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Stevan
05-25-2006, 04:03 PM
Lately i ve been thinking and i ve been questioning stuff... and some other stuff
and when i was resting from that i came to the topic of music later on
and so of course The Wu
And again thinking here and there... why this...and why that
So i came to the conclusion that the reason for me listening to Wu is
in the first>>> instrumentals (even thoe the best songs are actualy tooken samples that i like... so untill someone sits down and learns to play this instruments not much credit)
and then of course lyrics... that stand out from the majority of other raps
actually when you poot these two together you get a lot beter whole that is called WU (even thoe RZA produced gathered and kept the whole crew together) if there wasnt someone who would link these people together to a degree who knows where it would all end up ( i can already imagine the situation of every single WU fan walking by Ol Dirty not giving a second to think other that "Stupid High Bum" while he screams on the street out fun/ or money/ or whatever high that made him do that... but im glad he did)
Oh what was I talking about... Ah hbhhhhh yes
The Wu tang... well thats why... and now to get back to the other thing..
i never compleatly liked the 5 percent situation in their music... not untill i started really listening to what they were saying instead of banging my head while wasted. And i realized i dont dig that...
I relly liked some of the "wisdom" they droped... i dont think i ever heard of Nation of Godz and Earths before i heard the WU. I mean some lines really sounded inspireing and they still do but when i put thi thing in a whole its garbage. Religion that is not a religion but in fact a liberation movement for freeing the minds of black (and all other people) with the white person being the devil>>> not because he is the devil or because the NGE are racists but just for the past he had done but thats cool now
but lets still keep the devil white... whtf??? Just say it with me WHITE devil. And then you preach shit about equality. Never mind the the whole BLACK ORIGINAL MAN.And the whole thing "we are not muslims but in every line you hear ALLAH. Its like a religion on a primitive level. The whole think looks like a oposite "NIgga" thing that the whites did to black. Itwas made to make the black people stan up agains the whites (more or less) amd im glad it worked. But this doesnt stand for long... when you read the sentence twice its ignorant. It needs to grow and evolve... no... wait it already should have evolved. Like i said i like parts of it... and i mean PARTS... and thats just because these are all they are--- PARTS. Its made of parts of random ideas that made some sense(in their own way)
borowed ways of thinking and randomly inserted

The hardcore real poetry lines makes me listen to them mostly. Whenever the preaching bull i aint so impresed no more



p.s. i am not agains it or anything, nor am i disagreeing JUST because it says that the "devil is white" like some might asume
irt just holds no weight in any direction

venex
05-25-2006, 04:17 PM
you get this whole thing wrong!

first of all, you shouldn't talk about the NGE, because of you only heard about them tru the WU TANG.

you need to search the 5% !!! you are listening to the vision of the WU-TANG (and it's flipped in rhymes)
, go to their site, and speak to members of the 5%

second of all,

you have white people being 5%ers, that DEVIL thing has other meanings then you think, that's why you need to learn about the 5% and not just what the WU says...


peace!


(same counts for people who have a problem wit whites saying "peace")

truth0ne
05-25-2006, 04:20 PM
Not to cause dissent or anything, but that shit wasn't made for y'all.
That's a known, well-documented fact.

They caught a little buzz in the mid 90's, blew up, captured that White boy segment and got paid in the process.

You might cop the albums, buy the gear, tattoo the logo on your shoulder... but that shit ain't built for y'all.

...

Now, my question to you is: How, as a White person do you identify with Wu, or even hip-hop in general?

Is it just something to bang out to while you get drunk?
Is it something to make yourself look "cool"?
Or is it in your blood?

venex
05-25-2006, 04:25 PM
is that question pointed at me ?

venex
05-25-2006, 04:26 PM
I just like hiphop, like 90% of the people on these boards, just like you,

black or white, hiphop is the same for all

LHX
05-25-2006, 04:29 PM
lmao

4-Bar Killer
05-25-2006, 04:31 PM
Not to cause dissent or anything, but that shit wasn't made for y'all.
That's a known, well-documented fact.

They caught a little buzz in the mid 90's, blew up, captured that White boy segment and got paid in the process.

You might cop the albums, buy the gear, tattoo the logo on your shoulder... but that shit ain't built for y'all.

...

Now, my question to you is: How, as a White person do you identify with Wu, or even hip-hop in general?

Is it just something to bang out to while you get drunk?
Is it something to make yourself look "cool"?
Or is it in your blood?

Damn.. I'll buy hip-hop albums that I like, and support the artists.. I'm personally not a person that'll get myself a tatoo.. But honestly, it seems as it is a problem for you? Of course hip-hop was started in the ghetto's in america (and "we" also lives in ghetto's, actually)... and I'm not trying to argue, cause you're right.. But maybe it wasnt build for "us", but I can't really see a problem with white people listening to hip-hop.. It's not like every white hip-hop fan is trying to act like he killed somebody and is ghetto or something.. Why is it a problem for you that different races likes the same type of music?.. I never even liked that "we", "us" and all that.. Music, and Hip-Hop is universal, and should be enjoyed by all people.. Fx Bob Marley's survival LP, that was made mostly for the people of Africa, but IMO it's only great that other races support and listens to that "project".. if it's helps in unity, then so be it..

WuTangWarrior
05-25-2006, 04:33 PM
calling the whites devils, saying black people are God and the creators of civilization, basically sounds like black supremacy. This is all i've read about NGE or NOI or 5%. I'd like to learn more about it though cause i cant judge it yet since i dont know anything about it, or atleast barely. What i said on top may not even be true, im not the kinda person that just says somethin and stays with it without understanding the whole thing. Dont get me wrong im not looking to change my ways or anything, i still believe in the religion Islam and will never stop, but i still wanna learn about this other stuff as well.

lao_tzu
05-25-2006, 04:41 PM
RZA has been asked many times about why so many of the wu-tang fans are white. I think he is proud that his music appeals to such a diverse audience. I think there's a quote about it in the manual. But, for me, music is music. Good music will have a wider appeal. Just because you like something doesn't neccesarily mean you can relate to it on every level. Sometimes you just want to hear a story, or maybe you just want to hear the amazing verbal gymnastics or Rza's grimey beats. Just because you watch a mafia movie doesn't mean you can relate to mobsters. Besides, when you really brake it down the only people wu-tang can totally relate to are themselves, or what about Ghostface Killa? I mean nobody can relate to alot of his shit. However, Ghost is gonna get on the mic and blow us away, you know why? Because he's an amazing lyricist.

White_Mouse
05-25-2006, 04:42 PM
i kinda see what Stevan is syaing. By saying that the Black man is god and u should worship yourself is a bit selfish and primitive. . . almost like the "Tower of Bable Story in the Bible (peep Genisis)

White_Mouse
05-25-2006, 04:44 PM
DOn't get me Wrong though. . . lyrically the Wu ad Brand Nubian are in my top ten favorite emcees of all time and are great influences on my music.

IronSheik
05-25-2006, 05:55 PM
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19603

GhostfaceThaPharoahe
05-25-2006, 05:58 PM
im not saying that blacks are better than whites, but the black man was the original man, it is impossible to make a black person from a white one because the gene is genetic recesive, but it is possible to have a white person from a black one, you have odd instances of people with black family being born white for whatever reason[jason kidd, mike bibby to name a few] but you dont have black people born from white parents, it is physically impossible, thats why when you mix asian, black or mexican with white, they look less white and more of the other ethnicity

THE W
05-25-2006, 06:07 PM
take the 5% ideology with a grain of salt and just enjoy the music. just because you like wu-tang doesnt mean you have to agree with their beliefs.

Stevan
05-25-2006, 06:25 PM
"calling the whites devils, saying black people are God and the creators of civilization, basically sounds like black supremacy. This is all i've read about NGE or NOI or 5%"



same goes for me


oh


and i have read all i could get my hands from on NGE before i even thought about posting this

i preety much wrote all i ment in the first post
so aint no point of repeating it to those who cant read

and now this is turning about "white people listening to rap"????

i really dont have a problem with that WHITE DEVIL enough to make it a color problem... i meant the whole concept of that movement(5%)


Black people slave the white people if the circumstances were the same
The only reason you jerk off about it that much is because you are alowed to do so... to keep you calm and shit

I mean races and cultures have disapeared thousands of years ago before black people were slaved and there are numerous other people and their ancestors who had/have MUCH more dramatic history and arent even mentioned not even as close as Africans... The only reason you preach about it so much is because "America is the land of the free"
90% of the rap that yall so honorably defend talks about bullshit...And again and aGAIN talk about "hoew it used to be when rap was alive back in the day" well guess what ...? when rap was alive back in the day you werent keting 1/10 of the money that you(black rappers or white whatever) are geting now. And every rapp video is "Oh look at my shit and how much money I have now look at how im gonna put this money in that hoe s ass... Oh and by the way no one wants to see the black man sucseed... If you(blacks) had any control or power in any part of the system(insead of the one that is fucking yourselves) you would do something... All that shit about drug money and worldwide mobsters maaaaaaan fuck off you aint controling anything and you call that money?
The same way AIDS is made in labs to kill the black population ( im wondering what race in what part of the worl is most afected by AIDS... hm.... hard question) and the white casulities are exeptable sacrifice if the "plan" goes well. Oh and i rememberd one more thing... In every movie the Black Man is the president(which of course will never hapen... maybe Michael Jackson... now that hes white) or chief of police

TAURO
05-25-2006, 06:45 PM
Your rant is beggining to sound like hate towards black people, be careful with the words you choose.

Damo
05-25-2006, 07:25 PM
"Your rant is beggining to sound like hate towards black people, be careful with the words you choose."

I agree Tauro. People should be careful with what they say, but doesn't "The white man is devil" sound like hate towards white people? Where is the warning to those who say these things to watch what words they choose? No disrespect, but why the double standard around here?

Edit:

Seriously... If a person posted "The black man is devil" and it was found that the person who posted that shit was white?! He and his momma would be banned for life from this shit and everything they ever posted here would be replaced with "I love to suck black cocks" and all this types of shit (I seen it happen to somebody who used to post here). WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD?

crass
05-25-2006, 07:35 PM
5%, like all other organized belief systems, is a crock of nonsense

Yasir Allah
05-25-2006, 08:07 PM
Peace

You people just make me laugh:) White people always trying to throw up this reverse racism bulls*&%. First off, we don't have the power to be racist in THIS day and time. There is not one black person right now that has the ability to deny whites of ANYTHING so therefore we cannot be racist. Now if you define racism as a deep hatred of whites, then the NGE does not represent that either. I have no problem with whites, I do not disrespect white people, nor do I oppress white people, but these are crimes the white race is guilty of against original people. Would I date a white woman? NO, do I choose to hang out with white people in my free time? NO, but that doesn't mean I hate whites. I may hang out with a white person if I feel he's cool enough.

Do I belive the white man is the Devil? No, I KNOW THE WHITE MAN IS DEVIL!! How do you know that? YOUR history books told me, and personal experience showed me. You name a group of people on this planet that has done more devilishment than the white man? The white man's greed, and lies he has told to the world is why we're all fucked up right now.

All of this fuss about the black man being God, the father of civilization, the white man being genetically inferior or devil, this is not opinion or lies this is FACT, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! If you don't agree that is fine, SHOW AND PROVE! Show and Prove the black man is not God. If I'm not God show and Prove your MYSTERY GOD. Show and Prove the Black man is not the father of civilization, you won't find any civilized group of whites before the Greeks, they were the first and learned from BLACK TEACHERS! Show and Prove the white man is not the Devil I have proof that he is do you have proof that he isn't???

crass
05-25-2006, 08:10 PM
blah blah blah. think for yourself, not some agenda handed to you on a beautiful platter.

and unless you're a scientist or a scholar don't peach about "FACT" ok? i hate this retarded white vs black that people love to start.

people can't help how they were born, i'm not trying to put you in shackles. i think 5% is bullshit and so is the propaganda you sling

THE W
05-25-2006, 08:24 PM
the ignorant blanket statement of "the white man is the devil" is rediculous.

it is true that europeans have oppressed many nations of people throughout history and continue to do it today but to lump every single caucasian person in one pot is just dumb.

do you really believe that white people are incapable of rightousness?

LORD ZERO
05-25-2006, 08:36 PM
It Aint Just Whites Who Are The Devil.........the Devil Resides In All Races, Even Blackz, Look At Da News For A Week And Tell Me What Race Gets Killed Off The Most On A Daily Basis In Your Own Front Yard, It May Have Been Just Whites Back In Those Times But Its 2006 Now, Everyone Is Dyin Over Crumbs In This Day And Age, It Cant Be Read In A Book But Seen In Front Of Your Own Eyes

LORD ZERO
05-25-2006, 08:38 PM
And All Races Are Capable Of Righteousness, From Here To Japan

TAURO
05-25-2006, 09:24 PM
"Your rant is beggining to sound like hate towards black people, be careful with the words you choose."

I agree Tauro. People should be careful with what they say, but doesn't "The white man is devil" sound like hate towards white people? Where is the warning to those who say these things to watch what words they choose? No disrespect, but why the double standard around here?

Edit:

Seriously... If a person posted "The black man is devil" and it was found that the person who posted that shit was white?! He and his momma would be banned for life from this shit and everything they ever posted here would be replaced with "I love to suck black cocks" and all this types of shit (I seen it happen to somebody who used to post here). WHY THE DOUBLE STANDARD?

For the record I also don't agree with the stuff coming fron the 5% nation, and you are right to say that if a black person says the white man is the devil it is a double standard..in a sense, but like someone has said already reverse racism towards white people does not have the same effect than being the other way round. White people hold nearly all the control in this world, they hold nearly all the top corporate positions and most live in up market housing areas while black people for the most part live in poor dilapidated housing and are unable to find employment. Is this all the fault of white people?, not entirly but they have been responsible for the positioning of ethnic minorites in underprivllaged areas. Because of the strong foothold white people have in the world the notion of racism towards them basicly becomes redundant. Look at it this way the white man is a metaphor for success while the black man is a metaphor for poverty, if a white man verbally abuses a black man it is like kicking someone when their down, while if it's the other way around it is seen as the underdog standing up for himself.

This is not an attack on white people on the contrary, I am just trying to explain the effect of racisim towards white people and how it does not tend to have the same impact.

Yasir Allah
05-25-2006, 10:51 PM
blah blah blah. think for yourself, not some agenda handed to you on a beautiful platter.

and unless you're a scientist or a scholar don't peach about "FACT" ok? i hate this retarded white vs black that people love to start.

people can't help how they were born, i'm not trying to put you in shackles. i think 5% is bullshit and so is the propaganda you sling

Peace

I am a Scientist and a Judge. I develope a hypothesis then I research it and obtain evidence (scientist) Then I look at the evidence for and against what I am trying to prove and then come to a rational, educated decision (Judge).
It's also funny how white people start this race stuff then they are the first to want to shut it down.

Also it doesn't matter if you are not trying to put me in shackles, your people benefit from the free labor of my people and mines suffer.

Of course you think the 5% are BS, I'm not suprised, yet you still haven't SHOWN AND PROVEN YOUR POINT WITH EVIDENCE

Yasir Allah
05-25-2006, 10:57 PM
the ignorant blanket statement of "the white man is the devil" is rediculous.

it is true that europeans have oppressed many nations of people throughout history and continue to do it today but to lump every single caucasian person in one pot is just dumb.

do you really believe that white people are incapable of rightousness?

Peace

True that is a generalization, the way I see it all whites NATURE is Devil, that does not mean that they act accordingly. Of course it is possible for whites to be righteous, to be righteous is to just be right. Since I know that whites NATURE is devil I know to always be on the lookout and NEVER take anything on face value because I know he is snake. It's also orginal peoples NATURE to be righteous but we also do not always act accordingly, and a black devil is worse than a white one because it's not in our nature to do so but people can always go against their nature, look at gays.

Yasir Allah
05-25-2006, 11:06 PM
It Aint Just Whites Who Are The Devil.........the Devil Resides In All Races, Even Blackz, Look At Da News For A Week And Tell Me What Race Gets Killed Off The Most On A Daily Basis In Your Own Front Yard, It May Have Been Just Whites Back In Those Times But Its 2006 Now, Everyone Is Dyin Over Crumbs In This Day And Age, It Cant Be Read In A Book But Seen In Front Of Your Own Eyes

Peace

True but the senseless black on black violence is due to the psychological warfare that the slave masters imposed on the slaves. What you see on the news everyday is the monster YOU created! All the love and respect we had for self was taken away by YOU, this is the result of 400+ yrs. of brain washing done to the black family. It can be read in MANY books for starters check the Willie lynch letter and Psychic Trauma. This why the Gods are to teach civilization, righeousness, the knowledge of self, and science of everything in love peace and happiness.

crass
05-25-2006, 11:08 PM
Peace

I am a Scientist and a Judge. I develope a hypothesis then I research it and obtain evidence (scientist) Then I look at the evidence for and against what I am trying to prove and then come to a rational, educated decision (Judge).
It's also funny how white people start this race stuff then they are the first to want to shut it down.

Also it doesn't matter if you are not trying to put me in shackles, your people benefit from the free labor of my people and mines suffer.

Of course you think the 5% are BS, I'm not suprised, yet you still haven't SHOWN AND PROVEN YOUR POINT WITH EVIDENCE


yeah, and I put baking soda and vinegar in a bottle and i'm a chemist. I play Jenga and I'm an architect.

a) i didn't start the race shit cuz I don't generally don't waste my time talking about things like that on a RAP FORUM

b) what evidence is there? anything i could possibly offer would be countered by whatever slogans you decide to Google.

in closing I see the appeal that the 5% religion holds for anybody who is pissed off about the legacy of black servitude and inequality but is not intelligent or capable enough to work for any real change, and instead debates the merit of a shallow belief system on the wu-tang website.

Yasir Allah
05-25-2006, 11:44 PM
yeah, and I put baking soda and vinegar in a bottle and i'm a chemist. I play Jenga and I'm an architect.

a) i didn't start the race shit cuz I don't generally don't waste my time talking about things like that on a RAP FORUM

b) what evidence is there? anything i could possibly offer would be countered by whatever slogans you decide to Google.

in closing I see the appeal that the 5% religion holds for anybody who is pissed off about the legacy of black servitude and inequality but is not intelligent or capable enough to work for any real change, and instead debates the merit of a shallow belief system on the wu-tang website.


Peace

When I said stating the race stuff I meant the discrimination and inequality based on color, not this thread.

You say what evidence is there? READ A BOOK!!! Watch the discovery channel. And I don't know what slogans you speak of.

The 5% are not a religion, and who wouldn't be pissed about slavery and inequality except a Devil who makes and has made himself rich off of it! As far as this knowledge bringing about real change, MY only concern is original people, so if I can spark the mind of some ghetto youth and get him to stop doing what the devil wants him to do (which is kill himself) that helps.

Peace
Chopping heads boy it ain't safe no more!!!

crass
05-25-2006, 11:52 PM
MY only concern is original people, so if I can spark the mind of some ghetto youth and get him to stop doing what the devil wants him to do (which is kill himself) that helps.


didn't you say we white devils wanted black people for the FREE LABOR?

staycreepin_n_silence
05-25-2006, 11:59 PM
Exactly man I am black and 5% is not more me. I don't care learn about it, or even gave it much thought. I just figured it was a black KKK spitting propaganda as if it's the whole truths. I do however don't believe in calling a man a God, or even a god. I think this is away from what hiphop is. ENTERTAINMENT. It's not a political outlet. 5% sounds like a political party that not on the ballot. Wisdom??? naw I don't know about that.

How do white people relate to wu and hiphop.
Truest me if Whites today say the no longer want to support wu tang. Good by album sales, they would be lucky to peak10,000 Whites are the ones that keeping hiphop finance and for that I thank you.

I'm a practical person that read for myself and learn both sides of the story then form my own theroy. I don't need someone preaching blackness to me. I'm smarter than that. But ifyou are a 5% do you o kay. I don't put your cause down, but me and my seeds and my black queen will not be exposed to it. It's not for every black man

Stevan
05-26-2006, 03:40 AM
im sorry to see this turn out to be a "black on white" disscusion
its probably my fault. Im stupit probably and cant keep my keyboard shut... lol. But there are other things in this movement and belief system that are as risiculous to me as the "white devil". It really dont bother me that much( and i figured the reason is that it is not strong enough to bother me) I just thought about for some times while listening to Wu and Hip hop in general related to 5%. Its not like someone made a song where it say for the whole 5 minutes : "THe WHITE MAN IS DEvIL, THE WHITE mAN IS DEVIL... And WE Are RacistS Yo... Uh NA MEAN" lol
and when i hear it im supose to go in a mood : "OH my God , they are racist" . No, it aint like that at all. I was saying that there is a lot in that beside the "white being the devil " in that thats not aight with me, and bgecause of that i dont give it credit. Once again there are more that a few sentences that have a deep meaning(but thats only when you heard them seperated from all that "not really thought of science") and there are even more stupdity, but still WUu has GREAT lyrics.
And besides people are still offendet with racism and thing its all cool now, like we are civilized and there are only a few trouble makers and there is no way that things can go back now when we are faceing the bright furure in front us??/? Man you dead wrong. when hell goes lose we gonna be spilling blood al over and over again AMEN lol you dont have to be difrend color for somone to be "discriminateing" you, the fact THAT YOU ARE BREATHING IS ENOUGH you know? takeing up oxygen?

no need to dwell on it

Ya_Bane
05-26-2006, 05:37 AM
Peace

You people just make me laugh:) White people always trying to throw up this reverse racism bulls*&%. First off, we don't have the power to be racist in THIS day and time. There is not one black person right now that has the ability to deny whites of ANYTHING so therefore we cannot be racist. Now if you define racism as a deep hatred of whites, then the NGE does not represent that either. I have no problem with whites, I do not disrespect white people, nor do I oppress white people, but these are crimes the white race is guilty of against original people. Would I date a white woman? NO, do I choose to hang out with white people in my free time? NO, but that doesn't mean I hate whites. I may hang out with a white person if I feel he's cool enough.

Do I belive the white man is the Devil? No, I KNOW THE WHITE MAN IS DEVIL!! How do you know that? YOUR history books told me, and personal experience showed me. You name a group of people on this planet that has done more devilishment than the white man? The white man's greed, and lies he has told to the world is why we're all fucked up right now.

All of this fuss about the black man being God, the father of civilization, the white man being genetically inferior or devil, this is not opinion or lies this is FACT, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! If you don't agree that is fine, SHOW AND PROVE! Show and Prove the black man is not God. If I'm not God show and Prove your MYSTERY GOD. Show and Prove the Black man is not the father of civilization, you won't find any civilized group of whites before the Greeks, they were the first and learned from BLACK TEACHERS! Show and Prove the white man is not the Devil I have proof that he is do you have proof that he isn't???

Let me see some "scientific evidence" that you are God then. And show me "scientific evidence" that my toothbrush is not God.

This is the most stupid argument I've ever seen on this board.

Peace

vahacris
05-26-2006, 05:46 AM
im not saying that blacks are better than whites, but the black man was the original man, it is impossible to make a black person from a white one because the gene is genetic recesive, but it is possible to have a white person from a black one, you have odd instances of people with black family being born white for whatever reason[jason kidd, mike bibby to name a few] but you dont have black people born from white parents, it is physically impossible, thats why when you mix asian, black or mexican with white, they look less white and more of the other ethnicity

whats your point........................?

so black people are beetter becuz' they was first ???

i dont think so................ ever heard about evolution??

cavesmans was living earth way before black people, so it means that they are better??

wtf?

Wu-Tality
05-26-2006, 06:07 AM
Life hundreds of years ago was alot different. But I think the great evil that the 5% talk about is actually the discovery called the gun. I believe it was Sweden where TNT was first created (yeah yeah China was earlier) but it was in Europe that this evolved to guns. With this power, the europeans started doing all the bad things. Its kinda like the Ring lol.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 06:30 AM
I would like to know...and this is a real question.

Why do you white folks get all offended when a Black person says that the white man is the devil??

For real, it's cuz you know it's true!!

I mean......if a white person called me a devil, I would laugh at them.
Because, that just wouldn't make sense when it is whites who have raped and pilaged their way to the top of the world, not Blacks.

Besides, white people are scientifically, biologically, genetically, mentally, and anatomically weaker than black people....which is the real reason they are called Devils by the NGE.

Shiiiit, sometimes I call them the made men or the grafted ones, sometimes we refer to whites as the weaker germ of man...

It doesn't matter, cuz all across the planet people know how backwards white people and their culture of lies is, and most of em' have no knowledge of the NGE.

The NGE should be the least of your worries, if you are white. We don't hate you because we understand that you can't help yourselves and we also don't have the military power to exterminate you....others do.

It's just stupid to worry about the NGE, when we are sooo willing to educate ya'll and give you soothing music that you need.

And, that's why whites love the Wu and Brand Nubian, etc. It's because we make the music that calms the beast, devil or whatever title you can handle without getting your feelings hurt.

Don't be soo ungratefull. Do the knowledge!

LikwidSwordz
05-26-2006, 07:18 AM
Well, the first people alive were Adam and Eve.....and they werent "black". They were born in Europe. So they were probably im guessin a dark skinned color......but definitely not from Africa or anything.

LikwidSwordz
05-26-2006, 07:21 AM
I'm white......and it really disgusts me and makes me sick to see and have to live with everything the white man has done to many other cultures. But if you blame the whole race for what they did awhile back......i mean...everyone single person on this Earth is different, and we all have different genes. What if you were blind? You wouldnt even know what white and black was so dont even start with the whole skin color thing. I hate slaveowner country white hicks as much as any black person would.

sinfullycute
05-26-2006, 07:24 AM
It's just stupid to worry about the NGE, when are sooo willing to educate ya'll and give you soothing music that you need.

That is kind of an ignorant statement as I would say more white people listen to rock and country as opposed to rap. You're not giving anything as I believe most record execs are white and they are whose putting out the records, not the artist. Its the companys putting out what you hear, not the individual. he may reach a few hundred himself, but he's not reaching the masses.

plus you are aware that a lot of the first slave owners were black enslaving their own kind in their own countries.

ukarema
05-26-2006, 07:26 AM
As someone already stated, just take the 5% shit as a grain of salt and enjoy the music.

I've been down with the Wu as a fan since day 1 in 93. Wu has displayed alot of so called negative lyrical connotations such as, drug trafficking, cannibus smoking, mysogonistic lyrics to woman & 5% believes.

Now I have never in my life, smoked weed, pushed weight & became a 5% cuzo the wu. Now i've done research on there philosophy so I can have my own understanding of it. Other than that, thats about it. I've been influenced by the Wu cuz of there fortitude for hip hop & the huge movement that has become today.

As far as whites catching feelings over the 'white man is the devil' If you do the knowledge to why that reference has been said for many many years. Becuz there is a deep history of whites oppressing other races. But I don't go around saying the white man is the devil period.

Now I am black but my family consists of many different ethic backgrounds. But @ the end of the day, this is hip hop music which is part of entertainment. So folks should just do that enjoy the music & educate yourselfs by doing your own research on things you feel you don't fully understand.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 07:26 AM
Well, the first people alive were Adam and Eve.....and they werent "black". They were born in Europe. So they were probably im guessin a dark skinned color......but definitely not from Africa or anything.

Adam and Eve is just a story...like a metaphor, a myth that tries to describe the creation of man. You shouldn't take it soo literal.

And, you don't have to be from Africa to be Black. I mean, Black includes all Original People. Yellow, red, brown, - these are all shades of Black.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 07:31 AM
It's just stupid to worry about the NGE, when are sooo willing to educate ya'll and give you soothing music that you need.

That is kind of an ignorant statement as I would say more white people listen to rock and country as opposed to rap. You're not giving anything as I believe most record execs are white and they are whose putting out the records, not the artist. Its the companys putting out what you hear, not the individual. he may reach a few hundred himself, but he's not reaching the masses.

plus you are aware that a lot of the first slave owners were black enslaving their own kind in their own countries.

ummmm....executives don't write raps for rappers. That's ridiculous.

And, this generation of white people love hiphop. They are the ones at the concerts and they are the ones who buy most of the records.

Shiiit, It's mostly whites on this Wu tang site right now!

It just speaks to the genius of the Wu that they were able to make commercial music and still deliver the messages of the NGE.

