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Claustrofobic
07-03-2006, 06:22 AM
Ok I'm reading a book on the 5% Nation at the moment, and I just came across the Yacub theory....

Elijah Muhammad presented a new origin theory to his Nation that was based on his study with Fard, teaching that blacks are the original people. He spoke of an evil scientist called Yacub (or Yakub), who created the white race over six thousand years ago by means of grafting, or genetic engineering. Yacub's intention was to create a race of people wholly devoid of divinity, a race of pure evil. In order to create the white race Yacub bred for light skin (a recessive trait), and in the process of lightening black skin he also diluted the divine essence that is inherent in blackness

Ok now don't get me wrong, I'm trying learn everything about all religions and cultures on planet earth, and look at them from logical angles, trying to understand them and treat them equally to my own beliefs. But this shit is straight up amusing to me. I was wondering what people on this site have to say about this theory. Do you support this theory or not?

Give you're opinion on this theory.

JASPER
07-03-2006, 08:23 AM
No matter how openminded you are, you can't deny this is pure racism.

LHX
07-03-2006, 08:30 AM
the LHX edit -

...a scientist called Yacub (or Yakub), who created the white race over six thousand years ago by means of grafting, or genetic engineering. Yacub's intention was to create a race of people wholly devoid of awareness of their origins. In order to create the white race Yacub bred for light skin (a recessive trait), and in the process of lightening black skin he also diluted the natural strength and awareness that is inherent in blackness


the use of words is important

noel411
07-03-2006, 08:43 AM
Unless this paragraph was taken from the first page, I'm surprised it's taken you this long to find something you considered so outrageously ridiculous in a book on the 5% nation.

LHX
07-03-2006, 08:56 AM
everything is ridiculous when taken out of context


but
asking people to be disciplined enough to take that into consideration before broadcasting their criticisms would be too much to ask

it would take all the fun out of bashing things for no reason and being able to point the finger at others to blame

noel411
07-03-2006, 09:21 AM
I'm not gonna play this game again, fun as it is. I just saw the thread title on the forum index and had to take a look. After seeing the content of the thread I just couldn't resist. I'll get out of your hair now though.

Longbongcilvaringz
07-03-2006, 10:55 AM
i guess this isnt meant to be taken literally, as stories from the bible and koran arent meant to be. i dunno, if it is taken literally it is amusing to me.

Professor Poopsnagle
07-03-2006, 11:25 AM
jasper is right.

excuse me, but the quoted text is "nazi-like" or worse. a little bit more mystic backround than hitler and göring would have done it but also good. are there any 5%-dvdīs yet? at least homepages. this is remarkebly awesome that ppl make up this big backround to their theories.

but itīs necessary i guess. black ppl were always slaves and they still get fucked these days(not only africans), theyīre culture gets eaten up, if not integrated into another nation they have played a seeming meaningless part of the world.

itīs absolutely fantastic that black ppl find ways to make themselves deep-rooted racists, too. itīs their right. please go on. eat that hate, let it eat you. school yourselves. itīs very interesting. can i download that book somewhere?

it would take all the fun out of bashing things for no reason and being able to point the finger at others to blame

but doing it the first times itīs no fun, because you think what you write is important @internet.

june181972
07-03-2006, 11:34 AM
Before one can believe the Yacub theory, Moses splitting the Red Sea, or any such esoterica, one must first believe in the theory that humans today only use a small portion of their brain power.

If you were told a seven year old could have been the lead engineer in the building of the Golden Gate bridge, it would sound ridiculous, maybe even impossible.
But is it really that outrageous?

Time=Money is an advent of western civilization.
What was Time correlated with before that? Maybe knowledge?

Everything is commercialized today, even our schools.
And the more "prestigious" the school, the more money it will cost for the "privilege" of attending such a school.
How would one make more money off of education, make the system such that people have to spend more Time in school.
Which of course will put most of us in debt. Do you see the cycle?

I won't debate the merits of the "Yacub Theory."
People can believe what they want to believe.
But I will leave you with this:

Is it any more outrageous than the most popularized "religious theories" Western Civilization has given us?
The virgin birth of Christ.(commercialized as Christmas)
The resurrection of Christ after 3 days.(commercialized as Easter)

LHX
07-03-2006, 11:52 AM
jasper is right.

excuse me, but the quoted text is "nazi-like" or worse. a little bit more mystic backround than hitler and göring would have done it but also good. are there any 5%-dvdīs yet? at least homepages. this is remarkebly awesome that ppl make up this big backround to their theories.

but itīs necessary i guess. black ppl were always slaves and they still get fucked these days(not only africans), theyīre culture gets eaten up, if not integrated into another nation they have played a seeming meaningless part of the world.

itīs absolutely fantastic that black ppl find ways to make themselves deep-rooted racists, too. itīs their right. please go on. eat that hate, let it eat you. school yourselves. itīs very interesting. can i download that book somewhere?



but doing it the first times itīs no fun, because you think what you write is important @internet.
any situation where a person tries to inspire people can be called 'nazi-like'

what do you mean by 'or worse'?

