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LHX
07-03-2006, 02:14 PM
Although the white man is not seen as the group suffering on this planet, according to 5% literature, was it not the white man's suffering that led to our current situation?

Creating an entity through GRAFTING?

The teaching of lies?

The spreading of fear?

And then to be outcasted from the cradle of civilization - the warmth of Africa - and sent into the cold caves of Europe.

Has anybody on this planet suffered as much as the white man?


I see all the debates you enjoy having, but I can't pick sides anymore.

I can't see anybody who is clean in this mess.

I do not know of a single person who is 'living the good life' on this planet.


Everybody who seems to oppose the 5% system of knowledge seems to be picking on it for all the wrong reasons.

june181972
07-03-2006, 02:22 PM
Maybe this board is fucked up but:

It should not be a matter of "Us vs Them" or "Black vs White"

Rather "Right vs Wrong"

But as you said: "current situation"
Who is suffering now?

hectis
07-03-2006, 02:24 PM
I Don't Know What People Suffers The Most But We Need To Stop This We Suffer More Then U Talk Cuz The Whole World Is In A Fucked Up State Right Now Every One The Black, Brown, Red, Yellow And White Seed And We Need To Stop Fighting With Each Other Cuz At The End Of The Day Were All The Same Thing Human

Aqueous Moon
07-03-2006, 02:39 PM
Peace LHX,

The thing is that we can't blame the Truth. You can't say that truth is unclean. Truth just is.

IF you take Yacub as truth...

Then you should consider that either the whiteman had to be made weak and wicked.

Or else he would have never exsited at all.

Weak and wicked are harsh words, but in order to understand they need to be examined.

You said the teaching of lies....But, if you fed your puppy the same food that you eat he would vomit, and he'd rather eat the vomit.

LHX
07-03-2006, 02:41 PM
it is sad to see all the knowledge in the 5% get lost because people wont take the time to see it for what it is

and it is sad for people to be able to hate so easily

and even tho we are the same thing (human) it is sad to see that people won't take the time to observe the differences and investigate what the differences really mean

we all struggle
we all suffer

but we all struggle DIFFERENTLY
and we all suffer for DIFFERENT REASONS


and it doesnt mean that we cant work together

LHX
07-03-2006, 02:43 PM
Peace LHX,

The thing is that we can't blame the Truth. You can't say that truth is unclean. Truth just is.

IF you take Yacub as truth...

Then you should consider that either the whiteman had to be made weak and wicked.

Or else he would have never exsited at all.

Weak and wicked are harsh words, but in order to understand they need to be examined.

You said the teaching of lies....But, if you fed your puppy the same food that you eat he would vomit, and he'd rather eat the vomit.

i agree with most of this

but
im sure you will agree that the word 'wicked' can be replaced with a word that would be more welcoming, perhaps?

its like saying that your house is welcome to visitors, but you keep a booby trap wiff spikes at the entrance

hectis
07-03-2006, 02:47 PM
we all struggle
we all suffer

but we all struggle DIFFERENTLY
and we all suffer for DIFFERENT REASONS


and it doesnt mean that we cant work together

TRUE BUT MOST ARE NOT WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER

UNCLE RUCKUS
07-03-2006, 04:55 PM
[quote=LHX]it is sad to see all the knowledge in the 5% get lost because people wont take the time to see it for what it is

and it is sad for people to be able to hate so easily

and even tho we are the same thing (human) it is sad to see that people won't take the time to observe the differences and investigate what the differences really mean

we all struggle
we all suffer

but we all struggle DIFFERENTLY
and we all suffer for DIFFERENT REASONS

Peace,
I also think people should at least have some knowledge of the NGE before critising it/(those simply shit-talking its members are useless on this site and ultimately sever no purpose on this site; which should be for building together.)
The NGE folks on this site are the most respectful and dignified
constantly answering peoples stupid questions and patiently stating and re-stating their knowledge.
LHX, you say people lose alot of knowledge for not seeing the Nation for what it is; I am interested in reading your perspective on it.


