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07-19-2006, 08:43 AM
One Giant Gaza Strip from the Caspian to the Red Sea

By Mike Whitney

07/17/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- “We will not be the only ones who pay a price. Our homes will not be the only ones destroyed. Our children will not be the only ones killed. Our people will not be the only ones displaced. Those days are over. …I promise you those times have passed.” Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Leader of Lebanese Resistance Organization Hezbollah

The last few days have provided a troubling view of the new world order. The Israeli assault on Lebanon’s infrastructure has battered bridges, roads, power-plants, grain depots, apartment buildings, mosques, community centers, civilian homes, gas stations, ports and many of the country’s critical life-support systems. Additionally, Israel has killed 155 civilians including 15 children who were instantly
vaporized by a missile that destroyed their van while they were fleeing southern Lebanon. Israel has justified the carnage by pointing to the 2 soldiers who were captured by members of the Lebanese resistance organization, Hezbollah. But Israel’s defense is hopelessly flawed.

What if relatives or friends of the many US detainees who’ve been illegally imprisoned at Guantanamo, decided to use F-16s and laser-guided missiles to attack the Golden Gate Bridge, the Sears Tower, New York City’s electrical grid, and vast swathes of the highway system? Would that be equally justifiable? Or, more to the point, what if Hezbollah decided to blow up major parts of Israel’s infrastructure in retaliation for the hundreds of Lebanese prisoners languishing in Israeli prisons without any legal recourse? Would that be okay?

Israel’s rationale is merely an apology for state terrorism and it’s
utterly meaningless in respect to the enormous damage they’ve caused.

What if the shoe was on the other foot? What if it was Israel’s citizens who were locked away in Lebanese prisons? Would Israel simply leave them to their fate?

Hezbollah wants their prisoners back as much as Israel and they’ve shown a willingness to negotiate. Israel, however, has other things in mind; flattening another Arab country and plunging them into the Stone Age. This is the way Israel does business.

The history of the present conflict did not begin with the capture of the 2 soldiers as the media would have us believe, nor is it simply aimed at dismantling Hezbollah. Israel is planning to occupy the territory between its northern border and the Litani River in Southern Lebanon. This will provide access to an important water source for Israel and create a buffer-zone between itself and
Arab militants. The demonstration of overwhelming force is intended to send a message to Syria and Iran that they’d better “shape up” or expect similar treatment in the near future.

"A Clean Break"

Israel’s present battle-plan originated with a policy paper that was written by former Defense Policy Board chief Richard Perle and (Bush administration officials) David Wurmser and Douglas Feith. The document, which was titled “A Clean Break; Strategy for Securing the (Israeli) Realm” provides the details of Israel’s plan to topple potential rivals in the region and redraw the map of the Middle East.

The text reads: “Securing the Northern Border;

Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one which America can sympathize, would be if Israel seize the strategic initiative (preemption) along its northern borders by engaging Hezbollah,
Syria and Iran as the principle agents of aggression in Lebanon including…striking military targets in Lebanon, and should that prove insufficient, striking at striking at select targets in Syria proper.”

Perle’s document outlines exactly what is presently taking place even though it was written back in 1996. (It was composed for the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.)

This shows that Israel is not acting irrationally or spontaneously, but executing a carefully-considered master-plan for crushing potential enemies and reconfiguring the Middle East to accommodate the modern Israeli kingdom. (hence, the pretentious euphemism “Securing the Realm”)

This is the war that Israel wanted from the very beginning; a final showdown with arch-nemesis Hezbollah followed by confrontations with Damascus and Tehran. It’s all in Perle’s blueprint for “total

Prime Minister Olmert has not deviated one millimeter from the original scheme.

George Bush’s appearance in St Petersburg suggests that there was careful coordination between Tel Aviv and the White House so that Israel could carry out its depredations in Lebanon while Bush kept Putin occupied at the G-8 meetings. Eventually, Putin will realize that Bush has taken him for a fool by diverting his attention from events in the Middle East with bogus promises of membership in the WTO. Bush has proven once again, that while he may not read the newspapers, he is a shrewd Machiavellian-politician who is skillful at manipulating situations to his own advantage.

