslave indigenous peoples and take their land. The rights of human beings were as much 15th Century issues then, as they are 21st Century issues today.

4. Question: But those events happened a long time ago. How could they possibly matter today?

Answer: Columbus' actions set the foundation for legal and social policies -- still used today in United States, Mexico, Canada, South America and in many countries around the world. These policies justify the theft and destruction of indigenous peoples' lands and knowledge by corporate and government interests. Media, films, judicial systems, educational systems, and other political and social institutions support this continued assault on the natural resources of indigenous peoples. Indigenous peoples today remain at the margins of technological society -- struggling to overcome the destruction of land, culture and language. In many ways all peoples on this planet are impacted. These attacks on indigenous peoples and their land and their knowledge contribute to the destruction of ecosystems and the erosion of human rights for all people.

5. Question: What does this history of Columbus have to do with protesting the Columbus Day parade?

Answer: From the actions and words of the parade organizers over the years, it is clear that the parade represents more than a celebration of Italian culture, or even of Columbus, the man. It is a glorification of the colonial tradition described above and the privileging of an Italian past that benefited and grew out of that process of subjugation. Moreover, in its celebration it is intended to serve as a reminder of that past, to convey that the genocide for which Columbus was personally responsible is an acceptable cost for the extension of western civilization. If the parade was truly intended to "celebrate" Italian heritage, why begin with Columbus? Why not simply call it the "Italian Heritage Parade?"

Surely, the organizers would draw a wider audience and reflect a broader and more accurate view of Italian culture. However, neither the title nor the actions of the organizers are accidental. Both are intended to convey what the parade organizers find valuable in their interpretation of the Italian American experience; namely, the legacy of racial superiority, conquest, and domination epitomized by Columbus. The Columbus parade is the ultimate opportunity for the parade organizers to champion the invasion of the America's, thereby avoiding any personal or collective responsibility for the genocide that began under Columbus, and that continues today. We can find nothing of value in cultural celebration that elevate the pride of one group by demeaning and disrespecting another. When we allow a parade in honor of Columbus to take place without objection, we are tacitly supporting those values that celebrate subjugation, and we are suggesting that such a parade represents all of our interests. In opposing the Columbus Day parade, we refuse to accept or enable those values and we maintain that our resources, time, and energy, are better invested in expressions of good will, mutual respect, and building collective dignity. (go to top)

6. Question: Doesn't the first amendment protect the right of the Italian organizers to have their parade?

Answer: To be clear, we support and defend the rights granted to all of us by virtue of the first amendment. We strongly affirm the right of all people to create a marketplace of ideas that stimulates and strengthens democracy.

However, we do not accept hate speech, and more specifically, the state-sponsored celebration of Columbus as a valid expression of this right. In particular, the first amendment cannot, and should not, be applied in a capricious or uncritical manner in all circumstances. Doing so overlooks the very real inequalities of power which surround us. These unequal positions of power affect our abilities to access, express, defend and assert our rights (such as the first amendment). What's more they affect the degree to which our expressions are heard, the authority they carry, and the manner in which they impact our society. For example, we would never accept the argument that a slave's actual right to object to slavery was ever equal to the slaveholder's verbal defense of slavery. Similarly, we would not accept that a woman in a hostile work environment possesses an equal ability to exercise free speech with the corporate CEO who is sexually harassing her. As such, it is erroneous to suggest that we all have equal access to the First Amendment.

An absolutist view of the First Amendment ignores the inequalities in political and social power that translates to an imbalance in the application and access of the first amendment. Over the years, we have accepted numerous restrictions on pure speech as a means to correct for the imbalance of power that can take place when the first amendment is arbitrarily applied. For example, we accept limitations on pure speech when it is used to abuse young children, we accept limitations on speech when it is used to threaten or incite danger, and we accept restrictions on pure speech when it is used to sexually or racially harass co-workers.

In addition, we no longer accept signs that read "Whites Only," because we know that the sign is not only about speech, but about the power that historically accompanied that message. In short, we've accepted these restrictions with the knowledge that unlimited pure speech coupled with unequal access to power ensures inevitable harm. One very important instance in which the U.S. played an instrumental role in the justifiable limitation of speech was the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal following World War II. Julius Streicher was tried, convicted, and executed after being prosecuted by Robert Jackson, associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Streicher's crimes were considered so horrendous that they were termed "crimes against humanity." To first amendment absolutists, Streicher should have gone free, but Justice Jackson and the other members of the Tribunal decided that Streicher 's role as a Nazi propagandist - promoting, inciting, and supporting the extermination of Jews, gays, gypsies, and others- was not and should not be protected speech, even though it was pure speech. Subsequently, international law as reflected in the Genocide Convention, made the promotion, advocacy, or incitement to genocide an international crime. We believe that Columbus Day justifies, promotes, and extends genocidal sentiments and policies against indigenous peoples in the Americas and around the world.

Just as apartheid was denounced by the international community as an unacceptable ideology of racial superiority in South Africa, so should Columbus Day and Columbus celebrations be condemned as the advancement of racial supremacy because they celebrate the destruction of indigenous peoples. In addition, the speech we are discussing in the case of the Columbus Day parade constitutes a combination of pure speech, symbolic speech, and behavior. Because of the potential for harm in this type of speech (because it represents conduct combined with speech) this type of expression has always been subject to greater scrutiny. As such, we see no contradiction or undue burden in having the Columbus Day parade closely scrutinized. In fact, the Columbus Day parade or celebrations of the holiday warrant even closer inspection as they involve state sponsored actions. When the city and state involve themselves in condoning and protecting the parade they purport to act on behalf of all of us, and as such their actions take on greater authority.

Finally a blind application of the first amendment is ultimately problematic because it creates a conflict with other rights granted to us through the constitution. Specifically, the 14th amendment provides us with "equal protection under the law," and protection of our life, liberty, and property via due process, rights that ensure us freedom from hate speech and other types of harassment. While we don't suggest that one amendment be supplanted for another, we object to any conflict between these rights automatically being decided in favor of those in the dominating position. As such, we reject that claims to freedom of speech on behalf of the parade organizers should supercede our freedom to protest, our right to live free from harassment and intimidation, and the desire of people to create a mutually respectful community. (go to top)


7. Scholarship: Columbus Should be Rejected as a National Hero

"The policy and acts of Columbus for which he alone was responsible began the depopulation of the terrestrial paradise that was Hispaniola in 1492…one third were killed off between 1494 and 1496." (emphasis added)
- Samuel Eliot Morrison, Admiral of the Ocean Sea: A Life of Christopher Columbus (NY: Little, Brown and Co, 1942). pp 492-493

"The two leading researchers here, Sherburne Cook and Woodrow Borah of the University of California at Berkeley have calculated the population decline [of the island of Hispaniola] after 1496,…with an estimate of the original island population of just under 8 million. [The population declined] from 8 million to 28,000 in just over twenty years. That…is a carnage of more than 99 percent, something we must call closer to a genocide."
- Kirkpatrick Sale, The Conquest of Paradise: Christopher Columbus and the Columbian Legacy (NY: Plume Books, 1991). pp. 160-161.

"The Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against [the Indians]. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged, nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughterhouse. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword could split a man in two or could cut off his head…They took infants from their mothers' breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them headfirst against the crags***They made some low, wide gallows on which the hanged victim's feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims, in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive."
- Bartolome' de Las Casas, The Devastation of the Indies: A Brief Account (originally published in 1547) reprinted by Johns Hopkins Press, 1992. pp. 42-45. Las Casas was a Dominican priest, the first European historian in the Americas.

"Columbus proceeded to establish a slave trade with the inhabitants of Hispaniola. And this after he had declared time and time again that the Tainos were the kindest, most peaceful and generous people in the world…But now [Columbus] resorted to the monstrous expedient of sending hundreds of the wretched creatures overseas to the slave mart of Seville."
- Morrison, Admiral of the Ocean Sea (see above), pp. 486-487.

©2004 Transform Columbus Day Alliance
09/28/2004

Gawd
06-14-2006, 12:21 PM
We kicked everyones butts off of this land fair and square. You don't like? Then get an Army and fight us Sir. Now, after we kicked everyones butts and became a Nation we made laws. And over the years we fought many wars and created many laws. Some of our Laws are immigration laws. And they need to be revamped yes. But until then they need to be followed and recognized as the Law of the Land. So until Mexico's Army, or The Native American Wino Army, or the Indigenous Army invades and conquers the US you can all eat my dick. Everyone has conquered land. The Indians fought wars and took territory from each other long before the white man arrived. So don't be a sore looser. Get in line, do it right and come live with us in the USA.

Wamukota X
06-14-2006, 01:07 PM
We kicked everyones butts off of this land fair and square. You don't like? Then get an Army and fight us Sir. Now, after we kicked everyones butts and became a Nation we made laws. And over the years we fought many wars and created many laws. Some of our Laws are immigration laws. And they need to be revamped yes. But until then they need to be followed and recognized as the Law of the Land. So until Mexico's Army, or The Native American Wino Army, or the Indigenous Army invades and conquers the US you can all eat my dick. Everyone has conquered land. The Indians fought wars and took territory from each other long before the white man arrived. So don't be a sore looser. Get in line, do it right and come live with us in the USA.


You and your people didn't just kick everyones butts as you say, You all just started murdering people for no apparent reason. Land was not viewed as individual property until Your people came. The Native Americans fought wars, of course but they didn't murder the entire half of a continent. I'm not a sore loser at all, I am just defending my people like you evidently feel the need to do by posting this defense for your murderous, blood thirsty people.

JASPER
06-14-2006, 02:43 PM
There were no laws in Injunland back then, so it never was illegal. Ponder that.

Wamukota X
06-14-2006, 03:23 PM
There were no laws in Injunland back then, so it never was illegal. Ponder that.


Their is nothing to ponder. You are just trying to justify murder and defend murderers. When was murder of another human being legal? You may have a point, murder was justified for Savages. That goes against God's law. God's law is Supreme to any of man's laws. What is "Injunland"? That's ignorant and disrespectful.

Gawd
06-14-2006, 04:22 PM
You and your people didn't just kick everyones butts as you say, You all just started murdering people for no apparent reason. Land was not viewed as individual property until Your people came. The Native Americans fought wars, of course but they didn't murder the entire half of a continent. I'm not a sore loser at all, I am just defending my people like you evidently feel the need to do by posting this defense for your murderous, blood thirsty people.

