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LHX
07-18-2006, 07:17 PM
"The best warrior knows that dying at the hands of treachery is noble, for it exposes the enemy."


how difficult is it to come to terms with this?

Gawd
07-18-2006, 07:29 PM
"The best warrior knows that dying at the hands of treachery is noble, for it exposes the enemy."


how difficult is it to come to terms with this?

Maybe you should add a bit more. Like how difficult you find it.

LHX
07-18-2006, 07:37 PM
my bad

from what i can see, it seems to be one of the most difficult things to come to terms with

maybe it is because people do not trust the universe to deliver justice
maybe it is because people are unfamiliar with death until they die
maybe it is because people have a faulty illusion of 'fairness'

the reason why the quote says 'the best warrior' is a testament to how difficult it can be

Gawd
07-18-2006, 07:40 PM
my bad

from what i can see, it seems to be one of the most difficult things to come to terms with

maybe it is because people do not trust the universe to deliver justice
maybe it is because people are unfamiliar with death until they die
maybe it is because people have a faulty illusion of 'fairness'

the reason why the quote says 'the best warrior' is a testament to how difficult it can be

I'd say that the best warrior never dies at the hands of any1 else.

LHX
07-18-2006, 07:44 PM
I'd say that the best warrior never dies at the hands of any1 else.

why?

Gawd
07-18-2006, 07:53 PM
why?

because they are the best. And to prove that they are they will survive everything.

Frontal Lobotomy
07-18-2006, 07:57 PM
I thought there was no greater honour for a warrior than to die on the field of battle

LHX
07-18-2006, 07:57 PM
because they are the best. And to prove that they are they will survive everything.

maybe a noble death is a form of survival

Gawd
07-18-2006, 08:03 PM
maybe a noble death is a form of survival

Death for a person can not include survival for that person.

LHX
07-18-2006, 08:05 PM
Death for a person can not include survival for that person.

are you sure?

isnt that a bit limiting?

LHX
07-18-2006, 08:42 PM
a pointless death?

who is judging?

june181972
07-18-2006, 09:29 PM
"The best warrior knows that dying at the hands of treachery is noble, for it exposes the enemy."


how difficult is it to come to terms with this?


The best warrior would incorporate any means to win a battle or a war.
Treachery would be one of his best weapons
Like Sun Tzu said the most important soliders are spies
Treason and treachery go hand in hand (All war is based on deception)

If someone is supremely treacherous, they can never be exposed
because they are always willing to take the next step and be even more treacherous

If someone is willing to supremely betray themself, as in some sort of suicide attack, what can you do?
If someone really wants you, they got you, if they are willing to take treachery to the next level

born invincible
07-18-2006, 10:44 PM
"The best warrior knows that dying at the hands of treachery is noble, for it exposes the enemy."


how difficult is it to come to terms with this?



when you say dying at the hands of treachery....

do you mean:


1. dying caused by another's treachery (example: victim of a suicide bomber)

or

2. dying caused by your own treachery (example: suicide bombers)




???

LHX
07-19-2006, 07:16 AM
when you say dying at the hands of treachery....

do you mean:


1. dying caused by another's treachery (example: victim of a suicide bomber)

or

2. dying caused by your own treachery (example: suicide bombers)




???


at the hands of somebody else's treachery

LHX
07-19-2006, 07:18 AM
The best warrior would incorporate any means to win a battle or a war.
Treachery would be one of his best weapons
Like Sun Tzu said the most important soliders are spies
Treason and treachery go hand in hand (All war is based on deception)

If someone is supremely treacherous, they can never be exposed
because they are always willing to take the next step and be even more treacherous

If someone is willing to supremely betray themself, as in some sort of suicide attack, what can you do?
If someone really wants you, they got you, if they are willing to take treachery to the next level

treachery is always exposed to the victim of it

that being said, do you agree with the original quote posted?

would you agree that it is noble?

june181972
07-19-2006, 08:31 AM
treachery is always exposed to the victim of it

that being said, do you agree with the original quote posted?

would you agree that it is noble?