We should review Lebanon’s recent history if we want to fully appreciate the effort that has gone into preparing it for invasion. The assassination of Rafik Hariri gave Israel and America the perfect pretext
for intervening in Lebanese affairs via the United Nations. The public anger was effectively shifted onto Syria even though the evidence of Syrian wrongdoing was inconclusive. The public hysteria eventually led to UN resolutions against Syria which forced Bashar Al-Assad to withdraw his troops and accept that Syrian-patron, Prime Minister Lahoud would be replaced by the more-compliant Fouad Siniora.

We know now that the “Cedar Revolution” was just another clever “made-in-Washington” public relations scam orchestrated by skillful American NGOs and Israeli intelligence agencies. The “color-coded” revolutions have since been widely discredited as more of Uncle Sam’s tricks for bringing about regime change in countries where the leaders fail to conform to the economic diktats of the IMF and World Bank.

Consider how opportune it has been for Israel to have Syrian forces out of
the way while they lay-waste to Lebanon destroying anything in their path.


Think again. Everything from Bush’s appearance in St Petersburg, to the untimely death of Rafik Hariri, to the Cedar Revolution, to the removal of Syrian troops has been as painstakingly choreographed as a Bolshoi Ballet; all of it was mere preparation for the “Main Event”, Israel’s triumphant reappearance on Lebanese soil, now threatening to occupy the south for an unspecified period of time and, perhaps, pushing east towards Damascus.

Could Lebanon have escaped Israel’s wrath if its soldiers had not been captured by Hezbollah?

Not likely.

Israel’s has long planned to disarm Hezbollah and eliminate potential conflicts on its northern flank. That means that if Lebanon rebuilds and prospers once again, the threat of Israeli attack will increase accordingly.
Israel’s aspirations for regional supremacy does not allow for strong neighbors.

It’s clear that the devastation in Lebanon is intended to send a message to Damascus and Tehran. As Perle’s “A Clean Break” states, Israel wants to frame “Hezbollah, Syria and Iran as the principle agents of aggression in Lebanon”. The Israel-friendly media has achieved this by reiterating claims that Hezbollah is a “cat’s paw” for Syria and that Iran is providing high-tech weaponry for resistance attacks against Israel. Both countries have denied the allegations, but the stage has been set for a broader war that may engulf the entire region. The probability of regime change in Tehran and Damascus has only intensified as Bush and Olmert’s objectives become more apparent. (Note: Israel needs a friendly government in Syria to protect future pipeline routes from Northern Iraq to Haifa. Currently the
Mossad are working with the Kurds to ensure that Israel will become a main player in the energy markets in the coming century) Iran’s vast oil and natural gas wealth, make it the Middle East’s natural leader. This ensures that the Mullahs will be challenged and, perhaps, removed to allow for Israeli ascendancy.

The Impotent United Nations

As Israel steps-up its bombing raids on southern Beirut for the 6th straight day, the UN has never looked more ineffective or fragmented. The institution has been blocked from even providing its normally toothless resolutions condemning the violence. The UN has become a rubber stamp for American-Israeli policy; harassing Washington’s enemies like Iran and North Korea while obstructing any measure that threatens to curtail US-Israeli aggression. The massive and calculated decimation of Lebanon; including the willful destruction of
critical infrastructure, proves that the UN is no longer able to meet the minimal requirements of its original mandate to stop unprovoked aggression. In its present configuration, the United Nations is worse than useless; it is, in fact, abetting the hostilities and providing cover for resurgent 21st century colonialism. The present crisis could signal the death knell for the beleaguered “world body” as more and more nations will be forced into improvised security alliances to fend off Washington’s plans for global domination.

