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denaturat
06-02-2006, 12:06 AM
what are the criteria that constitute are? do graffiti meet these criteria? what do you think?

T-dot, High Park:

http://www.ravensview.ca/photos/graffiti_toronto_keele/04_4b_15.jpg http://www.ravensview.ca/photos/graffiti_toronto_keele/00_6_6.jpg http://www.ravensview.ca/photos/graffiti_toronto_keele/04_4b_20.jpg

Punch
06-02-2006, 12:55 AM
I'm an artist and I most certainly consider graffitti an artform.
Calling it art is a little trickier, though. It depends on what your personal definition of art is.

From Dictionary.com

Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
The study of these activities.
The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value I thinh grafitti covers all of those. Many professional artists would argue that art must have social value. I think some graffiti falls into that category as well. Like every other artform,though,whether it be music, film or whatever, there's good and bad. Some kid writing his name on the wall is not art.


Here's the definition of Graffiti from ArtLex.com

graffiti - A drawing or an inscription made on a wall or other surface, usually so as to be seen by the public, and also called "Spraycan art" and "Subway art" at its height in the 1980s. Although it is sometimes mistaken for (or actually is) vandalism a defacing of public or private property and illegal; it may also be regarded as a form of art. Among the most highly respected of artists whose work emerged from graffiti are Keith Haring (American, 1958-1990) and Jean-Michel Basquiat (American, 1960-1988).

WhoWorksHereBanFans
06-02-2006, 01:22 AM
Some walls just need it.

WhoWorksHereBanFans
06-02-2006, 01:35 AM
Less boring..

Visionz
06-02-2006, 08:25 AM
I love graffiti. Brick made beautiful, fo'real. Plus, often you got the social commentary going with it or memorials to people cherished by the community. It's definitly art.

http://www.b-boys.com/images/graffiti/NineMill.jpg

http://www.digischool.nl/ckv1/beeldend/graffiti/DSC00009.JPG

Kong
06-02-2006, 09:44 AM
real graffiti is art but many just want to scribble some shit.

Edgar Erebus
06-02-2006, 09:48 AM
real graffiti is art but many just want to scribble some shit.
co-sign. But don't forget political graffiti

Urban_Journalz
06-02-2006, 12:34 PM
From the simple carvings on the stone wall caves in Europe, and Asia, to the Hieroglyphics in Egypt, this art has always been a form of visual expression for all mankind.
It's really no different than the other 3 elements of Hip-Hop.
The Emcee is the verbal expression.
The Graf artist is the visual,
The DJ is the audio,
and the B-Boy or B-Girl is the bodily expression of this culture.
It's all art, only expressed in different forms.
Peace.

hectis
06-02-2006, 12:42 PM
I Think It Is

THE W
06-02-2006, 12:42 PM
why would graffiti not be art?

TAURO
06-02-2006, 12:57 PM
From the simple carvings on the stone wall caves in Europe, and Asia, to the Hieroglyphics in Egypt, this art has always been a form of visual expression for all mankind.
It's really no different than the other 3 elements of Hip-Hop.
The Emcee is the verbal expression.
The Graf artist is the visual,
The DJ is the audio,
and the B-Boy or B-Girl is the bodily expression of this culture.
It's all art, only expressed in different forms.
Peace.

Exactly, I completley agree.

denaturat
06-02-2006, 01:35 PM
real graffiti is art but many just want to scribble some shit.

what do you think differentiates graffiti that's art from graffiti that is not art? I think just like with any form of art, there is good art and bad art, and i think it goes beyond just skill with the brush, or in this case spray can. there have been many good artists who's art ostensibly seemed simple but contained sophisticated ideas. do you think same could apply to graffiti?

what I noticed is that there are some people who constantly evolove graffiti, and those would more likely fall into the artist category. on the other hand, some graffiti is not original, it's just more of the same, just an imitation. I think this would fall on the other side of the spectrum with average art, or maybe not even art at all - just something along the line of decoration.

just like with other forms of art, I think there may be a way to diferentiate between the good, mediocre and bad.

abasi
06-02-2006, 02:27 PM
yes its art

arto
06-02-2006, 03:39 PM
it is certainly art, and i think is one of the most direct versions of visual art that can possibly be conceived. a lot of artists do things to make a point, to underline some vague philosophical point, but graffiti is done simply because of the fact that it is beautiful.

