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IronSheik
05-23-2006, 04:06 PM
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/9631/umad1tz.gif
haha....Cam'ron just couldn't take this 'Swagger Jacker' no more & with his disgust for Jigga, he EXPOSES his fakeness and PROOVES hes been bitin Biggie & even the likes of Pac who clowned him & basically penned the 'Gay-Z' name back in 96
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8&search=jay%20z%20


A key point of whether hes bitin or not is that he just takes the same line and youd be lucky if he changes one or two words like Kane's: "come get some, ya little bum, i take the cake but you cant get a crumb" and he simply changes the the last part to "under the bakers thumb"

But whether you agree hes bitin or not, you have to agree Jay is one of the IF not most overrated MCs ever!

Spectrum7glr
05-23-2006, 04:16 PM
Fuck Jay-Z all i got to say

Ironman Starks
05-23-2006, 04:17 PM
wrong place for thread but yeah Jay-Z bite off everyone

num2son
05-23-2006, 04:17 PM
Thats bitting right there, he even took a cappadonna line a nas line from verbal intercourse...:no:

Ill Jolson
05-23-2006, 04:18 PM
YOU MAAAAD!

you're just hatin because he's more good lookin' than you. ^^

he's fucking ill, and you CAN'T deny it.

crass
05-23-2006, 04:18 PM
about 6 months ago i posted an mp3 where a DJ exposed every line Jay-Z bit, playing a Big line, then the Jay line, nas line, then jay line, etc. i don't know if it's on this comp though.

Ironman Starks
05-23-2006, 04:19 PM
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/9631/umad1tz.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8&search=jay%20z%20





ETHER # 2

thats harsh

HONEYbakedSAM
05-23-2006, 04:20 PM
yea. I never thought he was a bad MC. Overrated yes, but not bad. But this is rediculous! How many more of biggies rhymes are gonna come out his fat lips?

Ironman Starks
05-23-2006, 04:20 PM
YOU MAAAAD!

you're just hatin because he's more good lookin' than you. ^^

he's fucking ill, and you CAN'T deny it.

you gay as hell if you think the camel is good lookin

and if you think hes ill your a moron :yes:

num2son
05-23-2006, 04:22 PM
he's fucking ill, and you CAN'T deny it.

I never liked jay-z

\\-Ghostface-//
05-23-2006, 04:38 PM
oh my fucking god thats real fucked up for Jay-Z! I never thought Jay-Z is a bad rapper but know man ....

Ironman Starks
05-23-2006, 04:43 PM
after lookin at this i dont know who lost more jay or cam

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d117/Ticallion72/camugly.gif

WuTangWarrior
05-23-2006, 04:43 PM
i knew about the biting, but lets be real yall.... if Cam and Jay were to battle we know damn well Jay would MURDER Cam. Biting or not, Jay-Z is waaaaayyy better than Cam'ron. "Ayo rock my garage, rock my massage" <-- LMFAO WTH IS THAT

Ironman Starks
05-23-2006, 04:47 PM
i dunno man

Jay isnt a battle rapper and half his lines are bitten

thats why hes retired cause he has no more material. i dont think he has it in him to battle

Luther Large
05-23-2006, 04:48 PM
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/9631/umad1tz.gif
haha....Cam'ron just couldn't take this 'Swagger Jacker' no more & with his disgust for Jigga, he EXPOSES his fakeness and PROOVES hes been bitin Biggie & even the likes of Pac who clowned him & basically penned the 'Gay-Z' name back in 96
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8&search=jay%20z%20


A key point of whether hes bitin or not is that he just takes the same line and youd be lucky if he changes one or two words like Kane's: "come get some, ya little bum, i take the cake but you cant get a crumb" and he simply changes the the last part to "under the bakers thumb"

But whether you agree hes bitin or not, you have to agree Jay is one of the IF not most overrated MCs ever!

i think jay-z is actually a very good rapper especially on reasonable doubt which is a classic

i just think jay-z is looked at as "Great" for the wrong things like his sales and singles

yes he kinda is overrated but sumtimes he's so good he seems underrated

have you ever heard "D'evils" off of his reasonable doubt album? it's a premo beat and jay delivers amazingly i'm tellin you listen to this song b4 u turn it down if u do your missing out on a masterpiece

and yes it pissses me off that he bit a big l line from 1 of there freestyles together and he got credit for it cuz rap fans are fuckin dumb

but still jay-z's reasonable doubt was not bitin and it was ill

Ironman Starks
05-23-2006, 04:51 PM
i have the album

but i have no respect for the dude

he bites way to hard for me to respect it

only guy he'll ever give respect to for lyrics is occasionally big but outside of that his rhymes are all cockiness and no actually substance(and i dont mean scientific crap) im talkin about just decent rhymes that get you goin

ukarema
05-23-2006, 05:13 PM
lol @ everyone just realizing this.

Fayth
05-23-2006, 05:14 PM
lol @ everyone just realizing this.

Someone that has a good ear for hip hop lyrics those notice these things before we do.

BIGRICK
05-23-2006, 05:36 PM
Yeah I knew it all along that jay was a bitter! but anyways, FUCK both Cam and Jay, bitch ass niggas!

IronSheik
05-23-2006, 06:16 PM
it wasnt that it was just realized (obviously all the REAL hip hop heads knew) but its been captured on WAX & that was the link of it that I was sharing (adding my personal comments to it)

the surgeon
05-23-2006, 06:24 PM
this is old and this is a blatent hate thread he obviously is talented hes got mad punch lines and even GZA has respect 4 him.Some ppl need 2 grow the fuck up can u come out wid an album every year and go on tour and get respect from nearly every MC is=n the industry and have some of the most versatile flows.Hes got 1 classic and another arguable classic so stop hating on the man

whitey
05-23-2006, 06:39 PM
embarassing for jay z.