There was still territory. And we didnt kill for no reason. We killed for what we have today. Im sorry but nothing you say or do is going to change that. We nopw are in possesion of the land. So we get to do with it what we feel and allow in who we want. YOu can try and portrait us as blood thirsty monsters that have done nothing good for this land for the past 400 years. But the good outweighs the bad. And again if you dont like it then too bad for you. Get you army together and lets have a fight for the land again.

Gawd
06-14-2006, 04:24 PM
Their is nothing to ponder. You are just trying to justify murder and defend murderers. When was murder of another human being legal? You may have a point, murder was justified for Savages. That goes against God's law. God's law is Supreme to any of man's laws. What is "Injunland"? That's ignorant and disrespectful.

Dont like being called names? You can dish out the disrespect but you become a baby when its aimed at you. Fucking liberal hippy.

Wamukota X
06-14-2006, 04:30 PM
There was still territory. And we didnt kill for no reason. We killed for what we have today. Im sorry but nothing you say or do is going to change that. We nopw are in possesion of the land. So we get to do with it what we feel and allow in who we want. YOu can try and portrait us as blood thirsty monsters that have done nothing good for this land for the past 400 years. But the good outweighs the bad. And again if you dont like it then too bad for you. Get you army together and lets have a fight for the land again.


You don't know your own history. Your people have always murdered for no reason. Of course we can't change was has already taken place. I am not portraiting your people as blood thirsty monsters that has been done hundreds of years ago.

Gawd
06-14-2006, 04:35 PM
You don't know your own history. Your people have always murdered for now reason. Oh course we can't change was has already taken place. I am not portraiting your people as blood thirsty monsters that has done hundreds of years ago.

You are attemtping to make us look that way. Look at the 1st part of your shitty statement. YOu say we kill for no reason. I say we've killed for what we have today. Your ppl fought wars with us and lost. So why are you complaining now?

JASPER
06-14-2006, 04:39 PM
Their is nothing to ponder. You are just trying to justify murder and defend murderers. When was murder of another human being legal? You may have a point, murder was justified for Savages. That goes against God's law. God's law is Supreme to any of man's laws. What is "Injunland"? That's ignorant and disrespectful.No I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm just pointing out some flaws in your and other peoples thinking.

Muslimah
06-15-2006, 04:48 AM
You are attemtping to make us look that way. Look at the 1st part of your shitty statement. YOu say we kill for no reason. I say we've killed for what we have today. Your ppl fought wars with us and lost. So why are you complaining now?

What America has now? And what exactly does America, or in fact the entire colonised world have for that matter?

We have environmental degradation and the depletion of our natural resources. As a result wars continue to be waged and the innocent continue to suffer. We have extreme divides between rich and poor, we have children watching as their mother is raped, and this is ALL in the pursuit of power.

Was it all worth it…? Was it really? Tell me IS it all worth it?

I guess it’s easy to say it is worth it when you don’t experience first hand the consequences of such actions.

But why don’t you go tell the child who shares a house with 10 other families, who has no food and is treated like as a non-citizen in their own country that it was all worth it? Why don’t you do that if you fell so strongly about it?

Is the loss of any innocent life worth what we have today? I’m not talking about half a civilization, clearly any person with a heart would realise that the genocide of millions across the world as a result of western colonialisation is not worth it…but what about the life of an single innocent human being?

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 07:23 AM
Dont like being called names? You can dish out the disrespect but you become a baby when its aimed at you. Fucking liberal hippy.


I am not dishing out disrespect. It is historically proven and you admit it yourself of the crimes your people have and continue to commit against all the darker people of the World. To call your people a Savage is just as good as their birth name. Don't worry there will be a war for not just this land but the entire planet and you and people that think like you will be wiped off the face of this Earth permanently. Don't get it twisted I'm no liberal and I'm no hippy. You got it twisted homeboy. You can call me whatever you want because I know what your future holds. You can call me whatever your little barbarous mind can conjure up. Since being uncivil is your forte, go satisfy your bloodlust and eat a raw bloody steak you blood thirsty savage.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 07:30 AM
You are attemtping to make us look that way. Look at the 1st part of your shitty statement. YOu say we kill for no reason. I say we've killed for what we have today. Your ppl fought wars with us and lost. So why are you complaining now?


I am not attempting to make you look like anything than what you are. You say your people killed for what they have today. If thats your excuse free all the murderers locked in today's prison. I am sure they had reasons to kill. You are not making any sense. You can't even have a Civilized discussion without using indecent language, but I guess you get that from your blood thirsty forefathers. I'm not complaining I'm just trying to bring some light to the history that you people have had hidden. Don't be ashamed of the truth admit it and move on.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 07:35 AM
No I'm not trying to justify anything. I'm just pointing out some flaws in your and other peoples thinking.


Don't avoid the question. Again here it is, When was murder of another human being legal? You can avoid this question all you want but we see no flaw in our thinking. The flaw is with you in your defense of murderous savages. You either don't know your own history or you are insidiously trying to deny the truth.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 07:40 AM
What America has now? And what exactly does America, or in fact the entire colonised world have for that matter?

We have environmental degradation and the depletion of our natural resources. As a result wars continue to be waged and the innocent continue to suffer. We have extreme divides between rich and poor, we have children watching as their mother is raped, and this is ALL in the pursuit of power.

Was it all worth it…? Was it really? Tell me IS it all worth it?

I guess it’s easy to say it is worth it when you don’t experience first hand the consequences of such actions.

But why don’t you go tell the child who shares a house with 10 other families, who has no food and is treated like as a non-citizen in their own country that it was all worth it? Why don’t you do that if you fell so strongly about it?

Is the loss of any innocent life worth what we have today? I’m not talking about half a civilization, clearly any person with a heart would realise that the genocide of millions across the world as a result of western colonialisation is not worth it…but what about the life of an single innocent human being?

Excellent words. But the Blood thirsty savage you are talking to will not understand.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 10:40 AM
What the fuck do you want? An apology? fucking Money? This is our land now. So fuck off if you dont like it. IT IS OUR LAND NOW. TAKE IT BACK IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY WE DO SHIT OR RUN FOR OFFICE AND STOP BEING A PUSSY WHINNY LIBERAL HUGA TREE DUMB FUCK BECAUSE IT IS NOT DOING YOUR PPL THAT I KILLED ANY GOOD.

And please ask your drunk native friends to stop littering my downtown area parking lots with their fucking beer bottles and dead indian hookers.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 10:49 AM
What America has now? And what exactly does America, or in fact the entire colonised world have for that matter?

We have environmental degradation and the depletion of our natural resources. As a result wars continue to be waged and the innocent continue to suffer. We have extreme divides between rich and poor, we have children watching as their mother is raped, and this is ALL in the pursuit of power.

Was it all worth it…? Was it really? Tell me IS it all worth it?

I guess it’s easy to say it is worth it when you don’t experience first hand the consequences of such actions.

But why don’t you go tell the child who shares a house with 10 other families, who has no food and is treated like as a non-citizen in their own country that it was all worth it? Why don’t you do that if you fell so strongly about it?

Is the loss of any innocent life worth what we have today? I’m not talking about half a civilization, clearly any person with a heart would realise that the genocide of millions across the world as a result of western colonialisation is not worth it…but what about the life of an single innocent human being?

I love it that you Muslims blame every one of your problems on the USA and the West. If you do not like the way your leaders treat you or if you are dying atthe hands of your leaders then organize and turn your weapons on them and form a new government. We did it in the 1700's why cant you do it now? Stop blaming your problems on me and my ppl ....grow the fuck up.


PS it was worth it.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 10:52 AM
I am not attempting to make you look like anything than what you are. You say your people killed for what they have today. If thats your excuse free all the murderers locked in today's prison. I am sure they had reasons to kill. You are not making any sense. You can't even have a Civilized discussion without using indecent language, but I guess you get that from your blood thirsty forefathers. I'm not complaining I'm just trying to bring some light to the history that you people have had hidden. Don't be ashamed of the truth admit it and move on.

cry me a fucking river .................^^^ boohoo boohoo.......You like the internet and pc that you are using? Oh shit colonial America and the Jap empire invented these things and you are using and buying them. You support corp America just like the rest of us.

Big Risk
06-15-2006, 11:23 AM
To Ed.
Take back the land? Nah, how bout we beat faggots like you down till we feel better you prick

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 11:33 AM
What the fuck do you want? An apology? fucking Money? This is our land now. So fuck off if you dont like it. IT IS OUR LAND NOW. TAKE IT BACK IF YOU DONT LIKE THE WAY WE DO SHIT OR RUN FOR OFFICE AND STOP BEING A PUSSY WHINNY LIBERAL HUGA TREE DUMB FUCK BECAUSE IT IS NOT DOING YOUR PPL THAT I KILLED ANY GOOD.

And please ask your drunk native friends to stop littering my downtown area parking lots with their fucking beer bottles and dead indian hookers.


Listen DEVIL, I see this conversation is going nowhere. You have proven to be uncivilized and lack any intelligence to communicate effectively without using profanity, so I will leave you to spit, utter, and mumble your nonsense to yourself.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 12:50 PM
Don't avoid the question. Again here it is, When was murder of another human being legal? You can avoid this question all you want but we see no flaw in our thinking. The flaw is with you in your defense of murderous savages. You either don't know your own history or you are insidiously trying to deny the truth.I didn't feel like that was relevant, but if you insist...

It was legal back when the Indians were murdered as there were no laws. It really is that simple. The flaw is in the thread title and in some of the posts here of people who forgot to realize these were different times and there was no law against colonialism. Maybe the Indians also had to murder other people before they came to what we now call America. In those times, stealing land and killing it's inhabitants was very common, all over the World.

Still, I'm not defending any murders or genocide. I simply don't care about some bitching Injun sympathizers, I only wanted to point out that it wasn't illegal as the thread title states. Also, it's not my history as I'm not American, way to be prejudiced.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 01:05 PM
To Ed.
Take back the land? Nah, how bout we beat faggots like you down till we feel better you prick

haha....get your army. take back the land and if you see me ( my sig ) around then do your thang.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 01:09 PM
Listen DEVIL, I see this conversation is going nowhere. You have proven to be uncivilized and lack any intelligence to communicate effectively without using profanity, so I will leave you to spit, utter, and mumble your nonsense to yourself.