Urban_Journalz
06-02-2006, 04:09 PM
What diffrentiates graffitti from art, and bullshit is the same thing that separates Inspectah Deck from Lil John. Or Mos Def from Juvenile. The time, effort, and creativity put into your work, seperates it from someone who just decided to pick up a pen and write some shit. The same way we can look at a fly-ass tag and a simple scribble, and either say, "Yo, that kid was nice." or, "Damn, taht shit looks like he wrote it with his toes!" Is the same way we dechiper wether an emcee is worth listening to or not. Beats, and lyrics speak for the artist when thier own voices can't. We know from songs like, "Triumph" and "C.R.E.A.M.", respectively, that Inspectah Deck is nice on the mic. As well with songs like, "Fortified Live" and "Mathematics" that Mos Def is nice as well. You HEAR the effort put into that work. Just as you SEE the effort, or lack thereof, put into a piece of graffitti.

Peace

Sicka than aidZ
06-02-2006, 09:24 PM
check this fuckin shit out

Nash yo http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/jameztwo/caklaf8_nashx.jpg

Yeah,^^ this guys an artist

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/jameztwo/artcrimeskamakazi.jpg

Urban_Journalz
06-02-2006, 09:46 PM
Now see, THATS WTF I'M TALKIN' ABOUT!!!!!!!!

Sicka than aidZ
06-02-2006, 09:48 PM
thatas the shit dog, check this out

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/jameztwo/artcrimescalibuddhafunk1med.jpg

^^art

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/jameztwo/01776s.jpg

FUCKIN GOOD OL' VANDALISM^^

Sicka than aidZ
06-02-2006, 09:52 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/jameztwo/drue_usc_noty_rip.jpg

Sicka than aidZ
06-02-2006, 09:53 PM
GO HERE DUDE

WWW.ARTCRIMES.COM (http://www.ARTCRIMES.COM)

brown_dogg
06-02-2006, 10:15 PM
real graffiti is art but many just want to scribble some shit.
some artists just scribble some shit and call it "abstract art". so yea, graffiti counts too. unless it's a clear attempt at defacing property.

Sicka than aidZ
06-02-2006, 10:44 PM
hip hop u dont stop

mashqauck
06-03-2006, 12:13 AM
it's the best art, hands down

denaturat
06-03-2006, 08:33 PM
more art from my block

http://www.ravensview.ca/photos/graffiti_toronto_keele/04_4b_17.jpg
http://www.ravensview.ca/photos/graffiti_toronto_keele/04_4b_18.jpg

Urban_Journalz
06-04-2006, 04:30 PM
A clear attempt at defacing property.....well....since most, if not all property belongs to the government, I say deface it often. Make 'em spend money on paint and the like.
gigitty gigitty

MaXiMus Da MaNtis
06-04-2006, 07:14 PM
just a simple yes ....no need to argue

denaturat
06-05-2006, 12:33 AM
A clear attempt at defacing property.....well....since most, if not all property belongs to the government, I say deface it often. Make 'em spend money on paint and the like.
gigitty gigitty

most property is privately owned, it is not government owned

Big Risk
06-05-2006, 01:31 AM
If its good, it should be legal, if its just some scible shit, it should be 10x harder on you in court.

Alesco
06-05-2006, 10:51 AM
Hell yes. it is art

NAKHI the SOLORIAN
06-05-2006, 11:02 AM
From the simple carvings on the stone wall caves in Europe, and Asia, to the Hieroglyphics in Egypt, this art has always been a form of visual expression for all mankind.
It's really no different than the other 3 elements of Hip-Hop.
The Emcee is the verbal expression.
The Graf artist is the visual,
The DJ is the audio,
and the B-Boy or B-Girl is the bodily expression of this culture.
It's all art, only expressed in different forms.
Peace.


could not have said it any better...........

ElusiveFugitive
06-06-2006, 06:29 PM
From the simple carvings on the stone wall caves in Europe, and Asia, to the Hieroglyphics in Egypt, this art has always been a form of visual expression for all mankind.
It's really no different than the other 3 elements of Hip-Hop.
The Emcee is the verbal expression.
The Graf artist is the visual,
The DJ is the audio,
and the B-Boy or B-Girl is the bodily expression of this culture.
It's all art, only expressed in different forms.
Peace.

co-sign

Gawd
06-06-2006, 06:38 PM
what are the criteria that constitute are? do graffiti meet these criteria? what do you think?

T-dot, High Park:

http://www.ravensview.ca/photos/graffiti_toronto_keele/04_4b_15.jpg http://www.ravensview.ca/photos/graffiti_toronto_keele/00_6_6.jpg http://www.ravensview.ca/photos/graffiti_toronto_keele/04_4b_20.jpg

When it looks like that then yes...if someone just scribbles their set or name on a wall or bus stop then no