Curious onlookers should note that Israel’s attacks have not been aimed at Hezbollah, but mainly at Lebanese infrastructure. In fact, there have been no reports of Hezbollah casualties so far. This is no coincidence. Israel’s plan is to reduce Lebanon to rubble and create a humanitarian crisis similar to the one in the occupied territories. Throughout the
Arab world the same theory of “pacification” is being applied as Bush and Olmert continue their wanton assault on the basic platforms for human survival leaving millions of Muslims in abject poverty without food, medicine, clean drinking water, or sufficient heat or light. They have created tens of thousands of refugees who have been driven from their homes or left in the ruins to slowly die in the dark. From the Caspian to the Red Sea, from the Mediterranean to the western tip of Afghanistan, Israel and America are spreading their devastation across the Middle East transforming the entire region into one massive Gaza Strip.

07-19-2006, 09:07 AM

07-20-2006, 01:20 AM
Paradise Lost

Robert Fisk's elegy for Beirut

07/19/06 "The Independent' -- -- Elegant buildings lie in ruins. The heady scent of gardenias gives way to the acrid stench of bombed-out oil installations. And everywhere terrified people are scrambling to get out of a city that seems tragically doomed to chaos and destruction. As Beirut - 'the Paris of the East' - is defiled yet again

In the year 551, the magnificent, wealthy city of Berytus - headquarters of the imperial East Mediterranean Roman fleet - was struck by a massive earthquake. In its aftermath, the sea withdrew several miles and the survivors - ancestors of the present-day Lebanese - walked out on the sands to loot the long-sunken merchant ships revealed in front of them.

That was when a tidal wall higher than a tsunami returned to swamp the city and kill them all. So savagely was the old Beirut damaged that the Emperor Justinian sent gold from Constantinople as compensation to every family left alive.

How does this happen to Beirut? For 30 years, I've watched this place die and then rise from the grave and then die again, its apartment blocks pitted with so many bullets they looked like Irish lace, its people massacring each other.

I lived here through 15 years of civil war that took 150,000 lives, and two Israeli invasions and years of Israeli bombardments that cost the lives of a further 20,000 of its people. I have seen them armless, legless, headless, knifed, bombed and splashed across the walls of houses. Yet they are a fine, educated, moral people whose generosity amazes every foreigner, whose gentleness puts any Westerner to shame, and whose suffering we almost always ignore.

They look like us, the people of Beirut. They have light-coloured skin and speak beautiful English and French. They travel the world. Their women are gorgeous and their food exquisite. But what are we saying of their fate today as the Israelis - in some of their cruellest attacks on this city and the surrounding countryside - tear them from their homes, bomb them on river bridges, cut them off from food and water and electricity? We say that they started this latest war, and we compare their appalling casualties - 240 in all of Lebanon by last night - with Israel's 24 dead, as if the figures are the same.

And then, most disgraceful of all, we leave the Lebanese to their fate like a diseased people and spend our time evacuating our precious foreigners while tut-tutting about Israel's "disproportionate" response to the capture of its soldiers by Hizbollah.

I walked through the deserted city centre of Beirut yesterday and it reminded more than ever of a film lot, a place of dreams too beautiful to last, a phoenix from the ashes of civil war whose plumage was so brightly coloured that it blinded its own people. This part of the city - once a Dresden of ruins - was rebuilt by Rafiq Hariri, the prime minister who was murdered scarcely a mile away on 14 February last year.

The wreckage of that bomb blast, an awful precursor to the present war in which his inheritance is being vandalised by the Israelis, still stands beside the Mediterranean, waiting for the last UN investigator to look for clues to the assassination - an investigator who has long ago abandoned this besieged city for the safety of Cyprus.

07-20-2006, 01:24 AM
Lebanon civilian deaths morally not same as "terror victims" -- Bolton

By Agence France Presse

07/17/06 -- - UNITED NATIONS (AFP) - US Ambassador John Bolton said there was no moral equivalence between the civilian casualties from the Israeli raids in Lebanon and those killed in Israel from "malicious terrorist acts".