Thanks

Aqueous Moon
07-03-2006, 05:08 PM
i agree with most of this

but
im sure you will agree that the word 'wicked' can be replaced with a word that would be more welcoming, perhaps?

its like saying that your house is welcome to visitors, but you keep a booby trap wiff spikes at the entrance


Yeah, I feel you but....

It depends on the visitor...every single visitor is not a welcome one, at least not in my home.

I think it's real important to teach a clear message. Misinterpretation is confusing.

It is always best to give respect. I would agree with that.

vikk
07-03-2006, 05:34 PM
Aqueous Moon You Are Always Welcome In My House

LHX
07-03-2006, 05:35 PM
LHX, you say people lose alot of knowledge for not seeing the Nation for what it is; I am interested in reading your perspective on it.


Thanks
My perspective on it is derived directly from 3 things

1. Reading the literature as I have come across it
2. Discussions with people online over the past years
3. Comparing it to other systems of knowledge

My perspective on it is that it is one of many manifestations of esoteric knowledge which has survived and evolved over the course of time.

The lessons were introduced into a very specific context in North America, and the people who decided to bring the lessons here knew exactly what the outcome would be.

The lessons in the literature was presented in such a way so as to appeal and make sense to the audience that it was directed at.

The black man in North America at that time was in an entirely victimized and oppressed situation. There was no time to be delicate about the specifics of 'black' and 'white'. The people that they sought to reach out to needed some empowerment and they needed it fast. They needed terms that they could immediately relate to, and clear objectives that were within reach.
The same way 'refinement' plays a role in supreme math, the lessons in the form that they were originally introduced to North America are merely the foundation to developing a refined understanding.

And the lessons were effective.

They were not specifically written for the online-2006 -suburban-caucasian-aged 15-34-internet-society. The same way the Tao te Ching wasn't prepared for this society. The same way the Bible wasn't written with this audience in mind.

But that does not nullify the knowledge. Not in the least. The knowledge, in its raw form, in the 120 lessons is IDENTICAL to the knowledge in the other books that I mentioned. The only difference is the words used, and the words used is generally determined by the audience that the literature was initially directed at.

If anything, these discussions are a true testament to what Wu-Tang has done. They have been wise enough to take the knowledge from the lessons, and refine them so that they are pertinent and make sense to the year 2000 audiences, and to do it in a matter that alienates as few people as possible.

A lot of people enjoy the wisdom and knowledge in Wu-Tang tracks, and even though the foundation of Wu-Tang is in the 120 lessons, the foundation of the 120 lessons go back even further than that.

It's not too hard to suggest that the REAL foundation of all this shit was before we even had words.



My personal angle on this:
I love the 120 lessons.
I love Supreme Math and the Supreme Alphabet.
I love the way it meshes so nicely into Taoism and the I Ching.
I love the way it meshes into Tarot.
Astrology.
Numerology.
History.
etc etc etc.

I've said it before, and I will say it again. The lessons are nothing more than a starting point - a point of departure to a better understanding of self and environment.

It's a journey. Part of the journey has to do with figuring out what words really mean, and not what we WANT them to mean.

In the lessons, does black and white mean 'dark skinned' and 'pale skinned'?

In some situations, yes. In some situations, no.

Are there pale-skinned people who are black according to the lessons?
Yes.

Are there dark-skinned people who are white according to the lessons?
Yes.

It's too bad we can't all get past the language.
But, I guess that's the way it's supposed to be.

'We have our teachings to share our joy with the people,
but then, to suffer for them as well' - some sample the Wu used on Iron Flag.

PEACE

UNCLE RUCKUS
07-03-2006, 06:15 PM
My perspective on it is derived directly from 3 things

1. Reading the literature as I have come across it
2. Discussions with people online over the past years
3. Comparing it to other systems of knowledge

My perspective on it is that it is one of many manifestations of esoteric knowledge which has survived and evolved over the course of time.

The lessons were introduced into a very specific context in North America, and the people who decided to bring the lessons here knew exactly what the outcome would be.