KTHX..........Your arguement was very 1 sided. Your calling for us to admit of wrong doings in the past. Yes we did bad things in the past. So what? so what now? Do you feel better? Native Americans lost the wars. Now we control the land. What now? Native Americans recieve checks from the federal government. Tell your ppl not to cash them , to send them back. You'll talk shite here but if you are Native and live on a res then your whole fam is cashing in. Dont like the USA? Dont cash our checks.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 01:17 PM
It was legal back when the Indians were murdered as there were no laws.


This is very relevant if you say the title of this thread is flawed. You have no justification for your accusations. You must be sick. So you are saying murder was legal because some European didn't make it illegal yet. Your entire post is flawed and full of deceitful statements. It is fine to murder Native Americans and blacks until some Europeans make a law. That is a White Supremist, Hitler type mentality. I'd rather sympathize with the Original peoples of the Earth than some Murderous Devils.

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-15-2006, 01:18 PM
KTHX..........Your arguement was very 1 sided. Your calling for us to admit of wrong doings in the past. Yes we did bad things in the past. So what? so what now? Do you feel better? Native Americans lost the wars. Now we control the land. What now? Native Americans recieve checks from the federal government. Tell your ppl not to cash them , to send them back. You'll talk shite here but if you are Native and live on a res then your whole fam is cashing in. Dont like the USA? Dont cash our checks.
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WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING RETARDED CANNIBALS?
Fuck Amerika its STOLEN land, not land that was fought for. Did you miss the point about smallpox and how Cave dwellers would have never defeated great Warriors without trickery and disease. Your very ignorant Little Ed

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-15-2006, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by akabobbyd
LOL at this Ed character...http://www.muskabeatz.com/Featuring/Ed/EdPage.data_/images/EdPage_02.gif

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 01:26 PM
KTHX..........Your arguement was very 1 sided. Your calling for us to admit of wrong doings in the past. Yes we did bad things in the past. So what? so what now? Do you feel better? Native Americans lost the wars. Now we control the land. What now? Native Americans recieve checks from the federal government. Tell your ppl not to cash them , to send them back. You'll talk shite here but if you are Native and live on a res then your whole fam is cashing in. Dont like the USA? Dont cash our checks.


I am not asking for anything from you or your people. I don't receive nothing and none of people receive anything and that is fine for the moment. Your right my arguement is One sided, it sides on the Truth which is embodied with Freedom, Justice, and Equality. You are the total opposite, you side with Falsehood and Murderous Devils. Don't worry yourself about some wars and people taking the land and this entire Planet. Your peoples Lease is up and the collection has already started but with all that blood in your lustful eyes you can't see it.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 01:33 PM
This is very relevant if you say the title of this thread is flawed. You have no justification for your accusations. You must be sick. So you are saying murder was legal because some European didn't make it illegal yet. Your entire post is flawed and full of deceitful statements. It is fine to murder Native Americans and blacks until some Europeans make a law. That is a White Supremist, Hitler type mentality. I'd rather sympathize with the Original peoples of the Earth than some Murderous Devils. I felt your point finger questions were irrelevant. Who's making accusations? Not me. And yes, I'm saying murder was legal IN INJUN LAND, not Europe. There was no law against colonialism anywhere, as I said before. That alone makes my original point true and undeniable.

You seem to make me out to be a racist person, but you do need to realize it wasn't just Europeans murdering entire nations and tribes, all over the World this happened. And in some African countries this is still happening.

See, you're losing an arguement because you can't think straight with all that anger. At least, that's the kind of impression you give me.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 02:13 PM
I felt your point finger questions were irrelevant. Who's making accusations? Not me. And yes, I'm saying murder was legal IN INJUN LAND, not Europe. There was no law against colonialism anywhere, as I said before. That alone makes my original point true and undeniable.

You seem to make me out to be a racist person, but you do need to realize it wasn't just Europeans murdering entire nations and tribes, all over the World this happened. And in some African countries this is still happening.

See, you're losing an arguement because you can't think straight with all that anger. At least, that's the kind of impression you give me.


Wrong impression. As I said before God's Law is Supreme to man's Law. Murder is murder but because a European didn't say it, than its ok. White Supremist. Yes, this was happening all over the Globe but who was committing these acts? Europeans. European colonialism conquered the entire continent of Africa this was called the Partition of Africa, where even more murders and rape took place. And yes the Europeans were to only ones spreading murder throughout the Planet. Nowhere in history can you find such acts that have taken place on this planet. You don't get it. There were natural God given rights that everyone on the Planet lived by, except Europeans. According to you, if some Aliens came to Earth and wanted to colonized the entire planet and kill off all inhabitants they would be justified under their Crab Nebula colonial laws.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 02:29 PM
And yes, I'm saying murder was legal IN INJUN LAND, not Europe.


You completely disregard Tribal laws and customs and we already discussed God's law. That is complete arrogance.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 02:31 PM
You keep using the word 'justified', but nowhere I'm saying these things are justified. I'm not excusing the violent colonialising but you're pretending I somewhere said I am. Stop that.

Before Europeans even stept feet on foreign soil, people were killing eachother for land all over the globe. Europeans didn't spread murder anywhere, murder was invented way before the wheel.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 02:34 PM
You completely disregard Tribal laws and customs and we already discussed God's law. That is complete arrogance.Laws didn't apply back then, especialy no 'tribal laws'. Gods law? Christians are hypocrits, everyone knows that.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 02:41 PM
There were no laws in Injunland back then, so it never was illegal. Ponder that.


This sentence alone implies that you were trying to justify the murder, rape, pillage, and everything else that took place.


Laws didn't apply back then, especialy no 'tribal laws'. Gods law? Christians are hypocrits, everyone knows that.


You are talking in circles now. Laws don't apply now that you had time to rethink your statement. Who said anything about Christians? You have some preconceived ideas that you need to deal with, that Hitler mentality is clouding your judgement.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 03:01 PM
This sentence alone implies that you were trying to justify the murder, rape, pillage, and everything else that took place.





You are talking in circles now. Laws don't apply now that you had time to rethink your statement. Who said anything about Christians? You have some preconceived ideas that you need to deal with, that Hitler mentality is clouding your judgement.There's a difference between justifying something and stating something isn't against the law. I must keep repeating myself it seems and I'll say it once more; There wasn't a law against colonialising and no arguement of yours changed this fact. You're fragmenting the whole discussion and you keep arguing against things I haven't said.

You can stop comparing me to Hitler now as, like I stated before, I'm not a racist and I'm not justifying genocide. Maybe it's hard to grasp for you, but no all whites are racist. Keep your prejudice thoughts to yourself.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 03:16 PM
There wasn't a law against colonialising and no arguement of yours changed this fact. .


You keep repeating yourself and I do likewise. This is going nowhere. You keep saying that colonization was not illegal becuase the Europeans didn't declare it and the Tribal Laws did not matter. So who decides what Law is valid or invalid? According to you, European Law dominates. That alone is suspect.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 03:46 PM
I give up. Although it's highly unlikely the Indians had laws, I cannot prove it.

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Exactly.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 03:54 PM
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING RETARDED CANNIBALS?
Fuck Amerika its STOLEN land, not land that was fought for. Did you miss the point about smallpox and how Cave dwellers would have never defeated great Warriors without trickery and disease. Your very ignorant Little Ed

Retarded Cannibals? As in whom? Fuck America? Get off the American Invented internets then faggatron. Fuck America? Do not buy any of our products then. If you hate us so much then seperate your entire life and finnaces away from us blood thirsty white men.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 03:55 PM
I am not asking for anything from you or your people. I don't receive nothing and none of people receive anything and that is fine for the moment. Your right my arguement is One sided, it sides on the Truth which is embodied with Freedom, Justice, and Equality. You are the total opposite, you side with Falsehood and Murderous Devils. Don't worry yourself about some wars and people taking the land and this entire Planet. Your peoples Lease is up and the collection has already started but with all that blood in your lustful eyes you can't see it.

Our Lease is up? Bwuahahahahahahaha. Weve only begun to murder, rob and rape......get in line we may have to do it to your peeps again.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by akabobbyd
LOL at this Ed character...http://www.muskabeatz.com/Featuring/Ed/EdPage.data_/images/EdPage_02.gif


look at my sig....do I look like the guatamalen wetback that is in that pic?

Wamukota X
06-15-2006, 04:15 PM
Our Lease is up? Bwuahahahahahahaha. Weve only begun to murder, rob and rape......get in line we may have to do it to your peeps again.


Whatever yo.

Big Risk
06-15-2006, 05:28 PM
Jasper, you are racist prick and keep failing to realize that the tribal laws were set and were laws NEEDING to be followed by because it was THEIR LAND. One being that stealing is wrong. The Europeans STOLE LAND, MURDERED, POSIONED AND RAPED their people. Thats like Natives taking over today, Ed, you would feel robbed.

You dumb fucks lack the part of your brain to see it from the small mans side. Youre racist and mind fucked by this pride bullshit.

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-15-2006, 05:34 PM
look at my sig....do I look like the guatamalen wetback that is in that pic?
No. That was a joke that you turned into more senseless hate. Yeah Fuck Amerika and fat ignorant white people too! You live in Arizona? I don´t believe that

JASPER
06-15-2006, 05:43 PM
Jasper, you are racist prick and keep failing to realize that the tribal laws were set and were laws NEEDING to be followed by because it was THEIR LAND. One being that stealing is wrong. The Europeans STOLE LAND, MURDERED, POSIONED AND RAPED their people. Thats like Natives taking over today, Ed, you would feel robbed.

You dumb fucks lack the part of your brain to see it from the small mans side. Youre racist and mind fucked by this pride bullshit.Just when I gave up on it, you had to come with some name calling again. For the last time, I'm not racist and nowhere in this topic I'm being racist.

You need to see this from a 15th century point of view, people of all races, skin colours etc were killing people for land. Mankind has been doing this for centuries. The Europeans were no different, except that they were better at it than others.