Asked to comment on the deaths in an Israeli air strike of eight Canadian citizens in southern Lebanon Sunday, he said: "it is a matter of great concern to us ...that these civilian deaths are occurring. It's a tragedy."

"I think it would be a mistake to ascribe moral equivalence to civilians who die as the direct result of malicious terrorist acts," he added, while defending as "self-defense" Israel's military action, which has had "the tragic and unfortunate consequence of civilian deaths".

The eight dead Canadians were a Lebanese-Canadian couple, their four children, his mother and an uncle, said relatives in Montreal.

The Montreal pharmacist and his family had arrived in Lebanon 10 days earlier for a vacation in his parents' home village and to introduce his children to relatives, they said.

Three of his Lebanese relatives died too, a family member told AFP.

"It's simply not the same thing to say that it's the same act to deliberately target innocent civilians, to desire their deaths, to fire rockets and use explosive devices or kidnapping versus the sad and highly unfortunate consequences of self-defense," Bolton noted.

The overall civilian death toll from the Israeli onslaught in Lebanon since last Wednesday reached 195, in addition to 12 soldiers, officials said. Twenty-four Israelis have also been killed since fighting began last Wednesday, including 12 civilians in a barrage of Hezbollah rocket fire across the border.

07-20-2006, 01:30 AM
can you summerize all that?

07-20-2006, 01:33 AM
skim read if you can't be bothered reading it all...

If i summarise i fear that i will destroy the very strong message they convey.

07-22-2006, 09:15 PM
U.S. Rushes Bombs to Israel


07/22/06 "New York Times" -- -- WASHINGTON, July 21 — The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday.

The decision to quickly ship the weapons to Israel was made with relatively little debate within the Bush administration, the officials said. Its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others because of the appearance that the United States is actively aiding the Israeli bombing campaign in a way that could be compared to Iran’s efforts to arm and resupply Hezbollah.

The munitions that the United States is sending to Israel are part of a multimillion-dollar arms sale package approved last year that Israel is able to draw on as needed, the officials said. But Israel’s request for expedited delivery of the satellite and laser-guided bombs was described as unusual by some military officers, and as an indication that Israel still had a long list of targets in Lebanon to strike.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday that she would head to Israel on Sunday at the beginning of a round of Middle Eastern diplomacy. The original plan was to include a stop to Cairo in her travels, but she did not announce any stops in Arab capitals.

Instead, the meeting of Arab and European envoys planned for Cairo will take place in Italy, Western diplomats said. While Arab governments initially criticized Hezbollah for starting the fight with Israel in Lebanon, discontent is rising in Arab countries over the number of civilian casualties in Lebanon, and the governments have become wary of playing host to Ms. Rice until a cease-fire package is put together.

To hold the meetings in an Arab capital before a diplomatic solution is reached, said Martin S. Indyk, a former American ambassador to Israel, “would have identified the Arabs as the primary partner of the United States in this project at a time where Hezbollah is accusing the Arab leaders of providing cover for the continuation of Israel’s military operation.”

The decision to stay away from Arab countries for now is a markedly different strategy from the shuttle diplomacy that previous administrations used to mediate in the Middle East. “I have no interest in diplomacy for the sake of returning Lebanon and Israel to the status quo ante,” Ms. Rice said Friday. “I could have gotten on a plane and rushed over and started shuttling around, and it wouldn’t have been clear what I was shuttling to do.”

Before Ms. Rice heads to Israel on Sunday, she will join President Bush at the White House for discussions on the Middle East crisis with two Saudi envoys, Saud al-Faisal, the foreign minister, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the secretary general of the National Security Council.

The new American arms shipment to Israel has not been announced publicly, and the officials who described the administration’s decision to rush the munitions to Israel would discuss it only after being promised anonymity. The officials included employees of two government agencies, and one described the shipment as just one example of a broad array of armaments that the United States has long provided Israel.