They only rap about bullshit because, whites like bullshit. If it was all about 5% then ya'll wouldn't give up the dollars.

4-Bar Killer
05-26-2006, 07:35 AM
Well, the first people alive were Adam and Eve

No. Christianity is a lie. Like every other religion. But the original man was black and came from what now is Africa/Arabia (not 100% sure).. But that IMO doesn't mean that Black man is God but of course it's ok if people chooses to believe that.. Personally I don't really like the word "God" in any way, but that's probably because I never really believed in any such thing.

and Aqua - I've heard that a 1000 times, and I know you're right, the white man has and is doing horrible things to the minorities, but I believe, and this is were we disagrees - that it has something to do with power and sick minds. Very few people has the power to remain calm and clever when they reach power and/or money.. And - and this is where you again are right - most people that fucked other people over to regain more power was white.. But I don't believe that white people are born that way.. same thing for every other race.. But I believe in unity and peace, and I'm sure you do the same..

But shouldn't this thread get back to what it really was about??

sinfullycute
05-26-2006, 07:47 AM
Well, look Wu isn't 100 percent NGE. they pick and choose.Lets really be real. Lets take Rza for an example, I don't believe NGE advocates disrespecting your wife and having children out of wedlock. They are picking and choosing what messages to send-why maybe to get the NGE to buy their stuff too.
Execs can definitely say change those lyrics, change that beat, change that hook-happens all the time. Whites can love hip hop, but its the minority compared to those at country shows.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 07:54 AM
Well, look Wu isn't 100 percent NGE. they pick and choose.Lets really be real. Lets take Rza for an example, I don't believe NGE advocates disrespecting your wife and having children out of wedlock. They are picking and choosing what messages to send-why maybe to get the NGE to buy their stuff too.
Execs can definitely say change those lyrics, change that beat, change that hook-happens all the time. Whites can love hip hop, but its the minority compared to those at country shows.

That's the problem with you people who try to judge the NGE off of the Wu.

They are huemans. And they are celebrities....When I learned the truth and began studying Supreme Mathematics, I didn't look and see what RZA did or said. I gained knowledge by studying and living the Truth.

Executives have power, but the Wu were able to incorporate the real shit inside of the commercial shit, because most execs and white people don't know what the hell half of their lyrics mean anyway.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 08:04 AM
No. Christianity is a lie. Like every other religion. But the original man was black and came from what now is Africa/Arabia (not 100% sure).. But that IMO doesn't mean that Black man is God but of course it's ok if people chooses to believe that.. Personally I don't really like the word "God" in any way, but that's probably because I never really believed in any such thing.

and Aqua - I've heard that a 1000 times, and I know you're right, the white man has and is doing horrible things to the minorities, but I believe, and this is were we disagrees - that it has something to do with power and sick minds. Very few people has the power to remain calm and clever when they reach power and/or money.. And - and this is where you again are right - most people that fucked other people over to regain more power was white.. But I don't believe that white people are born that way.. same thing for every other race.. But I believe in unity and peace, and I'm sure you do the same..

But shouldn't this thread get back to what it really was about??

I feel you, and a person can't help if they are born white...but, that doesn't mean that we should pretend that biology has no significance.

All of The NGE deal in high science. We don't pretend to be judges of every single white person's character but, we have the knowledge that explains what it is that makes the white man act soo treachorous towards all the so-called minorities.

And it is a genetic weakness in the white man's physical make-up.

Do the knowledge on the pineal gland and melanin.

Also read some Francis Welsing......the truth is out there if you want it.

sinfullycute
05-26-2006, 09:32 AM
They are huemans. And they are celebrities....When I learned the truth and began studying Supreme Mathematics, I didn't look and see what RZA did or said. I gained knowledge by studying and living the Truth.

Executives have power, but the Wu were able to incorporate the real shit inside of the commercial shit, because most execs and white people don't know what the hell half of their lyrics mean anyway.[/quote]

Being a celebrity-what is that supposed to be -an excuse. Naw, righteous is righteous.

And noone puts money into what they don't understand. thats the rule of the green. They knew what they were saying and knew people such as yourself would buy. they don't care where the money comes from as long as it comes in. The ones you are calling ignorant to what is there in all distinct likelyhood always knew that is would sell. there was nothing being disguised. Before a major company puts anything out-a legal team looks at every aspect, so they don't end up getting sued later down the road. thats just business. Nothing sneaks by.

cap
05-26-2006, 11:33 AM
Not to cause dissent or anything, but that shit wasn't made for y'all.
That's a known, well-documented fact.

They caught a little buzz in the mid 90's, blew up, captured that White boy segment and got paid in the process.

You might cop the albums, buy the gear, tattoo the logo on your shoulder... but that shit ain't built for y'all.

...

Now, my question to you is: How, as a White person do you identify with Wu, or even hip-hop in general?

Is it just something to bang out to while you get drunk?
Is it something to make yourself look "cool"?
Or is it in your blood?

yo man,
im sure u dont speak for all black people.
but out here in europe,hip hop is the music of the immigrant youth and foreigners,rather than just for black people.

hell yeah i can relate to hip hop,you think only black people struggle??
you think only black people live in ghettos?
if so,your an IGNORANT FUCK!!

i live hip hop and im not black so deal with it.

singodsuperior
05-26-2006, 11:50 AM
I feel you on that one lord

singodsuperior
05-26-2006, 11:54 AM
One of the main reasons why the wu is still in the game is to spread knowledge to the deaf dumb and blind

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 11:59 AM
They are huemans. And they are celebrities....When I learned the truth and began studying Supreme Mathematics, I didn't look and see what RZA did or said. I gained knowledge by studying and living the Truth.


Executives have power, but the Wu were able to incorporate the real shit inside of the commercial shit, because most execs and white people don't know what the hell half of their lyrics mean anyway.

Being a celebrity-what is that supposed to be -an excuse. Naw, righteous is righteous.

And noone puts money into what they don't understand. thats the rule of the green. They knew what they were saying and knew people such as yourself would buy. they don't care where the money comes from as long as it comes in. The ones you are calling ignorant to what is there in all distinct likelyhood always knew that is would sell. there was nothing being disguised. Before a major company puts anything out-a legal team looks at every aspect, so they don't end up getting sued later down the road. thats just business. Nothing sneaks by.
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No being a celebrity is not an excuse for anything...I didn't say that.

I was pointing out the fact that you shouldn't take them as role models for the NGE, just because they make records and are famous.

Most of the people I know and myself included don't have money to spend on a Wu tang Album!

I have only bought one in my lifetime.

It still stands that most Whites and execs don't know what the hell most of the Wu's lyrics mean. But, they like it cause it sounds good and sells records.

g_flex
05-26-2006, 12:35 PM
This whole shit is pretty immatured....if sumone thinks that wu tang is preaching 5% and u dun like it fuck it dont listen to it then.....i dun listen to punk music coz their idealogy is different n i cant agree on it i dont listen to it then go arnd finding faults n start talkin shit n cause problems among us fans of the same love of WU...and if u still listen u shud respect it...dats coz u love the sound the rhymes the beats the characters they play...and everytime theres an argument abt black n white its gotta do be involving religion and forever its gotta be chrisianity n muslims....u ppl claim so called truth n cant stand being diffrent just because your fuckin colours are different...and stevan its only a handful of songs wu rep the 5% n talk bt it they only are using rap music to convey their message and their dissatisfaction coz thats the base of rap music....its not like i hv not heard rock music cursing out blacks n using the N word freely..

and btw ODB is not "stupid "..thats his style u druggie idiot go snatch a purse n listen to manson

snapple
05-26-2006, 01:05 PM
"dont think i ever heard of Nation of Godz and Earths before i heard the WU."

theres your problem, you shouldn't be talking about the %5 then, go outside dook. and some of you shouldn't interpret theology as scientific fact and shit, theology is a tool to help you gain wisdom and promotes a way to live a lifestyle

THE W
05-26-2006, 01:51 PM
okaay, im gonna go ahead and move this to KTL.

mano
05-26-2006, 01:58 PM
fuck that 5% ideology it's nothing but a closed minded theory. im muslim and got lots of respect for other religion but fuck that 5% shit bunch of losers callin themselves god, if ya god how come the world is in a fucked up situation with all these wars going on, exactly u aint god u aint god the power of god. before we didn't really care and we didn't know what was the 5%, but now buddy a lot of muslim(arabs,blacks african,and middle eastern) know more about it and it's start to irritate us , and for sure using the name allah ya better leave that alone if ya aint muslim dont use it get ur own word. if ya 5% come to france ya see how ya gonna be welcomed by the muslim brothers

Damo
05-26-2006, 02:05 PM
G fLex-
"This whole shit is pretty immatured....if sumone thinks that wu tang is preaching 5% and u dun like it fuck it dont listen to it then.....i dun listen to punk music coz their idealogy is different n i cant agree on it i dont listen to it then go arnd finding faults n start talkin shit n cause problems among us fans of the same love of WU...and if u still listen u shud respect it...dats coz u love the sound the rhymes the beats the characters they play...and everytime theres an argument abt black n white its gotta do be involving religion and forever its gotta be chrisianity n muslims....u ppl claim so called truth n cant stand being diffrent just because your fuckin colours are different...and stevan its only a handful of songs wu rep the 5% n talk bt it they only are using rap music to convey their message and their dissatisfaction coz thats the base of rap music....its not like i hv not heard rock music cursing out blacks n using the N word freely..
and btw ODB is not "stupid "..thats his style u druggie idiot go snatch a purse n listen to manson"

-The first thing you said was dissing the immaturity of this thread and the last thing you said was the most immature shit posted in this thread.

That's not the reason I'm posting though. I'm probably gonna get my ass banned for this shit, but I've been reading the 5%'s beliefs on this site for years, now It's my turn. Why is it acceptable for blacks to be racist?!


Yasir Allah-

"I have no problem with whites, I do not disrespect white people"
"Do I belive the white man is the Devil? No, I KNOW THE WHITE MAN IS DEVIL!!"

-That is not only disrespectful, but also contradictory.

Tauro-

"For the record I also don't agree with the stuff coming fron the 5% nation, and you are right to say that if a black person says the white man is the devil it is a double standard..in a sense, but like someone has said already reverse racism towards white people does not have the same effect than being the other way round. White people hold nearly all the control in this world, they hold nearly all the top corporate positions and most live in up market housing areas while black people for the most part live in poor dilapidated housing and are unable to find employment. Is this all the fault of white people?, not entirly but they have been responsible for the positioning of ethnic minorites in underprivllaged areas. Because of the strong foothold white people have in the world the notion of racism towards them basicly becomes redundant. Look at it this way the white man is a metaphor for success while the black man is a metaphor for poverty, if a white man verbally abuses a black man it is like kicking someone when their down, while if it's the other way around it is seen as the underdog standing up for himself.
This is not an attack on white people on the contrary, I am just trying to explain the effect of racisim towards white people and how it does not tend to have the same impact"

-Racism is still wrong no matter what reason is being used to justify it.

Aqueous-

"I would like to know...and this is a real question.
Why do you white folks get all offended when a Black person says that the white man is the devil??
For real, it's cuz you know it's true!!"

-No, it offends me because it's blatant racism.

"Shiiiit, sometimes I call them the made men or the grafted ones, sometimes we refer to whites as the weaker germ of man..."

-How is that NOT a racist statement?! Sometimes white people call blacks un-evolved humans or the evolutionary missing link between primates and humans (Which is not my personal belief and is racist)... Whites have gotten banned from forums, ass-kickings and much worse for saying so. What you're saying here is the equivalent or worse. WHY IS THAT OK?!

"Besides, white people are scientifically, biologically, genetically, mentally, and anatomically weaker than black people"

-How is that "Right and exact"? You born skinny and weak? Eat right and excersize and you can be a damn body builder. Born stupid? Go to school and get a PHD. The only time that ain't true is when someone is born with disabilities, which happens in all races.

"We don't hate you because we understand that you can't help yourselves"

-If that's not why you hate us, then why do you you hate us? If we can't help ourselves from being devlish why don't you accept it and move on or do something to change it, which brings me to this-

"and we also don't have the military power to exterminate you....others do."

-So what you're saying is that if the NGE did have the military power to exterminate whites, they would? You tell me who has the power to exterminate an entire race of people. Who exactly should be my worry? Even Hitler couldn't do it and he had the help pf the "Superior Original Man"- The Japanese.

"I mean......if a white person called me a devil, I would laugh at them.
Because, that just wouldn't make sense when it is whites who have raped and pilaged their way to the top of the world, not Blacks"

-If blacks could have, they would have. There is NO other way to the top of the world but through violence, deception or some kinda shady method. "Just look at history" as many a 5%er would say. How could an inferior race of people have achieved world dominance? They must not be so inferior. Don't give me that Tricknology bullshit neither because that would just be a testament to the stupidity of the people who bought into it (According to 5%ers blacks oppressed by whites).

"It's just stupid to worry about the NGE, when are sooo willing to educate ya'll and give you soothing music that you need."

Y'all ain't willing to educate shit! More on that in a moment. This reminds me of what Venex and you yoursellf said "That's the problem with you people who try to judge the NGE off of the Wu." Alot of whites have only a limited knowledge of the NGE gained through the music of the Wu-Tang Clan. Which leads most to believe by and large that it's a black supremacist cult.

"Do the knowledge on the pineal gland and melanin."

Here's some knowledge:

The Pineal Gland
Location
The pineal gland is a reddish-gray body about the size of a pea (8 mm in humans) located just rostro-dorsal to the superior colliculus and behind and beneath the stria medullaris, between the laterally positioned thalamic bodies. It is part of the epithalamus.
The pineal gland is a midline structure, and is often seen in plain skull X-rays, as it is often calcified.

Structure and composition
The pineal gland consists mainly of pinealocytes, but four other cell types have been identified: interstitial cells, perivascular phagocyte, pineal neurons and peptidergic neuron-like cells.
The pineal body consists in humans of a lobular parenchyma of pinealocytes surrounded by connective tissue spaces. The glands is covered on the surface by a pial capsule. The pinealocytes consist of a cell body from where 4-6 processes emerge. The pinealocytes can be stained by special silver impregnation methods. Between the pinealocytes are insterstitial cells located. Many capillaries are present in the gland, and close to these blood vessels are perivascular phagocytes located. The perivascular phagocytes are antigen presenting cells. In higher vertebrates neurons are located in the pineal gland. However, these are not present in rodents. In some species, neuronal-like peptidergic cells are poresent. These cells might have a paracrine regulatory function. In humans follicles containing a variable quantity of gritty material, called brain sand, acervuli, or corpora arenacea, are present. Chemical analysis of acervuli show that they are composed of calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, magnesium phosphate, and ammonium phosphate. (Bocchi & Valdre, 1993). Recently, calcite deposits have been described as well (Baconnier et al., 2002).
Pinealocytes in lower[vertebrate]] animals have a strong resemblance to the photoreceptor cells of the eye. Some evolutionary biologists believe that the vertebrate pineal gland can be evolutionarily traced to a proto-eye structure in early vertebrate organisms (Klein, 2004). In birds, the pineal gland is located on the surface of the brain, directly under the skull and contains the photoreceptors to regulate their biological clock[1]. In humans and other mammals, this function is served by the retinohypothalamic system that sets the rhythm within the suprachiasmatic nucleus. Cultural and social interactions produce exposures to artificial light that influence the setting of the suprachiasmatic clock. Evidence for a role for opsin-related light-sensing compounds in the skin of mammals is presently controversial.

Function
The pineal gland was originally believed to be a "vestigial remnant" of a larger organ (much as the appendix is now thought to be a vestigial digestive organ). It was only after the 1960's that scientists discovered that the pineal gland is responsible for the production of melatonin, which is regulated in a circadian rhythm. Melatonin is a derivative of the amino acid tryptophan, which also has other functions in the Central Nervous System. The production of melatonin by the pineal gland is stimulated by darkness and inhibited by light (Axelrod, 1970). The retina detects the light, and directly signals and entrains the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN). Fibers project from the SCN to the paraventricular nuclei (PVN), which relay the circadian signals to the spinal cord and out via the sympathetic system to superior cervical ganglia (SCG), and from there into the pineal gland.
The pineal gland is large in children, but shrinks at puberty. It appears to play a major role in sexual development, hibernation in animals, metabolism, and seasonal breeding. The abundant melatonin levels in children is believed to inhibit sexual development. When puberty arrives, melatonin production is reduced.
Pineal cytostructure seems to have evolutionary similarities to the retinal cells of chordates (Klein, 2004). Modern birds and reptiles have been found to express the phototransducing pigment melanopsin in the pineal gland. Avian pineal glands are believed to act like the suprachiasmatic nucleus in mammals (Natesan et al., 2002).
Reports in rodents suggest that the pineal gland may influence the actions of drugs of abuse such as cocaine [1] and antidepressants such as fluoxetine (Prozac)[2]; and contribute to regulation of neuronal vulnerability[3]. In addition, it has been proposed by Rick Strassman that the pineal gland is responsible for manufacture of endogenous dimethyltryptamine (DMT) although this is only speculation. There are some who believe DMT has a role in dreaming and possibly near-death experiences and other mystical states, and, although not proven, it was hypothesized in 1988 by Jace Callaway that DMT is connected with visual dreaming.

Mythology
The pineal gland was the last endocrine gland to have its function discovered. Its location deep in the brain seemed to indicate its importance. This combination led to its being a "mystery" gland with myth, superstition and even metaphysical theories surrounding its perceived function.
Rene Descartes called the pineal gland the "seat of the soul" [2], believing it is unique in the anatomy of the human brain in being a structure not duplicated on the right and left sides. This observation is not true, however; under a microscope one finds the pineal gland is divided into two fine hemispheres.
The pineal gland is occasionally associated with the sixth chakra (also called Ajna or the third eye chakra in yoga). It is believed by some to be a dormant organ that can be awakened to enable "telepathic" communication.

And some more:
Melanin in humans
In humans, melanin is found in skin, hair, the coat of the retina, the renal medulla and zona reticularis of the adrenal gland, the inner ear, and the substantia nigra (in Latin, literally "black substance") and locus ceruleus ("blue spot") of the brain. Melanin is the primary determinant of human skin color.
Dermal melanin is produced by melanocytes, which are found in the stratum basale of the epidermis. Although human beings generally possess a similar concentration of melanocytes in their skin, the melanocytes in some individuals and races more frequently or less frequently express the melanin-producing genes, thereby conferring a greater or lesser concentration of skin melanin. Some individual animals and humans have no or very little melanin in their bodies, which is a condition known as albinism.
Because melanin is an aggregate of smaller component molecules, there are a number of different types of melanin with differing proportions and bonding patterns of these component molecules. Both pheomelanin and eumelanin are found in human skin and hair, but eumelanin is the most abundant melanin in humans, as well as the form most likely to be deficient in albinism.
Eumelanin polymers have long been thought to comprise numerous cross-linked dihydroxyindole polymers; recent research into the electrical properties of eumelanin, however, has indicated that it may consist of more basic oligomers adhering to one another by some other mechanism. Thus, the precise nature of eumelanin's molecular structure is once again the object of study. Eumelanin is found in hair and skin, and colors hair from brown to black. In humans, it is more abundant in peoples with dark skin.
Pheomelanin is also found in hair and skin and is more abundant in fair-skinned humans. Pheomelanin imparts a yellow to reddish hue and, thus, is found in particularly large quantities in blonde and red hair. Pheomelanin also may become cancerous when exposed to the ultraviolet rays of the sun.
Neuromelanin is the dark pigment, dopamine polymer that makes the substantia nigra or Dark Matter of the human brain. It's destruction is associated with Parkinson's disease. It is present in the locus ceruleus of the human brain. Neuromelanin has been detected in primates and in carnivores such as cats and dogs.
Synthetic pathway
The first step of the synthetic pathway for both eumelanins and pheomelanins is mediated by tyrosinase:
Tyrosine ? DOPA ? dopaquinone
Dopaquinone can combine with cysteine by two pathways to benzothiazines and pheomelanins
Dopaquinone + cysteine - 5-S-cysteinyldopa - benzothiazine intermediate - pheomelanin
Dopaquinone + cysteine - 2-S-cysteinyldopa - benzothiazine intermediate - pheomelanin
Alternatively, dopaquinone can be converted to leucodopachrome and follow two more pathways to the eumelanins
Dopaquinone - leucodopachrome - dopachrome - 5,6-dihydroxyindole-2-carboxylic acid - quinone - eumelanin

Melanin deficiency in genetic disorders and disease states
Melanin deficiency has been connected for some time with various genetic abnormalities and disease states.
There are approximately ten different types of oculocutaneous albinism, which is mostly an autosomal recessive disorder. Certain ethnicities have higher incidences of different forms. For example, the most common type, called oculocutaneous albinism type 2 (OCA2), is especially frequent among people of indigenous African descent. It is an autosomal recessive disorder characterized by a congenital reduction or absence of melanin pigment in the skin, hair and eyes. The estimated frequency of OCA2 among African-Americans is 1 in 10,000, which contrasts with a frequency of 1 in 36,000 in white Americans [1]. In some African nations, the frequency of the disorder is even higher, ranging from 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000.[2] Another form of Albinism, the "yellow oculocutaneous albinism", appears to be more prevalent among the Amish, who are of primarily Swiss and German ancestry. People with this IB variant of the disorder commonly have white hair and skin at birth, but rapidly develop normal skin pigmentation in infancy.[3]
Ocular albinism affects not only eye pigmentation, but visual acuity, as well. People with albinism typically test poorly, within the 20/60 to 20/400 range. Additionally, two forms of albinism, with approximately 1 in 2700 most prevalent among people of Puerto Rican origin, are associated with mortality beyond melanoma-related deaths.
Mortality also is increased in patients with Hermansky-Pudlak syndrome and Chediak-Higashi syndrome. Patients with Hermansky-Pudlak syndrome have a bleeding diathesis secondary to platelet dysfunction and also experience restrictive lung disease (pulmonary fibrosis), inflammatory bowel disease, cardiomyopathy, and renal disease. Patients with Chediak-Higashi syndrome are susceptible to infection and also can develop lymphofollicular malignancy.[4]
The role that melanin deficiency plays in such disorders remains under study.
The connection between albinism and deafness has been well known, though poorly understood, for more than a century-and-a-half. In his 1859 treatise On the Origin of Species, Charles Darwin observed that "cats which are entirely white and have blue eyes are generally deaf"[5]. In humans, hypopigmentation and deafness occur together in the rare Waardenberg's syndrome, predominantly observed among Hopi American Indians. [6] The incidence of albinism in Hopi Indians has been estimated as approximately 1 in 200 individuals. Interestingly, similar patterns of albinism and deafness have been found in other mammals, including dogs and rodents. However, a lack of melanin per se does not appear to be directly responsible for deafness associated with hypopigmentation, as most individuals lacking the enzymes required to synthesize melanin have normal auditory function [7]. Instead the absence of melanocytes in the stria vascularis of the inner ear results in cochlear impairment [8], though why this is not fully understood.
Persons with Parkinson's disease, a disorder that affects neuromotor functioning, have been shown to have decreased neuromelanin in the substantia nigra as consequence of diminished dopamine synthesis. While no correlation between race and the level of neuromelanin in the substantia nigra has been observed, the significantly lower incidence of Parkinson's in blacks than in whites has "prompt[ed] some to suggest that cutaneous melanin might somehow serve to protect the neuromelanin in substantia nigra from external toxins."[9]
In addition to melanin deficiency, the molecular weight of the melanin polymer may be decreased due to various factors such as oxidative stress, exposure to light, perturbation in its association with melanosomal matrix proteins, changes in pH or in local concentrations of metal ions. A decreased molecular weight or a decrease in the degree of polymerization of ocular melanin has been proposed to turn the normally anti-oxidant polymer into a pro-oxidant. In its pro-oxidant state, melanin has been suggested to be involved in the causation and progression of macular degeneration and melanoma. (Ref: Pigment cell Res. 2001; volume 14: pages 148-154. "Redox regulation in human melanocytes and melanoma")
Melanin and human adaptation
Melanocytes insert granules of melanin into specialized cellular vesicles called melanosomes. These are then transferred into the other skin cells of the human epidermis. The melanosomes in each recipient cell accumulate atop the cell nucleus, where they protect the nuclear DNA from mutations caused by the ionizing radiation of the sun's ultraviolet rays. People whose ancestors lived for long periods in the regions of the globe near the equator generally have larger quantities of eumelanin in their skins. This makes their skins brown or black and protects them against high levels of exposure to the sun, which more frequently results in melanomas in fairer-skinned people. Darker skin also tends to remain more supple and shows fewer lines and wrinkles over time than fairer skin. As a result, the faces of dark skinned people generally tend to look more youthful longer than light skinned people.
With humans, exposure to sunlight stimulates the liver to produce vitamin D. Because high levels of cutaneous melanin act as a natural sun screen, dark skin can be a risk factor for vitamin D deficiency.
In Scotland, which lies at a northern latitude, descendants of the Britons have white skin. When their skin is exposed to the meager sunlight, the scant amount of melanin their skin produces is unable to block the sunlight. Therefore, their bodies are able to make Vitamin D with the help of sunlight. Vitamin D, a vitamin found in fish oil, is necessary to prevent rickets, a bone disease caused by too little calcium.
In contrast, in Africa, which is near the equator, humans require intense sunlight to penetrate their dark skin to make Vitamin D. This is all well and good. However, when blacks lived in England during the Industrial Revolution, they were the first to develop symptoms of rickets, such as retarded growth, bowed legs and fractures because not enough sunlight was available.
Fortunately, in 1930, Vitamin D was discovered and dispensed as a supplement to add to the diet.[10]
The most recent scientific evidence indicates that all humanity originated in Africa. It is most likely that the first people had relatively large numbers of eumelanin producing melanocytes and, accordingly, darker skin (as displayed by the indigenous people of Africa, today). As some of these original peoples migrated and settled in areas of Asia and Europe, the selective pressure for eumelanin production decreased in climates where radiation from the sun was less intense. Thus variations in genes involved in melanin production began to appear in the population, resulting in lighter hair and skin in humans residing at northern latitudes. Studies have been carried out to determine whether these changes were due to genetic drift or positive selection, perhaps driven by requirement for vitamin D. Of the two common gene variants known to be associated with pale human skin, Mc1r [11] does not appear to have undergone positive selection, while SLC24A5 [12] has.
As with peoples that migrated northward, those with light skin who migrate southward acclimatize to the much stronger solar radiation. Most people's skin darkens when exposed to UV light, giving them more protection when it is needed. This is the physiological purpose of sun tanning. Dark-skinned people, who produce more skin-protecting eumelanin, are less likely to suffer from sunburn and the development of melanoma, a potentially deadly form of skin cancer, as well as other health problems related to exposure to strong solar radiation, including the photodegradation of certain vitamins such as riboflavins, carotenoids, tocopherol, and folate.
Higher eumelanin levels also can be a disadvantage, however, beyond a higher disposition toward vitamin D deficiency. Dark skin is a complicating factor in the laser removal of port-wine stains. Effective in treating fair skin, lasers generally are less successful in removing port-wine stains in Asians and people of African descent. Higher concentrations of melanin in darker-skinned individuals simply diffuse and absorb the laser radiation, inhibiting light absorption by the targeted tissue. Melanin similarly can complicate laser treatment of other dermatological conditions in people with darker skin.
Freckles and moles are formed where there is a localized concentration of melanin in the skin. They are highly associated with pale skin.
Melanin in the eyes helps protect them from ultraviolet and high frequency visible light; people with blue eyes are more at risk for sun-related eye problems. Further, the ocular lens yellows with age, providing added protection.