LHX
07-03-2006, 11:53 AM
Before one can believe the Yacub theory, Moses splitting the Red Sea, or any such esoterica, one must first believe in the theory that humans today only use a small portion of their brain power.

If you were told a seven year old could have been the lead engineer in the building of the Golden Gate bridge, it would sound ridiculous, maybe even impossible.
But is it really that outrageous?

Time=Money is an advent of western civilization.
What was Time correlated with before that? Maybe knowledge?

Everything is commercialized today, even our schools.
And the more "prestigious" the school, the more money it will cost for the "privilege" of attending such a school.
How would one make more money off of education, make the system such that people have to spend more Time in school.
Which of course will put most of us in debt. Do you see the cycle?

I won't debate the merits of the "Yacub Theory."
People can believe what they want to believe.
But I will leave you with this:

Is it any more outrageous than the most popularized "religious theories" Western Civilization has given us?
The virgin birth of Christ.(commercialized as Christmas)
The resurrection of Christ after 3 days.(commercialized as Easter)

i dont understand the point you are trying to make here?

or is there more than one?

june181972
07-03-2006, 12:44 PM
i dont understand the point you are trying to make here?

or is there more than one?

The point:

For Yacub to make the white man
For Moses to split the Red Sea
Would require supreme knowledge, more brain power than we can currently concieve.

Many people believe that we only use a small portion of our mind's potential

These outrageous acts are only outrageous because our brains have been dumbed down.

Our society is constructed in such a way that knowledge is commercialized instead of being truly maximized.

Yasir Allah
07-03-2006, 12:52 PM
Ok I'm reading a book on the 5% Nation at the moment, and I just came across the Yacub theory....



Ok now don't get me wrong, I'm trying learn everything about all religions and cultures on planet earth, and look at them from logical angles, trying to understand them and treat them equally to my own beliefs. But this shit is straight up amusing to me. I was wondering what people on this site have to say about this theory. Do you support this theory or not?

Give you're opinion on this theory.

Peace

Whatever book you are reading, it is not about the 5% nation, it's on the Nation of Islam which is NOT US we are two completely different things. The ignorance on this board is amusing. Again the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Gods and Earths or 5% are two different things. I will not entertain anymore questions in regards to the Yacub theory or white devils, black gods or none of that. Myself as well as other people from my nation have tried NUMEROUS times to shed some light on what we are about and what we teach and it always falls on deaf ears, or we are being charged with being racist.

I am now realizing that the great majority of regular posters on this board are white. The funny thing is that you all are the ones that keep this going. Quit posting things about us or asking us questions if you don't really want the answer. For the record I don't see that Yacub theory as being actual fact right now, it is not enough evidence to support this theory. I have already did a post on how the NGE uses these lessons (which hardly got any responses), and I posted it again in another tread, I will not post it again so don't ask.

I just wanted to make it clear that what you are reading is NOT about us, it's on the Nation of Islam.

june181972
07-03-2006, 01:54 PM
Peace

Whatever book you are reading, it is not about the 5% nation, it's on the Nation of Islam which is NOT US we are two completely different things. The ignorance on this board is amusing. Again the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Gods and Earths or 5% are two different things.

Peace,

What is the difference between the teachings of Elijah Muhammad and Clarence 13X?

PATIENCE

Is the blackman God?
True indeed

But the Messenger had the wisdom to understand that before the blackman in America could or should call himself God, he had to get his house straight.

God is self-created and self-independent
We must first be free from the corporate cycle of America
We must be free from the cycle of incarceration
We must shelter our women and children from the inherent evils of America

Before we can truly exhibit our Godly qualities and nature
We have to have the ability to RIGHTEOUSLY defend and protect our OWN house.

Peace

Definitive X
07-03-2006, 01:57 PM
Alright, I'm sick of this bullshit...white folks gave Black folks hundreds and hundreds of years of persecution and oppression, destroyed cultures, ransacked highly-intellectual civilizations, raped races...we can take motherfucking Elijah Muhammad for fifty years!

Definitive X
07-03-2006, 01:59 PM
What is the difference between the teachings of Elijah Muhammad and Clarence 13X?

Elijah Muhammad's teachings were a little deeper into the actual Muslim religion...he wasn't as scientific as Clarence 13X was...at least, this is my own personal interpretation...I'm Jewish, don't go by me...