One American official said the shipment should not be compared to the kind of an “emergency resupply” of dwindling Israeli stockpiles that was provided during the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, when an American military airlift helped Israel recover from early Arab victories.

David Siegel, a spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, said: “We have been using precision-guided munitions in order to neutralize the military capabilities of Hezbollah and to minimize harm to civilians. As a rule, however, we do not comment on Israel’s defense acquisitions.”

Israel’s need for precision munitions is driven in part by its strategy in Lebanon, which includes destroying hardened underground bunkers where Hezbollah leaders are said to have taken refuge, as well as missile sites and other targets that would be hard to hit without laser and satellite-guided bombs.

Pentagon and military officials declined to describe in detail the size and contents of the shipment to Israel, and they would not say whether the munitions were being shipped by cargo aircraft or some other means. But an arms-sale package approved last year provides authority for Israel to purchase from the United States as many as 100 GBU-28’s, which are 5,000-pound laser-guided bombs intended to destroy concrete bunkers. The package also provides for selling satellite-guided munitions.

An announcement in 2005 that Israel was eligible to buy the “bunker buster” weapons described the GBU-28 as “a special weapon that was developed for penetrating hardened command centers located deep underground.” The document added, “The Israeli Air Force will use these GBU-28’s on their F-15 aircraft.”

American officials said that once a weapons purchase is approved, it is up to the buyer nation to set up a timetable. But one American official said normal procedures usually do not include rushing deliveries within days of a request. That was done because Israel is a close ally in the midst of hostilities, the official said.

Although Israel had some precision guided bombs in its stockpile when the campaign in Lebanon began, the Israelis may not have taken delivery of all the weapons they were entitled to under the 2005 sale.

Israel said its air force had dropped 23 tons of explosives Wednesday night alone in Beirut, in an effort to penetrate what was believed to be a bunker used by senior Hezbollah officials.

A senior Israeli official said Friday that the attacks to date had degraded Hezbollah’s military strength by roughly half, but that the campaign could go on for two more weeks or longer. “We will stay heavily with the air campaign,” he said. “There’s no time limit. We will end when we achieve our goals.”

The Bush administration announced Thursday a military equipment sale to Saudi Arabia, worth more than $6 billion, a move that may in part have been aimed at deflecting inevitable Arab government anger at the decision to supply Israel with munitions in the event that effort became public.

On Friday, Bush administration officials laid out their plans for the diplomatic strategy that Ms. Rice will pursue. In Rome, the United States will try to hammer out a diplomatic package that will offer Lebanon incentives under the condition that a United Nations resolution, which calls for the disarming of Hezbollah, is implemented.

Diplomats will also try to figure out the details around an eventual international peacekeeping force, and which countries will contribute to it. Germany and Russia have both indicated that they would be willing to contribute forces; Ms. Rice said the United States was unlikely to.

Implicit in the eventual diplomatic package is a cease-fire. But a senior American official said it remained unclear whether, under such a plan, Hezbollah would be asked to retreat from southern Lebanon and commit to a cease-fire, or whether American diplomats might depend on Israel’s continued bombardment to make Hezbollah’s acquiescence irrelevant.

Daniel Ayalon, Israel’s ambassador to Washington, said that Israel would not rule out an international force to police the borders of Lebanon and Syria and to patrol southern Lebanon, where Hezbollah has had a stronghold. But he said that Israel was first determined to take out Hezbollah’s command and control centers and weapons stockpiles.

Thom Shanker contributed reporting for this article.

07-22-2006, 09:16 PM
The Shame of Being an American

By Paul Craig Roberts

07/22/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out. Israel then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.

Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel's attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hezbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don't be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?

Of course, you don't know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.

Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN "NO." Bush has told the European Union "NO." Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime minister "NO." Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is enjoying Israel's rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in Iraq.

Does it make you a Proud American that "your" president gave Israel the green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends? Are you a Proud American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?