Luther Large
05-23-2006, 06:40 PM
i dont even know if he was bitin or payin homage

but reasonable doubt is a classic

oDoUoSoKo
05-23-2006, 06:45 PM
i like when two rappers i like both beef toward eachother

Funk_Dock
05-23-2006, 07:16 PM
shiit, i mean i dont listen to jay much, and i knew he had a couple of stolen rhymes from what i heard....but damn i just lost alotta respect for him (as a rapper) for that cause i know hes got skills on the microphone

crass
05-23-2006, 07:22 PM
yeah cam took the DJ mix and put commentary over it. this exposes Jay-Z hardcore. that many bitten lines is inexcusable, especially when the kids that buy his records by the millions don't know where the originals come from.

Blaque_Ravage
05-23-2006, 07:54 PM
Even though I always knew Jay wasnt original....when I first heard that "Swagger Jacker" awhile ago shit hits hard! This should wake people up and see who they are looking up too ( Jay-z )....there are way tooo many artist that can spit better than Jay.

But Jay-Z knows how to sell himself and hes good at entertaining people....so people would buy into his shit.And he already made a name for himself so....even though that Swagger Jacker track was the truth its not going to change things....people will still think Jay-Z as a Hip-Hop legend...dude is really overrated...

the surgeon
05-23-2006, 07:56 PM
camron needs 2 bite cause now hes shit his lyrics r beyond whack

T.H.O.M.A.S. Man
05-23-2006, 08:18 PM
YOU MAAAAD!

you're just hatin because he's more good lookin' than you. ^^

he's fucking ill, and you CAN'T deny it.

i can deny it, based on the line:

"i come on the track like duh-duh dutta,
with a throwback jersey and a fitted"

Longbongcilvaringz
05-23-2006, 08:18 PM
^lol.

ive never liked jay that much. overrated.

BRONZBODY
05-24-2006, 01:13 AM
yeah jay is overrated...but he shits all over cumron........poo poo nigga!

ShaolinDarts
05-24-2006, 05:50 AM
How can Camron of all people criticise another emcee? His rolly polly/holly molly lyrics are much worse than Jay's biting.

CYENCE
05-24-2006, 07:00 AM
Cam didnt make that, somebody else had that up on the net way before the Cam/Jay beef began.

euphanAsia
05-24-2006, 07:03 AM
I never liked jay-z

word

IRONFLAGCHIEF36
05-24-2006, 08:09 AM
Jay-z has been wack!!! Never liked him or biggie!!!

CYENCE
05-24-2006, 08:36 AM
Jay-z has been wack!!! Never liked him or biggie!!!
wow @ some of ya'll dudes
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19647

Knicks
05-24-2006, 09:30 AM
wow @ all the jay z hate...

i didnt know you guys were THAT anti mainstream...

you guys need to open your ears...not everything thats popular is bad.

ShaolinDarts
05-24-2006, 09:33 AM
wow @ all the jay z hate...

i didnt know you guys were THAT anti mainstream...

you guys need to open your ears...not everything thats popular is bad.

No point............their superglued to some unheard of wack underground rappers dick.

Murdah Piff
05-24-2006, 11:04 AM
you fags jsut realizin this ? this was released like 4 years ago but Cam is just pokin through the Ether scars Nas left on his stupid camel face

jay got 2 good albums and 1 classic track on his 14 other shits who should pay royalty checks to biggies momma

jay-z has always been over rated, while cam is original SDE>>Jay's catalogue

get ya swagger right

Ghost In The 'Lac
05-24-2006, 12:08 PM
I knew all these lines when he spit them but I just thought he was paying homage and that was obvious to everyone. the worst ones were the cappa from the pillage lp and nas on the verbal intercourse cuz i don think he was paying homage to them with those.

anyway if thats what he is doing hes paying homage too much, he needs to lay off that.

maestro wooz
05-24-2006, 12:33 PM
jayz=g.o.a.t

SKANK HILL
05-24-2006, 12:42 PM
yeh ok i think we all herd that jay z thing 'im not a writer im a biter' and to me jay z is till dope, ok calling him gay z is pretty wack 'eheheheheehe i called jay z gay z,i just swaped first letter of his name cos im unorigil' FUCK CAMRON what the fuck is cam ron me ive farted and vommited things at the same time that sounbd ebetter than camron fuck camron who the fuck fuck camron jigga aint the GOAT or the king of NY but jiggas sure as a fuckin better MC than camron, camron needs to take english class again because this cant is like rapping the same fuckin punch in eery verse fuck cam ron , jay z > cam ron, fuck, MC AK > cam ron, fuck dipset
, fuck cam ron

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
05-24-2006, 01:52 PM
heard this years ago

energizer
05-24-2006, 04:03 PM
he is just paying homage and u can tell when he duz it like in what more can i say or somethin hes like, where he says them rings and things you sing about bring em out hard to yell wen barrels in ya mouth, he says in the line before, i say a big line im only biggin up my brother, biggin up my borough im big enuf to do it... and so on

but yea i agree he duz do it a lot but reasonable doubt is classic

Bone Collecta
05-24-2006, 10:47 PM
Cam couldnt hold jay-z's mic

Jay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cam

INF
05-25-2006, 12:30 AM
Fuck this mf. Whoever put this thread up, thanx. I been knowin a few times here and there where he stole and it was never cool with me but the only ones I was catchin was big and snoop. I caught the slick rick but didnt realize how the rulers back was damn near a 100 percent copy. This shit is fucked up. Why has it taken so long for this to happen? was muthafuckas afraid to say it fully and expose this bitch when he was around? Why was he allowed to go all the way to the top like that? These are Q's that I'm askin myself right now. I'm thrown all his shit out. This right here is the end. My boys been tryin to get me to this point for years now an I just wouldnt hear it. SMH. This mf use to be my favorite MC for maaaaaaad years. When you put it all together though, it's sick how his art could spark anybodys attention. He's a fake. Flat out fuckin fake.


Anybody heard Jeru the Damaja's - The Bullshit ? ........yeah, listening to that track make me think of that fake ass bitch. He bullshit.

Jay-Z is bullshit.