The lessons in the literature was presented in such a way so as to appeal and make sense to the audience that it was directed at.

The black man in North America at that time was in an entirely victimized and oppressed situation. There was no time to be delicate about the specifics of 'black' and 'white'. The people that they sought to reach out to needed some empowerment and they needed it fast. They needed terms that they could immediately relate to, and clear objectives that were within reach.
The same way 'refinement' plays a role in supreme math, the lessons in the form that they were originally introduced to North America are merely the foundation to developing a refined understanding.

And the lessons were effective.

They were not specifically written for the online-2006 -suburban-caucasian-aged 15-34-internet-society. The same way the Tao te Ching wasn't prepared for this society. The same way the Bible wasn't written with this audience in mind.

But that does not nullify the knowledge. Not in the least. The knowledge, in its raw form, in the 120 lessons is IDENTICAL to the knowledge in the other books that I mentioned. The only difference is the words used, and the words used is generally determined by the audience that the literature was initially directed at.

If anything, these discussions are a true testament to what Wu-Tang has done. They have been wise enough to take the knowledge from the lessons, and refine them so that they are pertinent and make sense to the year 2000 audiences, and to do it in a matter that alienates as few people as possible.

A lot of people enjoy the wisdom and knowledge in Wu-Tang tracks, and even though the foundation of Wu-Tang is in the 120 lessons, the foundation of the 120 lessons go back even further than that.

It's not too hard to suggest that the REAL foundation of all this shit was before we even had words.



My personal angle on this:
I love the 120 lessons.
I love Supreme Math and the Supreme Alphabet.
I love the way it meshes so nicely into Taoism and the I Ching.
I love the way it meshes into Tarot.
Astrology.
Numerology.
History.
etc etc etc.

I've said it before, and I will say it again. The lessons are nothing more than a starting point - a point of departure to a better understanding of self and environment.

It's a journey. Part of the journey has to do with figuring out what words really mean, and not what we WANT them to mean.

In the lessons, does black and white mean 'dark skinned' and 'pale skinned'?

In some situations, yes. In some situations, no.

Are there pale-skinned people who are black according to the lessons?
Yes.

Are there dark-skinned people who are white according to the lessons?
Yes.

It's too bad we can't all get past the language.
But, I guess that's the way it's supposed to be.

'We have our teachings to share our joy with the people,
but then, to suffer for them as well' - some sample the Wu used on Iron Flag.

PEACE

Peace LHX
And Thanks for replying so quickly.
I agree with a lot of this I think it was definately necessary to the oppressd of Amerika to have an empowering philosophy. I can completely understand; being from Amerika; how whites can be seen as demonic characters.
I think it is important to look at how we have been programmed by the media; the school system; the church; and the politics to be seperate. The Amerikan system is built not on democracy but on keeping 1% of its population wealthy and the other 99% struggling in one form or another(and bitter with eachother and not the very system that oppresses all of us). The last thing that 1% wants is social unity. If you look at the socialist movements of Amerika you will see time after time how they destroyed those movements with their slimy evil ways. Real revolution would be everyone recognizing their similarities and uniting to destroy their power structure. I think it is important for people on this site to big enough to get past all the termonolgy of devil and god and work on doing good to force out the evil in our society.
Respect to you LHX
and thanks again for your defintions I appreciate that
Peace

Treazon
07-03-2006, 06:41 PM
alot of knowledge flowin in this thread.. peace


i agree with what you two have been agreeing on and talking about. the points that i wanna show are the most important in my mind, is really defining the words "black" and "white", relating to pale/dark-skinned as LHX layed out for us.

for myself, black and white is more than anything a mind-set, lifestyle or instinct. throughout history black has been associated with survival, and white with thriving (thrival should be a word).