Realize, that I'm in no way trying to excuse murder, theft, rape etc. Just stop pretending Europeans were the only people doing this.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 05:54 PM
[RZA]
They say wisdom, is the wise words spoken
By a brother attemptin' to open
The graves, of these mentally dead slaves
Who've been lost on a cross, for decades
And centuries, lookin' for the liberty
But receive nothin', but misery
And hard times, and things of that nature
By the devil in a genocide caper
Little Boy Peep, has lost his sheep
But I found 'em, in a deep long sleep
Nine thousand miles away from home
Livin' the life of a modern-day Flintstone
We the people, supposed to be equal
But the men who wrote that, they was evil
Slave owners, who did not include us
They just used us, and abused us
First they trick you, then mentally kill you
And use technologies, to rebuild you
This whole plan was a perfect scam
See that's why they called it, the Six Million Dollar Man
Six is the limitation of the Devil
In the Million square miles of land that he settles
Put you in a three piece suit, give you loot
Chemicals in your head to make you look cute
They use you as a fool to deceive your own people
And fillin' my children head with pins and needles
But I'll take out the pins you inserted
And I'll avenge all my mothers that you murdered
And brutalized, by this modern form of slavery
To speak the truth it takes bravery
And no man could stop my flow
Because I know what I speak and I speak what I knowWord. Get the fuck outta here and go back to thecorsage.com. RZA says that you are devil...yo, I'm laughing at you and he's "insulting" you. Get the fuck outta here or go buy another concert ticket...haha.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 06:03 PM
There's a difference between enjoying good music and living by every lyric of a certain artist. I don't really see the point of your post, it just seems like a poor attempt at insulting me.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 06:04 PM
There's a difference between enjoying good music and living by every lyric of a certain artist. I don't really see the point of your post, it just seems like a poor attempt at insulting me.

Actually, it's just a very rich lyric...ain't nothing poor about it.

It came from his mouth...it was a giant Fuck you!

JASPER
06-15-2006, 06:12 PM
Your disrespectful words to me without provocation or grounds is evidence of a serious lack of character.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 06:17 PM
Your disrespectful words to me without provocation or grounds is evidence of a serious lack of character.
Fuck what you think! haha Your racist posts show a devil tryna hide. Get the fuck outta here!

JASPER
06-15-2006, 06:21 PM
What racist posts? Can't you act normal for a fucking second. Your devil talk makes me laugh, are you ultra religeous or something?

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 06:24 PM
What racist posts? Can't you act normal for a fucking second. Your devil talk makes me laugh, are you ultra religeous or something?

Get used to it, fool...You don't deserve to be treated with respect. You talk to much deviilish shit.

And if you don't understand, good. Fuck what you think. Google it.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 06:30 PM
You're such a hateful person, I pity you. But on the other hand I'm glad I'm not you.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 06:32 PM
You're such a hateful person, I pity you. But on the other hand I'm glad I'm not you.

If I was you I would kill myself.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 06:34 PM
Because you couldn't handle to be a real person instead of a shit talking DEVIL.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 06:35 PM
Because you couldn't handle to be a real person instead of a shit talking DEVIL.

If was you then I would be a devil and I would just kill myself.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 06:40 PM
give up jasper i been trying to get this through the heads of theese people tooif it was the other way around white people probably be calling blacks devils. somebody had to win. it just looks worse because the european polocies imposed in the new world are fucked. the elite are just trying to secure thier rule permantly. what yoda say? some shit like anger leads to jealousy and envy and that leads to hate. shit is true just read this thread.
people like aqua moon claim to be enlightened by the lessons or whatever , not just her other zealots but she is my example, but yet she propagets ignorance, guilt, fear, hate, and the lesser virtues of man and she does this believing the fact that it is divine

What are you saying? Do you really want the Black Man to inflict revenge on ya'll?

Man...you should be thanking your lucky stars that we just "argue" on message boards. If we were like you devils we would be going on murderous bloody rampages. Right here in Amerikkka....yea, we would be serial killing all slandering fucks like you.

But, we stay peace...so shut the fuck up.

JASPER
06-15-2006, 06:42 PM
give up jasper i been trying to get this through the heads of theese people tooif it was the other way around white people probably be calling blacks devils. somebody had to win. it just looks worse because the european polocies imposed in the new world are fucked. the elite are just trying to secure thier rule permantly. what yoda say? some shit like anger leads to jealousy and envy and that leads to hate. shit is true just read this thread.
people like aqua moon claim to be enlightened by the lessons or whatever , not just her other zealots but she is my example, but yet she propagets ignorance, guilt, fear, hate, and the lesser virtues of man and she does this believing the fact that it is divineAh she's one of those 5% dipshit bigots. It all makes sense now, we might as well stop bothering. It would be like trying to explain nucluear physics to a mentally challanged ape. A brainwashed ape I might say.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 06:47 PM
Ah she's one of those 5% dipshit bigots. It all makes sense now, we might as well stop bothering. It would be like trying to explain nucluear physics to a mentally challanged ape. A brainwashed ape I might say.

Brainwashed?...but, you are the one who enjoys music from a Blackman who calls you and everyone like you a devil!

HAAAHAHAAA

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 06:52 PM
lol the rza even said the NGE is bullshit so did erika badu

Wow...you really are brainwashed!

If they said that, that was just cause they wanted ya'll to buy more concert tickets and records.

HAAHAHAA

JASPER
06-15-2006, 06:52 PM
I'm openminded enough to enjoy music for what it is than to act like a subculture follower who lets others think for her...

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-15-2006, 06:52 PM
[quote=Aqueous Moon]

[RZA]
They say wisdom, is the wise words spoken
By a brother attemptin' to open
The graves, of these mentally dead slaves
Who've been lost on a cross, for decades
And centuries, lookin' for the liberty
But receive nothin', but misery
And hard times, and things of that nature
By the devil in a genocide caper
Little Boy Peep, has lost his sheep
But I found 'em, in a deep long sleep
Nine thousand miles away from home
Livin' the life of a modern-day Flintstone
We the people, supposed to be equal
But the men who wrote that, they was evil
Slave owners, who did not include us
They just used us, and abused us
First they trick you, then mentally kill you
And use technologies, to rebuild you
This whole plan was a perfect scam
See that's why they called it, the Six Million Dollar Man
Six is the limitation of the Devil
In the Million square miles of land that he settles
Put you in a three piece suit, give you loot
Chemicals in your head to make you look cute
They use you as a fool to deceive your own people
And fillin' my children head with pins and needles
But I'll take out the pins you inserted
And I'll avenge all my mothers that you murdered
And brutalized, by this modern form of slavery
To speak the truth it takes bravery
And no man could stop my flow
Because I know what I speak and I speak what I knowPeace
THATS TRUTH. I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BIRTH

Gawd
06-15-2006, 07:02 PM
What are you saying? Do you really want the Black Man to inflict revenge on ya'll?

Man...you should be thanking your lucky stars that we just "argue" on message boards. If we were like you devils we would be going on murderous bloody rampages. Right here in Amerikkka....yea, we would be serial killing all slandering fucks you.

But, we stay peace...so shut the fuck up.

I would welcome ethic violence in America....would make good use of my steelcore AP rounds........And to be honest with you I dont think anyone could organize an assault in the USA,,,,,welfare checks would get cut and then youd have to steal you ammo....haha

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 07:10 PM
he said since he got to travel the world all white people arent devils some shit like that

u can qoute his music but he still said that shit

and maybe he dont keep saying that so u buy his records and tickets

the four devils are lust greed hate and envy

aint that a lesson?

Your lesson would be to stay the fuck quiet while grown folks is talking.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 07:11 PM
I would welcome ethic violence in America....would make good use of my steelcore AP rounds........And to be honest with you I dont think anyone could organize an assault in the USA,,,,,welfare checks would get cut and then youd have to steal you ammo....haha

Haha my ass...does any intelligent devils have anything to say?? This fool is making ya'll look hella retarded.

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-15-2006, 07:13 PM
I would welcome ethic violence in America....would make good use of my steelcore AP rounds........And to be honest with you I dont think anyone could organize an assault in the USA,,,,,welfare checks would get cut and then youd have to steal you ammo....haha

Ed You are too ignorant to post here

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 07:16 PM
lol i thought so

i live in a nieghborhood full of jmb u cant bullshit me
i grew up around 5% im your worst nightmare

Who the fuck gave you permission to speak???

RZA said that you is a devil, and this is Wu Tang territory.

Naw, the black man doesn't die in this movie. haaahaha

Gawd
06-15-2006, 07:16 PM
Ed You are too ignorant to post here

Maybe so.......but violence and guns gets more done than you pussie farts bitching online...........

Gawd
06-15-2006, 07:17 PM
Haha my ass...does any intelligent devils have anything to say?? This fool is making ya'll look hella retarded.

Can you call me anything else but devil? that is getting old........use your imagination.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 07:19 PM
Can you call me anything else but devil? that is getting old........use your imagination.

See?...I told you he was making ya'll look retarded!

Ya'll should muzzle this idiot. lmao

Gawd
06-15-2006, 07:23 PM
See?...I told you he was making ya'll look retarded!

Ya'll should muzzle this idiot. lmao

Idiot is different. But I am getting you guys to reply so maybe you are the morons for even bothering with me. I could be a more intelligent poster but you guys are so locked in on your single minded thoughts that I am choosing to get a rise out of you. This thread was not intended to be a disc' thread. Rather a one sided ,I am right you are wrong thread. So why waste my true thoughts on it? I mean c'mon look at the thread title. This thread was desighned to cause e fighting and arguements rather than insight and real topical disc'.

Muslimah
06-15-2006, 08:13 PM
I love it that you Muslims blame every one of your problems on the USA and the West. If you do not like the way your leaders treat you or if you are dying atthe hands of your leaders then organize and turn your weapons on them and form a new government. We did it in the 1700's why cant you do it now? Stop blaming your problems on me and my ppl ....grow the fuck up.


PS it was worth it.

I was born a bred in Australia. I believe that makes my government the Australian government. Does it not?

As an Australian I believe that the invasion of this land through western colonialisation was wrong, not only did it kill many people at the time but also people continue to suffer as a result. Let me emphasise, that the continued treatment of the Native communities across the world is Inhumane.

I say this as a HUMAN BEING, as a concerned Individual who can see daily the product of injustice on people. The treatment of the Aboriginal communities in Australia is not acceptable, much like the treatment of the Native Americans. If you look at the trouble spots around the world you would see that they are all the product of western imperialist pursuits.

I am not saying that we can simply turn back time and change what has happened. I am not suggesting that we all pick up and leave, that our "lease is up". But we must acknowledge where we have gone wrong in our history, and realise that we cannot justify our wrongs. Worse then committing a wrong is to make excuses to justify it.

What I am suggesting however is that we recognise the history of the lands in which we now live. We recognise the blood that was shed and we recognise the injustice that was done and continues against the original inhabitants of these continents of ours. We must recognise the consequences of our actions, of our governments, of everything in which we do.

We must STOP treating these human beings as second class citizens and give them their rights.

There needs to be a radical change in the ways in which our societies are structured… Human beings need to be the priority, not the economic interests of the minority.