On July 20, "your" House of Representatives voted 410-8 in favor of Israel's massive war crimes in Lebanon. Not content with making every American complicit in war crimes, "your" House of Representatives, according to the Associated Press, also "condemns enemies of the Jewish state."

Who are the "enemies of the Jewish state"?

They are the Palestinians whose land has been stolen by the Jewish state, whose homes and olive groves have been destroyed by the Jewish state, whose children have been shot down in the streets by the Jewish state, whose women have been abused by the Jewish state. They are Palestinians who have been walled off into ghettos, who cannot reach their farm lands or medical care or schools, who cannot drive on roads through Palestine that have been constructed for Israelis only. They are Palestinians whose ancient towns have been invaded by militant Zionist "settlers" under the protection of the Israeli army who beat and persecute the Palestinians and drive them out of their towns. They are Palestinians who cannot allow their children outside their homes because they will be murdered by Israeli "settlers."

The Palestinians who confront Israeli evil are called "terrorists." When Bush forced free elections on Palestine, the people voted for Hamas. Hamas is the organization that has stood up to Israel. This means, of course, that Hamas is evil, anti-Semitic, un-American and terrorist. The US and Israel responded by cutting off all funds to the new government. Democracy is permitted only if it produces the results Bush and Israel want.

Israelis never practice terror. Only those who are in Israel's way are terrorists.

Another enemy of the Jewish state is Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a militia of Shi'ite Muslims created in 1982 when Israel first invaded Lebanon. During this invasion the great moral Jewish state arranged for the murder of refugees in refugee camps. The result of Israel's atrocities was Hezbollah, which fought the Israeli Army, defeated it, and drove it out of Lebanon. Today Hezbollah not only defends southern Lebanon but also provides social services such as orphanages and medical care.

To cut to the chase, the enemies of the Jewish state are any Muslim country not ruled by an American puppet friendly to Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the oil emirates have sided with Israel against their own kind, because they are dependent either on American money or on American protection from their own people. Sooner or later these totally corrupt governments that do not represent the people they rule will be overthrown. It is only a matter of time.

Indeed Bush and Israel may be hastening the process in their frantic effort to overthrow the governments of Syria and Iran. Both governments have more popular support than Bush has, but the White House Moron doesn't know this. The Moron thinks Syria and Iran will be "cakewalks" like Iraq, where ten proud divisions of the US military are tied down by a few lightly armed insurgents.

If you are still a Proud American, consider that your pride is doing nothing good for Israel or for America.

On July 20 when "your" House of Representatives, following "your" US Senate, passed the resolution in support of Israel's war crimes, the most powerful lobby in Washington, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), quickly got out a press release proclaiming "The American people overwhelming support Israel's war on terrorism and understand that we must stand by our closest ally in this time of crisis."

The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with a pro-American government. The truth is that the American people do not support Israel's war crimes, as the CNN quick poll results make clear and as was made clear by callers into C-Span.

Despite the Israeli spin on news provided by US "reporting," a majority of Americans do not approve of Israeli atrocities against Lebanese civilians. Hezbollah is located in southern Lebanon. If Israel is targeting Hezbollah, why are Israeli bombs falling on northern Lebanon? Why are they falling on Beirut? Why are they falling on civilian airports? On schools and hospitals?

Now we arrive at the main point. When the US Senate and House of Representatives pass resolutions in support of Israeli war crimes and condemn those who resist Israeli aggression, the Senate and House confirm Osama bin Laden's propaganda that America stands with Israel against the Arab and Muslim world.

Indeed, Israel, which has one of the world's largest per capita incomes, is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. Many believe that much of this "aid" comes back to AIPAC, which uses it to elect "our" representatives in Congress.

This perception is no favor to Israel, whose population is declining, as the smart ones have seen the writing on the wall and have been leaving. Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims who are being turned into enemies of Israel by Israel's actions and inhumane policies.

The hope in the Muslim world has always been that the United States would intervene in behalf of compromise and make Israel realize that Israel cannot steal Palestine and turn every Palestinian into a refugee.