Claustrofobic
07-03-2006, 06:48 PM
Peace

Whatever book you are reading, it is not about the 5% nation, it's on the Nation of Islam which is NOT US we are two completely different things. The ignorance on this board is amusing. Again the Nation of Islam and the Nation of Gods and Earths or 5% are two different things. I will not entertain anymore questions in regards to the Yacub theory or white devils, black gods or none of that. Myself as well as other people from my nation have tried NUMEROUS times to shed some light on what we are about and what we teach and it always falls on deaf ears, or we are being charged with being racist.

I am now realizing that the great majority of regular posters on this board are white. The funny thing is that you all are the ones that keep this going. Quit posting things about us or asking us questions if you don't really want the answer. For the record I don't see that Yacub theory as being actual fact right now, it is not enough evidence to support this theory. I have already did a post on how the NGE uses these lessons (which hardly got any responses), and I posted it again in another tread, I will not post it again so don't ask.

I just wanted to make it clear that what you are reading is NOT about us, it's on the Nation of Islam.

You're not the only one willing to answer my question or share an opinion, you're not the only cat on this board that I can learn from, so don't act like you are by saying I'm not supposed to ask questions about your culture. Secondly, I never said this was directed at the 5% Nation, I said the book is about it. You must be clever enough to understand that the Nation Of Islam also comes to mention in such a book. The book is indeed about the 5% Nation, it's called "The Five Percent Nation in Rap Music".

supremecharma
07-04-2006, 01:35 AM
im surprised 'akkkueous moon' hasnt posted here??! trust, i aint no devil - y'all care 2 get it confused - thats ur problem....

Dirty Knowledge
07-04-2006, 02:44 AM
Yakub to some, Dexter to many.

LHX
07-04-2006, 07:29 AM
im surprised 'akkkueous moon' hasnt posted here??! trust, i aint no devil - y'all care 2 get it confused - thats ur problem....

This kind of shit is unnecessary.

supremecharma
07-04-2006, 08:05 AM
why? why is it unnecessary? its unnecessary for AQ to spoute shit about white people all day but y'all so far up her ass y'all cant even see straight. fuk outta here.

damaja
07-04-2006, 08:48 AM
Open your 3rd eyes people!

LHX
07-04-2006, 09:14 AM
why? why is it unnecessary? its unnecessary for AQ to spoute shit about white people all day but y'all so far up her ass y'all cant even see straight. fuk outta here.

It's unnecessary because it adds nothing to the discussion.

And personal vendettas can be taken up via PM.

Aqueous and I disagree about enough. There is no need to start tossing false claims around.

PEACE shithead

supremecharma
07-04-2006, 09:18 AM
and there u go layin it on me.........ur post means nothing now. "shithead"? took u a long time to think of that. im outtie to enjoy the sun. peace people. "shithead" lol

supremecharma
07-04-2006, 09:22 AM
oh yeah and i aint got no personal vendetta. jus educatin peeps on this site about AQ. thats fair play.

LHX
07-04-2006, 09:26 AM
and there u go layin it o me.........ur post means nothing now. "shithead"? took u a long time to think of that. im outtie to enjoy the sun. peace people. "shithead" lol

o no

i have oppressed you

i take it back

yes it took a long time to think of 'shithead'

i even consulted the elders

you are wearing out your welcome here

there are a lot of threads where people disagree and they do it in a civilized manner

y'all so far up her ass y'all cant even see straight. fuk outta here.

LMAO

go play video games

LHX
07-04-2006, 09:28 AM
jus educatin peeps

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http://www.smu.edu/teacher_education/images/kids-raising-hands.jpg

supremecharma
07-04-2006, 09:28 AM
video games??? chek it!! i aint picked up a controller for like 8 yrs probably more??? i aint the only one whose welcome is wearin thin my man....

supremecharma
07-04-2006, 09:30 AM
LMFAO - is that internet nerd language for something??

LHX
07-04-2006, 09:30 AM
video games??? chek it!! i aint picked up a controller for like 8 yrs probably more??? i aint the only one whose welcome is wearin thin my man....

keep missing the point

sall good


my welcome wore out many years ago

supremecharma
07-04-2006, 09:31 AM
look i am outtie this time. cannot b arsed. c yall

LHX
07-04-2006, 09:31 AM
LMFAO - is that internet nerd language for something??

we only hurt the ones we love

THE W
07-04-2006, 11:02 AM
For Moses to split the Red Sea


moses didnt use any brain power to split the red sea as he wasnt the one who did it. he called on god and He split the sea.

Skellington
07-04-2006, 01:29 PM
Hmmm LMAO, so...a scientist created us.....lol..... larie en apekool......

Blazing Fire
07-04-2006, 03:45 PM
i just have 1 problem with the logic

if the black folks were all conscious and good

and yacub was a black man

why would he do evil?

don't tell me he was posessed by the devil

EDIT: I do think alot of white people are mutants

damaja
07-04-2006, 04:06 PM
I vibrate when I walk past power lines.