I thought that in a democracy it was our right to speak up in the face of wrong. I am sorry if you feel that voices achieve nothing, but I have more faith in humanity then that.

BTW, One last comment to leave you with...

My people consists of the entire Human race.

Peace

Gawd
06-15-2006, 08:43 PM
I was born a bred in Australia. I believe that makes my government the Australian government. Does it not?

As an Australian I believe that the invasion of this land through western colonialisation was wrong, not only did it kill many people at the time but also people continue to suffer as a result. Let me emphasise, that the continued treatment of the Native communities across the world is Inhumane.

I say this as a HUMAN BEING, as a concerned Individual who can see daily the product of injustice on people. The treatment of the Aboriginal communities in Australia is not acceptable, much like the treatment of the Native Americans. If you look at the trouble spots around the world you would see that they are all the product of western imperialist pursuits.

I am not saying that we can simply turn back time and change what has happened. I am not suggesting that we all pick up and leave, that our "lease is up". But we must acknowledge where we have gone wrong in our history, and realise that we cannot justify our wrongs. Worse then committing a wrong is to make excuses to justify it.

What I am suggesting however is that we recognise the history of the lands in which we now live. We recognise the blood that was shed and we recognise the injustice that was done and continues against the original inhabitants of these continents of ours. We must recognise the consequences of our actions, of our governments, of everything in which we do.

We must STOP treating these human beings as second class citizens and give them their rights.

There needs to be a radical change in the ways in which our societies are structured… Human beings need to be the priority, not the economic interests of the minority.

I thought that in a democracy it was our right to speak up in the face of wrong. I am sorry if you feel that voices achieve nothing, but I have more faith in humanity then that.

BTW, One last comment to leave you with...

My people consists of the entire Human race.

Peace

Condense....us devils cannot read such long statements. We can only bomb it.

Were you on the beaches getting rocked by the Aussies?

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 08:45 PM
Idiot is different. But I am getting you guys to reply so maybe you are the morons for even bothering with me. I could be a more intelligent poster but you guys are so locked in on your single minded thoughts that I am choosing to get a rise out of you. This thread was not intended to be a disc' thread. Rather a one sided ,I am right you are wrong thread. So why waste my true thoughts on it? I mean c'mon look at the thread title. This thread was desighned to cause e fighting and arguements rather than insight and real topical disc'.

Your not getting us to reply....you are just letting us make a fool out of you....smh....lmao.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 08:49 PM
Your not getting us to reply....you are just letting us make a fool out of you....smh....lmao.

yeah click the 'reply' button again.........And 1 more time keep the weak and unimaginative insults comin'.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 08:53 PM
haaahaaa. Check yo mamma!...your dick is still up in her.

Ya nasty mutha fucka!

Gawd
06-15-2006, 08:57 PM
haaahaaa. Check yo mamma!...your dick is still up in her.

Ya nasty mutha fucka!

Wow....call me intelligent. YOu have been requested in general disc'...there we can have our verbal spar.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 09:04 PM
Look, ya dumb ass idiot...fuck a spar.

Say something slanderous or get the fuck out. You are not doing your people any good. You are just embarasing them.

Gawd
06-15-2006, 09:21 PM
Look, ya dumb ass idiot...fuck a spar.

Say something slanderous or get the fuck out. You are not doing your people any good. You are just embarasing them.

My ppl? I could give a fuck about any1 except my friends and fam. Ive been slanderizzing yuos guys all day. That is what eD does.

Now......stay in general disc because i donot wish to derail this thread by destroying you with my harsh minded words and typed letters. The internets is no place for non humorous persons sush as yourself. Now engage in further e battle with me in the appropriate section.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 09:28 PM
My ppl? I could give a fuck about any1 except my friends and fam. Ive been slanderizzing yuos guys all day. That is what eD does.

Now......stay in general disc because i donot wish to derail this thread by destroying you with my harsh minded words and typed letters. The internets is no place for non humorous persons sush as yourself. Now engage in further e battle with me in the appropriate section.

No, I prefer to let you embarrass your own people in KTL. You shoulda neva come over here, ya dumb fuck.

Now, everybody see what a fucking stupid Devil you are. If they wanna laugh at you in gen chat, then watever....

You come over here and you get your head cut off.

You are a babbling idiot.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 09:30 PM
looks like a fair fight

And you the self procalimed judge, huh?

Fuck what your think...get your ass over to gen chat!

Gawd
06-15-2006, 09:31 PM
No, I prefer to let you embarrass your own people in KTL. You shoulda neva come over here, ya dumb fuck.

Now, everybody see what a fucking stupid Devil you are. If they wanna laugh at you in gen chat, then watever....

You come over here and you get your head cut off.

You are a babbling idiot.

Pot calling the kettle black............hmmm bad form.

Again I am getting a rise out of you. Again you cannot make me angry.

Aqueous Moon
06-15-2006, 09:34 PM
Nothing can make you angry!!!!!!

You are a devil!! You are a bloody murderous monster!!!

We already know all about you!

You were supposed to try and hide your true nature... ya dumb fuck!

Kephrem
06-16-2006, 08:04 AM
Originally Posted by Jasper1134

It was legal back when the Indians were murdered as there were no laws.


If one of them thinks like this today for a certainty there must be many more, and we know what alot of their grandfathers and great grandfathers thought, the cruel and inhumane sentiments of a perverse and wicked race.

Wamukota X
06-16-2006, 10:16 AM
give up jasper i been trying to get this through the heads of theese people tooif it was the other way around white people probably be calling blacks devils. somebody had to win. it just looks worse because the european polocies imposed in the new world are fucked. the elite are just trying to secure thier rule permantly. what yoda say? some shit like anger leads to jealousy and envy and that leads to hate. shit is true just read this thread.
people like aqua moon claim to be enlightened by the lessons or whatever , not just her other zealots but she is my example, but yet she propagets ignorance, guilt, fear, hate, and the lesser virtues of man and she does this believing the fact that it is divine


It was "the other way around" in the beginning. While Europe was in the Dark Ages Black Afrikans had established governments, societies, universities and other components of a civilized society. Pyramids and Temples were built not only in Africa but all over the Planet Earth while many Europeans lived in caves. This is not racist teaching, you can verify this by asking any Historian no matter what there color may be. Our Ancestors did not commit the acts that Europeans committed to every other person of color.

Wamukota X
06-16-2006, 11:02 AM
ok so what your saying is in order for human beings to prgress on this planet every injustice done to one person must be done t o another? everytime someone got killed or raped, someone else should get killed or raped in return?
i have to disagree with this. and this is a pefect example where the teachings of nge are wrong and hypocrtical...


Your are completely off base. That is not what I am saying and I am not a 5% for your information. I was merely stating that my ancestors existed for centuries in peace without bloody massacres of entire nations, simple as that.

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-16-2006, 05:33 PM
Peace

When President Bush attacked Iraq in 1991, claiming that he was acting to end the occupation of Kuwait, a group of Native Americans in Oregan distributed a biting and ironic "open letter":

Dear President Bush. Please send your assistance in freeing our small nation from occupation. This foriegn force occupied our lands to steal our rich resources. They used biological warfare and deceit, killing thousands of elders, children and women in the process. As they overwhelmed our land, they deposed our leaders and people of our own government, and in its place, they installed their own government systems that yet today control our daily lives in many ways. As in your own words, the occupation and overthrow of one small nation... is one too many. Sincerely, An American Indian.


A lot of people on this site have to wake up and face facts.

Gawd
06-16-2006, 07:07 PM
Peace

When President Bush attacked Iraq in 1991, claiming that he was acting to end the occupation of Kuwait, a group of Native Americans in Oregan distributed a biting and ironic "open letter":

Dear President Bush. Please send your assistance in freeing our small nation from occupation. This foriegn force occupied our lands to steal our rich resources. They used biological warfare and deceit, killing thousands of elders, children and women in the process. As they overwhelmed our land, they deposed our leaders and people of our own government, and in its place, they installed their own government systems that yet today control our daily lives in many ways. As in your own words, the occupation and overthrow of one small nation... is one too many. Sincerely, An American Indian.


A lot of people on this site have to wake up and face facts.

dood if we gave you your land back that we won fair and square you would drink it away. you lost the indian american wars man. wake up and face the facts.

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-16-2006, 07:30 PM
Yo Ed You should read Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee
its a good book:


http://www.amazon.com/covers/0/80/501/730/0805017305.m.gif
Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee was first published in the United States in 1970. This landmark book—which incorporated a number of eyewitness accounts and official records—offered a scathing indictment of the U.S. politicians, soldiers, and citizens who colonized the American West. Focusing mainly on the thirty-year span from 1860 to 1890, the book was the first account of the time period told from the Native-American point of view. It demonstrated that whites instigated the great majority of the conflicts between Native Americans and themselves. Brown began searching for the facts about Native Americans after he met several as a child and had a hard time believing the myths about their savagery that were popular among white people. Brown published his book a century after the events took place, but it was a timely publication, since many U.S. citizens were already feeling guilty about their country's involvement in the Vietnam War. Brown's book depicted, in detail, the U.S. government's attempt to acquire Native Americans' land by using a mix of threats, deception, and murder. In addition, the book showed the attempts to crush Native-American beliefs and practices. These acts were justified by the theory of Manifest Destiny, which stated that European descendents acting for the U.S. government had a God-given right to take land from the Native Americans. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee is Brown's best-known work and has since overshadowed all of his other books.

Gawd
06-16-2006, 07:51 PM
Yo Ed You should read Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee
its a good book:


http://www.amazon.com/covers/0/80/501/730/0805017305.m.gif
Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee was first published in the United States in 1970. This landmark book—which incorporated a number of eyewitness accounts and official records—offered a scathing indictment of the U.S. politicians, soldiers, and citizens who colonized the American West. Focusing mainly on the thirty-year span from 1860 to 1890, the book was the first account of the time period told from the Native-American point of view. It demonstrated that whites instigated the great majority of the conflicts between Native Americans and themselves. Brown began searching for the facts about Native Americans after he met several as a child and had a hard time believing the myths about their savagery that were popular among white people. Brown published his book a century after the events took place, but it was a timely publication, since many U.S. citizens were already feeling guilty about their country's involvement in the Vietnam War. Brown's book depicted, in detail, the U.S. government's attempt to acquire Native Americans' land by using a mix of threats, deception, and murder. In addition, the book showed the attempts to crush Native-American beliefs and practices. These acts were justified by the theory of Manifest Destiny, which stated that European descendents acting for the U.S. government had a God-given right to take land from the Native Americans. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee is Brown's best-known work and has since overshadowed all of his other books.

d00d im not stoopid.....I know all that bad shite happened. But complaining about it and holding bad feeling about it do not help any situation or emergency now. No one can change the past.