Physical properties and technological applications
Absorption spectrum of melanin
Melanin is a biopolymer and a neuropeptide. In the early 1970s, researchers found melanin to be an organic semiconductor (Science, vol 183, 853-855 (1974)). Studies revealed that melanin acted as an electrical threshold switch, emitting a flash of light— electroluminescence— when it switched. Though the findings were published, these findings largely were ignored. Melanin also shows negative differential resistance, a classic property of electronically active, conductive, organic polymers. In 2000, the Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to three scientists for their later 1977 work in the discovery and development of conductive polymers. The polymers utilized in this research were "polyacetylene black" melanins.
The original discoverers of switching and high electrical conductivity in melanin and related organic semiconductors were not honored in 2000. However, their melanin organic electronic device is now in the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History's "Smithsonian Chips" collection of historic solid-state electronic devices.
Melanin influences neural activity and mediates the conduction of radiation, light, heat and kinetic energy. As such, it is the subject of intense interest in biotech research and development, most notably in organic electronics (sometimes called "plastic electronics") and nanotechnology, where dopants are used to dramatically boost melanin conductivity. Pyrrole black and acetylene black are the most commonly studied organic semiconductors.
Although synthetic melanin (commonly referred to as BSM, or "black synthetic matter") is made up of 3-6 oligomeric units linked together - the so-called "protomolecule" - there is no evidence that naturally occurring biopolymer (BCM, for "black cell matter") mimics this structure. However, since there is no reason to believe that natural melanin does not belong to the category of the polyarenes and polycationic polyenes, like pyrrol black and acetylene black, it is necessary to review all the chemical and biological analytic data gathered to date in the study of natural melanins (eumelanins, pheomelanins, allomelanins)."[13]
Evidence exists in support of a highly cross-linked heteropolymer bound covalently to matrix scaffolding melanoproteins (Eur. J. Biochem. 1995; 232: 159-164 "Interaction of melanosomal proteins with melanin). It has been proposed that the ability of melanin to act as an antioxidant is directly proportional to its degree of polymerization or molecular weight (Ophthalmic research, 2005, 37: 136-141 "Melanin aggregation and polymerization: possible implications in age related macular degeneration"). Suboptimal conditions for the effective polymerization of melanin monomers may lead to formation of lower-molecular-weight, pro-oxidant melanin that is has been implicated in the causation and progression of macular degeneration and melanoma. (Clinical Cancer Res. 2004; 10: 2581-2583 "Etiologic pathogenesis of melanoma: a unifying hypothesis for the missing attributable risk"). Signaling pathways that upregulate melanization in the retinal pigment epithelium (RPE) also may be implicated in the downregulation of rod outer segment phagocytosis by the RPE. This phenomenon has been attributed in part to foveal sparing in macular degeneration. (Mol. Vis. 2005; 11: 482-490 "Melanization and phagocytosis: implications for age-related macular degeneration).

Melanin-based bias in human societies
When skin pigmentation as a characteristic of race becomes significant in some way, this phenomenon is known as racialism. Many people and societies overlay racialism with racist perceptions and systems which arbitrarily assign to groups of people a status of inherent superiority or inferiority, privilege or disadvantage based on skin color or racial classification. Apartheid-era South Africa is an example of a white supremacist society based on a system of stratification of power and privilege by skin color, as well as racial admixture. Similar examples can be found in Brazil's highly socially color-stratified society; and, in the U.S., segregation and institutional racism on the part of white-controlled institutions, and internal "color consciousness" on the part of some ethnic minorities. Prejudice against people with more highly pigmented skin is the most pervasive form of color bias. Many other societies remain informally divided on the basis of skin color and, often, related ethnicity. (See also colonialism, Nazism, pigmentocracy and institutional racism.)
Various presumptions about people with regard to hair color are far less common than skin-color bias, have far fewer and less serious real-world implications, and are more often applied to women than to men. Common stereotypes in the West are dumb blondes, hot-tempered redheads and vixen brunettes.

And This:
Melanin Theory
Black supremacy versus white supremacy
In its simplest form, black supremacy is the belief in the inherent superiority of the "black race." Historically, white supremacy has been reinforced and sustained worldwide by instruments of Western economic, political, and military power and, as a result, it has been a central ideology in the shaping of world history. Black supremacist ideology, however, has not had a similar impact because of a lack of institutional power. In Killing Rage: Ending Racism, author and social activists bell hooks writes:
Why is it so difficult for many white folks to understand that racism is oppressive not because white folks have prejudicial feelings about blacks, but because it is a system that promotes domination and subjugation? The prejudicial feelings some blacks may express about whites are in no way linked to a system of domination the affords us any power to coercively control the lives and well-being of white folks. That needs to be understood. (1995, p. 154)[1]
In modern history, black supremacy has been a reactionary phenomenon most evident among various religions or cults. In this context, it has been used as an ideological tool in framing a kind of liberation theology for the societally marginalized and oppressed. Scholar and philosopher Cornel West comments in his essay Malcolm X and Black Rage:
The basic aim of Black Muslim theology -- with its distinct Black supremacist account of the origins of white people -- was to counter white supremacy. Yet this preoccupation with white supremacy still allowed white people to serve as the principal point of reference. That which fundamentally motivates one still dictates the terms of what one thinks and does -- so the motivation of a Black supremacist doctrine reveals how obsessed one is with white supremacy….[2]
Due to the similar racialist and separatist ideologies, some black supremacist organizations have joined forces with white supremacist or extremist organizations. Marcus Garvey invited a Ku Klux Klan spokesman to speak at one of his rallies, and the Nation of Islam has ties to George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party, both of which are known for their anti-Jewish sentiments. The NOI also has established ties with a number of organizations across racial and ethnic lines, including the Unification Church; and has a working relationship with the organization of wealthy economist and outsider politico Lyndon LaRouche, widely considered a neo-fascist by the mainstream media. White supremacist Tom Metzger of White Aryan Resistance spoke at the "National Black Power Summit and Youth Rally," hosted by the New Black Panther Party.

Rastafari

The Royal Parchment Scroll of Black Supremacy.The Rastafari movement was originally founded on principles that included a belief in the inherent wickedness of the white race and the superiority of the black race, though these beliefs rapidly evolved into a more universalist approach which accepts converts from all ethnicities. One of the three major Rastafari orders, the Bobo Ashanti Order of Rastafari, however, continues to adhere to a black supremacist doctrine.[1]
Marcus Garvey, black nationalist and recognized Rasta prophet, believed that white achievements were due to white children being taught that they are superior. By the same token, he held that if black children are taught that they are superior, then there is a greater chance that they will succeed in life.[2] [3]
Along with the Holy Piby, the Royal Parchment Scroll of Black Supremacy, written during the 1920s by proto-Rastafarian preacher Fitz Balintine Pettersburg, is recognized as one of the root documents of Rastafarian thought. It influenced Jamaican Garveyite leaders of the 1920s, and was promulgated by early Rasta leader Leonard Howell, who adopted some of Garvey's black supremacist tenets. Howell used the Royal Parchment Scroll of Black Supremacy as the basis for his book The Promised Key (also published under the Hindu name Gangunguru Maragh which means "teacher of famed wisdom"), which he wrote during his imprisonment in 1934-36.

Nation of Islam
In the 1930s, the Nation of Islam emerged, coming to prominence during the 1960s, when charismatic minister Malcolm X became a spokesman for the movement. It was during the time of the American Civil Rights Movement when a number of African American organizations became more militant in their demands for equality.
The Nation of Islam teaches that white people were genetically engineered "devils", created to be liars and murderers. Sometimes also known as the Seed of Esau myth. They are held to be the enemies of all black people. The group's founders "Master Fard" Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad, preached the Doctrine of Yakub, which held that the Original Man, was an "Asiatic black man." White people, it contended, were "grafted" from black people 6,000 years ago by an ancient black scientist named Yakub.[4]
Additional to the Yakub doctrine, it's the teaching of the Nation of Islam that Allah, (God) himself is the original and supreme black man and that all black men today are a part of this God-race and the black race is thus divine and superior to all other races. It's also the teaching of the Nation of Islam that some time in the future, Allah will bring a spaceship into the earth's atmosphere and bomb the cities of the world so that the unconverted white race will be purged from the earth. This ideology culminated in the creation of the Death Angels, a branch of the Nation of Islam. Between 1972 and 1974, the Death Angels murdered 71 white men, women, and children in the San Francisco Bay area. These murders would later become known as the Zebra murders because the police used Radio Z to keep up to date with them.[5] [6]
Elijah Muhammad also preached black self-reliance, black separatism, cooperative economics, strict moral and physical discipline, and opposition to black-white miscegenation. Since its founding, the NOI has gone through reorganizations and internal conflicts, but even as it moves closer to the mainstream of Islamic belief and practice (such as the observance of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting), Farrakhan's organization has not rejected any of Master Fard's doctrines. It opposes any changes in the major beliefs and programs that were instituted by Elijah Muhammad, including the annual "Savior's Day".[7] [8] [9]
Members of the NOI have been criticized for making anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-handicapped, and anti-homosexual statements, even urging the murder of such people.[10][11]
Most historians and social scientists classify the Nation of Islam also as a black nationalist, or black separatist, organization. Recently, the Southern Poverty Law Center headed by Morris Dees placed the Nation of Islam on its list of hate groups.[12]

Melanin Theory
Based on the single-origin hypothesis, black supremacists believe that, because human beings first evolved in Africa with darkly pigmented skin, blacks are more advanced than other peoples of the planet. They claim that the early, powerful civilizations of Nubia and early dynastic Egypt are proof of inherent melanin-based superiority, as well as other examples of Afrocentrism. This contention, known generally as "melanin theory", is founded upon a combination of scientific information and pseudo-scientific claims, and has been a subject of interest among some African-Americans since the discovery of melanin as an organic semiconductor in the early 1970s.
The purported qualities of melanin, some accurate, some based on distortions of scientific fact or speculation, are used to justify black supremacist assertions. The central idea of "Melanin Theory" is that the levels of melanin in dark skin naturally enhance intelligence and emotional, psychic and spiritual sensitivity.
Believers in melanin theory claim that the greater concentration of cutaneous melanin functions as a semiconductor of sound and heat energy. Some assert it is a superconductor of electromagnetic radiation, and others that it can convert light and magnetic fields to sound; that it can process information without reporting to the brain; and, further, that it is the chemical basis for what is commonly called "soul".
They also claim that, because neuromelanin, which is found in the substantia nigra (in Latin, literally "black substance") of the human brain, plays a role in the transmission of neuronal impulses, higher levels of melanin in skin enable nerve synapses to fire more quickly and efficiently as well, thereby enhancing the natural athleticism of blacks. However, no direct correlation between race and the level of melanin in the substantia nigra has been observed.
One of the most widely accepted and fundamental notions of melanin theory is that whites are "mutants", that white skin is an aberration, a form of albinism. Melanin theorist Wade Nobles takes this notion even further, stating that only blacks are fully human because of their higher levels of skin melanin:
That in the evolution of the species, in what some people call the ontogenetic evolution of humankind, that in the evolution of the species the human family separated in a sense that one branch of the family stopped its evolutionary path and simply depended upon the central nervous system as the total machinery for understanding reality. Whereas, the root of the family continued its path and not only evolved a central nervous system but developed what I called at that time an essential melanic system. And that I even went so far as to try to develop a little formula and suggested that CNS + EMS = HB. CNS (Central Nervous System) + EMS (Essential Melanic System) = HB (Human Being). That the central nervous system combined with the essential melanic system is what makes you human. That, in fact, to be human is to be Black. To be human is to be Black. (Nobles 1989).
Others, such as psychiatrist and writer Frances Cress Welsing, express the same idea by their use of the term "hue-man" instead of "human,". Welsing is the author of "The Cress Theory of Color Confrontation" and "The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors", which in part ascribes certain purported, inherent and behavioral differences between blacks and whites to a "melanin deficiency" in whites:
On both St. Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day, the white male gives gifts of chocolate candy with nuts…. If his sweetheart ingests "chocolate with nuts," the white male can fantasize that he is genetically equal to the Black male…. Is it not also curious that when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the large brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically resign themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation—in full final realization of white genetic recessiveness.[3]
Welsing also claims that the prevalence of high blood pressure among African Americans is due to the fact that melanin exchanges "black photons" with other electrons and, therefore, picks up the negative energy vibrations from white people.
Welsing proposes that because it is so easy for pure whiteness to be genetically lost during interracial breeding, light-skinned peoples developed an aggressive colonial urge and their societies militaristically dominated others in order to preserve this light-skinned purity. This sort of idea is easy to discredit - besides its obvious reductionism (painting every topic in terms of race), it also contains the logical implication that we should expect the darkest-skinned peoples to have also developed similar anxieties and goals, since extremely dark skin is as subject to lightening as extremely light skin is to darkening. Welsing presented these ideas at a 2003 conference on race at Michigan State University, but seemed more interested in simply asserting them rather than having them critically evaluated and molded into an actual developing theory.
Melanin theorist Carol Barnes claims that white scientists have deliberately created drugs such as cocaine, which are specially structured to chemically bind with melanin. Barnes claims that melanin and cocaine have a high affinity for each other because both are alkaloids, and that blacks get addicted faster, stay addicted longer, can test positive for cocaine even a year after its most recent use, and suffer more from these drugs because cocaine co-polymerizes into melanin. Yet, melanin is not an alkaloid, and there is no evidence that melanin co-polymerizes with cocaine in vivo. He further writes in his book "Melanin: The Chemical Key to Black Greatness":
Melanin is responsible for the existence of civilization, philosophy, religion, truth, justice, and righteousness. Individuals (whites) containing low levels of Melanin will behave in a barbaric manner. Melanin gives humans the ability to FEEL because it is the absorber of all frequencies of energy. Since whites have the least amount of Melanin, this is why they are perceived by People of Color as generally being rigid, unfeeling (heartless), cold, calculating, mental, and "unspiritual." [4]
This hypothesis is supported by black academic Leonard Jeffries, who was dismissed in 1992 from his post as chairman of the Harlem's City College Black Studies department for having allegedly made anti-Semitic statements. Jeffries claims that the pigment melanin is the source of intelligence and creativity. He divides humanity into African “sun people” and European “ice people,” the latter being not only melanin-deficient but born cold and greedy, militaristic, authoritarian, and possessed of a host of other racially determined defects.
Most scientists consider Melanin Theory pseudoscience; it has no credibility in mainstream medicine or science.

But disregard this as the bullshit "Whitey" teaches right? I dunno it convinced me that I'm the devil.

Dring Da Ruckus is far from soothing.

The rest of this isn't directed towards anyone specifically.
Why is the NGE so secretive with it's teachings? Why is it mostly taught by word of mouth to predominanntly black people? Why no documents made available to the general public? Why are they so eager to "Spread the knowledge" that the white man is devil, but no one ever wants to share the 120 lessons?! Aren't you supposed to be "Poor righteuos teachers"? Teaching the uncivilized? Put up or shut up. Who is more uncivilized than the white devil? Teach me. I think I know why you won't. It's because there are people reading who aren't oppressed, who do not live in ghetto, who aren't harrassed by white police because they're black, and who won't buy into the propoganda bullshit racism. What you teach won't appeal to them, much less make sense and it would be publicly debunked for what it is. BUllshit. You can Show and Prove me wrong. I've asked people on this board several times to explain to me the meaning of "white man is devil", but to no avail. All i ever have gotten back was nonsense "wisdom" and "knowledge" typed to me in all caps about my "NATURE" and "WAYS and Actions" or was referred to some maniacal tyrant or group in history who happened to be white that commited some atrocity against black people as "scientific evidence". Never is it broken down in plain understandable english. Words are powerful. The terms "God" and "Devil" are associated with religion and with positive and negative connotations, respectively. When you associate the white people with a word traditionally used to describe something infinitely evil, something hated by the righteous, you are having a negative impact on peoples opinions and perspectives of the white race. Not to mention pissing off alot of white people. What function does saying this serve? Why can't you realize this statement is viewed as racist? Why is this behavior acceptable?
I am not advocating racism in any form. To discriminate against a group of people for reason of genetics or appearance is plainly wrong. I think its bullshit how society and this forum says it's ok for these motherfuckers over here to pop racist shit, but it's not ok for these motherfuckers over here to pop racist shit.
Hip-hop has been infused with 5% teachings since even before Rakim. Oftentimes the content is immensley positive and inspiring. Others it is extremely prejudiced. One does not need to identify with, nor agree with the lyrical content of music in order to appreciate and enjoy it fully.

Stevan
05-26-2006, 02:20 PM
lol



read it agin " dont >>>>THINK<<<< i ever hear of NAtion of gods and earths before i heard WU tang"

and what exactly do you think you pointed out by quoting that sentence of mine??? was that the only sentence that you could qoute or what?
i have no atention of writeing the same things three times. Its not worth the time. Stop qouting the same thinks over and over and repeting stuff 4 those who cant read

here you go

my qoute

"if there wasnt someone who would link these people together to a degree who knows where it would all end up ( i can already imagine the situation of every single WU fan walking by Ol Dirty not giving a second to think other that "Stupid High Bum" while he screams on the street out fun/ or money/ or whatever high that made him do that... but im glad he did)"

do you read stuff before writeing or just see the word stupid and think that i called Dirty stupid or what? You trying to tell me you walk around every bum on the street high of crack and think "oh thats just his style"
Thats not style thats life and what the fuck you bring manson in this?


and when did i said that wu is a strictly 5% group for you to corect me
in that??

one more qoute from myself

"It really dont bother me that much( and i figured the reason is that it is not strong enough to bother me) I just thought about for some times while listening to Wu and Hip hop in general related to 5%. Its not like someone made a song where it say for the whole 5 minutes : "THe WHITE MAN IS DEvIL, THE WHITE mAN IS DEVIL... And WE Are RacistS Yo... Uh NA MEAN" lol
and when i hear it im supose to go in a mood : "OH my God , they are racist" . No, it aint like that at all. I was saying that there is a lot in that beside the "white being the devil " in that thats not aight with me, and bgecause of that i dont give it credit"

"WUu has GREAT lyrics"

and my point wasnt made about should WU TANG rap 5% or not
My point was more directed toward the 5% system of values and their science so there is no need to tryin to diss me with manson( i guess you probably think that manson is a diss)

read this again if you missed it

quote
"I just thought about for some times while listening to Wu and Hip hop in general related to 5%. Its not like someone made a song where it say for the whole 5 minutes : "THe WHITE MAN IS DEvIL, THE WHITE mAN IS DEVIL... And WE Are RacistS Yo... Uh NA MEAN" lol
and when i hear it im supose to go in a mood : "OH my God , they are racist" . No, it aint like that at all. I was saying that there is a lot in that beside the "white being the devil " in that thats not aight with me, and bgecause of that i dont give it credit"

and i have a keyboard issue if someone is interested in asking on that topic and typing
cause i see you READ everything



and how exactly should i have heard about 5% before listening to WU TANG(that was the first sentence in the start... just to get back to it)
Its not like there is anything to hear about them. Just a bunch of thoughts from religion and various sciences mixed. Anyone who read anything about anything sees that as soon as they start to get deeper in the subject. What? They use mathemathics and that makes it aight? Just because mathematics is for smart people or what? Before some people heard of 5% in the WU TANG they didnt knew how to multiply two simple numbers together and now the like mathematicians?

here you go you might mised this
qoute
"It needs to grow and evolve... no... wait it already should have evolved. Like i said i like parts of it... and i mean PARTS... and thats just because these are all they are--- PARTS. Its made of parts of random ideas that made some sense(in their own way)
borowed ways of thinking and randomly inserted"




maybe your dumb deaf and blind lol

Stevan
05-26-2006, 02:21 PM
damn dog


you posted that right about when i was writeing mine



now im gona have to read it all again

later bro

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 02:22 PM
Damo...Geez!

Paraphrase or sometin'....

I didn't say go copy and paste a long ass post.

That's not doing the knowledge....you supposed to study it and put it in your own words.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 02:26 PM
fuck that 5% ideology it's nothing but a closed minded theory. im muslim and got lots of respect for other religion but fuck that 5% shit bunch of losers callin themselves god, if ya god how come the world is in a fucked up situation with all these wars going on, exactly u aint god u aint god the power of god. before we didn't really care and we didn't know what was the 5%, but now buddy a lot of muslim(arabs,blacks african,and middle eastern) know more about it and it's start to irritate us , and for sure using the name allah ya better leave that alone if ya aint muslim dont use it get ur own word. if ya 5% come to france ya see how ya gonna be welcomed by the muslim brothers

That's pathetic. The 5% are righteous people.

Ya'll should be worrying about them devils who bomb ya countries and hate you muslims, they kill your muslim children in the middle east.

They fuck up the whole world, and all you can do is say stupid shit about the 5%....just pathetic!

denaturat
05-26-2006, 02:27 PM
everyone has the potential to do both good and evil. circumstances bring out one or the other in both black and white people, because both are equal. don't let hate cloud your judgment about people.

Damo
05-26-2006, 02:30 PM
I did study it Aqueous moon. I posted it for your viewing pleasure and ease. I don't see a correlation between melnain or the Pineal Gland and White's being the devil. You're just dodging my points. Just like every other time I post something regarding the racism of the NGE.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 02:36 PM
The rest of this isn't directed towards anyone specifically.
Why is the NGE so secretive with it's teachings? Why is it mostly taught by word of mouth to predominanntly black people? Why no documents made available to the general public? Why are they so eager to "Spread the knowledge" that the white man is devil, but no one ever wants to share the 120 lessons?! Aren't you supposed to be "Poor righteuos teachers"? Teaching the uncivilized? Put up or shut up. Who is more uncivilized than the white devil? Teach me. I think I know why you won't. It's because there are people reading who aren't oppressed, who do not live in ghetto, who aren't harrassed by white police because they're black, and who won't buy into the propoganda bullshit racism. What you teach won't appeal to them, much less make sense and it would be publicly debunked for what it is. BUllshit. You can Show and Prove me wrong. I've asked people on this board several times to explain to me the meaning of "white man is devil", but to no avail. All i ever have gotten back was nonsense "wisdom" and "knowledge" typed to me in all caps about my "NATURE" and "WAYS and Actions" or was referred to some maniacal tyrant or group in history who happened to be white that commited some atrocity against black people as "scientific evidence". Never is it broken down in plain understandable english. Words are powerful. The terms "God" and "Devil" are associated with religion and with positive and negative connotations, respectively. When you associate the white people with a word traditionally used to describe something infinitely evil, something hated by the righteous, you are having a negative impact on peoples opinions and perspectives of the white race. Not to mention pissing off alot of white people. What function does saying this serve? Why can't you realize this statement is viewed as racist? Why is this behavior acceptable?
I am not advocating racism in any form. To discriminate against a group of people for reason of genetics or appearance is plainly wrong. I think its bullshit how society and this forum says it's ok for these motherfuckers over here to pop racist shit, but it's not ok for these motherfuckers over here to pop racist shit.
Hip-hop has been infused with 5% teachings since even before Rakim. Oftentimes the content is immensley positive and inspiring. Others it is extremely prejudiced. One does not need to identify with, nor agree with the lyrical content of music in order to appreciate and enjoy it fully.

The 120 lessons are on the internet.

We teach everything about our knowledge, but ya'll won't accept the truth.

Why should we get kicked off the forum?? It is a Wu tang forum, and most of them have the same 5% knowledge we talk about on here.

If you all offended, then why do you listen to Wu tang.

Oh, I remember...it's cause it soothes you.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 02:45 PM
I did study it Aqueous moon. I posted it for your viewing pleasure and ease. I don't see a correlation between melnain or the Pineal Gland and White's being the devil. You're just dodging my points. Just like every other time I post something regarding the racism of the NGE.
http://www.africawithin.com/welsing/welsing_interview.htm

^^^ Great lil interview with Dr. Welsing. Read her book 'Isis Papers' to get more understanding.


http://www.pyramidoftruth.com/MELANIN.html

^^^ Great info on melanin and the pinneal gland.

It ain't about dodging anything. It's just not as complicated as you are making it seem.

http://www.thenationofislam.org/supremewisdom.html

^^^ the 120 and supreme wisdom....which I have linked here on KTL in the past.

denaturat
05-26-2006, 02:46 PM
a philospher who is wise, never calls himself wise, because a truly wise person realises the limitations of his knowledge. thus he is always humble.

a person who is moral, never calls himself just. if he called himself just, then it would appear that he does what he does in order to boast to others later. that is not a moral thing to do. his actions should speak for theselves. notice how the US uses terms like justice and freedom in names of military operations? that's because it is dubious that this is in fact so. the words are a smoke screen.

a person who is a leader, never calls himself a leader. if he asserts his leadership with refernce to his title, its a sign he lost his leadership. remember Scarface? Al pacino: yeah, you're the boss...you finished? can I go now?

keep this in mind when you assert that you have knowledge or wisdom, that you are kings or gods, and that you are pure while someone else is the devil - these assertions do not turn out in your favour.

White_Mouse
05-26-2006, 02:46 PM
Does anyone kow the "tower of bable" story in the bible.
in it the people all speak ONE language and decide to build a tower to "heaven" and say that they are "god". What does God do... he confuses their languages and makes it so that cna't build this tower.
the God i beleive in is ZEALOUS.
nad he's not white, black, chinese, or green or purple.
HE IS.

Prince Rai
05-26-2006, 02:49 PM
two great last posts^^

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 02:51 PM
a philospher who is wise, never calls himself wise, because a truly wise person realises the limitations of his knowledge. thus he is always humble.

a person who is moral, never calls himself just. if he called himself just, then it would appear that he does what he does in order to boast to others later. that is not a moral thing to do. his actions should speak for theselves. notice how the US uses terms like justice and freedom in names of military operations? that's because it is dubious that this is in fact so. the words are a smoke screen.

a person who is a leader, never calls himself a leader. if he asserts his leadership with refernce to his title, its a sign he lost his leadership. remember Scarface? Al pacino: yeah, you're the boss...you finished? can I go now?

keep this in mind when you assert that you have knowledge or wisdom, that you are kings or gods, and that you are pure while someone else is the devil - these assertions do not turn out in your favour.

It's not about being boastful.

If we don't tell the truth and shame the devil, then noone else will do it for us.

It's about teaching the Truth....

And we say the Blackman is God so, ya'll think we talking about some super-natural, saint type of stuff.

No, the point is that to get our people from believing in some spook mystery god in the sky and realize that with knowledge, wisdom, and understanding we can accomplish heaven here on Earth.

Damo
05-26-2006, 02:52 PM
Where are the lessons on the net? Lemme guess you're gonna tell me to "Do the knowledge" on my own right? Provide a link and bless me with some truth. I provided you with a "long ass post" as you put it. Return the favor.

Who said you shoulld get kicked off of anything besides that racist shit yer on?

Wu-Tang doesn't ofend me. Black Supremists do. So what Wu-Tang has the knowledge that you talk about, doesn't mean I have to agree. Like I said, a person doesn't have to dick ride an artist so much as to agree with what they are saying in their music.

Here's some more knowledge:

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v. soothed, sooth·ing, soothes
v.tr. 1. To calm or placate.
2. To ease or relieve (pain, for example).

v.intr. To bring comfort, composure, or relief.

I can't think of a single Wu-Tang clan track that has that effect on me...

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 02:55 PM
Does anyone kow the "tower of bable" story in the bible.
in it the people all speak ONE language and decide to build a tower to "heaven" and say that they are "god". What does God do... he confuses their languages and makes it so that cna't build this tower.
the God i beleive in is ZEALOUS.
nad he's not white, black, chinese, or green or purple.
HE IS.

You got one thing right...God is hueman, he would have to be to have emotion like jealousy.

What you need to realize is that huemans have skin complexion, God has skin.

You might not like to think like that because it's not all romanticized.

The devil is also hueman, and he has a skin complexion.

Prince Rai
05-26-2006, 02:57 PM
the problem is perception and interpretation of what is being said and claimed.

things that sound offensive will be shunned, without actually being studied.

yes, "boasting" is bad, but is what is being heard by our ears in the sense boastful, that it undermines the message?

or is the statement(s) such that they seem so bold that they are interpreted as boastful?

meaning that, not all that is said is meant to be boastful, just mere consequence of reality?

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 02:58 PM
Where are the lessons on the net? Lemme guess you're gonna tell me to "Do the knowledge" on my own right? Provide a link and bless me with some truth. I provided you with a "long ass post" as you put it. Return the favor.

Who said you shoulld get kicked off of anything besides that racist shit yer on?

Wu-Tang doesn't ofend me. Black Supremists do. So what Wu-Tang has the knowledge that you talk about, doesn't mean I have to agree. Like I said, a person doesn't have to dick ride an artist so much as to agree with what they are saying in their music.

Here's some more knowledge:

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v. soothed, sooth·ing, soothes
v.tr. 1. To calm or placate.
2. To ease or relieve (pain, for example).

v.intr. To bring comfort, composure, or relief.

I can't think of a single Wu-Tang clan track that has that effect on me...