LHX you also talked about how this can relate to Taoism, which is dead on.

the yin and yang, dark and light side to everything. here is the contradiction, the dark side, Yin, would actually be represented by the "white" aspect of man. the light side, Yang, would be the "black" side of man.

its not negative/positive or right/wrong, its just different.

the caucasian man suffers, the asian man suffers, the african-american man suffers, the yugoslavian man suffers, its all the same shit. we're all humans, we all live, life is suffering, we all suffer. end the suffering by rejecting things that lead to evil. this is .BASIC. Buddhist teaching, which built off Taoism, branching to Hinduism, eventually Catholism, Islam, even fucking Astrology.

its all the same, and once people start to realize that the majority of people, deep down, are the same, the less internal problems we'll have here on Earth. We are in the middle of the melting pot, and eventually mankind might be on an equal playing field. for now, we just gotta teach and learn.

i think the world could take alot from what goes on in most large internet forums like this one.


peace

supremecharma
07-04-2006, 01:51 AM
^^Good post

WARPATH
07-05-2006, 05:13 PM
The same way 'refinement' plays a role in supreme math, the lessons in the form that they were originally introduced to North America are merely the foundation to developing a refined understanding.

And the lessons were effective.

They were not specifically written for the online-2006 -suburban-caucasian-aged 15-34-internet-society. The same way the Tao te Ching wasn't prepared for this society. The same way the Bible wasn't written with this audience in mind.

But that does not nullify the knowledge. Not in the least. The knowledge, in its raw form, in the 120 lessons is IDENTICAL to the knowledge in the other books that I mentioned. The only difference is the words used, and the words used is generally determined by the audience that the literature was initially directed at.



LHX, showing some true wisdom here. Some of the same knowledge in the 120 can be found in the knowledge behind the medicine wheel, native culture. There are many paths to find peace with each other and ourselves, we just have to respect each other's cultures to get a long. It falls apart when we say- "Your wrong, and I'm right. Your bible is wrong, by Koran is truth."

It's like when a mormon is on my door step trying to teach me, he's like "you need to get up on this mormon bus, but you gotta leave that native shit here. Here let me tell you about our lord and savior Jesus Christ." Then i'm like okay, well let me tell you about our savior, and he's like naw.......Jesus showed up in the Americas as well, look says it here in this book."

So i'm thinking, how is this kid gonna grow, if he's not willing to jump over to my side of the fence for awhile? I mean I called you wanting to learn about the book of mormon so we can build, not so that you can tell me I'm full of shit.

CherChezLaMarauder
07-05-2006, 05:16 PM
For Some Twisted Reason The World Has A Hard-on For Suffering

Edgar Erebus
07-05-2006, 05:20 PM
Poor we crackers. How would we not suffer if 70% of us is fat?

aismani
07-09-2006, 06:12 PM
good post lhx

Kong
07-09-2006, 07:49 PM
thanks lhx that post was informative.

Professor Poopsnagle
07-09-2006, 07:59 PM
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iniquity
07-09-2006, 09:29 PM
Maybe this board is fucked up but:

It should not be a matter of "Us vs Them" or "Black vs White"

Rather "Right vs Wrong"

But as you said: "current situation"
Who is suffering now?


.. wrd, a lot of black supremacists on ktl .. :(W ..

LHX
07-09-2006, 10:55 PM
.. wrd, a lot of people who think they know it all on ktl .. :(W ..


correction

Blazing Fire
07-09-2006, 11:53 PM
I think it is important to look at how we have been programmed by the media; the school system; the church; and the politics to be seperate. The Amerikan system is built not on democracy but on keeping 1% of its population wealthy and the other 99% struggling in one form or another(and bitter with eachother and not the very system that oppresses all of us). The last thing that 1% wants is social unity. If you look at the socialist movements of Amerika you will see time after time how they destroyed those movements with their slimy evil ways. Real revolution would be everyone recognizing their similarities and uniting to destroy their power structure. I think it is important for people on this site to big enough to get past all the termonolgy of devil and god and work on doing good to force out the evil in our society.


Very true

LHX
07-10-2006, 12:53 AM
im suffering...kill me...please
seriously
kill me
fuck that

nobodys goin anywhere without me

abasi
07-10-2006, 11:38 AM
true