What do you expect to accomplish? What is it that you really want?

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-16-2006, 08:01 PM
Nah its cause you say you won somehing "fair and square" and now that you have admitted that "bad shite happened" You can be big enough to admit your wrong and their is no justification or escape from that truth of your ancestors wicked past. C´mon man I´m not complaining or nothing cause its not like that. But I do feel that times go in circles or spirals and you know reap what you sow is the truth.
"the harvest that you reap depends on the kind of seeds you sow"

Gawd
06-16-2006, 08:05 PM
Nah its cause you say you won somehing "fair and square" and now that you have admitted that "bad shite happened" You can be big enough to admit your wrong and their is no justification or escape from that truth of your ancestors wicked past. C´mon man I´m not complaining or nothing cause its not like that. But I do feel that times go in circles or spirals and you know reap what you sow is the truth.
"the harvest that you reap depends on the kind of seeds you sow"

This doesnt explain what you want or what you are trying to accomplish

aismani
06-16-2006, 08:55 PM
So i guess african kingdoms never went at war with each other and were cultural and technical superior- that must be the reason why the overwhelmingly superior black race could never been slaved and colonialized by foreign invaders and for sure not by cave dwellin white monkeys,right?aaahhh i forgot about the scientist that made up the white men,he must have given them some devlish forces!!!!! I´d advise aqueous moon to swallow a tranquillizin 20mg dose of zyprexa neuroleptics so maybe she can deal with her paranoia attacks and take distance from the black-nazi thing.the worst thing about people like her is that they represent a wrong understanding of NGE teachings due to a lack of education and emotional sanity.Now she must be fully convinced me bein a grown devil...HARHARHARHARHAR})

whitey
06-16-2006, 09:02 PM
This doesnt explain what you want or what you are trying to accomplish


His point is valid though. People like you enjoy the time now because in 50 or a 100 years you will be speaking Chinese or Indian anyways. But people like you don't care about that far in the future anyways because, it doesn't concern you.

Im not trying to rip on you either, it really just seems from how you've portrayed yourself and how a lot of conservative republicans act currently (Honestly I dont know your actual political and ideological thoughts only making an assumption, and I'm well aware of what people say about those make assumptions so no need to say)

Holding power with guns and harsh words works, but only for so long. Just until the next person with more guns and bigger balls comes along. And they ALWAYS come along.

aismani
06-16-2006, 09:08 PM
If one of them thinks like this today for a certainty there must be many more, and we know what alot of their grandfathers and great grandfathers thought, the cruel and inhumane sentiments of a perverse and wicked race.
Keph,is there dicks growin out ya head?maybe a white one in your back?

Gawd
06-16-2006, 09:09 PM
His point is valid though. People like you enjoy the time now because in 50 or a 100 years you will be speaking Chinese or Indian anyways. But people like you don't care about that far in the future anyways because, it doesn't concern you.

Im not trying to rip on you either, it really just seems from how you've portrayed yourself and how a lot of conservative republicans act currently (Honestly I dont know your actual political and ideological thoughts only making an assumption, and I'm well aware of what people say about those make assumptions so no need to say)

Holding power with guns and harsh words works, but only for so long. Just until the next person with more guns and bigger balls comes along. And they ALWAYS come along.

I look foward to the future. I also will be ready for an invading force. Will you?

aismani
06-16-2006, 09:12 PM
brrrrrrrrrrrraapp stick`em ha haha stick`em

Kephrem
06-16-2006, 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by Jasper1134

It was legal back when the Indians were murdered as there were no laws.


Originally Posted by Kephrem
If one of them thinks like this today, for a certainty there must be many many more with this same mindstate, and we already know what alot of their old red cracka grandfathers and great grandfathers thought in those days, those were the cruel and inhumane sentiments of a perverse and wicked race.


Keph,is there dicks growin out ya head?maybe a white one in your back?


Hey, faggot, what does your medical condition have to do with my reply to the demonic comments made by that Nazi, jasper?

Funny how your bitch ass doesn't have ANYTHING to say about those cold satanic comments yet you take issue with my response to them, this is why your people are the DEVIL the Bible speaks about and your blood will soak this land in perpetual fire in due time.

By the way, ain't you that dumb cracka who said that everything the Nation of Gods and Earths teaches about "black" is really "symbolic of wisdom" and not of the original man being black?? You're a fuckin clown.

aismani
06-16-2006, 10:37 PM
ur a retard 4 real-u make even capone n`noreaga look conscious,stop bein a shame for the nation of the gods.Better build a new organisation called united-black-nazi-retards.i guess aqueous will join.

whitey
06-16-2006, 10:51 PM
I look foward to the future. I also will be ready for an invading force. Will you?

I dont think a force will be needed. This country looks like it will fall apart on its own.

Kephrem
06-16-2006, 11:02 PM
ur a retard 4 real-u make even capone n`noreaga look conscious,

SHOW and PROVE devil, that's if it's even possible being the DECIEVER you are.


stop bein a shame for the nation of the gods

I NEVER claimed to be a member of the NGE you clown. But I DO know when I'm reading BULLSHIT, so stop ducking the question:

ain't you that dumb cracka who said that everything the Nation of Gods and Earths teaches about "black" is really "symbolic of wisdom" and not of the original man being black??



Better build a new organisation called united-black-nazi-retards.i guess aqueous will join.


See above.

Gawd
06-17-2006, 02:25 AM
I dont think a force will be needed. This country looks like it will fall apart on its own.

ok...whatever scenario.

Muslimah
06-17-2006, 02:29 AM
I NEVER claimed to be a member of the NGE you clown. But I DO know when I'm reading BULLSHIT, so stop ducking the question:


LMAO... If you disagree with any of these wankers on this forum they accuse you of being apart of either the NGE or a Devil. Clearly Know the Ledge isn’t what it used to be... A person can't just disagree you see, they are labelled in the process.

And don't even bother putting forward a constructive argument. People don't even bother with the points made. It's straight to the empty rhetoric... Forget about how reasonable and truthful your argument may be…

JASPER
06-17-2006, 05:36 AM
And don't even bother putting forward a constructive argument. People don't even bother with the points made. It's straight to the empty rhetoric... Forget about how reasonable and truthful your argument may be…
Yeah, that's true. I'm going to bother talking sense to some idiot calling everyone who dissagrees with his opinions a devil.

Wamukota X
06-20-2006, 11:44 AM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/Puprlehaze/Liberty2.jpg

WARPATH
06-20-2006, 03:02 PM
We kicked everyones butts off of this land fair and square. You don't like? Then get an Army and fight us Sir. Now, after we kicked everyones butts and became a Nation we made laws. And over the years we fought many wars and created many laws. Some of our Laws are immigration laws. And they need to be revamped yes. But until then they need to be followed and recognized as the Law of the Land. So until Mexico's Army, or The Native American Wino Army, or the Indigenous Army invades and conquers the US you can all eat my dick. Everyone has conquered land. The Indians fought wars and took territory from each other long before the white man arrived. So don't be a sore looser. Get in line, do it right and come live with us in the USA.

This is just ignorance.

White man couldn't conquor Natives on the battlefield so they resorted to terroistic tactics. Spreading disease's, and you call that fighting fair? Do the knowledge homie.

Gawd
06-20-2006, 03:45 PM
This is just ignorance.

White man couldn't conquor Natives on the battlefield so they resorted to terroistic tactics. Spreading disease's, and you call that fighting fair? Do the knowledge homie.

D00d read the entire thread.......I was making nonsense to get ppl started. Do the reading bitch

WARPATH
06-20-2006, 06:10 PM
D00d read the entire thread.......I was making nonsense to get ppl started. Do the reading bitch

I did read the thread, and I came to the conclusion that your an idiot so I had to post on your bullshit. Don't be mad because I exposed your bullshit.

Gawd
06-20-2006, 08:36 PM
I did read the thread, and I came to the conclusion that your an idiot so I had to post on your bullshit. Don't be mad because I exposed your bullshit.

haha exposed huh? If Im trying to get ppl started then you saying you busted me being an idiot isnt anything remarkable. Almost every1 in this thread has called me an idiot for what I have posted so therefore you are nothing special......and again if you would have read the thread you would know that I do not get mad or angry.

You and every1 else here should be asking yourselves why I was allowed to get under you skin and draw out emotions and such on an internet forum. You all are weak minded. I lol at every post I see talking shite about my reamarks........you guys lost.

Big Risk
06-21-2006, 02:50 AM
I like how this fatass explains EVERYTHING LMFAO!!

WARPATH
06-21-2006, 02:12 PM
haha exposed huh? If Im trying to get ppl started then you saying you busted me being an idiot isnt anything remarkable. Almost every1 in this thread has called me an idiot for what I have posted so therefore you are nothing special......and again if you would have read the thread you would know that I do not get mad or angry.

You and every1 else here should be asking yourselves why I was allowed to get under you skin and draw out emotions and such on an internet forum. You all are weak minded. I lol at every post I see talking shite about my reamarks........you guys lost.

ok, keep telling yourself that.:thumbup:

Gawd
06-21-2006, 08:36 PM
I like how this fatass explains EVERYTHING LMFAO!!

BigRisk...your vocab is small and rusty. Fat seems to make up at least 1 word in your 6-10 word replies towards me. Could you maybe use your other words to talk shit to me? Fat is getting old. Maybe get a thesaurus from your local library and look up the word fat and get some similar meaning words on here. I mean cmon. You must have a thing for large men. Ghey

Wamukota X
06-22-2006, 06:54 AM
BigRisk...your vocab is small and rusty. Fat seems to make up at least 1 word in your 6-10 word replies towards me. Could you maybe use your other words to talk shit to me? Fat is getting old. Maybe get a thesaurus from your local library and look up the word fat and get some similar meaning words on here. I mean cmon. You must have a thing for large men. Ghey


Are you gon bring any sustenance to this forum or you gon to continue spewing foul language and insults?

Gawd
06-22-2006, 07:40 PM
Are you gon bring any sustenance to this forum or you gon to continue spewing foul language and insults?

Are you mad at me?

Wamukota X
06-23-2006, 10:45 AM
Are you mad at me?