One.:king:

Bone Collecta
05-25-2006, 12:50 AM
Cam is a biter too there is a mix of his bitten shit too

INF
05-25-2006, 12:58 AM
Cam is a biter too there is a mix of his bitten shit too

I never liked Cam. Ever. Thats real. That fake ass bitch Hov was somebody that I admired as an artist, an now he just make me sick. I was on my way to seein tha light, this Cam beef just forced it.


One.

tical2000
05-25-2006, 12:59 AM
Wow.......I like JAY-Z, but dude has bit a shitload of BIGGIE's rhymes.......wow

BRONZBODY
05-25-2006, 12:59 AM
yeah but he still shits all over cumron.......poo poo!!!

INF
05-25-2006, 01:06 AM
they both poopoo. Point blank. They give hip-hop a bad name. For real.

Murdah Piff
05-25-2006, 06:03 AM
Cam is a biter too there is a mix of his bitten shit too
post that shit you donatello pussy

Dante
05-25-2006, 09:26 AM
wow @ all the jay z hate...

i didnt know you guys were THAT anti mainstream...

you guys need to open your ears...not everything thats popular is bad.

word

and for the record; When Jigga is on point, he completly destroys pretty much any underground MC out there

Dante
05-25-2006, 09:28 AM
jay-z has always been over rated, while cam is original SDE>>Jay's catalogue

get ya swagger right

Reasonable Doubt >>> Cam'Ron's entire career

GhettoGnom
05-25-2006, 11:32 AM
wow....

cam'ron can't be compared to jay-z.....

Bone Collecta
05-25-2006, 12:30 PM
post that shit you donatello pussy

i dont have it but its out there

zeppelin2k
05-25-2006, 03:40 PM
reasonable doubt was ill

and this song isnt from cam ron its mad old

and jay z is way better than cam ron

energizer
05-25-2006, 04:21 PM
two things, the rulers back is jus like a remake jus like nas did da bridge sorta u no and also what is the line jay bit from cappa and wat songs are dey from

MarktheSpark
05-25-2006, 04:52 PM
C'mon now Jay-Z is tha man Dipset sucks ass he shouldnt never been born.

Funk_Dock
05-25-2006, 06:30 PM
post that shit you donatello pussy

well you look pretty stupid now :9

snapple
05-25-2006, 06:35 PM
this thread is wack because people on this fourm aren't familiar with hova or camron(they MAYBE know reasonable doubt or purple haze). close thread.

INF
05-25-2006, 06:52 PM
this thread is wack because people on this fourm aren't familiar with hova or camron(they MAYBE know reasonable doubt or purple haze). close thread.

Amen on closing this thread. It would only be a good idea to keep it open if ppl would see what these fake artist are doing to not only the game but the listener as well. I been watchin both since tha begining, I know what I am talkin about when I drop an opinion on these two. They are fake. They frauds to art. They are artist none the less though, but if you listen to what they are giving you then you'll see that its ignorance. They don't help the people in any positive way. Fuck em.

the surgeon
05-25-2006, 08:33 PM
man 2 much hate in hip hop these days sad day in hip hop when ppl say jay z is whack and has no skills and is a fraud

Murdah Piff
05-26-2006, 02:04 AM
well you look pretty stupid now :9
suck a bone collecta dick, no homo

Bone Collecta
05-26-2006, 02:22 AM
suck a bone collecta dick, no homo

smh u sound real stupid:mmmyah:

IronSheik
06-11-2006, 01:27 AM
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/9631/umad1tz.gif
haha....Cam'ron just couldn't take this 'Swagger Jacker' no more & with his disgust for Jigga, he EXPOSES his fakeness and PROOVES hes been bitin Biggie & even the likes of Pac who clowned him & basically penned the 'Gay-Z' name back in 96
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8&search=jay%20z%20

lol...Gay-Z responds (click on pic)
http://mi2.bpcdn.us/Youngstaz/gay-z.jpg (http://ariesspears.com/home/feataudio/JayZDMXRap.m4a)

MaShPG
06-11-2006, 01:56 AM
guess what though......

JAY-Z>>>Cam'Ron

if you dissagree with that kill yourself.

IronSheik
06-12-2006, 11:24 PM
regardless....Cam NEVER says he is or is claimin 2 be......all hes doin is prooving his point......backed up with hella proof of what a BITIN ass fag Gay really is

tical2000
06-12-2006, 11:28 PM
this thread is wack because people on this fourm aren't familiar with hova or camron(they MAYBE know reasonable doubt or purple haze). close thread.

what the fuck are you talking about.......I WOULD NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM, IF I WAS YOU.......I am a hova fan, and have been listening to CAM's wack ass since he was making pop rap with MASE, and lookin gay on album covers.....

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000007T5A.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V51189793_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000007T5A/ref=dp_image_0/002-4898403-4588067?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music)

GhettoGnom
06-13-2006, 07:13 AM
guess what though......

JAY-Z>>>Cam'Ron

if you dissagree with that kill yourself.

nuff said, close the fucking thread!

Da Problem Child
06-13-2006, 07:22 AM
Jay still my nigga i jam to Jay-z,but i think them niggas underestimate cam to much.That verse he got on the "It's goin down" beat was tight imo.

'he out of retirement Jordan on the wizards"

^^^That shit had me laughing all day

IronSheik
06-22-2006, 07:59 PM
what the fuck are you talking about.......I WOULD NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM, IF I WAS YOU.......I am a hova fan, and have been listening to CAM's wack ass since he was making pop rap with MASE, and lookin gay on album covers.....
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000007T5A.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V51189793_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000007T5A/ref=dp_image_0/002-4898403-4588067?%5Fencoding=UTF8&n=5174&s=music)

haha....r u seriously trying to compare covers? this aint nothing compared to these DICK RIDIN' album covers

The gesture/sign for sucking COCK:
http://www.dunation.com/images/news/jayzcd-cover.gif

Insert COCK here "I also jack signs like this one I stole this from Diamond Dallas Page":
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000050HS9.03.MZZZZZZZ.jpg


Sucking it good "Oh, you know I can DEEP THROAT":
http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/dre900/e936/e93667m2htv.jpg