I did provide links.

And the definition seems right and exact to me.

You wouldn't listen to the Wu at all if it didn't bring you comfort, composure, or rellief.

Prince Rai
05-26-2006, 02:58 PM
You got one thing right...God is hueman, he would have to be to have emotion like jealousy.

What you need to realize is that huemans have skin complexion, God has skin.

You might not like to think like that because it's not all romanticized.

The devil is also hueman, and he has a skin complexion.

the problem comes where there is a lack of education as to why and how the complexions are attributed as either God or devil.

LHX
05-26-2006, 03:00 PM
G fLex-
"This whole shit is pretty immatured....if sumone thinks that wu tang is preaching 5% and u dun like it fuck it dont listen to it then.....i dun listen to punk music coz their idealogy is different n i cant agree on it i dont listen to it then go arnd finding faults n start talkin shit n cause problems among us fans of the same love of WU...and if u still listen u shud respect it...dats coz u love the sound the rhymes the beats the characters they play...and everytime theres an argument abt black n white its gotta do be involving religion and forever its gotta be chrisianity n muslims....u ppl claim so called truth n cant stand being diffrent just because your fuckin colours are different...and stevan its only a handful of songs wu rep the 5% n talk bt it they only are using rap music to convey their message and their dissatisfaction coz thats the base of rap music....its not like i hv not heard rock music cursing out blacks n using the N word freely..
and btw ODB is not "stupid "..thats his style u druggie idiot go snatch a purse n listen to manson"

-The first thing you said was dissing the immaturity of this thread and the last thing you said was the most immature shit posted in this thread.

That's not the reason I'm posting though. I'm probably gonna get my ass banned for this shit, but I've been reading the 5%'s beliefs on this site for years, now It's my turn. Why is it acceptable for blacks to be racist?!


Yasir Allah-

"I have no problem with whites, I do not disrespect white people"
"Do I belive the white man is the Devil? No, I KNOW THE WHITE MAN IS DEVIL!!"

-That is not only disrespectful, but also contradictory.

Tauro-

"For the record I also don't agree with the stuff coming fron the 5% nation, and you are right to say that if a black person says the white man is the devil it is a double standard..in a sense, but like someone has said already reverse racism towards white people does not have the same effect than being the other way round. White people hold nearly all the control in this world, they hold nearly all the top corporate positions and most live in up market housing areas while black people for the most part live in poor dilapidated housing and are unable to find employment. Is this all the fault of white people?, not entirly but they have been responsible for the positioning of ethnic minorites in underprivllaged areas. Because of the strong foothold white people have in the world the notion of racism towards them basicly becomes redundant. Look at it this way the white man is a metaphor for success while the black man is a metaphor for poverty, if a white man verbally abuses a black man it is like kicking someone when their down, while if it's the other way around it is seen as the underdog standing up for himself.
This is not an attack on white people on the contrary, I am just trying to explain the effect of racisim towards white people and how it does not tend to have the same impact"

-Racism is still wrong no matter what reason is being used to justify it.

Aqueous-

"I would like to know...and this is a real question.
Why do you white folks get all offended when a Black person says that the white man is the devil??
For real, it's cuz you know it's true!!"

-No, it offends me because it's blatant racism.

"Shiiiit, sometimes I call them the made men or the grafted ones, sometimes we refer to whites as the weaker germ of man..."

-How is that NOT a racist statement?! Sometimes white people call blacks un-evolved humans or the evolutionary missing link between primates and humans (Which is not my personal belief and is racist)... Whites have gotten banned from forums, ass-kickings and much worse for saying so. What you're saying here is the equivalent or worse. WHY IS THAT OK?!

"Besides, white people are scientifically, biologically, genetically, mentally, and anatomically weaker than black people"

-How is that "Right and exact"? You born skinny and weak? Eat right and excersize and you can be a damn body builder. Born stupid? Go to school and get a PHD. The only time that ain't true is when someone is born with disabilities, which happens in all races.

"We don't hate you because we understand that you can't help yourselves"

-If that's not why you hate us, then why do you you hate us? If we can't help ourselves from being devlish why don't you accept it and move on or do something to change it, which brings me to this-

"and we also don't have the military power to exterminate you....others do."

-So what you're saying is that if the NGE did have the military power to exterminate whites, they would? You tell me who has the power to exterminate an entire race of people. Who exactly should be my worry? Even Hitler couldn't do it and he had the help pf the "Superior Original Man"- The Japanese.

"I mean......if a white person called me a devil, I would laugh at them.
Because, that just wouldn't make sense when it is whites who have raped and pilaged their way to the top of the world, not Blacks"

-If blacks could have, they would have. There is NO other way to the top of the world but through violence, deception or some kinda shady method. "Just look at history" as many a 5%er would say. How could an inferior race of people have achieved world dominance? They must not be so inferior. Don't give me that Tricknology bullshit neither because that would just be a testament to the stupidity of the people who bought into it (According to 5%ers blacks oppressed by whites).

"It's just stupid to worry about the NGE, when are sooo willing to educate ya'll and give you soothing music that you need."

Y'all ain't willing to educate shit! More on that in a moment. This reminds me of what Venex and you yoursellf said "That's the problem with you people who try to judge the NGE off of the Wu." Alot of whites have only a limited knowledge of the NGE gained through the music of the Wu-Tang Clan. Which leads most to believe by and large that it's a black supremacist cult.

"Do the knowledge on the pineal gland and melanin."

Here's some knowledge:

The Pineal Gland
Location
The pineal gland is a reddish-gray body about the size of a pea (8 mm in humans) located just rostro-dorsal to the superior colliculus and behind and beneath the stria medullaris, between the laterally positioned thalamic bodies. It is part of the epithalamus.
The pineal gland is a midline structure, and is often seen in plain skull X-rays, as it is often calcified.

Structure and composition
The pineal gland consists mainly of pinealocytes, but four other cell types have been identified: interstitial cells, perivascular phagocyte, pineal neurons and peptidergic neuron-like cells.
The pineal body consists in humans of a lobular parenchyma of pinealocytes surrounded by connective tissue spaces. The glands is covered on the surface by a pial capsule. The pinealocytes consist of a cell body from where 4-6 processes emerge. The pinealocytes can be stained by special silver impregnation methods. Between the pinealocytes are insterstitial cells located. Many capillaries are present in the gland, and close to these blood vessels are perivascular phagocytes located. The perivascular phagocytes are antigen presenting cells. In higher vertebrates neurons are located in the pineal gland. However, these are not present in rodents. In some species, neuronal-like peptidergic cells are poresent. These cells might have a paracrine regulatory function. In humans follicles containing a variable quantity of gritty material, called brain sand, acervuli, or corpora arenacea, are present. Chemical analysis of acervuli show that they are composed of calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, magnesium phosphate, and ammonium phosphate. (Bocchi & Valdre, 1993). Recently, calcite deposits have been described as well (Baconnier et al., 2002).
Pinealocytes in lower[vertebrate]] animals have a strong resemblance to the photoreceptor cells of the eye. Some evolutionary biologists believe that the vertebrate pineal gland can be evolutionarily traced to a proto-eye structure in early vertebrate organisms (Klein, 2004). In birds, the pineal gland is located on the surface of the brain, directly under the skull and contains the photoreceptors to regulate their biological clock[1]. In humans and other mammals, this function is served by the retinohypothalamic system that sets the rhythm within the suprachiasmatic nucleus. Cultural and social interactions produce exposures to artificial light that influence the setting of the suprachiasmatic clock. Evidence for a role for opsin-related light-sensing compounds in the skin of mammals is presently controversial.

Function
The pineal gland was originally believed to be a "vestigial remnant" of a larger organ (much as the appendix is now thought to be a vestigial digestive organ). It was only after the 1960's that scientists discovered that the pineal gland is responsible for the production of melatonin, which is regulated in a circadian rhythm. Melatonin is a derivative of the amino acid tryptophan, which also has other functions in the Central Nervous System. The production of melatonin by the pineal gland is stimulated by darkness and inhibited by light (Axelrod, 1970). The retina detects the light, and directly signals and entrains the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN). Fibers project from the SCN to the paraventricular nuclei (PVN), which relay the circadian signals to the spinal cord and out via the sympathetic system to superior cervical ganglia (SCG), and from there into the pineal gland.
The pineal gland is large in children, but shrinks at puberty. It appears to play a major role in sexual development, hibernation in animals, metabolism, and seasonal breeding. The abundant melatonin levels in children is believed to inhibit sexual development. When puberty arrives, melatonin production is reduced.
Pineal cytostructure seems to have evolutionary similarities to the retinal cells of chordates (Klein, 2004). Modern birds and reptiles have been found to express the phototransducing pigment melanopsin in the pineal gland. Avian pineal glands are believed to act like the suprachiasmatic nucleus in mammals (Natesan et al., 2002).
Reports in rodents suggest that the pineal gland may influence the actions of drugs of abuse such as cocaine [1] and antidepressants such as fluoxetine (Prozac)[2]; and contribute to regulation of neuronal vulnerability[3]. In addition, it has been proposed by Rick Strassman that the pineal gland is responsible for manufacture of endogenous dimethyltryptamine (DMT) although this is only speculation. There are some who believe DMT has a role in dreaming and possibly near-death experiences and other mystical states, and, although not proven, it was hypothesized in 1988 by Jace Callaway that DMT is connected with visual dreaming.

Mythology
The pineal gland was the last endocrine gland to have its function discovered. Its location deep in the brain seemed to indicate its importance. This combination led to its being a "mystery" gland with myth, superstition and even metaphysical theories surrounding its perceived function.
Rene Descartes called the pineal gland the "seat of the soul" [2], believing it is unique in the anatomy of the human brain in being a structure not duplicated on the right and left sides. This observation is not true, however; under a microscope one finds the pineal gland is divided into two fine hemispheres.
The pineal gland is occasionally associated with the sixth chakra (also called Ajna or the third eye chakra in yoga). It is believed by some to be a dormant organ that can be awakened to enable "telepathic" communication.

And some more:
Melanin in humans
In humans, melanin is found in skin, hair, the coat of the retina, the renal medulla and zona reticularis of the adrenal gland, the inner ear, and the substantia nigra (in Latin, literally "black substance") and locus ceruleus ("blue spot") of the brain. Melanin is the primary determinant of human skin color.
Dermal melanin is produced by melanocytes, which are found in the stratum basale of the epidermis. Although human beings generally possess a similar concentration of melanocytes in their skin, the melanocytes in some individuals and races more frequently or less frequently express the melanin-producing genes, thereby conferring a greater or lesser concentration of skin melanin. Some individual animals and humans have no or very little melanin in their bodies, which is a condition known as albinism.
Because melanin is an aggregate of smaller component molecules, there are a number of different types of melanin with differing proportions and bonding patterns of these component molecules. Both pheomelanin and eumelanin are found in human skin and hair, but eumelanin is the most abundant melanin in humans, as well as the form most likely to be deficient in albinism.
Eumelanin polymers have long been thought to comprise numerous cross-linked dihydroxyindole polymers; recent research into the electrical properties of eumelanin, however, has indicated that it may consist of more basic oligomers adhering to one another by some other mechanism. Thus, the precise nature of eumelanin's molecular structure is once again the object of study. Eumelanin is found in hair and skin, and colors hair from brown to black. In humans, it is more abundant in peoples with dark skin.
Pheomelanin is also found in hair and skin and is more abundant in fair-skinned humans. Pheomelanin imparts a yellow to reddish hue and, thus, is found in particularly large quantities in blonde and red hair. Pheomelanin also may become cancerous when exposed to the ultraviolet rays of the sun.
Neuromelanin is the dark pigment, dopamine polymer that makes the substantia nigra or Dark Matter of the human brain. It's destruction is associated with Parkinson's disease. It is present in the locus ceruleus of the human brain. Neuromelanin has been detected in primates and in carnivores such as cats and dogs.
Synthetic pathway
The first step of the synthetic pathway for both eumelanins and pheomelanins is mediated by tyrosinase:
Tyrosine ? DOPA ? dopaquinone
Dopaquinone can combine with cysteine by two pathways to benzothiazines and pheomelanins
Dopaquinone + cysteine - 5-S-cysteinyldopa - benzothiazine intermediate - pheomelanin
Dopaquinone + cysteine - 2-S-cysteinyldopa - benzothiazine intermediate - pheomelanin
Alternatively, dopaquinone can be converted to leucodopachrome and follow two more pathways to the eumelanins
Dopaquinone - leucodopachrome - dopachrome - 5,6-dihydroxyindole-2-carboxylic acid - quinone - eumelanin

Melanin deficiency in genetic disorders and disease states
Melanin deficiency has been connected for some time with various genetic abnormalities and disease states.
There are approximately ten different types of oculocutaneous albinism, which is mostly an autosomal recessive disorder. Certain ethnicities have higher incidences of different forms. For example, the most common type, called oculocutaneous albinism type 2 (OCA2), is especially frequent among people of indigenous African descent. It is an autosomal recessive disorder characterized by a congenital reduction or absence of melanin pigment in the skin, hair and eyes. The estimated frequency of OCA2 among African-Americans is 1 in 10,000, which contrasts with a frequency of 1 in 36,000 in white Americans [1]. In some African nations, the frequency of the disorder is even higher, ranging from 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000.[2] Another form of Albinism, the "yellow oculocutaneous albinism", appears to be more prevalent among the Amish, who are of primarily Swiss and German ancestry. People with this IB variant of the disorder commonly have white hair and skin at birth, but rapidly develop normal skin pigmentation in infancy.[3]
Ocular albinism affects not only eye pigmentation, but visual acuity, as well. People with albinism typically test poorly, within the 20/60 to 20/400 range. Additionally, two forms of albinism, with approximately 1 in 2700 most prevalent among people of Puerto Rican origin, are associated with mortality beyond melanoma-related deaths.
Mortality also is increased in patients with Hermansky-Pudlak syndrome and Chediak-Higashi syndrome. Patients with Hermansky-Pudlak syndrome have a bleeding diathesis secondary to platelet dysfunction and also experience restrictive lung disease (pulmonary fibrosis), inflammatory bowel disease, cardiomyopathy, and renal disease. Patients with Chediak-Higashi syndrome are susceptible to infection and also can develop lymphofollicular malignancy.[4]
The role that melanin deficiency plays in such disorders remains under study.
The connection between albinism and deafness has been well known, though poorly understood, for more than a century-and-a-half. In his 1859 treatise On the Origin of Species, Charles Darwin observed that "cats which are entirely white and have blue eyes are generally deaf"[5]. In humans, hypopigmentation and deafness occur together in the rare Waardenberg's syndrome, predominantly observed among Hopi American Indians. [6] The incidence of albinism in Hopi Indians has been estimated as approximately 1 in 200 individuals. Interestingly, similar patterns of albinism and deafness have been found in other mammals, including dogs and rodents. However, a lack of melanin per se does not appear to be directly responsible for deafness associated with hypopigmentation, as most individuals lacking the enzymes required to synthesize melanin have normal auditory function [7]. Instead the absence of melanocytes in the stria vascularis of the inner ear results in cochlear impairment [8], though why this is not fully understood.
Persons with Parkinson's disease, a disorder that affects neuromotor functioning, have been shown to have decreased neuromelanin in the substantia nigra as consequence of diminished dopamine synthesis. While no correlation between race and the level of neuromelanin in the substantia nigra has been observed, the significantly lower incidence of Parkinson's in blacks than in whites has "prompt[ed] some to suggest that cutaneous melanin might somehow serve to protect the neuromelanin in substantia nigra from external toxins."[9]
In addition to melanin deficiency, the molecular weight of the melanin polymer may be decreased due to various factors such as oxidative stress, exposure to light, perturbation in its association with melanosomal matrix proteins, changes in pH or in local concentrations of metal ions. A decreased molecular weight or a decrease in the degree of polymerization of ocular melanin has been proposed to turn the normally anti-oxidant polymer into a pro-oxidant. In its pro-oxidant state, melanin has been suggested to be involved in the causation and progression of macular degeneration and melanoma. (Ref: Pigment cell Res. 2001; volume 14: pages 148-154. "Redox regulation in human melanocytes and melanoma")
Melanin and human adaptation
Melanocytes insert granules of melanin into specialized cellular vesicles called melanosomes. These are then transferred into the other skin cells of the human epidermis. The melanosomes in each recipient cell accumulate atop the cell nucleus, where they protect the nuclear DNA from mutations caused by the ionizing radiation of the sun's ultraviolet rays. People whose ancestors lived for long periods in the regions of the globe near the equator generally have larger quantities of eumelanin in their skins. This makes their skins brown or black and protects them against high levels of exposure to the sun, which more frequently results in melanomas in fairer-skinned people. Darker skin also tends to remain more supple and shows fewer lines and wrinkles over time than fairer skin. As a result, the faces of dark skinned people generally tend to look more youthful longer than light skinned people.
With humans, exposure to sunlight stimulates the liver to produce vitamin D. Because high levels of cutaneous melanin act as a natural sun screen, dark skin can be a risk factor for vitamin D deficiency.
In Scotland, which lies at a northern latitude, descendants of the Britons have white skin. When their skin is exposed to the meager sunlight, the scant amount of melanin their skin produces is unable to block the sunlight. Therefore, their bodies are able to make Vitamin D with the help of sunlight. Vitamin D, a vitamin found in fish oil, is necessary to prevent rickets, a bone disease caused by too little calcium.
In contrast, in Africa, which is near the equator, humans require intense sunlight to penetrate their dark skin to make Vitamin D. This is all well and good. However, when blacks lived in England during the Industrial Revolution, they were the first to develop symptoms of rickets, such as retarded growth, bowed legs and fractures because not enough sunlight was available.
Fortunately, in 1930, Vitamin D was discovered and dispensed as a supplement to add to the diet.[10]
The most recent scientific evidence indicates that all humanity originated in Africa. It is most likely that the first people had relatively large numbers of eumelanin producing melanocytes and, accordingly, darker skin (as displayed by the indigenous people of Africa, today). As some of these original peoples migrated and settled in areas of Asia and Europe, the selective pressure for eumelanin production decreased in climates where radiation from the sun was less intense. Thus variations in genes involved in melanin production began to appear in the population, resulting in lighter hair and skin in humans residing at northern latitudes. Studies have been carried out to determine whether these changes were due to genetic drift or positive selection, perhaps driven by requirement for vitamin D. Of the two common gene variants known to be associated with pale human skin, Mc1r [11] does not appear to have undergone positive selection, while SLC24A5 [12] has.
As with peoples that migrated northward, those with light skin who migrate southward acclimatize to the much stronger solar radiation. Most people's skin darkens when exposed to UV light, giving them more protection when it is needed. This is the physiological purpose of sun tanning. Dark-skinned people, who produce more skin-protecting eumelanin, are less likely to suffer from sunburn and the development of melanoma, a potentially deadly form of skin cancer, as well as other health problems related to exposure to strong solar radiation, including the photodegradation of certain vitamins such as riboflavins, carotenoids, tocopherol, and folate.
Higher eumelanin levels also can be a disadvantage, however, beyond a higher disposition toward vitamin D deficiency. Dark skin is a complicating factor in the laser removal of port-wine stains. Effective in treating fair skin, lasers generally are less successful in removing port-wine stains in Asians and people of African descent. Higher concentrations of melanin in darker-skinned individuals simply diffuse and absorb the laser radiation, inhibiting light absorption by the targeted tissue. Melanin similarly can complicate laser treatment of other dermatological conditions in people with darker skin.
Freckles and moles are formed where there is a localized concentration of melanin in the skin. They are highly associated with pale skin.
Melanin in the eyes helps protect them from ultraviolet and high frequency visible light; people with blue eyes are more at risk for sun-related eye problems. Further, the ocular lens yellows with age, providing added protection.

Physical properties and technological applications
Absorption spectrum of melanin
Melanin is a biopolymer and a neuropeptide. In the early 1970s, researchers found melanin to be an organic semiconductor (Science, vol 183, 853-855 (1974)). Studies revealed that melanin acted as an electrical threshold switch, emitting a flash of light— electroluminescence— when it switched. Though the findings were published, these findings largely were ignored. Melanin also shows negative differential resistance, a classic property of electronically active, conductive, organic polymers. In 2000, the Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to three scientists for their later 1977 work in the discovery and development of conductive polymers. The polymers utilized in this research were "polyacetylene black" melanins.
The original discoverers of switching and high electrical conductivity in melanin and related organic semiconductors were not honored in 2000. However, their melanin organic electronic device is now in the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History's "Smithsonian Chips" collection of historic solid-state electronic devices.
Melanin influences neural activity and mediates the conduction of radiation, light, heat and kinetic energy. As such, it is the subject of intense interest in biotech research and development, most notably in organic electronics (sometimes called "plastic electronics") and nanotechnology, where dopants are used to dramatically boost melanin conductivity. Pyrrole black and acetylene black are the most commonly studied organic semiconductors.
Although synthetic melanin (commonly referred to as BSM, or "black synthetic matter") is made up of 3-6 oligomeric units linked together - the so-called "protomolecule" - there is no evidence that naturally occurring biopolymer (BCM, for "black cell matter") mimics this structure. However, since there is no reason to believe that natural melanin does not belong to the category of the polyarenes and polycationic polyenes, like pyrrol black and acetylene black, it is necessary to review all the chemical and biological analytic data gathered to date in the study of natural melanins (eumelanins, pheomelanins, allomelanins)."[13]
Evidence exists in support of a highly cross-linked heteropolymer bound covalently to matrix scaffolding melanoproteins (Eur. J. Biochem. 1995; 232: 159-164 "Interaction of melanosomal proteins with melanin). It has been proposed that the ability of melanin to act as an antioxidant is directly proportional to its degree of polymerization or molecular weight (Ophthalmic research, 2005, 37: 136-141 "Melanin aggregation and polymerization: possible implications in age related macular degeneration"). Suboptimal conditions for the effective polymerization of melanin monomers may lead to formation of lower-molecular-weight, pro-oxidant melanin that is has been implicated in the causation and progression of macular degeneration and melanoma. (Clinical Cancer Res. 2004; 10: 2581-2583 "Etiologic pathogenesis of melanoma: a unifying hypothesis for the missing attributable risk"). Signaling pathways that upregulate melanization in the retinal pigment epithelium (RPE) also may be implicated in the downregulation of rod outer segment phagocytosis by the RPE. This phenomenon has been attributed in part to foveal sparing in macular degeneration. (Mol. Vis. 2005; 11: 482-490 "Melanization and phagocytosis: implications for age-related macular degeneration).

Melanin-based bias in human societies
When skin pigmentation as a characteristic of race becomes significant in some way, this phenomenon is known as racialism. Many people and societies overlay racialism with racist perceptions and systems which arbitrarily assign to groups of people a status of inherent superiority or inferiority, privilege or disadvantage based on skin color or racial classification. Apartheid-era South Africa is an example of a white supremacist society based on a system of stratification of power and privilege by skin color, as well as racial admixture. Similar examples can be found in Brazil's highly socially color-stratified society; and, in the U.S., segregation and institutional racism on the part of white-controlled institutions, and internal "color consciousness" on the part of some ethnic minorities. Prejudice against people with more highly pigmented skin is the most pervasive form of color bias. Many other societies remain informally divided on the basis of skin color and, often, related ethnicity. (See also colonialism, Nazism, pigmentocracy and institutional racism.)
Various presumptions about people with regard to hair color are far less common than skin-color bias, have far fewer and less serious real-world implications, and are more often applied to women than to men. Common stereotypes in the West are dumb blondes, hot-tempered redheads and vixen brunettes.

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Melanin Theory
Black supremacy versus white supremacy
In its simplest form, black supremacy is the belief in the inherent superiority of the "black race." Historically, white supremacy has been reinforced and sustained worldwide by instruments of Western economic, political, and military power and, as a result, it has been a central ideology in the shaping of world history. Black supremacist ideology, however, has not had a similar impact because of a lack of institutional power. In Killing Rage: Ending Racism, author and social activists bell hooks writes:
Why is it so difficult for many white folks to understand that racism is oppressive not because white folks have prejudicial feelings about blacks, but because it is a system that promotes domination and subjugation? The prejudicial feelings some blacks may express about whites are in no way linked to a system of domination the affords us any power to coercively control the lives and well-being of white folks. That needs to be understood. (1995, p. 154)[1]
In modern history, black supremacy has been a reactionary phenomenon most evident among various religions or cults. In this context, it has been used as an ideological tool in framing a kind of liberation theology for the societally marginalized and oppressed. Scholar and philosopher Cornel West comments in his essay Malcolm X and Black Rage:
The basic aim of Black Muslim theology -- with its distinct Black supremacist account of the origins of white people -- was to counter white supremacy. Yet this preoccupation with white supremacy still allowed white people to serve as the principal point of reference. That which fundamentally motivates one still dictates the terms of what one thinks and does -- so the motivation of a Black supremacist doctrine reveals how obsessed one is with white supremacy….[2]
Due to the similar racialist and separatist ideologies, some black supremacist organizations have joined forces with white supremacist or extremist organizations. Marcus Garvey invited a Ku Klux Klan spokesman to speak at one of his rallies, and the Nation of Islam has ties to George Lincoln Rockwell's American Nazi Party, both of which are known for their anti-Jewish sentiments. The NOI also has established ties with a number of organizations across racial and ethnic lines, including the Unification Church; and has a working relationship with the organization of wealthy economist and outsider politico Lyndon LaRouche, widely considered a neo-fascist by the mainstream media. White supremacist Tom Metzger of White Aryan Resistance spoke at the "National Black Power Summit and Youth Rally," hosted by the New Black Panther Party.

Rastafari

The Royal Parchment Scroll of Black Supremacy.The Rastafari movement was originally founded on principles that included a belief in the inherent wickedness of the white race and the superiority of the black race, though these beliefs rapidly evolved into a more universalist approach which accepts converts from all ethnicities. One of the three major Rastafari orders, the Bobo Ashanti Order of Rastafari, however, continues to adhere to a black supremacist doctrine.[1]
Marcus Garvey, black nationalist and recognized Rasta prophet, believed that white achievements were due to white children being taught that they are superior. By the same token, he held that if black children are taught that they are superior, then there is a greater chance that they will succeed in life.[2] [3]
Along with the Holy Piby, the Royal Parchment Scroll of Black Supremacy, written during the 1920s by proto-Rastafarian preacher Fitz Balintine Pettersburg, is recognized as one of the root documents of Rastafarian thought. It influenced Jamaican Garveyite leaders of the 1920s, and was promulgated by early Rasta leader Leonard Howell, who adopted some of Garvey's black supremacist tenets. Howell used the Royal Parchment Scroll of Black Supremacy as the basis for his book The Promised Key (also published under the Hindu name Gangunguru Maragh which means "teacher of famed wisdom"), which he wrote during his imprisonment in 1934-36.