Of course not, I have no reason to be. You expressed your feeling freely. Your expressed your freedom. Nothing wrong with that at all even though we disagree on almost everything.

aismani
06-23-2006, 10:51 PM
Are you gon bring any sustenance to this forum or you gon to continue spewing foul language and insults?

while others express their racistic views in a very well articulated way.I´m with the redneck,at least he doesnt believe in ethnical/racial supremacy like many self proclaimed NGE dicks on this forum.

Wamukota X
06-27-2006, 07:42 AM
while others express their racistic views in a very well articulated way.I´m with the redneck,at least he doesnt believe in ethnical/racial supremacy like many self proclaimed NGE dicks on this forum.


Making it appear that murder is ok against one group than another classifies as racial supremacy. So, I guess both of you feel that it is ok to murder natives for their land. That has nothing to do with the Nation of Gods and Earths. How can you say that he doesn't believe in racial superiority?

Gawd
06-27-2006, 02:42 PM
Making it appear that murder is ok against one group than another classifies as racial supremacy. So, I guess both of you feel that it is ok to murder natives for their land. That has nothing to do with the Nation of Gods and Earths. How can you say that he doesn't believe in racial superiority?

I do not believe in racial superiority. Murder is not ok. That shit happened so long ago and I had nothing to do with it. So what more do you want?

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 07:53 AM
We kicked everyones butts off of this land fair and square. ... Now, after we kicked everyones butts and became a Nation we made laws.


That shit happened so long ago and I had nothing to do with it. So what more do you want?



You aligned and identified yourself with those that have murderered and stolen land from the natives of this part of the world. You did that all by yourself. And don't give us that b.s. about trying to incite a response from people on this forum. You clearly stated what was on your mind at the time. By claiming that you were purposefully making false statements is the samething as pivoting and running in the opposite direction to avoid further confrontation. That is a spineless reaction on your part. Making mistakes and telling lies are two different things, there was no mistake here, you had an intended objective. And like I said numerous times already to answer your question, I don't want anything from you. You and your forefathes don't have the power to give us what we need. The reason is clear now why you like to take pictures with big guns in you hands and preach about how much ammo and weapons you have.

damaja
06-28-2006, 07:57 AM
Black people back to Africa, Mexicans back to Mexico, white people back to Europe. Sounds good to me. What about the blacks that like living in my country? I don't mind them, but have they got to go aswell?

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 08:01 AM
Black people back to Africa, Mexicans back to Mexico, white people back to Europe. Sounds good to me. What about the blacks that like living in my country? I don't mind them, but have they got to go aswell?


Before this modern age Black people lived all over this Planet Earth. So what are you saying?

damaja
06-28-2006, 08:05 AM
Oh, so black people don't have to go back to Africa. Funny that...

What's wrong with Africa? Lots of black people are there. You can't do half measures, all or nothing. You can't send the whites back to Europe, but be all, "I'm black, black people were everywhere, we can go where we want".

And what's all the modern age bullshit? My history books said the blacks were from Africa. Or are you talking about how evolution made the original black tribes skins pale and suited them for the colder climates in the North? Because, by that theory, I'm black too, and I can go where I want.

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 08:12 AM
Oh, so black people don't have to go back to Africa. Funny that...

What's wrong with Africa? Lots of black people are there. You can't do half measures, all or nothing. You can't send the whites back to Europe, but be all, "I'm black, black people were everywhere, we can go where we want".

And what's all the modern age bullshit? My history books said the blacks were from Africa. Or are you talking about how evolution made the original black tribes skins pale and suited them for the colder climates in the North? Because, by that theory, I'm black too, and I can go where I want.


Don't get it twisted. I didn't say anything is wrong with Afrika. That fact is that Europeans murdered people and stole the land. I doubt the people your are refering to in your neighborhood murdered people and stole land regardless to them being so-called illegal citizens or not.

damaja
06-28-2006, 08:16 AM
The Europeans who did all that shit are long dead, don't hold anyone alive today responsible. I didn't murder anyone, my parents didn't murder anyone. In fact, all my ancestors stayed in Europe. So am I allowed to come to America because my ancestors didn't murder anyone?

Your words have no foundation.

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 08:26 AM
The Europeans who did all that shit are long dead, don't hold anyone alive today responsible. I didn't murder anyone, my parents didn't murder anyone. In fact, all my ancestors stayed in Europe. So am I allowed to come to America because my ancestors didn't murder anyone?

Your words have no foundation.

Au contraire. You no doubt benefit from the murders of the Darker people of this world. Europeans have shed blood all over the globe. Of course, you didn't physically murder anyone to our knowledge but your opposition to the truth strengthens the ideals your forefathers possessed and fought so hard for. Staying in Europe means nothing. The Europeans had total control of the entire continent of Afrika at one point. I'm out, i'll finish later.

JASPER
06-28-2006, 08:38 AM
You still make it seem like Europeans were the only people who murdered entire nations and stole their land...

damaja
06-28-2006, 08:44 AM
Evil crackers! KILL EM ALL!

Gawd
06-28-2006, 02:08 PM
You aligned and identified yourself with those that have murderered and stolen land from the natives of this part of the world. You did that all by yourself. And don't give us that b.s. about trying to incite a response from people on this forum. You clearly stated what was on your mind at the time. By claiming that you were purposefully making false statements is the samething as pivoting and running in the opposite direction to avoid further confrontation. That is a spineless reaction on your part. Making mistakes and telling lies are two different things, there was no mistake here, you had an intended objective. And like I said numerous times already to answer your question, I don't want anything from you. You and your forefathes don't have the power to give us what we need. The reason is clear now why you like to take pictures with big guns in you hands and preach about how much ammo and weapons you have.

d00d your ghey. your the most gheyest person on teh internet.

you take shit to seriously and that is why you are like a fucking woman. you have a problem with guns and pictures? that tells me that you like when d00ds squirt six pack shilack all over your tum tum.

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 03:20 PM
d00d your ghey. your the most gheyest person on teh internet.

you take shit to seriously and that is why you are like a fucking woman. you have a problem with guns and pictures? that tells me that you like when d00ds squirt six pack shilack all over your tum tum.




You need to grow up son. I could care less about how many guns you pack. I have no problem with an obscenely obese child profiling his toy guns. I see you aren't mature enough to address the real issues. This is a serious forum. This is a serious post. The information discussed here is for critical thinkers not juvenile delinquents such as yourself. Everyone can clearly see you are not mature enough to handle was is being discussed here. Therefore, you can take your baby talk to general chat and utter your sexual deviant nonsense to yourself.

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 03:21 PM
You still make it seem like Europeans were the only people who murdered entire nations and stole their land...


No doubt.

JASPER
06-28-2006, 03:30 PM
No doubt.You are wrong.

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 03:45 PM
You are wrong.


Clarify.

JASPER
06-28-2006, 03:56 PM
I did earlier in this thread, but I guess you ignored it. I don't feel like googling all kinds of wiki facts and what not, but common sense should tell you to that you're wrong.

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 03:57 PM
I did earlier in this thread, but I guess you ignored it. I don't feel like googling all kinds of wiki facts and what not, but common sense should tell you to that you're wrong.


I don't ignore actual facts but if it was something you made up, then yes I probably ignored it.

JASPER
06-28-2006, 04:02 PM
I didn't make it up, I learned it from history books. Do you seriously believe only Europeans took place in violent take overs? If so, I can't have a discussion with someone that biased.

crass
06-28-2006, 04:10 PM
Do you seriously believe only Europeans took place in violent take overs?.

yeah, there are countless examples that prove otherwise, including a very many from the 20th century and even more recent history. genocide, mass-murder and other such campaigns are a staple of many governments, whether they are dictatorships or democracies. an example would be Pol Pot who was very not-white.

Wamukota X
06-28-2006, 04:12 PM
Do you seriously believe only Europeans took place in violent take overs? .



Of course not. Don't change the context of the sentence now.

This was your original statement.

You still make it seem like Europeans were the only people who murdered entire nations and stole their land...

Europeans are diffinitely not the only people that participated in violent take overs. But rendering an entire population of people extinct, I say Yes. They have done the same to animals, plants, and natural resources. Hitler tried to do this to his own kind, surely if he will try to eradicate white people the darker people of this world don't stand a chance against evil minds like that.

crass
06-28-2006, 04:17 PM
What about Red China's massacres in Tibet?

Gawd
06-28-2006, 04:18 PM
I want to skin all Americans....America..Fuck Yeah

crass
06-28-2006, 04:21 PM
Hitler tried to do this to his own kind, surely if he will try to eradicate white people the darker people of this world don't stand a chance against evil minds like that.


anyone else see the unintentional yet revealing racism in that comment :thumbup:

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-28-2006, 04:22 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^`
¿Thats cause you´re a devil; After you skin them will you eat them?

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-28-2006, 04:24 PM
I want to skin all Americans....America..Fuck Yeah

¿THATS CAUSE YOU ARE A DEVIL; AFTER YOU SKIN THEM WOULD EAT THEM?

JASPER
06-28-2006, 04:34 PM
Of course not. Don't change the context of the sentence now.

This was your original statement.



Europeans are diffinitely not the only people that participated in violent take overs. But rendering an entire population of people extinct, I say Yes. They have done the same to animals, plants, and natural resources. Hitler tried to do this to his own kind, surely if he will try to eradicate white people the darker people of this world don't stand a chance against evil minds like that.I can't be bothered to look it up now, but I know of Africans murdering entire civilisations. Even genocide isn't strange to the history of many Asian countries. Basically, people all over the world have been killing eachother for many centuries.

Gawd
06-28-2006, 04:38 PM
¿THATS CAUSE YOU ARE A DEVIL; AFTER YOU SKIN THEM WOULD EAT THEM?

yep you got it right. then i will move on to the darkies. then to the yellow colored ones. then the semi dark ones......

Gawd
06-28-2006, 04:39 PM
I can't be bothered to look it up now, but I know of Africans murdering entire civilisations. Even genocide isn't strange to the history of many Asian countries. Basically, people all over the world have been killing eachother for many centuries.

he is going to blame it on the white man.......

crass
06-28-2006, 05:00 PM
know the ledge is stupid

Gawd
06-28-2006, 06:02 PM
The Europeans that carved up this continent want people to think Mexico is separate that's why they call this North America but in reality it's all one big stolen piece of property in the name of White Supremacy.

and what of the spanish that help concieve the mexican race? you know when the spanish raped the natives and them mex babies poped out...you know?