More sucking:
http://www.rapreviews.com/coverart/jayz_blue21.jpg


yea close this thread cuz im sick of hearin these DICK RIDIN' Gay-Z fans tryin to talk smack.....instead of acknowledging the fact that CAM is on point with what he's sayin, u tryin to attack him? remember, it was Gay-Z that signed him to his COCKaFella Records so he's approved all those album covers & what not


________________
"You can tell from my lips I suck and since I can't step to dudes, I beat up on girls":
http://myspace-368.vo.llnwd.net/00595/86/33/595203368_l.gif

the surgeon
06-22-2006, 08:22 PM
hater man going on about gay shit about ducking dick u need 2 grow up ur not feeling him fine dont go getting up pictures from album covers saying how he sucks dick and btw 2 say u know hiphop and say camron is better than hov now is bull shit whose got better punch lines,better flow.i know everyones got Opinions but come on

MaShPG
06-22-2006, 08:50 PM
right dude, why you always bumping this topic up with hate. did jay-z fuck your girl or something?

brown_dogg
06-22-2006, 09:06 PM
haha....Cam'ron just couldn't take this 'Swagger Jacker' no more & with his disgust for Jigga, he EXPOSES his fakeness and PROOVES hes been bitin Biggie & even the likes of Pac who clowned him & basically penned the 'Gay-Z' name back in 96
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bED9wMqQ1i8&search=jay%20z%20




there's also one for cam'ron too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9t5JV5nMIM&search=f%2Ack%20cam%27ron

i dunno if it's posted yet in this thread.

they, along with most other rappers, bite lines.
cam'ron's just the bigger hypocrite.

LRRdragon
06-23-2006, 11:49 PM
Fukin laughin at all u guys its funny just readin this shit cuz there are alot of ignorant cats on this thread not sayin all of u jus most of u. Good job postin this thread to whoever cuz u made me realizie that i waz rite that there r too many guys pretendin to be deep in the game by sayin "fuk mainstream man i am strictly underground" nothin wrong wit it jus tryin to come off to strong/hard n then sayin jay suks dik n callin him gay-z heheheh fukin dumbasses
when to be honest hes not sittin over the computer after watchin porn on the internet n typin on this thread n sayin how he hates whoever, why cuz to be honest he has beyonce n a couple million dollars(if he iz readin this thats probably what he'll say or jus laugh cuz he knows n i know that most of the ppl on here are either geeks of anime n happen to lik hip-hop but don't really understand the lyrics jus quote em at the bottom of ur little thread shit n act lik u cool when really u never sold weight been harassed by cops or even got in a fight. And em i sayin ur real cuz u did this?, hell no just sayin were to navie to really know wtf iz really happenin thats why if ur wonderin why "mainstream artists" get so much play n ppl lik jay n thats y cam n jay hav money) also cam bitts ruinin hip-hop blah blah blah but he iz also pullin money n hos
so tell me who iz the real loser the dude gettin money n girls for writtin/bittin garbage or the 1 wit no life whos probably 20 somthin (aren't u suppose to be partyin) or even 12,13(if ur wonerin i am 16) well then ur just a dumbass kid who would step in the hood n get his ass kick while screamin "i am cool i lik underground"(watch chapell show to know what i am talkin bout if u don't understand me) n if ur 30 somthin just hang urself u hav no life on this forum/thread wit no money(not countin ur parents) n no good rhymes even, so don't say ur better or else u be gettin money n be haressed by these "badass underground music guys" cuz ur gettin money for rhymes they don't lik now tell me would u care if these forum guys r writtin this shit if ur cam or jay?
But anywayz i am neutral in this cuz i don't lik them both so i could careless jus laugh at them savatagin themselves. And if u really want to make a difference kill 1 of them cuz i know there iz a crazy white kid wit guns n bombs in his basement n end it in stead of writtin ur forum(and if so please do cuz i don't feel lik goin to jail n just to let u know the killin will create a whole bunch of mix tapes wit recycled lyrics like tupac except therre be re-recycled) if not then shut the fuk up.
N for any1 who would even want to read this long ass shit take this n think about it.
N for the rest of y'all callin me names lik ur gay n shit lik that whatevea after u read this i don't care(by the way i know there iz goin to be a dumbass sayin ur gay to me just cuz i said i don't care) n the other people sayin ur a hypocrite cuz ur own this forum well this iz my last 1 just in case ur wonderin y i wrote so much.
- peace wu-tang 4evea

energizer
06-23-2006, 11:55 PM
who cares if you never sold weight or been harrassed, cuz if you have sure, you feel what they sayin but it still gets played out, thas like watching star wars and then wen someone raps about star wars ur like oo yeaaaaa :) but they continue to do it non stop and others do it as well
yes bad analogy but still

GhettoGnom
06-24-2006, 05:24 PM
AND BITCHES NEED TO STOP SAYING GAY-Z, G-UNOT, GAY-UNOT etc!!!!! Wack ass motherfuckas!

Godbrother
06-25-2006, 09:15 AM
It seem Jay is all about his image, Like evertyhing is a front

Godbrother
06-25-2006, 09:16 AM
It seem Jay is all about his image, Like evertyhing is a front
Temple of Hip Hop, WU Tang, Wu Latino

IronSheik
06-25-2006, 12:21 PM
there's also one for cam'ron too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9t5JV5nMIM&search=f%2Ack%20cam%27ron
i dunno if it's posted yet in this thread.
they, along with most other rappers, bite lines.
cam'ron's just the bigger hypocrite.

yo...At least Cam has variety in who he bites from. And yeah all the shit he "Bit" is only on mixtapes, Jay spits that shit for his albums. BIG difference. And Cam pays homage, Jay just takes the credit. Only reason people say that Jay pays homage is cuz he got his ass exposed.

heres a funny ass diss video: Cam'ron Shoots Jay-Z (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4RGnYFIAPg) / Behind The Scenes-The Making Of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9xbUAQbQqY)