How is war anything but treacherous?
There's no rules to murder
As there is no rules to survival in combat

If all war is based on deception
Then there is not much noble about being out fox in a profession based on out foxing

Unless the mission is designed for you to attack by suicide
There is nothing noble about losing/death
No A's for effort in war

LHX
07-19-2006, 08:38 AM
How is war anything but treacherous?
There's no rules to murder
As there is no rules to survival in combat

If all war is based on deception
Then there is not much noble about being out fox in a profession based on out foxing

Unless the mission is designed for you to attack by suicide
There is nothing noble about losing/death
No A's for effort in war
?

how is 'death' comparable to losing?

i understand your state of mind these days regarding your signature, but i don't know where you are coming from when you talk about 'rules'

as a side note, all wars are not based on deception

deception is a tactic - a decision

its not 'based on foxing'
but foxing does occur

perhaps you are assuming too much

june181972
07-19-2006, 09:24 AM
?

how is 'death' comparable to losing?

i understand your state of mind these days regarding your signature, but i don't know where you are coming from when you talk about 'rules'

as a side note, all wars are not based on deception

deception is a tactic - a decision

its not 'based on foxing'
but foxing does occur

perhaps you are assuming too much

You need bodies to fight a war
You don't have to out number the enemy to win
But sooner or later certain odds can't be over come

Death is comprable to losing because the opponent's goal is to kill you

I use the word "rules" because treacherous is a 'negative' adjective
War is not about 'positive' or 'fair' play
Kill or be killed, employ any means
This is not a sanctioned boxing match or karate tournament
The end is death, final, absolute
So don't try to justify the means by comparing your methods to your opponents
Either way, the result is irreversible

All war is based on deception: just quoting Sun Tzu
Maybe the translation makes the English phrase less than correct
Maybe it is implied that: in order to win, one should decieve
I just think there is truth in the words

$inista
07-19-2006, 09:33 AM
"The best warrior knows that dying at the hands of treachery is noble, for it exposes the enemy."

how difficult is it to come to terms with this?

I'd say that the best warrior never dies at the hands of any1 else.

I kind of agree with bighead, however i see your point also if you die fighting for a cuase it can be glorified & empowering your death & others still alive fighting thus making you a martyr

LHX
07-19-2006, 09:45 AM
You need bodies to fight a war
You don't have to out number the enemy to win
But sooner or later certain odds can't be over come

Death is comprable to losing because the opponent's goal is to kill you

I use the word "rules" because treacherous is a 'negative' adjective
War is not about 'positive' or 'fair' play
Kill or be killed, employ any means
This is not a sanctioned boxing match or karate tournament
The end is death, final, absolute
So don't try to justify the means by comparing your methods to your opponents
Either way, the result is irreversible

All war is based on deception: just quoting Sun Tzu
Maybe the translation makes the English phrase less than correct
Maybe it is implied that: in order to win, one should decieve
I just think there is truth in the words

what would you say to this:

To say that dying without reaching one's aim is to die a dog's death is the frivolous way of sophisticates. When pressed with the choice of life or death, it is not necessary to gain one's aim.


by the way - i do dig what you're saying
treachery is a 'negative' adjective - good eye for pointing that out

i will contest that 'death' does not hold the negative connotation that it is generally given

PEACE

june181972
07-19-2006, 10:48 AM
what would you say to this:

To say that dying without reaching one's aim is to die a dog's death is the frivolous way of sophisticates. When pressed with the choice of life or death, it is not necessary to gain one's aim


i will contest that 'death' does not hold the negative connotation that it is generally given

PEACE

The climax of life is death, that is a gaurantee

But one should never have an "aim" in life
To have an "aim" is to put a limit on oneself

If knowledge is infinite, then one always has somewhere further to go.
Simialr to the saying: "It's not the destination that matters, It's the journey"

When pressed with the choice of life or death
I would always choose life, becuase there is always more I can accomplish
If it is life or death in a comfrontational sense, employ the 1st law of nature!

Death is not negative, it is gauranteed
But one cannot prove or justify anything in death
Living reckless to prove you ain't no sucker is the frivolous way of dickheads

If one's journey has been satisfactory, they should not fear death on the basis of falling short of a goal.
But the goal should never be to die with the intentions of making a point.

Kong
07-20-2006, 03:36 PM
there is no revenge and the warrior never saw it coming.

why is it noble?