Nation of Islam
In the 1930s, the Nation of Islam emerged, coming to prominence during the 1960s, when charismatic minister Malcolm X became a spokesman for the movement. It was during the time of the American Civil Rights Movement when a number of African American organizations became more militant in their demands for equality.
The Nation of Islam teaches that white people were genetically engineered "devils", created to be liars and murderers. Sometimes also known as the Seed of Esau myth. They are held to be the enemies of all black people. The group's founders "Master Fard" Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad, preached the Doctrine of Yakub, which held that the Original Man, was an "Asiatic black man." White people, it contended, were "grafted" from black people 6,000 years ago by an ancient black scientist named Yakub.[4]
Additional to the Yakub doctrine, it's the teaching of the Nation of Islam that Allah, (God) himself is the original and supreme black man and that all black men today are a part of this God-race and the black race is thus divine and superior to all other races. It's also the teaching of the Nation of Islam that some time in the future, Allah will bring a spaceship into the earth's atmosphere and bomb the cities of the world so that the unconverted white race will be purged from the earth. This ideology culminated in the creation of the Death Angels, a branch of the Nation of Islam. Between 1972 and 1974, the Death Angels murdered 71 white men, women, and children in the San Francisco Bay area. These murders would later become known as the Zebra murders because the police used Radio Z to keep up to date with them.[5] [6]
Elijah Muhammad also preached black self-reliance, black separatism, cooperative economics, strict moral and physical discipline, and opposition to black-white miscegenation. Since its founding, the NOI has gone through reorganizations and internal conflicts, but even as it moves closer to the mainstream of Islamic belief and practice (such as the observance of Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting), Farrakhan's organization has not rejected any of Master Fard's doctrines. It opposes any changes in the major beliefs and programs that were instituted by Elijah Muhammad, including the annual "Savior's Day".[7] [8] [9]
Members of the NOI have been criticized for making anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-handicapped, and anti-homosexual statements, even urging the murder of such people.[10][11]
Most historians and social scientists classify the Nation of Islam also as a black nationalist, or black separatist, organization. Recently, the Southern Poverty Law Center headed by Morris Dees placed the Nation of Islam on its list of hate groups.[12]

Melanin Theory
Based on the single-origin hypothesis, black supremacists believe that, because human beings first evolved in Africa with darkly pigmented skin, blacks are more advanced than other peoples of the planet. They claim that the early, powerful civilizations of Nubia and early dynastic Egypt are proof of inherent melanin-based superiority, as well as other examples of Afrocentrism. This contention, known generally as "melanin theory", is founded upon a combination of scientific information and pseudo-scientific claims, and has been a subject of interest among some African-Americans since the discovery of melanin as an organic semiconductor in the early 1970s.
The purported qualities of melanin, some accurate, some based on distortions of scientific fact or speculation, are used to justify black supremacist assertions. The central idea of "Melanin Theory" is that the levels of melanin in dark skin naturally enhance intelligence and emotional, psychic and spiritual sensitivity.
Believers in melanin theory claim that the greater concentration of cutaneous melanin functions as a semiconductor of sound and heat energy. Some assert it is a superconductor of electromagnetic radiation, and others that it can convert light and magnetic fields to sound; that it can process information without reporting to the brain; and, further, that it is the chemical basis for what is commonly called "soul".
They also claim that, because neuromelanin, which is found in the substantia nigra (in Latin, literally "black substance") of the human brain, plays a role in the transmission of neuronal impulses, higher levels of melanin in skin enable nerve synapses to fire more quickly and efficiently as well, thereby enhancing the natural athleticism of blacks. However, no direct correlation between race and the level of melanin in the substantia nigra has been observed.
One of the most widely accepted and fundamental notions of melanin theory is that whites are "mutants", that white skin is an aberration, a form of albinism. Melanin theorist Wade Nobles takes this notion even further, stating that only blacks are fully human because of their higher levels of skin melanin:
That in the evolution of the species, in what some people call the ontogenetic evolution of humankind, that in the evolution of the species the human family separated in a sense that one branch of the family stopped its evolutionary path and simply depended upon the central nervous system as the total machinery for understanding reality. Whereas, the root of the family continued its path and not only evolved a central nervous system but developed what I called at that time an essential melanic system. And that I even went so far as to try to develop a little formula and suggested that CNS + EMS = HB. CNS (Central Nervous System) + EMS (Essential Melanic System) = HB (Human Being). That the central nervous system combined with the essential melanic system is what makes you human. That, in fact, to be human is to be Black. To be human is to be Black. (Nobles 1989).
Others, such as psychiatrist and writer Frances Cress Welsing, express the same idea by their use of the term "hue-man" instead of "human,". Welsing is the author of "The Cress Theory of Color Confrontation" and "The Isis Papers: The Keys to the Colors", which in part ascribes certain purported, inherent and behavioral differences between blacks and whites to a "melanin deficiency" in whites:
On both St. Valentine’s Day and Mother’s Day, the white male gives gifts of chocolate candy with nuts…. If his sweetheart ingests "chocolate with nuts," the white male can fantasize that he is genetically equal to the Black male…. Is it not also curious that when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the large brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically resign themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation—in full final realization of white genetic recessiveness.[3]
Welsing also claims that the prevalence of high blood pressure among African Americans is due to the fact that melanin exchanges "black photons" with other electrons and, therefore, picks up the negative energy vibrations from white people.
Welsing proposes that because it is so easy for pure whiteness to be genetically lost during interracial breeding, light-skinned peoples developed an aggressive colonial urge and their societies militaristically dominated others in order to preserve this light-skinned purity. This sort of idea is easy to discredit - besides its obvious reductionism (painting every topic in terms of race), it also contains the logical implication that we should expect the darkest-skinned peoples to have also developed similar anxieties and goals, since extremely dark skin is as subject to lightening as extremely light skin is to darkening. Welsing presented these ideas at a 2003 conference on race at Michigan State University, but seemed more interested in simply asserting them rather than having them critically evaluated and molded into an actual developing theory.
Melanin theorist Carol Barnes claims that white scientists have deliberately created drugs such as cocaine, which are specially structured to chemically bind with melanin. Barnes claims that melanin and cocaine have a high affinity for each other because both are alkaloids, and that blacks get addicted faster, stay addicted longer, can test positive for cocaine even a year after its most recent use, and suffer more from these drugs because cocaine co-polymerizes into melanin. Yet, melanin is not an alkaloid, and there is no evidence that melanin co-polymerizes with cocaine in vivo. He further writes in his book "Melanin: The Chemical Key to Black Greatness":
Melanin is responsible for the existence of civilization, philosophy, religion, truth, justice, and righteousness. Individuals (whites) containing low levels of Melanin will behave in a barbaric manner. Melanin gives humans the ability to FEEL because it is the absorber of all frequencies of energy. Since whites have the least amount of Melanin, this is why they are perceived by People of Color as generally being rigid, unfeeling (heartless), cold, calculating, mental, and "unspiritual." [4]
This hypothesis is supported by black academic Leonard Jeffries, who was dismissed in 1992 from his post as chairman of the Harlem's City College Black Studies department for having allegedly made anti-Semitic statements. Jeffries claims that the pigment melanin is the source of intelligence and creativity. He divides humanity into African “sun people” and European “ice people,” the latter being not only melanin-deficient but born cold and greedy, militaristic, authoritarian, and possessed of a host of other racially determined defects.
Most scientists consider Melanin Theory pseudoscience; it has no credibility in mainstream medicine or science.

But disregard this as the bullshit "Whitey" teaches right? I dunno it convinced me that I'm the devil.

Dring Da Ruckus is far from soothing.

The rest of this isn't directed towards anyone specifically.
Why is the NGE so secretive with it's teachings? Why is it mostly taught by word of mouth to predominanntly black people? Why no documents made available to the general public? Why are they so eager to "Spread the knowledge" that the white man is devil, but no one ever wants to share the 120 lessons?! Aren't you supposed to be "Poor righteuos teachers"? Teaching the uncivilized? Put up or shut up. Who is more uncivilized than the white devil? Teach me. I think I know why you won't. It's because there are people reading who aren't oppressed, who do not live in ghetto, who aren't harrassed by white police because they're black, and who won't buy into the propoganda bullshit racism. What you teach won't appeal to them, much less make sense and it would be publicly debunked for what it is. BUllshit. You can Show and Prove me wrong. I've asked people on this board several times to explain to me the meaning of "white man is devil", but to no avail. All i ever have gotten back was nonsense "wisdom" and "knowledge" typed to me in all caps about my "NATURE" and "WAYS and Actions" or was referred to some maniacal tyrant or group in history who happened to be white that commited some atrocity against black people as "scientific evidence". Never is it broken down in plain understandable english. Words are powerful. The terms "God" and "Devil" are associated with religion and with positive and negative connotations, respectively. When you associate the white people with a word traditionally used to describe something infinitely evil, something hated by the righteous, you are having a negative impact on peoples opinions and perspectives of the white race. Not to mention pissing off alot of white people. What function does saying this serve? Why can't you realize this statement is viewed as racist? Why is this behavior acceptable?
I am not advocating racism in any form. To discriminate against a group of people for reason of genetics or appearance is plainly wrong. I think its bullshit how society and this forum says it's ok for these motherfuckers over here to pop racist shit, but it's not ok for these motherfuckers over here to pop racist shit.
Hip-hop has been infused with 5% teachings since even before Rakim. Oftentimes the content is immensley positive and inspiring. Others it is extremely prejudiced. One does not need to identify with, nor agree with the lyrical content of music in order to appreciate and enjoy it fully.


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Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 03:14 PM
the problem comes where there is a lack of education as to why and how the complexions are attributed as either God or devil.

O.K, I understand that. That is soo true.

But, I have to wonder what will it take to get a person to realize that white skin is a genetic deficiency??

As soon as a person starts to break it down, the 85%'s catch an ego and get all offended.

It's science. But, it's a painfull truth, even for many Blacks to accept.

There's a thread all about melanin on here somewhere...I'll try to find it.

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10545&highlight=melanin

HANZO
05-26-2006, 03:30 PM
fuck that 5% ideology it's nothing but a closed minded theory. im muslim and got lots of respect for other religion but fuck that 5% shit bunch of losers callin themselves god, if ya god how come the world is in a fucked up situation with all these wars going on, exactly u aint god u aint god the power of god. before we didn't really care and we didn't know what was the 5%, but now buddy a lot of muslim(arabs,blacks african,and middle eastern) know more about it and it's start to irritate us , and for sure using the name allah ya better leave that alone if ya aint muslim dont use it get ur own word. if ya 5% come to france ya see how ya gonna be welcomed by the muslim brothers

very true, didnt malcolm x change to original islam after he visited mecca. yes he did meaning that islam makes more sense than the 5%.
the 5% is an organisation of hate. what makes other people better than me?? nothing we are all equal. your skin colour being black doesnt make you genetically better than me.
and aqueous are you really from lebanon?? because i know ppl's from there wouldnt chat like this. many muslims once they hear about the 5% get angry because they feel that a totally third party organisation is using islam to portray hate towards the whiteman. when really the 5% has no relation to islam just uses words like allah.
and talking about listening to wu sooths the white man. thats just a stupid thing to say, your practically saying that white ppl are dogs and need to be calmed down.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 03:41 PM
very true, didnt malcolm x change to original islam after he visited mecca. yes he did meaning that islam makes more sense than the 5%.
the 5% is an organisation of hate. what makes other people better than me?? nothing we are all equal. your skin colour being black doesnt make you genetically better than me.
and aqueous are you really from lebanon?? because i know ppl's from there wouldnt chat like this. many muslims once they hear about the 5% get angry because they feel that a totally third party organisation is using islam to portray hate towards the whiteman. when really the 5% has no relation to islam just uses words like allah.
and talking about listening to wu sooths the white man. thats just a stupid thing to say, your practically saying that white ppl are dogs and need to be calmed down.

Malcolm X was never ever in the 5%.

I am not from the Lebanon of the East. I am from the Lebanon of the west meaning Long Beach, California.

See, religious Islam is outdated. Religion is outdated, period.

The NGE (5%) represent a new light that shines from the west.

It's a new kind of knowledge that stands on truth, not hate, lies and illusions.

It's called supreme mathematics.

I think the Wu's music soothes us all. But, white people are the ones who buy most of the records and concert tickets. Whites are a majority on this forum....go figure.

Prince Rai
05-26-2006, 03:46 PM
O.K, I understand that. That is soo true.

But, I have to wonder what will it take to get a person to realize that white skin is a genetic deficiency??

As soon as a person starts to break it down, the 85%'s catch an ego and get all offended.

It's science. But, it's a painfull truth, even for many Blacks to accept.

There's a thread all about melanin on here somewhere...I'll try to find it.

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10545&highlight=melanin

i get u!

hmm acceptance is something that will never be universal, even if something may just be the truth

HANZO
05-26-2006, 04:06 PM
malcolm x to my understanding was apart of the nation of islam. religious islam is growing in both east and west. the NGE will never be recognised as something serious because the east doesnt care about what comes from the west. because usually its a bomb. To me the NGE is a black american form of islam. they try to use and manipulate the influences of original islam. you think that if the NGE spread in africa would it be taken seriously...no. easterners will always see it as a copy of islam and nothing more. remember the names mohammed, allah, yakub and all other words the NGE uses is from islam.
read the original qu'ran there is a whole list of mathematics, physics and other sciences found in it, saying religion is outdated is stating that western soceity has taken over. all islamic countries follow islam, some may abuse it others dont and use it well, religion is only seen as outdated in western soceity. because western soceity is full of fools, lets face it, it is very unlikely to see scholars, mathematicians come out from the west. the NGE is not a new kind of knowledge, would there be such thing if slavery never happened and blacks didnt go to america. it wouldnt have happened. you have to see if from a perspective of i a muslim, i go around and ask fellow muslims about the NGE, most have never heard of it, the ones who have all reply with similar remarks to the ones i made.

to really understand my advice is that you actually take a trip to an islamic country. if you experience it first hand your perceptions will be different. books and data hold relevence but are only secondary evidence in this world to truely understand something we must live it. we cannot live in the past so we have to deal with what we have, reason why i say historical facts can never be accurate. there is only one place in the world go and understand the NGE and thats america. i dont think it will surpass the borders of north america, because its single-minded. and will only makes sense to the black supremecist.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 04:22 PM
malcolm x to my understanding was apart of the nation of islam. religious islam is growing in both east and west. the NGE will never be recognised as something serious because the east doesnt care about what comes from the west. because usually its a bomb. To me the NGE is a black american form of islam. they try to use and manipulate the influences of original islam. you think that if the NGE spread in africa would it be taken seriously...no. easterners will always see it as a copy of islam and nothing more. remember the names mohammed, allah, yakub and all other words the NGE uses is from islam.
read the original qu'ran there is a whole list of mathematics, physics and other sciences found in it, saying religion is outdated is stating that western soceity has taken over. all islamic countries follow islam, some may abuse it others dont and use it well, religion is only seen as outdated in western soceity. because western soceity is full of fools, lets face it, it is very unlikely to see scholars, mathematicians come out from the west. the NGE is not a new kind of knowledge, would there be such thing if slavery never happened and blacks didnt go to america. it wouldnt have happened. you have to see if from a perspective of i a muslim, i go around and ask fellow muslims about the NGE, most have never heard of it, the ones who have all reply with similar remarks to the ones i made.

to really understand my advice is that you actually take a trip to an islamic country. if you experience it first hand your perceptions will be different. books and data hold relevence but are only secondary evidence in this world to truely understand something we must live it. we cannot live in the past so we have to deal with what we have, reason why i say historical facts can never be accurate. there is only one place in the world go and understand the NGE and thats america. i dont think it will surpass the borders of north america, because its single-minded. and will only makes sense to the black supremecist.

What's the math for today???

I bet you have no idea, I bet you could not construct a build on even one degree of Supreme mathematics or Supreme Wisdom.

But, yet...you talk like you know what the fuck your saying!

What does power wisdom equality mean in Supreme Mathematics???
Let me see you build on what you talk so much shit about.

The Blackman includes all the Original indigenous peoples of the planet. West and East, they are all Gods.

Once they realize how deep their religous lies go they will come to the truth, I have no doubt about it.

It's obvious you know very very little about the NGE. Malcolm X was never a part of it and the Nation of Islam is not a part of the NGE. Malcolm X is not relevent to this discussion of the 5%.

He was in the Nation of Islam, which is totally different from us.

HANZO
05-26-2006, 04:37 PM
you obviously have an IQ of -1 cause your brain is clouded with bullshit. i know more than you could imagine. your a fool a brainwashed american trying to justify his hate towards another race. i cannot argue with you because your ignorance overshadows this conversation. you have no understanding of mathematics, i doubt you know what it means. your no wise man for sure, becuase you dont understand simple facts. the NGE is nothing compared to islam, it can never be a serious religion. dont tell me its not a religion because it is face it. you cant even accept a fact. why should peoples believe your crap. the NGE has no roots, its built around hate on white people. black man is god and better than everyone else. what makes you better than me nothing, what have you a god acheived in life, shit all. you live in a western materialised world, your confused and dont know what to believe. your crap wont work on me cause your dealing with higher intelligience, i dont do pre-school maths like yourself. you live in a fantasy world and will remain in one for the rest of your life.

Stevan
05-26-2006, 04:39 PM
i think that there is a lot more to go on about this than "just" white and black thing(even thoe it is the most popular topic)It shouldnt be made to look like its a black&white thig just because the 5%rs or otyher belive it is. The sam way as not all(and i belive not many when you take the whole population in consideration of people are 5%rs).
The NGE doent represent the whole black poulation even if they might claim to be doing so. The same way that i dont represent all white people or even tho Im white.

Like.. doesn one lesson go "Can a devil fool a muslim nowadays?" by the way i thought that they werent muslims ??/
And i never thought that their lessons were secret... Are there hideing something??:/ I didnt knew they were that powerfull to hide something? Next thing Im gonna hear is that they are thelepthic people or in conections with Free Masons
I think that a organisation like that has no way of hideing something, they are happy to have some of great minds representing their belief trough music.
Now I want to know one more thing.>> THose scientists that "discovered"
melanin and all those people that
Are THEY WHITE OR BLACK?\?
NOw it seems that the discusion has come to the point of "Who has better knowledge of science and biology and everyone forgot about other weak links in 5% teaching. Now the representers of 5% here are sticking to that point of defending.

There is no reason for racism. And racism is just one of the many names that "EVIL" or whatever you want to call the thing that you determine to be against or oposite from your moral point of view. Its another issue in this.
Lets say that you happend not to have evoleved to this "civilisation type of discusion over keyboard or in person... and that in a second you were blank too some degree and put in a situation in which you have>>> your self in a close circle of space (maybe a room of some sort or some back yard never mind exactly) and that you have an urgee to reach for something that is between yall four ( cup of water when your dying of thirst, Blast of adrenalin in the moment, motivated by pain or any other stimulate... i can go in to variety of situations but i hope you uderestand and agree in how simple is to imagine a life situations that may put you in front and against someone or somethin giving you only a short amount of time to react unti and before the "problem" must be resolved... one way or the other) and those oposite people in front of you are ... 1 white man 2 blak man (assume that YOU ARE WHITE) and tell me in mist of time when you would of reacted who do you think would be the first one you would hit or atack in a rush for survival> My theory is that you would in short period using Ur eyes come to the conclusion that you are white and that some in your area are not and i guess it would come to that. The same reson you would firs be in conflict with the person( if puten it that situation) that is on their feet running towards you that the one person that is standing further away still or even lying on ground still. Its something that one could call rational from one point of view. But its by no mean suporting racism or what else. Racism is one part of the difrences that must be taken in consideration. I would say that it is much bigger racism when you have ... a lets say >>
White person climbed in society to that degree that he/she is now responsible for helping the people of "oposite" color or he/she is claiming to be a anti-racist but is actualy makeing much important moves in NOT helping the same people he/she is claiming to be wanting to help. Its basicly the thing when you 'Work the system from the INSIDE"

than

haveing a extremely racistic person that cant "control" themselv in front of a person of other color and for that reason is atacking the person in front nn the most primitive and animal method.

Get it?

But if I head a /second type of person in front of me going in my face with the atempt to hurt I would most surely first deal with that person than instead thinking of the first person that uis doin bigger damage on a global level... And why would I do that? Because it seem "logical "survival" or whatever else I surely would not have think of the other thing than the one IN FRONT OF ME...
This is now really looking like a racisticly directed explenation but if anyone unerstood in the way i wanted to explain it then you its not racistic. Its just that the topic cant be moved from the black&white in this thread so I used that as and example.
Also one of my best friends was black if it means something in the end

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 04:40 PM
you obviously have an IQ of -1 cause your brain is clouded with bullshit. i know more than you could imagine. your a fool a brainwashed american trying to justify his hate towards another race. i cannot argue with you because your ignorance overshadows this conversation. you have no understanding of mathematics, i doubt you know what it means. your no wise man for sure, becuase you dont understand simple facts. the NGE is nothing compared to islam, it can never be a serious religion. dont tell me its not a religion because it is face it. you cant even accept a fact. why should peoples believe your crap. the NGE has no roots, its built around hate on white people. black man is god and better than everyone else. what makes you better than me nothing, what have you a god acheived in life, shit all. you live in a western materialised world, your confused and dont know what to believe. your crap wont work on me cause your dealing with higher intelligience, i dont do pre-school maths like yourself. you live in a fantasy world and will remain in one for the rest of your life.

Calm yo ass down.

Becuase it still stands that you don't know what your talking about when you try to down the 5%.

You are just talking outta yo ass. You are coming from emotion.

You insist we hate white folks, when we really don't.

Stevan
05-26-2006, 04:48 PM
I would be very thankfull if you dont use so much obvious hatred words

because its so easy to get out of hnd an write somthing in the fury

and i dont wont any reason to give someone to close this thread




cause i would like to hear more coments on this

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 04:50 PM
are you speaking to me?

what words are you referring to?

Yasir Allah
05-26-2006, 04:53 PM
Peace

This is a post I made a while ago. I think this anwers a lot of questions if there is something else you want to know ask in a CIVILIZED manner and I will answer. When I say civilized I mean without any cursing and direspectful statements like "Fuck the NGE", "your religion is bullshit"

Peace

I come in the name of Yasir Allah. I don't build online much my only purpose of posting this message is to answer some of the questions that always seem to pop up on this site in regards to the Nation of Gods and Earths.

First I want to shed some light on our culture. We are NOT A RELIGION!!!

We are not a religion because we don't practice anything religious. We don't pray, we don't sacrifice anything, we don't have an imam, pastor, reverend, rabbi, or whatever else you can think of, we don't have a choir, and we don't have any beliefs!

We deal with facts.

I know your next question: but you say your culture is Islam.

When the Gods say my culture is Islam they don't mean Al-Islam, they mean I self lord and Master, or I stimulate Life and matter, or any other creative ways we may manifest that.

I Self for the record don't say that Islam is my culture because of all the confusion it causes. We are not muslims b.u.t when people hear that, they assume we are some kind of muslim sect, and that is not true because we don't share any similarities to muslims outside of the use of Allah, and Islam. So instead I say my culture is mathmatics. Because that is what I live, the supreme mathmatics. As for Allah, Islam does not own the rights to that word! That word was in existence in different forms before the introduction of the Arabic language, and the arabic language existed before Islam! Gods have written builds on the etymology of that word which I will not get into here. So the Gods use Allah as we see fit, and we see it as a representation of all black people because TOGETHER we make up the All eye Seeing!

This also shows the freedom in our culture. Everyone in this nation is different and sees things differently. That is the beauty of our culture, we allow you to be a free thinker, also different from religion.

Next, we don't pledge allegiance the lessons. The lessons are 120 degrees, the Supreme mathmatics and the Supreme Alphabet are not a part of 120. the Math and the Alphabet are the tools that we use to born a greater understanding from the lessons. The lessons come from the Nation of Islam those were developed by Fard and Elijah Muhammad. The Supreme Mathmatics and Supreme Alphabets are from the NGE. So that is our foundation not the 120 degrees.

So why do you memorize 120?

It's a mental exercise, it's a mental task to knowledge (memorize) 120 degrees word for word! Also it's how the Father was able to find out who he was which was God! So since those lessons helped him he took them out of the temple and gave it to the youth. So as you can see the lessons is just one piece of the knowledge we study, we are a scientific community of people. What is the duty of a civilized person? ans. To teach the uncivilized people who are savages, civilization, righteousness, the knowledge of self, and the science of EVERYTHING in life love, peace and happiness. Just because a Muslim knows a lot of verses from the bible by heart does that make him a Christian? Emphatically Now Cipher (NO)!

And finally why is the Black Man God??? When we say that I'm God we don't mean the God of religion. So I am not going to just wave my hand and make it thunder. No mystery god does that, that is already a part of nature and happens naturally no god decides to make it rain, hail, snow, and earthquake. Who is that mystery god? There is no mystery god the son of man has searched for that mystery god for TRILLIONS OF YEARS and has been unable to find that mystery god. So we agreed that the only god is the son of man and waste no more time searching for that which does not exist.

It has already been proven that the original man and woman were black and it is also now known that all man have stemed from one original man that was a black man. I am not afraid to say that yes the black man is the supreme being and MOST HIGH of beings that is not to be racist just the truth. Check books like African Presence in Early Asia by Runoko Rashidi, Man God and Civilization by John G. Jackson, or Worlds great men of color vol. 1 and 2 by J A Rogers, and many, many more books. This will give you an idea of the Black man's mental capabilities, if you want to check physical just watch sports.

Well how come a white man can't be God? Well my caucasian brother to put it simply, in the words of my brother Allah Sun "I can make you, but you can't make me!"

Can a white man be a five percenter of course! A five percenter is just one who is civilized and knows who the true and living God is. The Greeks were very civilized, the first civilized white folks actually and that was because they studied under the Egyptians, the Greeks knew who god was.

Peace.

HANZO
05-26-2006, 04:55 PM
its not hate im stating that a evil cult is all bullshit and that they are trying to justify themselves. when they cant. believe watever you want to believe i dont give a crap. dont involve islam into it. dont use our names and our language. make your own. dont involve islam in any of the NGE because its not right.
saying i dont know anything is again another foolish statement to make, because it is obvious that you havent a clue on whats going on in this world. you go live in your little isolated world and let the fair people of this planet deal with the issues.
from what i have seen and the phrase 'white man is the devil' is good enough to say the NGE or NOI is a racist organisation. no different from the KKK or the fascism that surrounds nations on this planet. thinking your race is better than any other is a form of fascism, right wing.

Stevan
05-26-2006, 04:57 PM
No Aqueos

I posted mine about the same time when you posted yours about "him calming his ass down"

But its so easy for someone to start leting emotion out

even me

Yasir Allah
05-26-2006, 05:00 PM
its not hate im stating that a evil cult is all bullshit and that they are trying to justify themselves. when they cant. believe watever you want to believe i dont give a crap. dont involve islam into it. dont use our names and our language. make your own. dont involve islam in any of the NGE because its not right.
saying i dont know anything is again another foolish statement to make, because it is obvious that you havent a clue on whats going on in this world. you go live in your little isolated world and let the fair people of this planet deal with the issues.
from what i have seen and the phrase 'white man is the devil' is good enough to say the NGE or NOI is a racist organisation. no different from the KKK or the fascism that surrounds nations on this planet. thinking your race is better than any other is a form of fascism, right wing.

Peace

Do you also have a problem with Arabic Christians? Because when they are speaking in Arabic they say Allah as well but they are Christian. Also Christians are the ones have a beef with you not us.

White_Mouse
05-26-2006, 05:02 PM
ok but this is also bringing up a good question about hip-hop in general.
I am a battle rapper, but is it necasarily bad to "boast" in your raps?
i mean isn't rap just like a rhyming version of the dozens when done correctly?
Is this stealing any of God's glory or is it just a mortal thing to do?
I'm gonna chew this over fam.

Stevan
05-26-2006, 05:07 PM
Great

Im so happy that another represenative of NGE has come to clear thigs up

This isnt working

Every time that a discusion about the FACTS start there are no moving in any direstion with this kind of teaching. One makes arguments and the next person just goes on and tells his story all over like a parot. Maybe that all memorizeing is the problem in fact huh? You cant say nothing else



Uh... I tired
Im off to bed (dont get it wrong this is not a way of dissing or sying that i cant read your coments... even if im getingstreseed a bit... but in fact im really of to sleep ... peace

see you tomorrow



I ti

HANZO
05-26-2006, 05:19 PM
Peace

Do you also have a problem with Arabic Christians? Because when they are speaking in Arabic they say Allah as well but they are Christian. Also Christians are the ones have a beef with you not us.

not at all arabic christians have much in common with muslims. similar prayer styles and similar language. allah is an arabic word. muslims dont have beef with christians. muslims have beef with the west, and western culture. its been like this eversince islam started, the west has always been an enemy. remember it was a christian king who let the prophet mohammed stay in his kingdom.

again when you say a black man is suprerior it is a false statement. yes we look at sports??? and what conclusion do you get from it. a mans physical depends on his testosterone levels. if you got more then you will be able to build more muscle. have you ever watched a strongman competition?? full of caucasions.
black the birth of civiliaztion is still unclear, it cannot be proven yet. the evidence maintained from the egyptian period heavily leans towards an arab/persion race who lived there at the time.
also not being a 5 percenter means that you are uncivilized. its like me saying who ever aint turkish is below me.

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 05:22 PM
Some White people call Arabs "Sand Niggers".

Why? Because they are Black, too.

You can't escape it...however you try to spin it.

Black is Black and we have many shades.

And, not being righteous means that you are uncivilized.

We are always pro righteousness.

HANZO
05-26-2006, 05:27 PM
Some White people call Arabs "Sand Niggers".

Why? Because they are Black, too.