Dick_Greyson
08-29-2006, 10:22 PM
this is old and this is a blatent hate thread he obviously is talented hes got mad punch lines and even GZA has respect 4 him.Some ppl need 2 grow the fuck up can u come out wid an album every year and go on tour and get respect from nearly every MC is=n the industry and have some of the most versatile flows.Hes got 1 classic and another arguable classic so stop hating on the man


This late as hell but... Ain't no hate folk. Just funny how some artist bite and get crucified, but Jay bites and he's the so called best rapper alive. Sum em ain't right here. And I've noticed dat alotta peeps try to excuse Jay's biting by saying other rappers do it. BUT! Jay's supposed to be da illest in da game and them other artists who bite are just names in ah crowd of faces, or in other words they considered to be average at best. If thatís the case then Jay should be average at best regardless of how much you like his sound or whatever...He basically committed one of hip hops deadly sins. Bitin ain't cool no matter how u slice it.

tajeco
08-29-2006, 10:31 PM
Sounds like he's publicity hungry. I ignore everything the turd says, and I'll ignore this. With his pink fur and pink Range Rover.

MNice90
08-29-2006, 10:34 PM
FUCK DIPSET, the can't rap for shit, all they rhyme or better yet, sing, about is Cars and girls, how original

IronSheik
08-29-2006, 10:48 PM
yo...i aint reppin for no dipset fags or gay-z.....all im sayin is that some1 stepped 2 him & had several valid points

im a WU fan and jay spits garbage while GzA brings the knowledge so there is no comparison......problem is like Bronze says: "Wu-Tang gave you knowledge, but yall just wanted to dance" & thas why these fags get over and have runied hip hop when they're not really hip hop & they jus pop

GzA said he battled him once back in the day & he was aight but he never gave him no respect in terms of lyrical content....in fact he's is a strong believer in writing rhymes & no freestyle bs while jay is the exact opposite so theres no way GzA would be feelin that or respectin anything either since that totally goes against his beliefs & style........go listen & read to some GzA interview cuz he always discusses that

any1 who thinks jay is anywhere near the best rapper alive shouldnt even be on the Wu Corp forums......NaS murked him and then he retired to be the so called 'President' but we all know he's just a puppet to Island/Def Jam execs

snapple
08-30-2006, 02:04 AM
yo...i aint reppin for no dipset fags or gay-z.....all im sayin is that some1 stepped 2 him & had several valid points

im a WU fan and jay spits garbage while GzA brings the knowledge so there is no comparison......problem is like Bronze says: "Wu-Tang gave you knowledge, but yall just wanted to dance" & thas why these fags get over and have runied hip hop when they're not really hip hop & they jus pop

GzA said he battled him once back in the day & he was aight but he never gave him no respect in terms of lyrical content....in fact he's is a strong believer in writing rhymes & no freestyle bs while jay is the exact opposite so theres no way GzA would be feelin that or respectin anything either since that totally goes against his beliefs & style........go listen & read to some GzA interview cuz he always discusses that

any1 who thinks jay is anywhere near the best rapper alive shouldnt even be on the Wu Corp forums......NaS murked him and then he retired to be the so called 'President' but we all know he's just a puppet to Island/Def Jam execs

if jay spits garbage youre not a fan of hiphop...how can u be a wu-tang fan and recognize wu-tang but you can't recognize jayz's greatness? is it because there is no shaolin gimmick for hov, hes got the hustler swag going on is that why?

nas merked him? son have u ever heard any of the diss tracks? jayz has always been an ill freeestlyer, hes a complete MC, GZA gave him daps for being ill at that and tried to be hymble about losing a battle....please GZA doesnt beleive in using pre-writtens youre not even a GZA fan you havent even heard GZA freestyles, the only one that comes off the top right away is in the basement and there is NO WAY youre gonna say GZA freestyled that. youre just wrong in so many ways....

Dante
08-30-2006, 09:36 AM
Cam'ron is just a pawn compared to Hov

snapple
08-30-2006, 12:28 PM
^^i love how people just talk for the sake of talking....

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
08-30-2006, 06:47 PM
if jay spits garbage youre not a fan of hiphop...how can u be a wu-tang fan and recognize wu-tang but you can't recognize jayz's greatness? is it because there is no shaolin gimmick for hov, hes got the hustler swag going on is that why?

nas merked him? son have u ever heard any of the diss tracks? jayz has always been an ill freeestlyer, hes a complete MC, GZA gave him daps for being ill at that and tried to be hymble about losing a battle....please GZA doesnt beleive in using pre-writtens youre not even a GZA fan you havent even heard GZA freestyles, the only one that comes off the top right away is in the basement and there is NO WAY youre gonna say GZA freestyled that. youre just wrong in so many ways....

c/s

Dick_Greyson
08-31-2006, 12:19 AM
if jay spits garbage youre not a fan of hiphop...how can u be a wu-tang fan and recognize wu-tang but you can't recognize jayz's greatness? is it because there is no shaolin gimmick for hov, hes got the hustler swag going on is that why?

nas merked him? son have u ever heard any of the diss tracks? jayz has always been an ill freeestlyer, hes a complete MC, GZA gave him daps for being ill at that and tried to be hymble about losing a battle....please GZA doesnt beleive in using pre-writtens youre not even a GZA fan you havent even heard GZA freestyles, the only one that comes off the top right away is in the basement and there is NO WAY youre gonna say GZA freestyled that. youre just wrong in so many ways....