LHX
07-04-2006, 04:32 PM
i just have 1 problem with the logic

if the black folks were all conscious and good

and yacub was a black man

why would he do evil?


That is the ultimate question.

Some may say it was pre-determined.

Some may say 'just because'.

Some say it was necessary in order for the black man to define his power.

It is a lesson that needed to be learned.



It is hard to find an answer to that question which is satisfying.

Ever heard the saying 'truth stranger than fiction'?

Claustrofobic
07-04-2006, 05:04 PM
That is the ultimate question.

Some may say it was pre-determined.

Some may say 'just because'.

Some say it was necessary in order for the black man to define his power.

It is a lesson that needed to be learned.



It is hard to find an answer to that question which is satisfying.

Ever heard the saying 'truth stranger than fiction'?

Basically, you're not giving us any usefull information here right? I DO want an answer to the question, I am curious. I do not find it satisfying at all not knowing an answer to it. I can imagine that this theory is true. It's no longer amusing to me, I thought about it and truth be told, anything is possible. But I do want to know how a divine black man would do something un-divine like this.

LHX
07-04-2006, 05:34 PM
Basically, you're not giving us any usefull information here right? I DO want an answer to the question, I am curious. I do not find it satisfying at all not knowing an answer to it. I can imagine that this theory is true. It's no longer amusing to me, I thought about it and truth be told, anything is possible. But I do want to know how a divine black man would do something un-divine like this.

You are looking for a clear simple answer like 'the butler did it'?

The most convincing answer I ever read in words was by Aqueous in a different thread when she talked about using mathematics to satisfy.

I do not take this matter lightly, and I am not going to jump around saying 'I know the answer' like it's something simple.

'He' did it because 'he' could.

Because 'he' could, it was necessary.

And we are here in the aftermath trying to figure it out.

The answer you seek is simple yet abstract.

Like in the first chapter of the Tao te Ching: 'The Way that can be spoken is not the true Way.'

whitey
07-04-2006, 10:34 PM
i just have 1 problem with the logic

if the black folks were all conscious and good

and yacub was a black man

why would he do evil?

don't tell me he was posessed by the devil

EDIT: I do think alot of white people are mutants


there is no answer, because its made up bullshit. (like all other religions though, so dont think im just a 5% hater)

Blazing Fire
07-04-2006, 10:35 PM
I vibrate when I walk past power lines.

that shit is real

it interferes with your internal electricity...

same thing with microwaves, cell phones, cordless phones, wi-fi, radio towers, etc...

i think that plays a role in why americans today are dumber than ever

we don't know how brains work but we know electricity is involved...

i stay away from that shit...

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LHX
07-04-2006, 10:49 PM
there is no answer, because its made up bullshit. (like all other religions though, so dont think im just a 5% hater)

What is the difference between 'made up bullshit', and a definition of truth?

Longbongcilvaringz
07-04-2006, 11:04 PM
there is no answer, because its made up bullshit. (like all other religions though, so dont think im just a 5% hater)

:mmmyah: :mmmyah: :mmmyah: :mmmyah: :mmmyah:

Sicka than aidZ
07-05-2006, 01:41 AM
Unless this paragraph was taken from the first page, I'm surprised it's taken you this long to find something you considered so outrageously ridiculous in a book on the 5% nation.

whats up noel dirt dog?

Kephrem
07-05-2006, 02:59 AM
White Devil is a misnomer. The Devil according to the Bible is Red. Esau was born the same color. The people who descended of Esau were the Edomites ("red people") and today through prophecy, physical description, and history we know that they are the Caucasian European race.

This image (http://www.dmnorthend.com/white_devil.jpg) of a cartoonish "white devil" shows an underlying redness even though it is primarily white, this is the case with majority of the caucasians today, who are different shades of red but are falsely identified as being "white". They are not white, they are red, different shades of red, from the top of their head to the tip of their toes, the majority lack melanin which results in the raw flesh/blood being seen through the supposed "white" skin. They even have certain terminology that describes them as such like: "red necks", "red blooded americans", "pink toes", they say to eachother when burned by the sun that they turned "red like a lobster". When experiencing emotion like anger, or when extremely cold many turn red and redder. Different shades of red are what caucasians are, not "white", which is actually descriptive of a clean leper within the laws of cleanliness and leprosy found in the book of Leviticus, an ancient disease divinely sanctioned effecting the European caucasian race which causes straight up "whiteness". (which at certain times turns red)


The original whiteman are the Redheads, and they once had Negro features and wooly hair.

http://www.wacker1.com/fashion/friends/redheads.jpg

The white race originally got their traits of straight hair, black hair, straight noses (though not as maxxed out like so-called caucasian Khazar Ashkenazi Hasidim Jews), little button noses, and thin lips from darker skin people. (indigenous traits which can still be seen in East Africa to India)