You can't escape it...however you try to spin it.

Black is Black and we have many shades.

i am also called a sand nigger, a reason why would be that we are a race which the whites dont like and my peoples have tanned skin. the term has no relation with the arab peoples or any other race who has tanned people in it being black. there is one shade of black by the way. you put a black pen on paper it only comes out with one colour only. your just trying to pull in other civilizations with you its not gonna work.

White_Mouse
05-26-2006, 05:29 PM
White people are (for teh most part) ignorant morons with their head up thier ass. But i don't think that we should be generalized just liek i don't think that white people should generalize another race.
I think theirs a saying (once again from teh bible) that says "don't point out the splinter in anothers eye, when u have a log in your own"
meaning in laymans terms "it takes one to know one".

Aqueous Moon
05-26-2006, 05:35 PM
i am also called a sand nigger, a reason why would be that we are a race which the whites dont like and my peoples have tanned skin. the term has no relation with the arab peoples or any other race who has tanned people in it being black. there is one shade of black by the way. you put a black pen on paper it only comes out with one colour only. your just trying to pull in other civilizations with you its not gonna work.

Shiiit, are you really sure you are a white boi??

Alot of people would rather jump off a bridge than be considered Black.

But, what do you expect when Blacks are soo fucked over in the world??

And we ain't talkin bout pens. Skin complexion is quite different. It's genetic. Blacks come in all different shades and physical features....I'm sure you have noticed this.

So, instead of keeping ourselves divided all across the planet we unite so we can stand.

HANZO
05-26-2006, 05:43 PM
Shiiit, are you really sure you are a white boi??

Alot of people would rather jump off a bridge than be considered Black.

But, what do you expect when Blacks are soo fucked over in the world??

And we ain't talkin bout pens. Skin complexion is quite different. It's genetic. Blacks come in all different shades and physical features....I'm sure you have noticed this.

So, instead of keeping ourselves divided all across the planet we unite so we can stand.

no im not a white boy, im a turk. and i must not be seeing the black you are seeing because i see one race of people. so i must be blind then apart of the 85% then. oh no what a shame.

snapple
05-26-2006, 06:07 PM
"Besides, white people are scientifically, biologically, genetically, mentally, and anatomically weaker than black people....which is the real reason they are called Devils by the NGE."

........hah

Tha Double-P
05-26-2006, 06:37 PM
whether ur black white green brown blue purple yellow pink or any other color it doesnt matter. just because of the color of your skin doesnt mean ur any better or worse then anyone else...and ur basicly blind if u cant see that shit

Yasir Allah
05-26-2006, 07:41 PM
Peace

Not being apart of the Nation of Gods and Earths doesn't make you uncivilized. You can be Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Taoist and what ever else and still be civilized. We are never against any religion or RIGHTEOUS person white or black. Or whatever you choose to call yourself.

maestro wooz
05-26-2006, 11:44 PM
whites secretly eat the flesh of black babies

Stevan
05-27-2006, 03:23 AM
^^^^^ now tHATs what kind of coments we dont need man

Kephrem
05-27-2006, 06:20 AM
It's obvious you know very very little about the NGE. Malcolm X was never a part of it and the Nation of Islam is not a part of the NGE. Malcolm X is not relevent to this discussion of the 5%.

He was in the Nation of Islam, which is totally different from us.


How do you reconcile your statement here with the fact that you posted a Nation of Islam link to show somebody your nations lessons??

HANZO
05-27-2006, 08:34 AM
Peace

Not being apart of the Nation of Gods and Earths doesn't make you uncivilized. You can be Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Taoist and what ever else and still be civilized. We are never against any religion or RIGHTEOUS person white or black. Or whatever you choose to call yourself.

thank you this was the reply i was waiting for. yasir allah you have gained my endless respect.
peace.

LHX
05-27-2006, 09:32 AM
Peace

Not being apart of the Nation of Gods and Earths doesn't make you uncivilized. You can be Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Taoist and what ever else and still be civilized. We are never against any religion or RIGHTEOUS person white or black. Or whatever you choose to call yourself.
quoted for emphasis







i cant believe some of yall still get your kicks from these type of threads


been over 3 years of reading the same thing


as far as i can see - the issue has been resolved over and over again





its like some of yall are hooked on these debates


either that or maybe there is some sort of mass-amnesia going on
or maybe just poor reading comprehension

Prince Rai
05-27-2006, 09:47 AM
quoted for emphasis







i cant believe some of yall still get your kicks from these type of threads


been over 3 years of reading the same thing


as far as i can see - the issue has been resolved over and over again





its like some of yall are hooked on these debates


either that or maybe there is some sort of mass-amnesia going on
or maybe just poor reading comprehension

i second this big time!

thats why many people do not regularly post here any longer as they are faced with the same thread time and time again.
i sympathise.

peace to all,
the key to elevation is proper comprehension in the first instance.

TAURO
05-27-2006, 09:59 AM
I haven't been on this site for very long so alot of these debates are new to me.

Prince Rai
05-27-2006, 10:02 AM
i think there ought to be a general link on KTL, where people who are new here can be fed with some general knowledge that should be acknowledged before swimming in the pool of knowledge that this forum provides.

peace

LHX
05-27-2006, 10:06 AM
i think there ought to be a general link on KTL, where people who are new here can be fed with some general knowledge that should be acknowledged before swimming in the pool of knowledge that this forum provides.

peace

i agree

the thread SUNNY started with his Q and A accomplishes a lot of this which is why i put it in the archives


a general knowledge thread would be helpful tho


we will see what happens

Prince Rai
05-27-2006, 10:12 AM
i agree

the thread SUNNY started with his Q and A accomplishes a lot of this which is why i put it in the archives


a general knowledge thread would be helpful tho


we will see what happens

im sorry you are right.
the sunny q/a does answer much..

i reckon most dont know that though, get me? as in, not all would go to that q/a looking for answers to the 5% etc, considering there is no clue about what that thread does.

Kephrem
05-27-2006, 10:12 AM
Actually, LHX, there seems to be quite a few new heads up in here, so you can probably understand why this same topic seemingly keeps coming up from time to time. And besides, there doesn't seem to be any regular posters on KTL who also are GODBODY that actually hold down their culture within any rational or compelling parameters.

LHX
05-27-2006, 10:23 AM
Actually, LHX, there seems to be quite a few new heads up in here, so you can probably understand why this same topic seemingly keeps coming up from time to time.
Kephrem my old friend

i agree
but
i also got a hunch that there might be a more effective way to help these new folks out


And besides, there doesn't seem to be any regular posters on KTL who also are GODBODY that actually hold down their culture within any rational or compelling parameters.
LMAO

i think some people here might find that a bit inflammatory

9th Warrior
05-27-2006, 11:02 AM
its wrong for white people to like hip-hop. its weird when black people like rock. que the fuck.

Yasir Allah
05-27-2006, 11:16 AM
thank you this was the reply i was waiting for. yasir allah you have gained my endless respect.
peace.

Peace

I respect you as well. I was raised Christian, when I first got knowledge I was like F*&^ religion. As my understanding has grown I have come to realize that ALL religion has good in it, and if you follow it closely you most definitely can be a righteous person. What is right for me may not be right for you and vice a versa, my only thought on that is, whatever religion or way of life you choose to follow it should be empowering for you if not you should look for something else.

Aqueous Moon
05-27-2006, 11:17 AM
Actually, LHX, there seems to be quite a few new heads up in here, so you can probably understand why this same topic seemingly keeps coming up from time to time. And besides, there doesn't seem to be any regular posters on KTL who also are GODBODY that actually hold down their culture within any rational or compelling parameters.

Damn...that's just cold.

Aqueous Moon
05-27-2006, 11:18 AM
thank you this was the reply i was waiting for. yasir allah you have gained my endless respect.
peace.

Ha!...that's b.s.

I been saying that same thing to ya ass....

Yasir Allah
05-27-2006, 11:18 AM
How do you reconcile your statement here with the fact that you posted a Nation of Islam link to show somebody your nations lessons??


Peace

Read my post on pg. 6. That should give you all or most of your answers.

Aqueous Moon
05-27-2006, 11:21 AM
I haven't been on this site for very long so alot of these debates are new to me.

Exactly, I notice that new people or returning members end up bringing up the 5%.

I like talking about my culture. I just wish people wouldn't get all emotional and start being insulting because it's interrupts the builds.

But, then again...I can understand why they catch egos. It's a touchy subject.

Aqueous Moon
05-27-2006, 11:25 AM
Peace

Read my post on pg. 6. That should give you all or most of your answers.

Peace Yasir,

You answered that very well...

Keep building, God

Yasir Allah
05-27-2006, 11:35 AM
Actually, LHX, there seems to be quite a few new heads up in here, so you can probably understand why this same topic seemingly keeps coming up from time to time. And besides, there doesn't seem to be any regular posters on KTL who also are GODBODY that actually hold down their culture within any rational or compelling parameters.


Peace

If you TRULY want to learn about this culture the BEST way to learn if from a True and Living God or Earth in your area. The problem is that this board is full of mostly caucasians who don't give a damn about the NGE they just listen to Wu-Tang or other rappers INFLUENCED by us and have a problem with the NGE calling whites the devil. So the Gods and Earths on this board constantly come across threads about the NGE saying "Fuck the NGE" "your so racist" "clarence 13x was stupid" "your mathematics are dumb" and so on. We become DRAINED trying to constantly make knowledge born about what we are really about amongst people who really don't give a damn anyway, they just want to cause trouble amongst the righteous. Also keep in mind to that there may be (I don't know for sure) some people in this forum who SAY they are a part of this and really don't know shit, they may have gotten thier lessons from the internet which is totally the WRONG way to learn about this culture. The reason that is not correct is because then you take the NATION OF ISLAM lessons on FACE VALUE! (If you want to know why we study them check my post on pg. 6) Also a note for those who do have the lessons online those are what the Nation of Islam use, the Father actually revised some of the degrees when he left the Mosque to make them more correct (especially the Solar facts and Actual Facts).

In closing, the best way to learn is to get in contact with a True and Living in your area. So if more post come up about "the NGE are racist", or "why do you call the white man devil" don't be surprised if myself or others just ignore you.

Peace.

Yasir Allah
05-27-2006, 11:37 AM
Peace Yasir,

You answered that very well...

Keep building, God

Peace 17

You have a high tolerance always in here building, you kinda like Musa in the wisdom degree in the 1-14.

Peace.,

Kephrem
05-27-2006, 12:34 PM
Peace

If you TRULY want to learn about this culture the BEST way to learn if from a True and Living God or Earth in your area.

Peace

Sir where have I implied that I wanted to "learn of your culture" or rather expressed any unfamiliarity with it?


So the Gods and Earths on this board constantly come across threads about the NGE saying "Fuck the NGE" "your so racist" "clarence 13x was stupid" "your mathematics are dumb" and so on. We become DRAINED trying to constantly make knowledge born about what we are really about amongst people who really don't give a damn anyway, they just want to cause trouble amongst the righteous.


What is it that you become "drained" of exactly? I would like to think that any sufficient or thorough explanation would suffice for those queries which are raised by your critics, as we've promptly seen with HAN88 and the author of this post.


Also keep in mind to that there may be (I don't know for sure) some people in this forum who SAY they are a part of this and really don't know shit, they may have gotten thier lessons from the internet which is totally the WRONG way to learn about this culture.

I fully understand your concerns on this matter.


Peace to you.

Yasir Allah
05-27-2006, 12:51 PM
Sir where have I implied that I wanted to "learn of your culture" or rather expressed any unfamiliarity with it?

Peace

I know I quoted you but I wasn't specifically directing this statement at you personally. It was for you or anyone else who does want to learn or does have unfamiliarity with it.



What is it that you become "drained" of exactly? I would like to think that any sufficient or thorough explanation would suffice for those queries which are raised by your critics, as we've promptly seen with HAN88 and the author of this post.

I mean drained of energy. No one wants to sit here and constantly be attacked, we don't come on here like "you are soo stupid for beliving in Jesus", or "Islam is some BS", and so forth, but that is what people do on this board when we attempt to answer questions that have been answered again and again. That is why I made that post on pg. 6 titled Answers to questions about the NGE and when I initially made that post a couple of months ago it only got like 3 replys. That shows me that when people post about us they just want to talk shit because when I take time out of my day to give answers to the typical questions about us it get hardly any replies.


I fully understand your concerns on this matter.

There are many who are attracted to this but don't really know what the F they talking about.

Peace to you.[/QUOTE]

WuTangWarrior
05-27-2006, 12:57 PM
whites secretly eat the flesh of black babies

LMFAO, thats just about how stupid they sound

JackOfHearts
05-27-2006, 05:42 PM
1 point sayin white ppl shudnt like hiphop is ridiculous- fair enuff a lot of hiphop is 2 do with black struggle- but then there are also a lot of philosopical/political rap tunes and artists,that can apply to all races (immortal technique, eminem, gravediggaz, killah priest, jehst, cypress hill, J5, remedy etc) even the wu have more philosophy in then black issues i think.......so the whole idea of whites not bein allowed is stupid, ignorant and rascist.

Sicka than aidZ
05-27-2006, 09:06 PM
that 5% shit sucks, wu tang kind of pisses me off when the 5% lyrics get dropped. oh well, wu tang still ownshttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/jameztwo/smileywu2.gif

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
05-28-2006, 12:52 AM
here we go again..........


I guess this will never end.............

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
05-28-2006, 01:03 AM
Peace

This is a post I made a while ago. I think this anwers a lot of questions if there is something else you want to know ask in a CIVILIZED manner and I will answer. When I say civilized I mean without any cursing and direspectful statements like "Fuck the NGE", "your religion is bullshit"

Peace

I come in the name of Yasir Allah. I don't build online much my only purpose of posting this message is to answer some of the questions that always seem to pop up on this site in regards to the Nation of Gods and Earths.

First I want to shed some light on our culture. We are NOT A RELIGION!!!

We are not a religion because we don't practice anything religious. We don't pray, we don't sacrifice anything, we don't have an imam, pastor, reverend, rabbi, or whatever else you can think of, we don't have a choir, and we don't have any beliefs!

We deal with facts.

I know your next question: but you say your culture is Islam.

When the Gods say my culture is Islam they don't mean Al-Islam, they mean I self lord and Master, or I stimulate Life and matter, or any other creative ways we may manifest that.

I Self for the record don't say that Islam is my culture because of all the confusion it causes. We are not muslims b.u.t when people hear that, they assume we are some kind of muslim sect, and that is not true because we don't share any similarities to muslims outside of the use of Allah, and Islam. So instead I say my culture is mathmatics. Because that is what I live, the supreme mathmatics. As for Allah, Islam does not own the rights to that word! That word was in existence in different forms before the introduction of the Arabic language, and the arabic language existed before Islam! Gods have written builds on the etymology of that word which I will not get into here. So the Gods use Allah as we see fit, and we see it as a representation of all black people because TOGETHER we make up the All eye Seeing!

This also shows the freedom in our culture. Everyone in this nation is different and sees things differently. That is the beauty of our culture, we allow you to be a free thinker, also different from religion.

Next, we don't pledge allegiance the lessons. The lessons are 120 degrees, the Supreme mathmatics and the Supreme Alphabet are not a part of 120. the Math and the Alphabet are the tools that we use to born a greater understanding from the lessons. The lessons come from the Nation of Islam those were developed by Fard and Elijah Muhammad. The Supreme Mathmatics and Supreme Alphabets are from the NGE. So that is our foundation not the 120 degrees.

So why do you memorize 120?

It's a mental exercise, it's a mental task to knowledge (memorize) 120 degrees word for word! Also it's how the Father was able to find out who he was which was God! So since those lessons helped him he took them out of the temple and gave it to the youth. So as you can see the lessons is just one piece of the knowledge we study, we are a scientific community of people. What is the duty of a civilized person? ans. To teach the uncivilized people who are savages, civilization, righteousness, the knowledge of self, and the science of EVERYTHING in life love, peace and happiness. Just because a Muslim knows a lot of verses from the bible by heart does that make him a Christian? Emphatically Now Cipher (NO)!

And finally why is the Black Man God??? When we say that I'm God we don't mean the God of religion. So I am not going to just wave my hand and make it thunder. No mystery god does that, that is already a part of nature and happens naturally no god decides to make it rain, hail, snow, and earthquake. Who is that mystery god? There is no mystery god the son of man has searched for that mystery god for TRILLIONS OF YEARS and has been unable to find that mystery god. So we agreed that the only god is the son of man and waste no more time searching for that which does not exist.

It has already been proven that the original man and woman were black and it is also now known that all man have stemed from one original man that was a black man. I am not afraid to say that yes the black man is the supreme being and MOST HIGH of beings that is not to be racist just the truth. Check books like African Presence in Early Asia by Runoko Rashidi, Man God and Civilization by John G. Jackson, or Worlds great men of color vol. 1 and 2 by J A Rogers, and many, many more books. This will give you an idea of the Black man's mental capabilities, if you want to check physical just watch sports.

Well how come a white man can't be God? Well my caucasian brother to put it simply, in the words of my brother Allah Sun "I can make you, but you can't make me!"

Can a white man be a five percenter of course! A five percenter is just one who is civilized and knows who the true and living God is. The Greeks were very civilized, the first civilized white folks actually and that was because they studied under the Egyptians, the Greeks knew who god was.

Peace.




Peace

God this is the best post I have read in here today(not taking anything away from other members onf the Nation who posted).......


and like you posted earlier the best way to get the Lessons and build with the true and living is in the flesh(i.e. face to face)....

mate2006
05-28-2006, 02:56 PM
Is it not also curious that when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the large brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically resign themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation—in full final realization of white genetic recessiveness.[3]

What a load of bullshit. Obviously talking about American Football and Basketball... black dominated sports. But what about football/soccer? A sport were the geniuses are of many different races and colours; Maradona? Pele? van Basten? I could be here all day naming players. And not forgetting Tennis. This and the 'chocolate with nuts' comment was huge crock of shit, and the 'scientists' who wrote it are some deluded fools looking to manipulate any shred of an idea into a theory of black genetic superiority.

mate2006
05-28-2006, 03:07 PM
[QUOTE=Yasir Allah]if you want to check physical just watch sports.

Well how come a white man can't be God? Well my caucasian brother to put it simply, in the words of my brother Allah Sun "I can make you, but you can't make me!"[QUOTE]

Just what i mentioned above.. Basketball is not the only sport in the world. Check table tennis... ruled by china... check soccer... ruled by brasil in 2002, with a multi-coloured team... ruled in 1998 by France by one of the most racially varied sports teams ever to win the top international competition in any sport. How many black formula one champions can you name?

And no you can't make me. Only my mother and father can make me.

Aqueous Moon
05-28-2006, 09:29 PM
Is it not also curious that when white males are young and vigorous, they attempt to master the large brown balls, but as they become older and wiser, they psychologically resign themselves to their inability to master the large brown balls? Their focus then shifts masochistically to hitting the tiny white golf balls in disgust and resignation—in full final realization of white genetic recessiveness.[3]

What a load of bullshit. Obviously talking about American Football and Basketball... black dominated sports. But what about football/soccer? A sport were the geniuses are of many different races and colours; Maradona? Pele? van Basten? I could be here all day naming players. And not forgetting Tennis. This and the 'chocolate with nuts' comment was huge crock of shit, and the 'scientists' who wrote it are some deluded fools looking to manipulate any shred of an idea into a theory of black genetic superiority.

Sports are used here as an example or a metaphor explaining the mental state of white males in the context of white suprememcy.

The author was attempting to explain the pshycological nature of the white male in a society that is controlled by white men who are overwhelmingly, for the most part, sports orientated.

I found it quite profound and ironic that the white man's mental defeciency is soo pervasive in this aspect of society. Especially, since success in sports is such a celebrated and well-awarded activity.

mate2006
05-29-2006, 09:59 AM
Sports are used here as an example or a metaphor explaining the mental state of white males in the context of white suprememcy.

The author was attempting to explain the pshycological nature of the white male in a society that is controlled by white men who are overwhelmingly, for the most part, sports orientated.

I found it quite profound and ironic that the white man's mental defeciency is soo pervasive in this aspect of society. Especially, since success in sports is such a celebrated and well-awarded activity.

Yes i see it in my university. The glorification of sporting acheivement and the prevalence of the jock mentality. The univeristy magasine is always full of spreads on what the sports teams have done, never talking about any intellectual acheivements of the students.

I do not however agree even with the metaphor of 'resignation in disgust' from basketball/football to master golf instead. Golf is just as skilled and hard to excel in, it just focuses on a different qualities, i.e. extremely delicate hand-eye co-ordination and timing are more necessary than muscle strength or stamina.

Aqueous Moon
05-29-2006, 01:12 PM
Originally Posted by mate2006
I do not however agree even with the metaphor of 'resignation in disgust' from basketball/football to master golf instead. Golf is just as skilled and hard to excel in, it just focuses on a different qualities, i.e. extremely delicate hand-eye co-ordination and timing are more necessary than muscle strength or stamina.

The point was not the physicality of the sport, but it was to emphasize the psychology involved when white males engage in such a sport, like golf.......of course, this is in the context of white supremacy.

aismani
05-30-2006, 06:03 PM
who says the white man cant be god got the whole nge thing wrong.Honorable clarence13x took his system from the moorish science temple that got it from sufi and masonic sources.In sufi writings,the word black is a code for wise because both words are written the same way in arabic(Clarence expressed clearly"we speaking of a mindstate not a certain colour to your skin").Most illuminist schools teach their path tru a allegoric system so does the nation of the gods and the depth of the scholars understanding is proven by been able to decode it.But any black supremacist may not feel offended,they like in good companion with their missunderstandig of black(wise) man alllah.the holy catholic church(aka the mad knights of malta) hunted "black"(but caucasian) mages like the templors or masons for centuries probably because their translating capability was similar to yasir allahs.Dont get mad,do YOUR research

Ivory equals Ebony one love

aismani
05-30-2006, 06:04 PM
...booy

Iron Fist
05-30-2006, 07:28 PM
God! I'm so depressed after reading this thread. So much false and regrettable statements in there. It makes me sick to see black people still have so much hate to white people. Yes white men enslaved blacks, but wasn't it also White men that set them free ?? Like HAN88 I do believe the 5% culture is just a pretext to diminish white people.

"It has already been proven that the original man and woman were black and it is also now known that all man have stemed from one original man that was a black man. I am not afraid to say that yes the black man is the supreme being and MOST HIGH of beings that is not to be racist just the truth. Check books like African Presence in Early Asia by Runoko Rashidi, Man God and Civilization by John G. Jackson, or Worlds great men of color vol. 1 and 2 by J A Rogers, and many, many more books. This will give you an idea of the Black man's mental capabilities, if you want to check physical just watch sports."

How is it proven that first people on earth were black ?? How can you prove this ?? How is this possible ?? It's fucking impossible. This was thousands if not millions of years ago (how do I know). You make me laugh.

Answer this question: If, according to your "culture", there is NO God, like we Christians believe, how did the first Black Men God appear on earth ?

In my truest beliefs, there is no other credible theory than the presence of the Most High, God.

Some time ago, here in Canada, a White psychologist said on TV that according to a VERY TRUE study, black people were less intelligent than white people. He also stated that Asian people were more intelligent than white people. His second statement was TOTALLY ignored, but his first statement was a scandal. He was banished from two TV channels and was very critizised by black people. They were all scandalized by this and called him a RACIST.

If this guy was a racist how are you not ?? You are saying we are your blacks' dogs. You are saying you are the Supreme Being. The facts prove that you're all racists. And if you say you're not than I'm going to call you a fucking N*****. What will you do than ?? You'll call me a fucking racist cause I'm white. This is white men's curse.

Doesn't the TRUE STUDY mentionned above contradict such statements that blacks are the strongest, wisest and all the bullshit ??

aismani
05-30-2006, 07:38 PM
hey iron fist,the 5percent teaching does NOT deny god but regards the universe as gods body with the black(arabic:wise,not referring to skin colour,meant allegoric)man being able of being conscious of his SELF and due to this:BE god.

arm-leg-leg-arm-head

Kephrem
05-30-2006, 08:06 PM
the holy catholic church(aka the mad knights of malta) hunted "black"(but caucasian) mages like the templors or masons for centuries


According to what were those people "caucasian"?

Aqueous Moon
05-30-2006, 08:09 PM
who says the white man cant be god got the whole nge thing wrong.Honorable clarence13x took his system from the moorish science temple that got it from sufi and masonic sources.In sufi writings,the word black is a code for wise because both words are written the same way in arabic(Clarence expressed clearly"we speaking of a mindstate not a certain colour to your skin").Most illuminist schools teach their path tru a allegoric system so does the nation of the gods and the depth of the scholars understanding is proven by been able to decode it.But any black supremacist may not feel offended,they like in good companion with their missunderstandig of black(wise) man alllah.the holy catholic church(aka the mad knights of malta) hunted "black"(but caucasian) mages like the templors or masons for centuries probably because their translating capability was similar to yasir allahs.Dont get mad,do YOUR research

Ivory equals Ebony one love

It seems like you are dismissing the importance of the genetics (DNA) within the Black Man's physical make - up.

Are you?

Sicka than aidZ
05-30-2006, 08:55 PM
It seems like you are dismissing the importance of the genetics (DNA) within the Black Man's physical make - up.

Are you?

STEROIDS

Yasir Allah
05-30-2006, 09:28 PM
who says the white man cant be god got the whole nge thing wrong.Honorable clarence13x took his system from the moorish science temple that got it from sufi and masonic sources.In sufi writings,the word black is a code for wise because both words are written the same way in arabic(Clarence expressed clearly"we speaking of a mindstate not a certain colour to your skin").Most illuminist schools teach their path tru a allegoric system so does the nation of the gods and the depth of the scholars understanding is proven by been able to decode it.But any black supremacist may not feel offended,they like in good companion with their missunderstandig of black(wise) man alllah.the holy catholic church(aka the mad knights of malta) hunted "black"(but caucasian) mages like the templors or masons for centuries probably because their translating capability was similar to yasir allahs.Dont get mad,do YOUR research

Ivory equals Ebony one love
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il allah il allah


Peace

Do you claim to be a part of this Nation? If you were you would not be calling the Father by no damn clarence 13x. Also if you are in this nation what's with the il allah il allah?

The Father did not get the lessons from the Moorish science temple, the Father was never a member of that he got the lesson from the Nation of Islam. Now Elijah Muhmmad may have very well been influenced by Noble Drew Ali and the Moorish Science temple I think I have some info on that but I can't recall it right now.

The white man can be righteous, but he cannot be God because he is not the supreme being.

GENERAL WISE
05-30-2006, 09:29 PM
why is it that Know the Ledge is basically White vs. Black?

Yasir Allah
05-30-2006, 10:00 PM
God! I'm so depressed after reading this thread. So much false and regrettable statements in there. It makes me sick to see black people still have so much hate to white people. Yes white men enslaved blacks, but wasn't it also White men that set them free ?? Like HAN88 I do believe the 5% culture is just a pretext to diminish white people.

"It has already been proven that the original man and woman were black and it is also now known that all man have stemed from one original man that was a black man. I am not afraid to say that yes the black man is the supreme being and MOST HIGH of beings that is not to be racist just the truth. Check books like African Presence in Early Asia by Runoko Rashidi, Man God and Civilization by John G. Jackson, or Worlds great men of color vol. 1 and 2 by J A Rogers, and many, many more books. This will give you an idea of the Black man's mental capabilities, if you want to check physical just watch sports."

How is it proven that first people on earth were black ?? How can you prove this ?? How is this possible ?? It's fucking impossible. This was thousands if not millions of years ago (how do I know). You make me laugh.

Answer this question: If, according to your "culture", there is NO God, like we Christians believe, how did the first Black Men God appear on earth ?

In my truest beliefs, there is no other credible theory than the presence of the Most High, God.

Some time ago, here in Canada, a White psychologist said on TV that according to a VERY TRUE study, black people were less intelligent than white people. He also stated that Asian people were more intelligent than white people. His second statement was TOTALLY ignored, but his first statement was a scandal. He was banished from two TV channels and was very critizised by black people. They were all scandalized by this and called him a RACIST.