DAMN das sooo incorrect. You ain't gotta be ah fan of Jay to be ah fan of Hip hop. Do u seriously think jigga's god's gift to rap? hell no. Dude bites, dats been proven...if you say thats paying homage then you're clearly foolin yaself...he's extremely overrated and in my opinion he's never had a classic. His flow is normal, nuthin new... rhymes partially stolen and his style...what style? Plus he's more money bitches and whips than knowledge.. Its all good to make yo mills and shit but damn how fake do you hafta be? Jay said himself that he dumbs his shit down for da masses dats fake as hell to me. And peeps like to bring up this shit about him doing songs in one take. Hell if i bit 50% of my lyrics i could do ah song in one take too. Whether you think he's paying homage or not it doesn't dispute the fact dat that shit ain't his words. Dats da bottom line. Never mind street cred...record sales... and fan bases...Its been proven time and time again dat da masses (not in its entirety) are ignorant and believe everything they hear or see. So Jay starts yell i'm da best rapper alive and dumb asses repeat it. Down here in da south they callin lil Wayne da best rapper alive and people believe it...WTF!? And T.I. is notorious for payin radio stations to play his shit when no damn body requested dat shit but he's da king of the south? WTF!? In all my years of listenin to hip hop i've never been able to understand how rap fans think. But its obvious they ain't thinkin clearly.

Oh and hell yeah Nas killed em. Its funny to me how even down in Ga. we heard every Jay diss but the only Nas diss track dat got out was ether. Hell the radio stations were force feeding us every diss Jay sent out. Nasí gotta track on Godís son dat exposes Jay for the coward dat he is, but you donít hear none of dat on da radio. Them clowns let you hear what they want u to hear if u listen to EVERY diss track from both sides itíll be clear dat Nas was the winner. Jay tried to diss da manís character but Nas went right after Jayís career and lyrical talent. In the battle for whoís da king of rap whatís more important yo off stage life...or yo lyrics? Answer dat question and youíll figure out who won da battle.

Dante
08-31-2006, 09:13 AM
[quote=Dick_Greyson;569730]DAMN das sooo incorrect. You ain't gotta be ah fan of Jay to be ah fan of Hip hop. Do u seriously think jigga's god's gift to rap? hell no. Dude bites, dats been proven...if you say thats paying homage then you're clearly foolin yaself...he's extremely overrated and in my opinion he's never had a classic. His flow is normal, nuthin new... rhymes partially stolen and his style...what style? quote]


You obviously have never heard Reasonable Doubt, which is better than most rappers entire catalouges, and i don't see any MC fucking with his flow

TSA
08-31-2006, 10:49 AM
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But whether you agree hes bitin or not, you have to agree Jay is one of the IF not most overrated MCs ever!


respek definet, Jay is the most overrated person alive, it's cause he promoted himself well though. Ppl say he's a legend cause he's popular, but Snoop is the most recognizable rapper on the planet, and J is put above him, even in the late 90s when J was at his peak of fame, DMX was def jams top act, lyrically he's not even impressive 80% of the time.

Dante
08-31-2006, 11:01 AM
"Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?" - Jay-Z describing about 85% of wutangcorp

snapple
08-31-2006, 11:10 AM
what do you fuckers define as lyrcism i would love to know.

IronSheik
08-31-2006, 11:42 AM
please GZA doesnt beleive in using pre-writtens youre not even a GZA fan you havent even heard GZA freestyles, the only one that comes off the top right away is in the basement and there is NO WAY youre gonna say GZA freestyled that. youre just wrong in so many ways....

wtf? who da fuk said he doesnt believe in pre-writtens? why dont u go back and re-read what i wrote....u fukin blind son? i said thas all he does and dont fuk with the freestyle bs


any REAL HIP HOP fan (includes WU fans) KNOW that fags like jigga spit garbage......u gonna seriously try 2 compare that bs to WU?

so for all u dick ridin jigga fans......"fuk all yall analog niggaz, we be digital!"

snapple
08-31-2006, 11:46 AM
wtf? who da fuk said he doesnt believe in pre-writtens? why dont u go back and re-read what i wrote....u fukin blind son? i said thas all he does and dont fuk with the freestyle bs


any REAL HIP HOP fan (includes WU fans) KNOW that fags like jigga spit garbage......u gonna seriously try 2 compare that bs to WU?

so for all u dick ridin jigga fans......"fuk all yall analog niggaz, we be digital!"


dick riding jigga fans, who the fuck are you, and how long have u been bumpin, what u mad that Reasonable doubt got more worldwide recogniztion then OB4CL, nah i think you're the dickrider mang you got it all twisted and are sleeping on hova when he was in his prime.

riddla
08-31-2006, 12:06 PM
jay-z has always been over rated, while cam is original SDE>>Jay's catalogue

get ya swagger right

theres a cam'ron version too.....hes done his fair share of biting too...

Icurus
08-31-2006, 12:07 PM
All I got to say is that most mc be biting, so that could be anybody.

tekunique
08-31-2006, 12:19 PM
Jay Z is DJ Jazzy Joice...

M.I.C Diesel
08-31-2006, 12:30 PM
Everybody bitin in one form or context these days. From when you influenced by anything, that's gonna come through in one form or fashion.

It's all about outweighing the influence with your own persona. I'd say Jay & Camron do that. My oppinion on either is irrelevent.

PEACE

jallainINS
08-31-2006, 12:55 PM
IMO im not a jay z fan or cam'ron that was before i heard all this BS. respect em for doin they thing but i dont listen to their music. simple as that.

Dick_Greyson
08-31-2006, 01:39 PM
You obviously have never heard Reasonable Doubt, which is better than most rappers entire catalouges, and i don't see any MC fucking with his flow[/quote]

Kiddin me? Everybody brings up dat album when i talk about Jay. Da shit was so so... Normal. Nuthin new. Nuthin special... Dude touched on some deep shit here and there. LOL hell lots ah rappers do dat... I can't honestly imagine any Jay album competin against any GZA, Raekwon, GFK, or Eminem album. I feel as if you shouldn't be allowed to say dem niggas names in da same sentence. Its propaganda and bullshit corporate politics dat sold Reasonable Doubt and made it a so called classic. I doubt any of Jay's albums would survive outside of New York with no commercial support.