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-28-2006, 06:19 PM
and what of the spanish that help concieve the mexican race? you know when the spanish raped the natives and them mex babies poped out...you know?
WTF? You dont make sense dont eat while yr typin stoopid

damaja
06-28-2006, 07:21 PM
He is saying that Mexicans are all descended from Europeans aswell you fucking apeshite fagtard.

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-28-2006, 07:30 PM
He is saying that Mexicans are all descended from Europeans aswell you fucking apeshite fagtard.
Wow! Who are you?

Gawd
06-28-2006, 07:51 PM
Wow! Who are you?

bwuahahahahaha he called you a fagtard. fagtard.

damaja
06-28-2006, 09:26 PM
Wow! Who are you?
Karl Marx

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 06:41 AM
have u checked the ghetto lately blacks are killing blacks too


There is no question about that. So, whats your point?

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 06:42 AM
anyone else see the unintentional yet revealing racism in that comment :thumbup:


Everything I said was intentional, there's no hidden message here.

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 06:44 AM
I can't be bothered to look it up now, but I know of Africans murdering entire civilisations. Even genocide isn't strange to the history of many Asian countries. Basically, people all over the world have been killing eachother for many centuries.



We are not talking about "genocide". Europeans committed homocide against all the darker people of the world. That is completely different.

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 06:50 AM
and what of the spanish that help concieve the mexican race? you know when the spanish raped the natives and them mex babies poped out...you know?


You still don't get it and you most likely never will. The Europeans raped the natives of Mexico, true. The Europeans raped and murdered my ancestors too. That does not make a Blackman a European, the Black gene is always Dominant. The same for the Natives of the Americas. That's basic Biology.

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 07:16 AM
My history books said the blacks were from Africa. Or are you talking about how evolution made the original black tribes skins pale and suited them for the colder climates in the North?


Do you really believe that? I have never seen a blond haired blue-eyed Inuit or Eskimo. Have you?

supremecharma
06-29-2006, 07:34 AM
so wot u gonna do bout it..... stop whining.

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 11:18 AM
so wot u gonna do bout it..... stop whining.

Ain't nobody whining. Do about what? Make yourself clear.

Gawd
06-29-2006, 11:23 AM
You still don't get it and you most likely never will. The Europeans raped the natives of Mexico, true. The Europeans raped and murdered my ancestors too. That does not make a Blackman a European, the Black gene is always Dominant. The same for the Natives of the Americas. That's basic Biology.

yeah that must be why you guys can handle your liquor so well.

zomg everything is so clear now.

pwnt

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 12:44 PM
yeah that must be why you guys can handle your liquor so well.

zomg everything is so clear now.

pwnt


I don't drink alcohol and the people I associate with do not drink either. You really don't understand, this thread is for adults go home and play with your toy guns. You have said nothing significant, the only thing it seems you try to do is insult people by name calling and using infantile jokes. What do you want?

JASPER
06-29-2006, 12:51 PM
We are not talking about "genocide". Europeans committed homocide against all the darker people of the world. That is completely different.I wasn't talking about just genocide either, but basically just murdering a large group of people and stealing their land. As long as you can agree with me Europeans weren't the only people doing that sort of thing I have nothing to discuss with you.

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 12:58 PM
I wasn't talking about just genocide either, but basically just murdering a large group of people and stealing their land. As long as you can agree with me Europeans weren't the only people doing that sort of thing I have nothing to discuss with you.


I disagree. Discussion over.

JASPER
06-29-2006, 01:01 PM
Then again, I must say you're wrong. I'll leave it at that because someone as ignorant as you I can't have a normal discussion with.

Wamukota X
06-29-2006, 01:12 PM
Then again, I must say you're wrong. I'll leave it at that because someone as ignorant as you I can't have a normal discussion with.


Well said. I would be wrong in a mind such as yours. A mind that says it was not illegal to murder men, woman, and children to gain an entire continent. The people that were living here for thousands of years have no rights and are subject to every injustice imginable. In your warped mind you are right. Your even worst than Hitler.

damaja
06-29-2006, 03:58 PM
Do you really believe that? I have never seen a blond haired blue-eyed Inuit or Eskimo. Have you?
White people are aliens.

JASPER
06-29-2006, 04:39 PM
Well said. I would be wrong in a mind such as yours. A mind that says it was not illegal to murder men, woman, and children to gain an entire continent. The people that were living here for thousands of years have no rights and are subject to every injustice imginable. In your warped mind you are right. Your even worst than Hitler. No, not in my mind you're wrong, but in the facts of world history you are. You're bringing up a discussion I have given up on and admitted I cannot prove, that's a weak fall back. And then the Hitler comparison again, you don't even know what you're talking about.

UNCLE RUCKUS
06-29-2006, 05:20 PM
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¿Thats you right?

Gawd
06-29-2006, 07:36 PM
I don't drink alcohol and the people I associate with do not drink either.I wish you were not a liar. You really don't understand, this thread is for adults go home and play with your toy guns. My guns are not toys. They are real. You have said nothing significant,then why do you keep on responding? the only thing it seems you try to do is insult people by name calling and using infantile jokes.Everyone else in this thread is calling names d00d and using racist or derogatory rhtoric. What do you want? I do not want anything from you.....I have everything I need

:thumbup:

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 01:22 AM
White people are aliens.


wot???

and whats "fuk the uk" all about man????

explain yo fukin self cos it says ur location is london.

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 01:23 AM
We are not talking about "genocide". Europeans committed homocide against all the darker people of the world. That is completely different.


there you go??? am i making myself clear now???

damaja
06-30-2006, 02:32 AM
wot???

and whats "fuk the uk" all about man????

explain yo fukin self cos it says ur location is london.
I am on a secret mission, and I am gonna fuck shit up. The UK sucks ass, London is 'alright', but I am outta here soon, soon as I have fucked the place up. Go fuck yourself, Brit.

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 02:58 AM
there is some seriously wierd people on this site.

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 03:00 AM
secret mission.......what, a 5 knuckle shuffle?!!! piss off back where u came from

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 03:12 AM
damaja! i got ya ip address! start worryin

damaja
06-30-2006, 03:15 AM
FUCK, HE GOT MY IP! HE GON GET ME!"

ILL RAPE YOUR DAD

homo

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 03:24 AM
my dad! ha!! he hard motha fucka!! and if u break it down u da homo

damaja
06-30-2006, 03:36 AM
YOUR SOUL IS MINE!

Your dad is a good kisser

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 03:39 AM
ok ok now i know your fakin alex kemsley.....

damaja
06-30-2006, 04:00 AM
My middle name is Daniel

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 04:03 AM
even more info.

damaja
06-30-2006, 04:05 AM
O M G

LOLS

MY BIRTHDAY is JULY 15! COME MEET ME FOR MY BIRTHDAY!

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 04:06 AM
shall we do lunch?? i got a restaurant in the city centre we can go there....

damaja
06-30-2006, 04:08 AM
Sounds great, what kind of food? I like Italian and Indian the most.

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 04:08 AM
bless u - its italian!!!!

JASPER
06-30-2006, 05:20 AM
Sounds great, what kind of food? I like Italian and Indian the most.Indian, gross.

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 05:22 AM
lol^^

JASPER
06-30-2006, 05:23 AM
I like to stay on topic....

supremecharma
06-30-2006, 06:02 AM
turns out he is English and he was having me on......

Wamukota X
06-30-2006, 10:51 AM
Everyone else in this thread is calling names d00d and using racist or derogatory rhtoric


That's a classic juvenile response when a child is caught in the wrong. I see you can't think and reason on your own.

Wamukota X
06-30-2006, 10:52 AM
White people are aliens.



That's your opinion.

Wamukota X
06-30-2006, 10:54 AM
there you go??? am i making myself clear now???


You haven't said anything to clarify yourself. You are not making any sense. Please respond with complete sentences.

Gawd
06-30-2006, 04:21 PM
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That's a classic juvenile response when a child is caught in the wrong. I see you can't think and reason on your own.

Thats the response anyone would dish when being singled out and being called a devil by others. you fucktard. i didnt see you trashing ageous or any other wack jobs in here fore using racist language.

hypocrite you are

Aqueous Moon
06-30-2006, 04:46 PM
What racist language???

Devil?...that ain't racist.

You are the one who started bragging about how cruel, greedy, and good at theft your people are.

What do you expect to be called?

damaja
06-30-2006, 04:58 PM
Who says devil isn't racist? Black people? Devil, which some black people call white people, for being white, nothing else...erm? It's not for you to decide.

Aqueous Moon
06-30-2006, 05:03 PM
Who says devil isn't racist? Black people? Devil, which some black people call white people, for being white, nothing else...erm? It's not for you to decide.

If you don't want to be called devil then don't do devilish deeds and don't say devilish shit.

Noone would ever truthfully call you devil if you didn't prove yourself to be one.

damaja
06-30-2006, 06:34 PM
I shouldn't have to prove anything. What devilish deeds have I done?

Oh, well there was that time I enslaved Nigeria, but let's forget about that one.

Aqueous Moon
06-30-2006, 08:16 PM
If you don't want to be called devil then don't do devilish deeds and don't say devilish shit.

Noone would ever truthfully call you devil if you didn't prove yourself to be one.

I don't think you understood what I said...but, take it how you will.

Wamukota X
07-03-2006, 08:54 AM
Thats the response anyone would dish when being singled out and being called a devil by others. you fucktard. i didnt see you trashing ageous or any other wack jobs in here fore using racist language.

hypocrite you are



You deserved every ounce of what I said. I am not a hypocrite as you say. I have stood by all of my words you have denied and backpeddled with every other post, that would make you the real hypocrite. You first came on this thread with this nonsense:

And we didnt kill for no reason. We killed for what we have today.

You aligned yourself with the forefathers of Amerikkka and begin using foul language directed toward all darker people of this planet. I don't take it personal I just explained to you who you are acting like. If you don't like that truth, so be it. One of the highest forms of communication is through the use of language. When you
communicate, with this foul discourse, it can never lead to the type of activity that a higher level of discourse could bring about. That alone puts you on the level of a beast or Devil. To engage in this foul, despicable means of communication leads to a person falling down, mentally, spiritually and Humanly, to then act on the lowest level of human behavior. Uncivilized behavior. To put this in terms you will easily understand, You spoke the language of a Devil. If anyone else spoke as you did, yes I would call them a Devil too. Understood Diablo.

Gawd
07-03-2006, 11:39 AM
^ :nonono:

Wamukota X
07-03-2006, 03:23 PM
It's alright just walk it off.