If this guy was a racist how are you not ?? You are saying we are your blacks' dogs. You are saying you are the Supreme Being. The facts prove that you're all racists. And if you say you're not than I'm going to call you a fucking N*****. What will you do than ?? You'll call me a fucking racist cause I'm white. This is white men's curse.

Doesn't the TRUE STUDY mentionned above contradict such statements that blacks are the strongest, wisest and all the bullshit ??

Peace

Ah and so the devil rears it's ugly head again. Are you serious? You think that just because Lincoln (who was also racist) passed the emacipation proclamation every thing should be cool now? He didn't even want to free blacks he wasn't doing it because it was right thing to do (read lies my teacher told me by James Loewen a White Male). How disrespectful, but it shows and proves my point on most whites mindset. Why should we as black people just forget what has been done to us? The Jews don't forget what was done to them. They are quick to remind ANYONE and won't hesitate to let you know that it will not happen again. Secondly the reason we won't let slavery and your racism go is because the effects still exist.

I do not have to prove that black people are the first on the planet, YOUR scientists and archeologist have already proved it. They are all saying that humans originated in Africa. We know Africa is a very hot continent because of the Sun and we know that whites and the sun don't mix, sorry.

The other brother just addressed the God statement so I won't address that.

As far as that psychologist I don't know how he came to the conclusion he came to I am thinking that he is probably studying blacks TODAY in comparison to everyone else TODAY. If that is the case you must understand what type of black people he is studying.

Blacks in America are the product of broken homes, bad living conditions, bad food, drugs, gang violence, white jesus, missing fathers, young mothers, jail, racism, discrimination, bad schooling, and countless other f'd up things.

Whites always only look at the SURFACE/PHYSICAL effects of racism and slavery. They don't look at the MENTAL aspect, that is the problem with black people it's the MENTAL effects of slavery that keep us fucked up. Our duty as the Nation of Gods and Earths is to help those of our mentally deaf, dumb and blind people see this and overcome it.

Yasir Allah
05-30-2006, 10:02 PM
why is it that Know the Ledge is basically White vs. Black?


Peace

Whites made it this way.

denaturat
05-30-2006, 10:30 PM
I am familiar a study that was based on an IQ test. 1) i doubt that there was no bias in the design of the test, 2) even if there was no bias, it hard to compare the historically advantaged against the historically disadvantaged, 3) why even make a test like that? it does not help defeat racism, it only excerbates it, so I question the motive behind it

no one is superior or better, all races are susceptible to corrupting force of power, all races are capable of being oppressors. for the most part, circumstances determine the opressors and the opressed. circumstances are blind to the colour of skin.

all are equal. judge people on the basis of their actions, not colour of skin.

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
05-30-2006, 10:39 PM
Peace to all those who come in the name of P.E.A.C.E.


try as I may to overlook some things in this section it sometimes agitates me when we(The NGE) are attacked time and time again for what WE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND.

We do not try to push our Understanding on anyone, but time and time again we are constantly attacked even when we SHOW AND PROVE the truth. None of the Gods or the Queens asked for anyone in this section, matter fact the forum, to walk our path.


and they call the Gods crazy...............


smh

mate2006
05-30-2006, 11:29 PM
no im not a white boy, im a turk. and i must not be seeing the black you are seeing because i see one race of people. so i must be blind then apart of the 85% then. oh no what a shame.

A-fucking-men

little boy
05-31-2006, 06:16 AM
That's history.

Iron Fist
05-31-2006, 04:22 PM
Peace

Ah and so the devil rears it's ugly head again. Are you serious? You think that just because Lincoln (who was also racist) passed the emacipation proclamation every thing should be cool now? He didn't even want to free blacks he wasn't doing it because it was right thing to do (read lies my teacher told me by James Loewen a White Male). How disrespectful, but it shows and proves my point on most whites mindset. Why should we as black people just forget what has been done to us? The Jews don't forget what was done to them. They are quick to remind ANYONE and won't hesitate to let you know that it will not happen again. Secondly the reason we won't let slavery and your racism go is because the effects still exist.

I do not have to prove that black people are the first on the planet, YOUR scientists and archeologist have already proved it. They are all saying that humans originated in Africa. We know Africa is a very hot continent because of the Sun and we know that whites and the sun don't mix, sorry.

The other brother just addressed the God statement so I won't address that.

As far as that psychologist I don't know how he came to the conclusion he came to I am thinking that he is probably studying blacks TODAY in comparison to everyone else TODAY. If that is the case you must understand what type of black people he is studying.

Blacks in America are the product of broken homes, bad living conditions, bad food, drugs, gang violence, white jesus, missing fathers, young mothers, jail, racism, discrimination, bad schooling, and countless other f'd up things.

Whites always only look at the SURFACE/PHYSICAL effects of racism and slavery. They don't look at the MENTAL aspect, that is the problem with black people it's the MENTAL effects of slavery that keep us fucked up. Our duty as the Nation of Gods and Earths is to help those of our mentally deaf, dumb and blind people see this and overcome it.
Did I say you should forget what happened to your ancestors in the past ? No. But I believe blacks should stop hatin on whites. Yes I am truly ashamed that whites enslaved and tortured youur people back then, but this was a very long time ago. We are not the same people as back then, but I'm sure you'll say we are. Are modern whites the ones to blame ?? No we are not responsible for what happened many years ago. This is history and it's not going to be done again, but yes we can't help but to remember.

BTW even if Lincoln was a racist people still pressured on him so he would abolish slavery. These people were surely white, as blacks had almost no rights and not much power. Whites weren't all bad, there was also good people among them. If they were all racists would you be free now ?? I don't know, maybe not. Sorry for bringing this again. Let's stop the discussion now.

This study was not done by the psychologist. It was done by american researchers I think. But look you just ignored what I said. It was proved that blacks were less intelligent than whites, and asians brighter than whites and blacks. This was proved and there is no debate to be done on the validity of it.

What I said was just proven. I just got a PM from a guy saying "Never again post your racist comments on the web boy!". Haha. I'm just being called a racist, as I thought I would. Yes my comments were kind of racists by parts, like using the N word. I apologize. I know how you feel, cause I feel the same after reading all racist comments toward whites on this thread. I was very sad after reading them. But you, blacks, can insult us whites I guess ?? ... but the opposite necessarily mean RACISM.

I'm glad there is something you believe in, the NGE. I should stop discussing on what is true and what is not, cause there is the possiblity that I'm wrong and the possibility that I'm right. I think we should all have in our head, that no beliefs is necessarily true. We should respect what other people believe in, even when it seems stupid to our self. I'm sorry for saying all those things, and just wish to scratch that, cause I realised this is just like Christianity to me. If someone would come debate on this subject I would just think he's ignorant, just like what you think of me.

mate2006
05-31-2006, 04:38 PM
to be judgemental, i wouldn't be surpised if asians were brighter. they seem to be more disciplined and hard-working. in the UK asians have all the best degrees and jobs and are flush with cash, because they know how to get their heads down and work/study while the white people are getting drunk and falling over and the black people are smoking weed and sitting on the sofa (just kidding, it's a metaphor!). Look how the far east gave the world martial arts and meditation and stuff.

Iron Fist
05-31-2006, 05:23 PM
Yeah I guess you're right. My dad also told me that it was mainly because of their writing language. They've got hundreds of signs to remember with different meanings when they're put with different words. It's a very hard task to memorize so much signs and takes great patience.

Yasir Allah
05-31-2006, 10:43 PM
Did I say you should forget what happened to your ancestors in the past ? No. But I believe blacks should stop hatin on whites. Yes I am truly ashamed that whites enslaved and tortured youur people back then, but this was a very long time ago. We are not the same people as back then, but I'm sure you'll say we are. Are modern whites the ones to blame ?? No we are not responsible for what happened many years ago. This is history and it's not going to be done again, but yes we can't help but to remember.

BTW even if Lincoln was a racist people still pressured on him so he would abolish slavery. These people were surely white, as blacks had almost no rights and not much power. Whites weren't all bad, there was also good people among them. If they were all racists would you be free now ?? I don't know, maybe not. Sorry for bringing this again. Let's stop the discussion now.

This study was not done by the psychologist. It was done by american researchers I think. But look you just ignored what I said. It was proved that blacks were less intelligent than whites, and asians brighter than whites and blacks. This was proved and there is no debate to be done on the validity of it.

What I said was just proven. I just got a PM from a guy saying "Never again post your racist comments on the web boy!". Haha. I'm just being called a racist, as I thought I would. Yes my comments were kind of racists by parts, like using the N word. I apologize. I know how you feel, cause I feel the same after reading all racist comments toward whites on this thread. I was very sad after reading them. But you, blacks, can insult us whites I guess ?? ... but the opposite necessarily mean RACISM.

I'm glad there is something you believe in, the NGE. I should stop discussing on what is true and what is not, cause there is the possiblity that I'm wrong and the possibility that I'm right. I think we should all have in our head, that no beliefs is necessarily true. We should respect what other people believe in, even when it seems stupid to our self. I'm sorry for saying all those things, and just wish to scratch that, cause I realised this is just like Christianity to me. If someone would come debate on this subject I would just think he's ignorant, just like what you think of me.

Peace

I appreciate your apology. I will not respond again to the american researches ridiculous study I already built on WHY blacks SEEM less intellingent than others. As far as modern whites getting the blame, this is why. If the effects are still prevalent then it's not over, the reason modern whites get the blame is because ever thing they have was made possible by my ancestors and your people prosper while mines suffer. Also if modern whites were so concerned and REALLY wanted to make things right with black people then reparations would not be an issue.

hungry
05-31-2006, 11:35 PM
this thread makes me fuckin depressed f'real. ive done my studying. the 5% movement has many gaping holes. i might have already forgotten but ive read this WHOLE damn thread and not once did anybody address the black god and allah connection. which one is it? again ive done my studying and i've never had an answer that ive found so far. i made my own theory about this and that is that the black man in the NGE's theology is a god put here by the one all mighty allah. i dont know but as much as i've searched for that single answer i cant find it. now on the devil tip. ive had so many different findings on the defiinition of "devil". some say the white man is and some say its only a characteristic everybody's born with. but according to those in here the latter is false. okay now ive really forgotten what all was discussed over the rest of this thread because it was ridiculously long. ok now on to my major beef with what yall are saying. how do you know what the fuck personality traits somebody will be born with. so far nobody has successfully read dna and YOU the members of the NGE have no possible way of predicting what a child will be born thinking. that is actually psychological and it is instilled in the child in their youth. so the "devil" is not a character trait instilled in white children from birth. it has to be taught. but righteousness is righteousness no matter the color. and dont tell me there hasnt been a righteous white man. i for one am one. i abide by the laws of respect and that is righteousness. i dont follow religion as of yet probably because i am disillusioned with the power struggle within christian churches and the other churches of the world. im tired though but one of the "gods" might hit me with some of their knowledge and make me feel better... or just redirect me to a section where they covered that because i have honestly almost forgotten everything stated within this thread. peace ( and yes i know what it means and i say it accordingly)

Iron Fist
06-01-2006, 05:39 PM
Peace

I appreciate your apology. I will not respond again to the american researches ridiculous study I already built on WHY blacks SEEM less intellingent than others. As far as modern whites getting the blame, this is why. If the effects are still prevalent then it's not over, the reason modern whites get the blame is because ever thing they have was made possible by my ancestors and your people prosper while mines suffer. Also if modern whites were so concerned and REALLY wanted to make things right with black people then reparations would not be an issue.
By curiosity what would you consider as a proper reparation ? Money ? I don't think so, cause it would be like taking blood money, wouldn't it ? Accepting a gift from the oppressor. If that's not it I'm just curious to know what it would be.

One thing I said in another thread. MY ANCESTORS were also slaves thousands of years ago to the egyptians. Am I asking Egyptians reparations for this ? No. But this you don't talk about. Whites were killed and tortured in the past (like the jews in Europe), but that ain't important. The only thing important is that your ancestors were enslaved and robbed from their country. This is past, and I have no time to hate people. I have to live my, as people say, short life and if I were to hate everybody who's ancestors enslaved, killed or tortured my ancestors, my life would be a fucking waste. Please stop the white hatin.

BTW one thing I wonder, why don't all blacks who think like you don't go back to Africa, your home land ? Instead of critisizing the white americans and the united-states, doesn't going back to Africa solve the problem ? You won't have whites to "rule" you and you'll be in your homeland.

LHX
06-01-2006, 05:52 PM
the title of this thread changed because i messed up merging threads

sorry for the inconvenience

rubyspirit
06-01-2006, 05:55 PM
I've only read the first post by Stevan. That's what I responding to...

I don't follow the 5% Nation either. I don't think you have to, to like Wu-Tang. The main thing that's important is to not be ignorant to the politics of man and the music industry. I have a relationship with the Creator and I like the spiritual respect of Wu-Tang. Our beliefs are a bit different.

Everytime they say Allah, I shout Jehovah. Its OK. :)

Iron Fist
06-01-2006, 07:11 PM
Yasir Allah I have one last thing to tell you. If you want reparations, not only ask America, but also ask Africa for reparations. Your african ancestors were partly responsible for what happened to your people because it was them that sold you to us. Yes my people was forever wrong for buying black slaves, but your ancestors were also forever wrong for selling their kids, and they are also to blame. The devil hides in every human being, be they black, white, yellow, red or any color. Make that clear in your head.

Yasir Allah
06-01-2006, 07:14 PM
By curiosity what would you consider as a proper reparation ? Money ? I don't think so, cause it would be like taking blood money, wouldn't it ? Accepting a gift from the oppressor. If that's not it I'm just curious to know what it would be.

One thing I said in another thread. MY ANCESTORS were also slaves thousands of years ago to the egyptians. Am I asking Egyptians reparations for this ? No. But this you don't talk about. Whites were killed and tortured in the past (like the jews in Europe), but that ain't important. The only thing important is that your ancestors were enslaved and robbed from their country. This is past, and I have no time to hate people. I have to live my, as people say, short life and if I were to hate everybody who's ancestors enslaved, killed or tortured my ancestors, my life would be a fucking waste. Please stop the white hatin.

BTW one thing I wonder, why don't all blacks who think like you don't go back to Africa, your home land ? Instead of critisizing the white americans and the united-states, doesn't going back to Africa solve the problem ? You won't have whites to "rule" you and you'll be in your homeland.

Peace

Ok, I understand you are still young and you may not have done much research, haven't had much life experience, and you may just know what has been taught to you.

If we were to get reparations I would say first and foremost we should have control over at least half the states in America and money to start and help sustain a suscessful economy until we can sustain ourselves.

The only problem with this is that whites have destroyed our mind so much that if we had that freedom we wouldn't be able to handle it. That's why my duty is to teach the black family the knowledge of themselves. See when you fix the mind the body will fall into place because the mind controls the body. That is what whites did to us in slavery destroyed the mind, fuck the physical, the physical will heal. That is what I was building on in the post when I spoke about whites always look at slavery on the SURFACE level, it's deeper than that.

See think about it, how in the hell did whites keep us as slaves for OVER 400YRS!!! There was some serious mind fucking going on. That is why I recommend people read the willie lynch letter, it builds on the mental slavery tactics they used on us. The slave owners were afraid because when they first started to enslave blacks there were a lot uprisings so Willie Lynch came with the full proof method which was pretty much divide and conquer so that we would be more against each other than our real enemy and that is exactly what you see today with black on black violence.

The reason I don't talk about the slavery some whites went through is because you don't suffer from it today, it is not an issue. Also that slavery was nothing like Afrikan slavery, it was called indentured servitude, in which you were pretty much treated like an employee and granted freedom after your period of servitude was over.

And then let's talk about after slavery was over! What happened to black people then!!! Even more of us were murdered then because now we were just taking up space! You look at some of those lynching pictures and tell me the white man is not devil. What type of person hangs a pregnant woman, burns her, slits her belly open, and then stomps the baby to death, FOR NO REASON! This was AFTER slavery, when as you put it we were "free". Lynchings were an american past time then, family and friends gathered to go see a lynching like it was a baseball game. Then after the black male or female was lynched then they cut off the fingers and toes and white people took them home as souvenirs, like a white sox hat! This wasn't even war! In war I might could understand SOME of the behaviour, hey it's war, but this was not war, black people weren't bothering anyone we were already afraid.

I don't hate whites it's not in my nature I just understand whites now. When I do see an old slavery movie my blood does boil, but now I just understand why whites do what they do.

The reason we don't go back to Afrika is becase even though we are treated bad here, we made this country. If you spent day and night working on a house, if you bled, cried, and your people have died working to get this house built, wouldn't you feel like this was your house?

Also whites control Afrika now as well. So it wouldn't help to go there and the natural resources that made Afrika great and the cradle of civilization have been raped for whites economic gain.

I know and understand that you will probably never truthfully understand how black people feel and the serious situations we deal with DAILY and I don't expect you to. I just hope that this will at least make you think about what has been going on.

Peace.

Iron Fist
06-01-2006, 07:37 PM
Thanks for taking your time for answering. Whites were cruel back then, and what they did to your people was awfull. I am also fully aware that it takes a fucking while for a nation to heal after such a disaster, such a horror. Yes I don't particularly know how you feel, but right now I think I know a little bit how you feel, cause I'm aware that a nation hates me for what I have not done, and some blacks would like me dead. I just feel this is injustice, just like what happened to your people was. I still do not blame you cause it's normal to be full of hatred after this, and I am fully aware your nation is not close to a recovering. It was good discussing with you adn I will now stop the discussion cause we definitely aren't on the same wave lane.

PEACE

Sicka than aidZ
06-02-2006, 09:40 PM
Peace to all those who come in the name of P.E.A.C.E.


try as I may to overlook some things in this section it sometimes agitates me when we(The NGE) are attacked time and time again for what WE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND.

We do not try to push our Understanding on anyone, but time and time again we are constantly attacked even when we SHOW AND PROVE the truth. None of the Gods or the Queens asked for anyone in this section, matter fact the forum, to walk our path.


and they call the Gods crazy...............




smh

This is one of the nicest mahfuckaz i know, nakhi's a pimp, he's 5%

thejesusfunk
06-03-2006, 12:09 PM
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thejesusfunk
06-03-2006, 12:12 PM
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LHX
06-03-2006, 12:16 PM
people should read a version of the lessons that do not contain the words white and black


words are just words



replace the words with enlightened man and idiot

god-incarnates and people who are unaware they are god-incarnates



like i said in the other thread - or maybe this one


few black people are black people in 2006

Aqueous Moon
06-03-2006, 01:19 PM
few black people are black people in 2006

I'm not sure i know what you mean....could you elaborate a bit?

LHX
06-03-2006, 01:24 PM
I'm not sure i know what you mean....could you elaborate a bit?

just tryin to say that most black people in this society are white


and when i say most - i mean virtually all

Aqueous Moon
06-03-2006, 01:58 PM
Before the Renaissance, when were 'the whites' enslaving and mistreating non-whites? I ask this in all honesty, curious to hear what people think on the subject.

Before the Renaissance, do non-whites ever enslave or mistreat other non-whites, or whites?

Where and when did the notion of 'race' develop, and where and when did the science of genetics develop?

Finally, (and I may be flawed here), it seems to me that Black -> Brown -> Red -> Yellow -> White, still (no matter what changes have occurred) there is clearly a continuity. Wherefore, then, the discontinuity?

Peace,
'Isa

hmmm.....I would probally have to do some kind of hisotrical researching in response to the renaissance questions, I guess.

But, it seems like you are really trying to get to something else other than details about before and after the renaissance.

I would suggest that you study the 120 and student enrollment to get a clearer picture of the situation.

Because, I don't refer to whites as devils because of the mistreatment of Blacks. Although, mistreating others is a very devillsih thing to do.

White skin is a genetic defiecincy state....it's a mutation. And one of the effects of the 'disease' caused whites to be unnaturally cruel to others.

snapple
06-03-2006, 02:00 PM
^^i agree white skin is a mutation, but "White skin is a genetic defiecincy state....it's a mutation. And one of the effects of the 'disease' caused whites to be unnaturally cruel to others." where do you get this stuff from?

this just in, white people are meaner then blacks!

Aqueous Moon
06-03-2006, 02:12 PM
^^i agree white skin is a mutation, but "White skin is a genetic defiecincy state....it's a mutation. And one of the effects of the 'disease' caused whites to be unnaturally cruel to others." where do you get this stuff from?

this just in, white people are meaner then blacks!

http://suzar.com/BOTW/BOTW-ch5b-pages55-56.html

A lot of it has to do with white defiecency of melanin^ coupled with their weak, recessive genetic make - up, which is cause for their fear of white racial annihilation.

"I look at the system of racism having come into being consciously because the White population recognized, after they circumnavigated the globe, that they were a tiny minority, fewer that one-tenth of the people on the planet. And they were genetic-recessive compared to the genetic dominance of people who produce color. They realized that they could be genetically annihilated and White people could, as a collective of people, disappear. They worked out a system for White survival, which entails dominating all of the Black, Brown, Red and Yellow people on the planet. So racism is a behavioral system for the survival of White people. I would advise Black people and other people of color that since the practice of racism is the practice of White genetic survival, that the expectation that people who classify themselves as White can change this behavior is a high level expectation. Black people [must] finally understand that White people are playing a White survival game [which] has to inferiorize the functioning of Black and other people of color."
http://www.africawithin.com/welsing/welsing_interview.htm

snapple
06-03-2006, 02:27 PM
all it has to do with is location though....africa is located in the belt....the sun is more direct, more prone to skindamage therefor a higher need of melanin. in colder climates not as close to the equator(ie...europeans) it's not necessary to be dark due to not as much expose i learned that in highschool melanine has to do with your skin ive never heard of it effecting flows of chemichals or anything like that...i even clicked the link you gave explaining what melanine was and it doesnt say anything about blacks being nicer then white...was i lied too in highschool break it down...


i'm reading this shit with an open-mind but this all really just seems like bullshit "Melanin gives Black people advanced mental and physical ability" i read this paragraph but like the study itself i would think is crap....how are you gonna compare children who are raised in one continent to another ya know, who says it has to do with melanine, take one parent, give her a bunch of different raced babies and record the study over and over and over. some of these "facts" just seem silly.

"superior organism both mentally and physically. Black infants sit, stand, crawl and walk sooner than whites, and demonstrate more advanced cognitive skills than their white counterparts because of their abundance of melanin" theres no sources or anything, the sites are extremley biased and look extremley unprofetional. from a scientific standpoint their expereiments and statistics aren't balanced enough

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing that black people are stronger then white people, i'm just trying to understand where you're comin from cause i know some people who have real similar philosophies then you, but the stuff you're giving me doesn't seem to be legit at all

Aqueous Moon
06-03-2006, 02:52 PM
all it has to do with is location though....africa is located in the belt....the sun is more direct, more prone to skindamage therefor a higher need of melanin. in colder climates not as close to the equator(ie...europeans) it's not necessary to be dark due to not as much expose i learned that in highschool melanine has to do with your skin ive never heard of it effecting flows of chemichals or anything like that...i even clicked the link you gave explaining what melanine was and it doesnt say anything about blacks being nicer then white...was i lied too in highschool break it down...


i'm reading this shit with an open-mind but this all really just seems like bullshit "Melanin gives Black people advanced mental and physical ability" i read this paragraph but like the study itself i would think is crap....how are you gonna compare children who are raised in one continent to another ya know, who says it has to do with melanine, take one parent, give her a bunch of different raced babies and record the study over and over and over. some of these "facts" just seem silly.

"superior organism both mentally and physically. Black infants sit, stand, crawl and walk sooner than whites, and demonstrate more advanced cognitive skills than their white counterparts because of their abundance of melanin" theres no sources or anything, the sites are extremley biased and look extremley unprofetional. from a scientific standpoint their expereiments and statistics aren't balanced enough

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing that black people are stronger then white people, i'm just trying to understand where you're comin from cause i know some people who have real similar philosophies then you, but the stuff you're giving me doesn't seem to be legit at all


My high school definietly omitted this information. More than likely, so did yours. It's also possible that the teachers themselves didn't have this knowledge to teach.

About the study on babies...at 9 hrs, 2 days, 7 weeks. This has nothing to do with how the babies were raised, it's way to early for that.

And, there are sources at the bottom of each article.

You have the right not to except this knowledge as truth, that's your choice.
http://suzar.com/BOTW/2BOTW-intro.html
^^^^^

Sicka than aidZ
06-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Lol

LHX
06-03-2006, 03:31 PM
when white people die they become black

LHX
06-03-2006, 04:09 PM
people should read a version of the lessons that do not contain the words white and black


words are just words



replace the words with enlightened man and idiot

god-incarnates and people who are unaware they are god-incarnates



like i said in the other thread - or maybe this one


few black people are black people in 2006

palehorse

stop trippin over words


it has been mentioned repeatedly in this forum that there is more to it than skin color

and at root
the words you read are only words


words

LHX
06-03-2006, 05:23 PM
so why do u say black and white and not enlightened man/idiot

i dint write the 120 lessons


and if you want to know why those words WERE chosen

you would have to take a look at who the intended audience was at the time they were written


youre a smart dude
you can figure this out



the only reason i found the lessons interesting was because i came across them AFTER studying other esoteric belief systems

remember this -
there are an infinite number of ways to say the same thing



skin color does have significance
but
its not as simple as people would like to believe


somewhere in between
'dark skinned people and light skinned people are completely different'
and
'we are all the same on the inside'
lies the truth

Aqua Luna
06-04-2006, 01:02 AM
so to put it bluntly your saying the teachings of the 5% should not be taken literally

i understand well the times that 5% idealogy came about and the purpose it served.

shit is outdated and a fallicy
u said it yourself
its nothing more than propaganda that infects the minds of ignorant naive people no different than then bush and the pope pumping christianity, hitlers master race, radical left and rights......

fear and guilt are the tactics used to spread theese idealogies

shit is poisonous

It don't take no Hitler mass murdering evil mother fukka to create the Black people.

But, it does take the Original Asiatic dominate genes having black man to create white devils.

Ya'll go about kiling yourselves just fine...you don't even need our help.

maestro wooz
06-04-2006, 01:31 AM
so to put it bluntly your saying the teachings of the 5% should not be taken literally


hello!

Aqua Luna
06-04-2006, 01:35 AM
hello!

And, goodbye!!!!....the differnce between God's knowledge and the devil's lies is the fact that God's knowledge can never be used against him.

you go ahead and "not take the lessons literately"....if it makes it an easier pill to swallow, go right ahead.

They still stand true, fuck Hitler.

mate2006
06-04-2006, 08:19 AM
White skin is a genetic defiecincy state....it's a mutation. And one of the effects of the 'disease' caused whites to be unnaturally cruel to others.

how

mate2006
06-04-2006, 08:31 AM
It don't take no Hitler mass murdering evil mother fukka to create the Black people.

But, it does take the Original Asiatic dominate genes having black man to create white devils.

Ya'll go about kiling yourselves just fine...you don't even need our help.

wtf are 'dominate genes'?

you are a moron. shut the fuck up.

thejesusfunk
06-04-2006, 08:36 AM
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aismani
06-04-2006, 08:50 AM
I'm not sure i know what you mean....could you elaborate a bit?

In sufi writings,the word BLACK is a code for WISE because both words are written the same way in arabic.Its about an mindstate,not race.Its kinda sad to see so many people gettin touched by a path dealing with divination(NGE) and then makin their own religion out of it due to the worst apartheid-nazi meaning the word religion can occupate.The MOORISH SCIENCE TEMPLE from which NOI and NGE splintered,was joined by lots of caucasians and i tell you:everybody attaching the truth of allah to a certain race is certainly NO god but a mental pig-eater.

dont surrender to your selves instead surrender to your self

aismani
06-04-2006, 09:10 AM
And, goodbye!!!!....the differnce between God's knowledge and the devil's lies is the fact that God's knowledge can never be used against him.

you go ahead and "not take the lessons literately"....if it makes it an easier pill to swallow, go right ahead.