I'm makin short term goals,whonder whether foes
just put away the leathers and put ice on the gold
chilly with enough bail money to free a big willy
high stakes, i got more at stake than philly
shoppin sprees, copin three, duece fever i guess its fully loaded,
ah yes,
bouncin in the lex luger, tires smoke like buddha
50 g's to the crap shooter,
niggas can't fade me
chrome socks beamin, through my periphial i see ya schemin
stop dreamin',i leave ya body steamin
niggas is feenin, whats the meanin
i'm leanin on any nigga intervenin with the sound of my money machine-in
my cuff runnin over with hundreds
im one of the best niggas that done it
six digits and runnin,
y'all niggas don't want it
i got the godfather flow, the don juan demarco
swear to god, don't get it fucked up - Jay- Z

Tell me dat shit ain't superficial and madd materialistic... I think i heard lil flip, T.I., Jeezy, Wayne and so many others rap about da same shit.

IronSheik
08-31-2006, 03:14 PM
dick riding jigga fans, who the fuck are you, and how long have u been bumpin, what u mad that Reasonable doubt got more worldwide recogniztion then OB4CL, nah i think you're the dickrider mang you got it all twisted and are sleeping on hova when he was in his prime.

why the fuk are u even in the Corp forums bitch? u wanna hate on Cuban Links and compare a classic gem like that to some wack ass mainstream album on Def Jam that got mad radio play? REAL HIP HOP heads know wssup & damn sure realize u dick ridin fags that like this jiggy pop/r&b shit....that aint REAL HIP HOP

lets be clear that i never liked jay....from back when Pac was dissin him on Makaveli with that fake ass fast rap bs

this fag is even shittin on Meth now: check it (http://www.sendspace.com/file/99kdr2)& now as 'Mr. President' he shittin on every1 from Ghost to Red & Meth. he dont want them to shine cuz of his faggot ass ego.....hes still thinks he can be the best MC even though he's the 'boss'. Now hes releasing another album like hes gonna save Def Jam....all bs as this faggot should step down before HIP HOP IS DEAD like NaS says....

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
08-31-2006, 03:28 PM
DAMN das sooo incorrect. You ain't gotta be ah fan of Jay to be ah fan of Hip hop. Do u seriously think jigga's god's gift to rap? hell no. Dude bites, dats been proven...if you say thats paying homage then you're clearly foolin yaself...he's extremely overrated and in my opinion he's never had a classic. His flow is normal, nuthin new... rhymes partially stolen and his style...what style? Plus he's more money bitches and whips than knowledge.. Its all good to make yo mills and shit but damn how fake do you hafta be? Jay said himself that he dumbs his shit down for da masses dats fake as hell to me. And peeps like to bring up this shit about him doing songs in one take. Hell if i bit 50% of my lyrics i could do ah song in one take too. Whether you think he's paying homage or not it doesn't dispute the fact dat that shit ain't his words. Dats da bottom line. Never mind street cred...record sales... and fan bases...Its been proven time and time again dat da masses (not in its entirety) are ignorant and believe everything they hear or see. So Jay starts yell i'm da best rapper alive and dumb asses repeat it. Down here in da south they callin lil Wayne da best rapper alive and people believe it...WTF!? And T.I. is notorious for payin radio stations to play his shit when no damn body requested dat shit but he's da king of the south? WTF!? In all my years of listenin to hip hop i've never been able to understand how rap fans think. But its obvious they ain't thinkin clearly.

Oh and hell yeah Nas killed em. Its funny to me how even down in Ga. we heard every Jay diss but the only Nas diss track dat got out was ether. Hell the radio stations were force feeding us every diss Jay sent out. Nasí gotta track on Godís son dat exposes Jay for the coward dat he is, but you donít hear none of dat on da radio. Them clowns let you hear what they want u to hear if u listen to EVERY diss track from both sides itíll be clear dat Nas was the winner. Jay tried to diss da manís character but Nas went right after Jayís career and lyrical talent. In the battle for whoís da king of rap whatís more important yo off stage life...or yo lyrics? Answer dat question and youíll figure out who won da battle.

you sound like a fucking idiot saying dat all the time

snapple
08-31-2006, 03:39 PM
why the fuk are u even in the Corp forums bitch? u wanna hate on Cuban Links and compare a classic gem like that to some wack ass mainstream album on Def Jam that got mad radio play? REAL HIP HOP heads know wssup & damn sure realize u dick ridin fags that like this jiggy pop/r&b shit....that aint REAL HIP HOP

lets be clear that i never liked jay....from back when Pac was dissin him on Makaveli with that fake ass fast rap bs

this fag is even shittin on Meth now: check it (http://www.sendspace.com/file/99kdr2)& now as 'Mr. President' he shittin on every1 from Ghost to Red & Meth. he dont want them to shine cuz of his faggot ass ego.....hes still thinks he can be the best MC even though he's the 'boss'. Now hes releasing another album like hes gonna save Def Jam....all bs as this faggot should step down before HIP HOP IS DEAD like NaS says....


you're so delusional i was not hating on OB4CL, did i attack the album at all? no, i attacked the fact that its a certified hood classic and thats it. Reasonable doubt your sister probably owns. reasonable doubt reached the masses, OB4CL had a bigger impact to hiphop though. I dont have it twisted one bit, and Nas may be nice with the pen but his word doesnt mean much.

Jon Quest
08-31-2006, 06:53 PM
he pays homage when he bites....there was no bitin on reasonable doubt...jay z is a legend

Dick_Greyson
08-31-2006, 11:31 PM
you sound like a fucking idiot saying dat all the time

u sound like you're tryin to diss me and dismiss what i said. Normal reaction for people with nothing to say.

Dick_Greyson
08-31-2006, 11:37 PM
he pays homage when he bites....there was no bitin on reasonable doubt...jay z is a legend

So i guess master-p was just payin homage to Pac with dat only god can judge me shit? Cuz people really thought he was bitin...hmmm funny. Maybe its not what you do but who you are that makes you either a biter or a respectful artist who recognizes past greats. And i guess everybody with a few platinum albums are legends huh?