This has been the hope of the Arab world. This is the reason our puppets have not been overthrown. This hope is the reason America still had some prestige in the Arab world.

The House of Representatives resolution, bought and paid for by AIPAC money, is the final nail in the coffin of American prestige in the Middle East. It shows that America is, indeed, Israel's puppet, just as Osama bin Laden says, and as a majority of Muslims believe.

With hope and diplomacy dead, henceforth America and Israel have only tooth and claw. The vaunted Israeli army could not defeat a rag tag militia in southern Lebanon. The vaunted US military cannot defeat a rag tag, lightly armed insurgency drawn from a minority of the population in Iraq, insurgents, moreover, who are mainly engaged in civil war against the Shi'ite majority.

What will the US and its puppet master do? Both are too full of hubris and paranoia to admit their terrible mistakes. Israel and the US will either destroy from the air the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, and Iran so that civilized life becomes impossible for Muslims, or the US and Israel will use nuclear weapons to intimidate Muslims into acquiescence to Israel's desires.

Muslim genocide in one form or another is the professed goal of the neoconservatives who have total control over the Bush administration. Neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz has called for World War IV (in neocon thinking WW III was the Cold War) to overthrow Islam in the Middle East, deracinate the Islamic religion and turn it into a formalized, secular ritual.

Rumsfeld's neocon Pentagon has drafted new US war doctrine that permits pre-emptive nuclear attack on non-nuclear states.

Neocon David Horowitz says that by slaughtering Palestinian and Lebanese civilians, "Israel is doing the work of the rest of the civilized world," thus equating war criminals with civilized men.

Neocon Larry Kudlow says that "Israel is doing the Lord's work" by murdering Lebanese, a claim that should give pause to Israel's Christian evangelical supporters. Where does the Lord Jesus say, "go forth and murder your neighbors so that you may steal their lands"?

The complicity of the American public in these heinous crimes will damn America for all time in history.

07-22-2006, 09:17 PM
Once again, truth is the first casualty of war

The exchange rate for Lebanese vs Israeli deaths now stands at 10 to one

By Robert Fisk

07/22/06 "The Independent" -- -- As many lies are now falling upon Lebanon as bombs. The explosions are easy to count – three on the southern suburbs of Beirut yesterday morning and many on the main highway to Syria, destroying more of the great viaduct at Mdeirej along with three passengers buses which were returning to Lebanon after carrying foreigners to Damascus. The lies were less obvious but just as powerful.

The first whopper came from Ehud Olmert. Hours after UN Secretary General Kofi Annan had asked for a ceasefire and appealed for "corridors" to allow the movement of humanitarian aid to civilians, the Israeli prime minister said he would allow just such a "humanitarian corridor" – between Cyprus and Lebanon. And that, of course, made the morning headlines. But there already is free sea passage between Cyprus and Beirut, What Mr Annan was asking for were "corridors" between Beirut and the heavily bombed villages of southern Lebanon – and only hours later, the Israeli army demanded the removal of all civilians within 20 miles of the Israeli border, an act regarded by the Lebanese as 'ethnic cleansing' but one of which Mr Olmert of course made no mention.

The Israelis were then reported to be planning the dispatch of a large ground force up to the Litani river in southern Lebanon, an offensive which would - if it were true – cost the Israelis heavy casualties and would anyway not prevent the Hizbollah from further long range missile attacks on Israeli territory. The generals in Israel's Northern Command were captains and majors during Israel's disastrous 1982 invasion and occupation of Lebanon and know the insanity of such an idea.

Then we had John Bolton, Washington's ambassador to the United Nations telling another lie. In order to avoid a ceasefire – an avoidance which will inevitably kill more civilians - and avoid a Security Council vote, he asked how a "democratically elected state" could have a ceasefire with a "gang of terrorists". It was impossible he said. Most Lebanese cabinet ministers – and at least one western reporter I can think of – regard Mr Bolton as a bit cracked. Either that or he is completely ignorant of Middle East history.