They still stand true, fuck Hitler.

u dont represent 5percent.u take take the lessons literally?people who cant deal with allegories and decoded spiritual systems because they lack the basic informations on the origins of their lessons should just should up.u ever heard of the MOORISH SCIENCE TEMPLE?NOI and NGE rooted from it and it was joined by loads of caucasians...i guess takin the lessons literally makes it an easier pill to swallow for you,compensating your own hate towards yourself by considering your race being the chosen one.Hmm...walls in the mental.

aismani
06-04-2006, 11:05 AM
could u post an official link on suffism i always ben real intrested in it

checkout sufism.20m.com (it got an english version) or just look for idries shah and his brother.

aismani
06-04-2006, 11:20 AM
Ya'll go about kiling yourselves just fine...you don't even need our help.[/quote]

you are neither 5percent nor muslim,you is worshippin the devil aka the hate and fear within yourself.So you see, devil was created by yourself FOR REAL but it aint the whitey,stoooopid.:fucku:

Big Risk
06-04-2006, 11:28 AM
is that an oxymoron or no?

MaShPG
06-04-2006, 11:38 AM
well...i believe 99% of the time you encounter a white 5%er, he/she is doing it for acceptance/attention.

Kephrem
06-04-2006, 11:44 AM
In sufi writings,the word BLACK is a code for WISE because both words are written the same way in arabic.


Which "Sufic writings" specifically?

And also please explain how these writings correlate with the information once brought forth by Farad Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad, and "Clarence 13X".


Its about an mindstate,not race.


The men I just mentioned referenced some alleged and verifiable *historic* facts to make the claim that the blackman is god, so how do you reconcile this with your assertion that it is a "mindstate"??


The MOORISH SCIENCE TEMPLE from which NOI and NGE splintered,was joined by lots of caucasians


What year did this take place? And under whose tutelage?

aismani
06-04-2006, 11:47 AM
is that an oxymoron or no?

naahh it aint."Black" in NGE terminology means wise.This was taken from sufi teachings,which were originally written in arabic and in arabic "wise" and "black" are written the same way.Its about mindstate,not race,honorable Clarence13x expressed this clearly.And the organisation the NGE and NOI rooted from,the MOORISH SCIENCE TEMPLE included many caucasians.Every self proclaimed 5percenter takin the black man allah-allegory literal can officially be called 85percent.

aismani
06-04-2006, 11:57 AM
well...i believe 99% of the time you encounter a white 5%er, he/she is doing it for acceptance/attention.

sadly about two-third of all black 5percenters u encounter are black supremacist-afrocentricity cherryheads whose ability to deal with honorable Clarence13x`s teachings is much lower than their desire to lift their halfass self-esteem by hallucinating to belong to the divine race.MANKIND is the divine race and black nazis join aryan ones in hell.

Prince Rai
06-04-2006, 12:02 PM
The 5% is more than what u just hear. They maintain righteousness and if you follow such a path of truth and righteousness and do not act devilish by being unjust and kill innocent and be oppressive then you are no devil but a 5%er.

The question of skin is to be studied, but the answers lie in your actions within. you make yourself what you are and when you maintain a consistent life by virtue of rightoeusness, then you arefar from being a devil.

Ive heard blacks being 85%, 10%, therefore the colour of skin is just one story of the entire picture.


Its more about what you do and how you do it..

peace and blessings

aismani
06-04-2006, 12:56 PM
In arabic "wise" and "black" are written just the same and its a well known fact that in almost EVERY sufi-lyric it points out to the meaning wise.For more on that,read idries shah,most respected sufi teacher of the last century.

The sufi teachings were given to Noble Drew Ali,founder of the MST,when he travelled Egypt at the 20th centurys beginning and joined a local sufi cult,where he also got the circle seven koran.Back "home" he founded the MST(about 1915) by using a masonic concept(initiation rite e.g.) plus the islamic terminology we know(the temple was open to all races,in Alis terms whites were called celts or persians).As u should know NOI splintered from the MST after Alis death(in the late 40s/early 50s) and NGE rooted from the noi like 10 years later.

Kephrem
06-04-2006, 01:59 PM
In arabic "wise" and "black" are written just the same and its a well known fact that in almost EVERY sufi-lyric it points out to the meaning wise.For more on that,read idries shah,most respected sufi teacher of the last century.

The sufi teachings were given to Noble Drew Ali,founder of the MST,when he travelled Egypt at the 20th centurys beginning and joined a local sufi cult,where he also got the circle seven koran.Back "home" he founded the MST(about 1915) by using a masonic concept(initiation rite e.g.) plus the islamic terminology we know(the temple was open to all races,in Alis terms whites were called celts or persians).As u should know NOI splintered from the MST after Alis death(in the late 40s/early 50s) and NGE rooted from the noi like 10 years later.


Now please explain how these Sufic writings (which you claim employs the word "black" and "wise" interchangeably) correlate with the HISTORICAL information (of black primordial civilizations and gods) once brought forth by Farad Muhammad, Elijah Muhammad, and "Clarence 13X".




Its about an mindstate,not race. -- aismani


The men I just mentioned referenced some alleged and verifiable *historic* facts to make the claim that the blackman is god, so how do you reconcile this with your assertion that it is a "mindstate"?? -- Kephrem



The MOORISH SCIENCE TEMPLE from which NOI and NGE splintered,was joined by lots of caucasians -- aismani


What year did this take place? And under whose tutelage? -- Kephrem

Aqua Luna
06-04-2006, 03:24 PM
In sufi writings,the word BLACK is a code for WISE because both words are written the same way in arabic.Its about an mindstate,not race.Its kinda sad to see so many people gettin touched by a path dealing with divination(NGE) and then makin their own religion out of it due to the worst apartheid-nazi meaning the word religion can occupate.The MOORISH SCIENCE TEMPLE from which NOI and NGE splintered,was joined by lots of caucasians and i tell you:everybody attaching the truth of allah to a certain race is certainly NO god but a mental pig-eater.

dont surrender to your selves instead surrender to your self

"Race" is the whiteman's way of thinking. The Original Asiatic Blackman has no race.

He is the Original Supreme Being of the Planet Earth. You should take this literally, figuratevely, in English, and in Arabic.

Aqua Luna
06-04-2006, 03:31 PM
Ya'll go about kiling yourselves just fine...you don't even need our help.

you are neither 5percent nor muslim,you is worshippin the devil aka the hate and fear within yourself.So you see, devil was created by yourself FOR REAL but it aint the whitey,stoooopid.:fucku:[/QUOTE]

I'm Earth, and if you don't understand what that means then you really don't have a clear understanding of my knowledge. Don't be a fool.

Aqua Luna
06-04-2006, 03:38 PM
naahh it aint."Black" in NGE terminology means wise.This was taken from sufi teachings,which were originally written in arabic and in arabic "wise" and "black" are written the same way.Its about mindstate,not race,honorable Clarence13x expressed this clearly.And the organisation the NGE and NOI rooted from,the MOORISH SCIENCE TEMPLE included many caucasians.Every self proclaimed 5percenter takin the black man allah-allegory literal can officially be called 85percent.

Realize that Clarence 13x has a titile. That titile is Father Allah.

Obviously, as you can see from his name, he was quite aware that he is Allah.

Sicka than aidZ
06-06-2006, 03:35 AM
"Race" is the whiteman's way of thinking. The Original Asiatic Blackman has no race.

He is the Original Supreme Being of the Planet Earth. You should take this literally, figuratevely, in English, and in Arabic.

and now its the other wasy around, people around here get along fine, like race doesnt exist. only one complaining about race is you around here. its all about money lady, look if u were able to make someone rich, they'll be your friend till they can get more money by cuttin u off. slave shit's the same thing, makin money.

and like LHX said, yall dont seem black or some shit. u sit back and take it. discuss solutions and shit but we ALLL know you're not gonna do shit about it. back years ago u woulda done something, i dont know, black man fucked up. natives took those honkey's to war and weree massacred. peace

Aqua Luna
06-06-2006, 04:41 AM
Getting along is great...

If you want to get along with ruthless mofos then mo power to ya.

But, while you are getting along the majority of the world is starving and dying. And who is it that is laughing all the way to the bank???.....

It's the ruthless white people.

I still don't know what LHX was talking about, but if that's how you see it.

Because, the truth is Blacks have fought back in various ways. When we protested and marched peacefully we got hosed and we got dogs sicced on us.

When we were just tryna live and not bother the devils, they bombed our churches and killed our children, they burned down our houses and buisineses and they lynched us and laughed in our faces about it.

When the Panthers tried to protect us, the whites used their twisted government system just to make sure we would stay vulnerable and helpless to their evil. COINTELPRO infitrated and murdered the founders of the Panthers.

And, today the oppresion continues. The NGE teaches the truth about the devils and we get slandered by the devil's children.

WE never sit back and take a damn thing. You are dead wrong.

june181972
06-11-2006, 02:31 PM
Blackman is God and whiteman is the devil. When the wrong people get a hold of the lessons, this is all they want to speak about. I wonder how many from the NGE can explain why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad called the whiteman the devil.
Plus, almost all people have been so poisoned by religion and the notion of a mystery, spook, spirit, non-true and living God that this whole Black white God devil stuff sounds crazier than it really is. The NGE should not be mystified by religion, thus explaining this Black and white God and devil stumbling block should a lot easier.

Prince Rai
06-11-2006, 02:50 PM
Blackman is God and whiteman is the devil. When the wrong people get a hold of the lessons, this is all they want to speak about. I wonder how many from the NGE can explain why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad called the whiteman the devil.
Plus, almost all people have been so poisoned by religion and the notion of a mystery, spook, spirit, non-true and living God that this whole Black white God devil stuff sounds crazier than it really is. The NGE should not be mystified by religion, thus explaining this Black and white God and devil stumbling block should a lot easier.

just stumbling upon a common view which is that, its not that "spook god" etc sounds all weird, its the belief that the teachings of the NGE may be viewed very rascist.

"spook" wont offend, white devil may! perhaps

Aqueous Moon
06-11-2006, 02:52 PM
So June...what's your understanding?

I would like to hear what you know about this.

Aqueous Moon
06-11-2006, 03:03 PM
just stumbling upon a common view which is that, its not that "spook god" etc sounds all weird, its the belief that the teachings of the NGE may be viewed very rascist.

"spook" wont offend, white devil may! perhaps

Right. It gets blown out of proportion just beacuse that word "devil" is offensive to people.

The only white person who ever asked me what I mean when I say "devil" was Eric Unseen.

Most people just hear that word and get mad. Instead of tryna understand what it means to us.

june181972
06-11-2006, 03:06 PM
Aqueous
The devil is the enemy of time. The whiteman made Time=Money. What was time before the advent of paper or metallic money? Time=Money, and look at how far the whiteman will go to make money. (not just slavery)

Prince Rai
06-11-2006, 03:11 PM
Right. It gets blown out of proportion just beacuse that word "devil" is offensive to people.

The only white person who ever asked me what I mean when I say "devil" was Eric Unseen.

Most people just hear that word and get mad. Instead of tryna understand what it means to us.

nah nah i get u,
ive been educated about thse matter by sunny ages ago.
i was tryn to explain there, why manyy assume the devil to be what it is.. the hollywood madeup being etc.

Aqueous Moon
06-11-2006, 03:16 PM
Aqueous
The devil is the enemy of time. The whiteman made Time=Money. What was time before the advent of paper or metallic money? Time=Money, and look at how far the whiteman will go to make money. (not just slavery)

I think I know what your saying....I'm just not drawing up a clear picture.

hmmm....are you saying that the white man is the devil because of his greed?

june181972
06-11-2006, 03:17 PM
I used the phrase "stumbling block" because people really think that some mystery took the time to make us. The spook God implies the super-natural, thus making the statement "Blackman is God" super-ridiculous. The Black white God devil issue is always put out there to make NGE and NOI sound silly. It would not sound silly if people understood that Allah is Mathematics and not some almighty spirit.

Aqueous Moon
06-11-2006, 03:20 PM
nah nah i get u,
ive been educated about thse matter by sunny ages ago.
i was tryn to explain there, why manyy assume the devil to be what it is.. the hollywood madeup being etc.

I know you get it, Princerai....I was just adding - on.

Sunny!!! I miss seeing his words. Yes, he did a lot of teaching here and I learned great things from him.

june181972
06-11-2006, 03:24 PM
Think about the creation as in the beginning of Genisis. Everything that God created took time. I do not have the knowledge to state how long a "day" was as the Bible puts it, but EVERYTHING takes time.
When I used to get dragged to the Christian Church, a speaker would always come up and say "God is good" and the congregation would reply "All the time" That is exactly it God=Good All the Time Mathematical not mystical.

Aqueous Moon
06-11-2006, 03:26 PM
I agree....100%

That's peace

Prince Rai
06-11-2006, 03:28 PM
I know you get it, Princerai....I was just adding - on.

Sunny!!! I miss seeing his words. Yes, he did a lot of teaching here and I learned great things from him.

word is bond i know.

i see him on other sites at times though.
like.. wait

Prince Rai
06-11-2006, 03:29 PM
http://www.raplevel.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=04ad33753e863ddaf7fc78260ea5dba8

plus the muds as u know

Aqueous Moon
06-11-2006, 03:35 PM
Thx for the link, Prince...and I'm digging the sig!

LHX
06-11-2006, 03:42 PM
Wow. There is some love floating around in this thread.

I fully endorse these sentiments.

Prince Rai
06-11-2006, 03:42 PM
Thx for the link, Prince...and I'm digging the sig!

thanks moon, i
asked born invincible for it and he produced exactly what i had imagined

Prince Rai
06-11-2006, 03:45 PM
Wow. There is some love floating around in this thread.

I fully endorse these sentiments.

lol heyy man! where u been.. join the air of peace :P

Aqueous Moon
06-11-2006, 03:48 PM
Wow. There is some love floating around in this thread.

I fully endorse these sentiments.

Peace Light! The bestest mod on Wu Corp!

LHX
06-11-2006, 03:59 PM
lol heyy man! where u been.. join the air of peace :P
I am at a loss for words these days.

Being the best moderator on this website is a heavy burden to carry.*



I might not be around too much in the next while, or I might get struck with inspiration and be in everybody's face. Again.

Who knows?














*That was a joke. No offense intended toward any of the other fine moderators at this forum who are almost as good as me.

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
06-11-2006, 04:20 PM
Universal Greetings and Salutations...........


Peace To All.....


just dropping in to spread love....


gotta go, there is a rally going on and I am mad late......



P.E.A.C.E.

Aqueous Moon
06-11-2006, 05:03 PM
Peace Nakhi....enjoy the rally!

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
06-11-2006, 09:40 PM
man the rally was on point Queen....


it feels good to be able to build with like minds

GoddessAka Browngirl
06-13-2006, 04:53 AM
In Holland when someone is crazy/not normal they/we say you're not 5% or you don't have them all 5. Is joke. Or do you have them all 5 on a row or you don't have them all 5 on a row.

In Italy they say deaf dumb and blind I am.

GoddessAka Browngirl
06-13-2006, 04:59 AM
To me it's just strange blackpower and Islam what you're talking about.

Aqueous Moon
06-20-2006, 07:54 PM
The whiteman is the God of this world (which really makes him the devil).....

The Blackman is the God of the Universe, like the Quran puts it:
"Lord of the worlds"..... "Master of the day of judgement".

White people are the "rod" God uses to show forth his power.

(Exodus 4:4 - 5) And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: 5 That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. 6

The underlined they is important to understand. Because this specifies a difference between the "they" and the "it" that became the "rod".

"they" represents a 3rd party.

a) You have the Lord - (Moses in the person of the Blackman who is knowledge)

b) The it - ("rod" or white people),

c) And the "they" who need to be convinced of something, in order for them to believe....

Who are the "they"? "They" are why we show and prove....No, not to convince the "its", but only to *understand ourselves.
*Understanding is when you see things for what they really are and not for what they appear to be.

Most White people tend to be very egotistical. They should try to understand this quote - "Yacub is not about you"

The Blackman taught you white folks a culture of evil....your wordly power is an illusion. Just like when you look up in the sky and you think it's blue, but we all know it's really Black.

It's just that your physical perception can't get out of the atmosphere of the Earth. So, you take what you see on face value....which is a no-no.

rubyspirit
06-20-2006, 08:53 PM
<snip>White people are the "rod" God uses to show forth his power.

(Exodus 4:4 - 5) And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: 5 That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. 6

The underlined they is important to understand. Because this specifies a difference between the "they" and the "it" that became the "rod".

"they" represents a 3rd party.

a) You have the Lord - (Moses in the person of the Blackman who is knowledge)

b) The it - ("rod" or white people),

c) And the "they" who need to be convinced of something, in order for them to believe....

Who are the "they"? "They" are why we show and prove....No, not to convince the "its", but only to *understand ourselves.
*Understanding is when you see things for what they really are and not for what they appear to be.</snip>

Interesting to see you quote the King James version, while reading your signature. What is your faith?

Aqueous Moon
06-20-2006, 09:00 PM
Interesting to see you quote the King James version, while reading your signature. What is your faith?

Not only did I quote it....I interpreted it.

My faith is myself.

Knowledge which when spoken is wisdom and wisdom gives birth to understanding but, only when you see things for what they really are and not for what they appear to be.

King James tries to fuck us over...but he will only succeed if we don't have understanding.

rubyspirit
06-20-2006, 09:31 PM
Not only did I quote it....I interpreted it.

Not correctly...

The rod is a symbol of God's power. Its also mentioned in Psalm 23.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. - Psalms:23:4

...thy "white people" and thy staff they comfort me. :no:
...thy "power" and thy staff they comfort me. ^O^

I've been a student of the Holy Bible for a long time. No church or building, just prayer for wisdom and understanding. :learning:

Aqueous Moon
06-20-2006, 09:35 PM
Not correctly...

The rod is a symbol of God's power. Its also mentioned in Psalm 23.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. - Psalms:23:4

...thy "white people" and thy staff they comfort me. :no:
...thy "power" and thy staff they comfort me. ^O^

I've been a student of the Holy Bible for a long time. No church or building, just prayer for wisdom and understanding. :learning:

Actually, the rod symbolizes God's (blackman's) power over white people. You would have understood this if King James hadn't fucked your brains out.

rubyspirit
06-20-2006, 09:47 PM
Actually, the rod symbolizes God's (blackman's) power over white people. You would have understood this if King James hadn't fucked your brains out.

Which one is it? White people or what? Appears someone has fucked your brains out. :dead:

Aqueous Moon
06-20-2006, 09:52 PM
Which one is it? White people or what? Appears someone has fucked your brains out. :dead:


The whiteman is the "it". God made the "it" his footstool. Now, I can show and prove the truth to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

I don't think that describes you.......:learning:

rubyspirit
06-20-2006, 09:54 PM
The whiteman is the "it". God made the "it" his footstool. Now, I can show and prove the truth to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

I don't think that describes you.......:learning:

You can't because YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT YOURSELF.

My 3rd eye is OPEN buddy. Can't pull any bullshit over me. Quit while you're ahead.

It could get UGLY.

LHX
06-20-2006, 09:59 PM
Everybody's third eye is open.

Aqueous Moon
06-20-2006, 09:59 PM
You can't because YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT YOURSELF.

My 3rd eye is OPEN buddy. Can't pull any bullshit over me. Quit while you're ahead.

It could get UGLY.

God don't like ugly....but, I do.

I have already explained it to you.

If you don't understand me then leave it at that. Do you.

rubyspirit
06-20-2006, 10:00 PM
Everybody's third eye is open.

I don't think so.

What about the 85%? Do you think those bling blingers 3rd eye is open? I have several family members walking around in a deep sleep.

Koolish
06-20-2006, 10:09 PM
Actually, the rod symbolizes God's (blackman's) power over white people. You would have understood this if King James hadn't fucked your brains out. what proof is there that King James wanted to advocate white supremacy and did this subliminally/metaphorically, even though in that time in England there was hardly any racial diversity. and what evidence is there that the Bible is actually advocating black supremacy, and not any other race (there are different cultures living in the middle east, black and white aren't the only two races).

and i'm pretty damn sure the "they" that they are talking about is THE ISRAELITES. the Lord God of "their" fathers, Jacob, Abram, Isaac, hmm... I wonder who's fathers those were... THE ISRAELITES!

the israelites were noted as being a stubborn people and so Moses had to show them a lot of times that God actually was there.

Aqueous Moon
06-20-2006, 10:35 PM
what proof is there that King James wanted to advocate white supremacy and did this subliminally/metaphorically, even though in that time in England there was hardly any racial diversity. and what evidence is there that the Bible is actually advocating black supremacy, and not any other race (there are different cultures living in the middle east, black and white aren't the only two races).

and i'm pretty damn sure the "they" that they are talking about is THE ISRAELITES. the Lord God of "their" fathers, Jacob, Abram, Isaac, hmm... I wonder who's fathers those were... THE ISRAELITES!

the israelites were noted as being a stubborn people and so Moses had to show them a lot of times that God actually was there.

Again, it has nothing to do with white suprmemcy..that is so fucking basic. That could be some modern corporate type shit you talkin bout.

And who or what is the 'God' you are referring to???.....

LHX
06-20-2006, 10:45 PM
I don't think so.

What about the 85%? Do you think those bling blingers 3rd eye is open? I have several family members walking around in a deep sleep.

It was sarcasm.

Koolish
06-20-2006, 10:55 PM
Again, it has nothing to do with white suprmemcy..that is so fucking basic. That could be some modern corporate type shit you talkin bout.

And who or what is the 'God' you are referring to???.....
if you can't answer that yourself you seriously need help. i see what you're trying to do, but it's obvious what God i was referring to.

Aqueous Moon
06-20-2006, 10:59 PM
if you can't answer that yourself you seriously need help. i see what you're trying to do, but it's obvious what God i was referring to.

What!!!??

How would I know what you think of when you think of God??

Geez, You need to be deprogrammed.....

Iam asking you...who or what is God to you?

I can't fucking read your mind.

Sicka than aidZ
06-20-2006, 11:48 PM
let it go girl, he's lost kkkause

Aqueous Moon
06-20-2006, 11:53 PM
kkkiss my bootay sikkka

Koolish
06-21-2006, 07:52 AM
What!!!??

How would I know what you think of when you think of God??

Geez, You need to be deprogrammed.....

Iam asking you...who or what is God to you?

I can't fucking read your mind.
The Judeo-Christian God, a God who created the universe, blessed the Israelites, sent Jesus to the world and is always there and what not.

Aqueous Moon
06-21-2006, 01:22 PM
The Judeo-Christian God, a God who created the universe, blessed the Israelites, sent Jesus to the world and is always there and what not.

aight...so if you keep approaching that scripture I described with a Judeo-Christian state of mind you won't be open to a new perspective.

Originally Posted by Koolish
what proof is there that King James wanted to advocate white supremacy and did this subliminally/metaphorically, even though in that time in England there was hardly any racial diversity. and what evidence is there that the Bible is actually advocating black supremacy, and not any other race (there are different cultures living in the middle east, black and white aren't the only two races).

and i'm pretty damn sure the "they" that they are talking about is THE ISRAELITES. the Lord God of "their" fathers, Jacob, Abram, Isaac, hmm... I wonder who's fathers those were... THE ISRAELITES!

the israelites were noted as being a stubborn people and so Moses had to show them a lot of times that God actually was there.


The reason why I said that it's deeper than white/black supremecy is because white/black is a physical condition.

The bible is a book that was intended to be a "spiritual guide", or a "religious" text that could control the minds of the masses. King James translated it with political intentions.


"James' interest in literature was tied in with a shrewd sense of propaganda. He realized that books, masques, sermons, and plays could all be employed in the service of the king, that they were the media which could best disseminate his views on kingship and could impress upon a large number of people it's power and majesty."
http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/james/jamesbio.htm


King James was a literary politicain, which is why I don't take the bible on face value.

Also, you gotta bring the scriptures out of the past and into the present. Identify the Isrealites of today, the Moses of the present times, and realize who are the "stubborn" people of today.

SKANK HILL
06-21-2006, 01:33 PM
moon must be a closet cracker cos all he does all day is hate on whites,youre not really rodney king are you or you just got a chip on ya shoulder?

SKANK HILL
06-21-2006, 01:37 PM
wotever the fuck it is needs to be put down like my last dog

LHX
06-21-2006, 02:05 PM
Am I ever glad I started this thread.

Now everybody knows where to go when they want to play the online-pissing-contest.


Google image search + Creative insults = A delightful way to spend a day

Koolish
06-21-2006, 04:19 PM
aight...so if you keep approaching that scripture I described with a Judeo-Christian state of mind you won't be open to a new perspective.



The reason why I said that it's deeper than white/black supremecy is because white/black is a physical condition.

The bible is a book that was intended to be a "spiritual guide", or a "religious" text that could control the minds of the masses. King James translated it with political intentions.


"James' interest in literature was tied in with a shrewd sense of propaganda. He realized that books, masques, sermons, and plays could all be employed in the service of the king, that they were the media which could best disseminate his views on kingship and could impress upon a large number of people it's power and majesty."
http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/james/jamesbio.htm


King James was a literary politicain, which is why I don't take the bible on face value.

Also, you gotta bring the scriptures out of the past and into the present. Identify the Isrealites of today, the Moses of the present times, and realize who are the "stubborn" people of today.
when I read the Bible I read it as more of a history book than something that is just all "spiritual" and "religious". things such as the Psalms are obvously spiritual in that sense but not every single book is, the majority of the Old Testament is historic but a guide at the same time, but remember that it is not all just one thing.

and i read that website and it made no connection between King James' writings (propaganda) and his translation of the Bible which was only briefly mentioned.

but don't you worry, i'm young so i can't be demanded of much but later in my life i plan to learn to read hebrew/latin/greek, know what the original texts of the Bible says and crush a lot of people in debate.

Aqueous Moon
06-22-2006, 03:06 PM
That website was explaining King James' intentions and motives as a literary. The bible wasn't the only thing he indulged in.

Everything he wrote had to do with theology and political persuasion.

And I respect your decision to learn how to read the original texts....because it is now well known that the origins of the bible are ancient Egyptain.


"The Egyptian word for paper was pa-pe-ra. The Greeks called it papyrus. One can easily see that the English word, paper, came from the Egyptian pa-pe-ra.

Your dictionary will also confirm that the word Bible is of an Egyptian origin. The Bible, or book, was derived from byblos, which is the Egyptian hieratic word for papyrus."
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/articles/egypt-bible-similarities.html

^^^there is more info in the link

MoT
06-22-2006, 08:14 PM
i cant believe some of yall still get your kicks from these type of threads


been over 3 years of reading the same thing


as far as i can see - the issue has been resolved over and over again


its like some of yall are hooked on these debates


either that or maybe there is some sort of mass-amnesia going on
or maybe just poor reading comprehension



still the last 10% of the pie has never really been covered as justly as the two other "main" and "influential" groups .. to exactly speak the 85 and 90-85


i've been reading the same stuff for a long time and always it always ended up god vs. devil .. righteous vs. uncivilised etc. whatever. but never really did anyone care to explain WHO exactly fits WHAT claims about the 10 %.. it surely cant be those who teach what they know is beyond their belief.

LHX
06-22-2006, 09:19 PM
still the last 10% of the pie has never really been covered as justly as the two other "main" and "influential" groups .. to exactly speak the 85 and 90-85


i've been reading the same stuff for a long time and always it always ended up god vs. devil .. righteous vs. uncivilised etc. whatever. but never really did anyone care to explain WHO exactly fits WHAT claims about the 10 %.. it surely cant be those who teach what they know is beyond their belief.

Hmmm...

This is a good question.

What exactly is the 10%?

I have come to understand that 'evil' is something that fits in Hollywood and is far removed from the reality we are living in.

What is the difference between an 85er who becomes wealthy (Bill Gates), and somebody who is considered 'of the 10%' (The President)?

The most sinister people on this planet are the ones that are in a position of 'authority', but have no idea how the universe works, and more specifically, what it would take to sustain a civilization on a planet.

It's like being in a car with a bad driver, and the doors are locked.

And it's raining.

Aqueous Moon
06-23-2006, 12:52 PM
The 10% knows the truth. They know exactly who God is and they maintain power by keeping that knowledge to themselves.

A good example of the 10% would be the Pope and his henchman like the religous preachers and pastors, deacons and priests.

Another good example would be the people who control the media and spread propaganda....like the CIA, COINTELPRO, and the so-called Jews who run most of hollywood.

But, it's like a pyramid, the ones higher up know more than others lower down, but they are all batting for the same team.

aismani
06-23-2006, 09:38 PM
But, it's like a pyramid, the ones higher up know more than others lower down, but they are all batting for the same team.[/quote]

Right.Thats why I know u and me are batting for the same team while you consider me a devil.

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