IronSheik
09-01-2006, 11:56 AM
and Nas may be nice with the pen but his word doesnt mean much.

fine but he still killed it on Ether and won the so called battle.....we didnt hear shit from jay after that.....so every1 knows wssup there

anyway....im done with this & ive already commented on what jay has done to hip hop.......some1 said he pays homage? fine.....then his ENTIRE catalog is jus payin homage to MC's from NaS to Big to Snoop so he cant say he's the GOAT or king of NY, etc. since he recycles other artists rhymes consistently

bottom line is.......i never have and never felt jay's style....his wordplay is wack 2 me and his commercial success came from him being a 'Pop Artist' & jus being consistent.......releasing an album every year from when Reasonable Doubt dropped....his catalog got him over


but for example when GzA drops an album its a gem & damn near close 2 bein a CLASSIC everytime but none of jay's shit comes anywhere near that

"ahhh well maybe 1 of them shits is due...." (Reasonable Doubt like some u think so we'll give em that)...."lets see thas a 1 hit album every 10 years & thas so LAAAAAAAME!!!!!"

snapple
09-01-2006, 12:50 PM
funny thing is you didnt' even know hova was biting untill he had beef with cam, you know it all "god"

IronSheik
09-03-2006, 01:00 AM
funny thing is you didnt' even know hova was biting untill he had beef with cam, you know it all "god"

who da fuk said i didnt know jay was bitin until beef w/cam?......if u went back and read this entire thread from the beginning ull see that i pointed out that cam was the one who finally exposed jay (prooved it on wax that lotta jay's catalog was bitten) whether he's not a better MC than jay or not is not the point

& jay may have talent....nobody contests that but he's no where near any of the REAL all-time top tier MCs.......he even got murked by NaS after his sad lil diss track.....but NaS put him into retirement with Ether & now he signs him to DefJam & they're 'best friends' like how cam says on his diss track....haha

INF
09-03-2006, 01:34 AM
he pays homage when he bites....there was no bitin on reasonable doubt...jay z is a legend

Yes, he did some biting on RD.

Dante
09-03-2006, 04:47 AM
You obviously have never heard Reasonable Doubt, which is better than most rappers entire catalouges, and i don't see any MC fucking with his flow

Kiddin me? Everybody brings up dat album when i talk about Jay. Da shit was so so... Normal. Nuthin new. Nuthin special... Dude touched on some deep shit here and there. LOL hell lots ah rappers do dat... I can't honestly imagine any Jay album competin against any GZA, Raekwon, GFK, or Eminem album. I feel as if you shouldn't be allowed to say dem niggas names in da same sentence. Its propaganda and bullshit corporate politics dat sold Reasonable Doubt and made it a so called classic. I doubt any of Jay's albums would survive outside of New York with no commercial support.


I'm makin short term goals,whonder whether foes
just put away the leathers and put ice on the gold
chilly with enough bail money to free a big willy
high stakes, i got more at stake than philly
shoppin sprees, copin three, duece fever i guess its fully loaded,
ah yes,
bouncin in the lex luger, tires smoke like buddha
50 g's to the crap shooter,
niggas can't fade me
chrome socks beamin, through my periphial i see ya schemin
stop dreamin',i leave ya body steamin
niggas is feenin, whats the meanin
i'm leanin on any nigga intervenin with the sound of my money machine-in
my cuff runnin over with hundreds
im one of the best niggas that done it
six digits and runnin,
y'all niggas don't want it
i got the godfather flow, the don juan demarco
swear to god, don't get it fucked up - Jay- Z

Tell me dat shit ain't superficial and madd materialistic... I think i heard lil flip, T.I., Jeezy, Wayne and so many others rap about da same shit.

[/quote]


LOL at you mentinoning Eminem, none of his albums come anywhere near RD, GZA and Rae have only ONE album that is better than RD, actually to be honest i like RD more than OB4CL, i like LS more than RD tho, and i like RD more than any of Ghost albums, and im a huge Wu fan, im just not a blind hater like yourself. TI and Lil Flip may have the same CONTENT as Jay in RD, but guess what? So did Rae on Cuban Linx, and Nas on IWW. But it's alright when they do it because you like them right? Jay's lyricism on RD was amazing, great punchlines, sick wordplay ect...GZA is the only Wu member thats lyrically up there with Jay, even GZA himself has said that Jay is a very clever MC.

snapple
09-03-2006, 10:47 AM
^^all rappers say the same shit, it's how hova said it...he was lyrical...a lot of yall seem to not understand what lyrcism is. dropping knowledge does not make an MC lyrical by any means. being lyrical has to do with structure.

maestro wooz
09-03-2006, 01:25 PM
god, how do you people hate on reasonable doubt. I can understand hating on jay, but reasonable doubt??? are you serious??? that shit is certified 100% greatness, wake the fuck up

Dante
09-03-2006, 02:07 PM
^^all rappers say the same shit, it's how hova said it...he was lyrical...a lot of yall seem to not understand what lyrcism is. dropping knowledge does not make an MC lyrical by any means. being lyrical has to do with structure.


EXACTLY, and NOT too many MC's are fucking with Hov's structure.

INF
09-03-2006, 02:28 PM
Here it is , plain and simple - Cam ruined the ROC. The feud between Dame an Jay closed the deal. These cats dont even need to be talked about when we got so much other things to talk about in hip hop. For real. We got mf's like the Wu maintaining four years after Rae said they only had a few fights left in em. It's Wu tang forever for real, that shit is serious. You got a Lyrical beast breakin records an he in a wheel chair fightin with the other half of him. The two mf's combined is a force to not be messed with. You got all types a shit going on right now an talkin bout these cats aint got no purpose. In a world where words produce action like they do , I would think that ppl are tired of The ROC altogether. idk.......

IronSheik
07-25-2012, 01:57 AM
the father to jay's style....main dude that he stabbed in the back and snaked to get what he has but all these kats like Beanie should have learned from that

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june181972
07-25-2012, 10:53 AM
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1:00 - 1:10 = I Just Wanna Love U (Give it to Me)

Shadow Demon
07-25-2012, 11:33 AM
Money breeds envy

whether Jay is wack or not his huge amount of wealth and fame relative to the likes of Camron, pisses rappers like Camron off

these disses dont mean shit to Jay Z because hes getting paid more than Camron

id suggest these bitter rappers spend more time on their craft