For in 1980, after Palestinian Katyushas were fired across the border, Israel – presumably Mr Bolton's "democratically elected state" - entered upon a ceasefire with Yassir Arafat's PLO guerrillas whom Israel certainly regarded as a "gang of terrorists". The truce was negotiated by Lieutenant General Bill Callaghan, the Irish commander of the United Nations force in southern Lebanon and guaranteed by the UN. The ceasefire was broken two years later by Israel when it bombarded the PLO because it claimed Arafat had ordered an attack on Israel's ambassador in London, Shlomo Argov. The Israelis were wrong; it was Arafat's ferocious critic Saddam Hussein who gave the order in the hope that Israel would falsely accuse Arafat of the crime and invade Lebanon. The Israelis obliged.

Yet still the lies continued yesterday. Reporters were busy yesterday saying that Israel was ready to lift its "naval blockade" on Lebanon for those 'humanitarian' supplies. But this is rubbish. Naval vessels evacuating foreigners from Lebanon have cravenly sought Israel's permission to do so – no-one has forgotten the 'accidental' Israeli air attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 – but in fact the Israelis withdrew all their warships from Lebanese waters after the Hizbollah struck a gunboat with an Iranian-made missile a week ago.

Although the Israelis failed to reveal this – and journalists allowed the story to die – it has now emerged that the Israeli naval vessel almost sank in the Mediterranean after the missile started fires in the engine room and killed four Israeli sailors. The conflagration burned for more than 15 hours as the crew desperately tried to save their ship.

Another lie – a smaller one this time – has crept into the narrative of how this latest dirty war in Lebanon began. On July 12th, Hizbollah members crossed into Israel, killed three Israeli soldiers and captured two others. Hours later, an Israeli tank crossed the border into Lebanon and blew up on a mine, killing its four-man crew. But now reports out of Jerusalem, and picked up by foreign governments, routinely speak of the Hizbollah attack which "killed nine soldiers". By conflating the two separate incidents, the Hizbollah's original assault, which was illegal, ruthless and deadly enough, more than doubles in savagery.

Again, we are still being told by Mr Olmert that there will be no prisoners swapped for Israel's two captured soldiers. But if this is true, why have the Israelis contacted the German security services who have negotiated every prisoner swap between Hizbollah and the Israelis for the past 20 years? It was the Germans, for example, who negotiated the swap of the remains of 123 mostly Hizbollah members and 45 prisoners from the notorious Khiam prison in southern Lebanon in return for the bodies of two Israeli soldiers, Rachamim Alsheikh and Jossi Fink, in July, 1996.

Oddly, although the names of the two Israelis held captive in Lebanon are now known, no interest has been shown in the names of the three principal Lebanese prisoners whose release has been demanded by Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, the Hizbollah leader. The Hizbollah lie is that these men are hostages who were held only for their pro-Hizbollah sympathies. Untrue. The most important prisoner – for Nasrallah, that is – is Samir Kantar from the village of Abey in southern Lebanon. The Israelis convicted him for attacking the Israeli town of Nahariya in 1979, killing three Israelis, and sentenced him to a highly creative 542 years in prison. But in 1979, the Hizbollah did not exist.

Yahyia Skaff was captured by the Israelis in March, 1978, after an attack on the Israeli coast with Palestinian guerrillas which cost 35 Israeli lives and provoked Israel's 1978 invasion of Lebanon, another Israeli military disaster intended to "root out terrorism" in Lebanon. Reports said that Skaff was killed in the incident – but prisoners released from Israeli jails insisted they had met him in captivity. Again, Hizbollah did not exist in 1978. Nasim Nisr, a Lebanese-born Israeli wasimprisoned for having contact with the Hizbollah, although Nasrallah has not been advertising the fact that he is demanding the freedom of an Israeli citizen.

Equally, the Hizbollah have been inventing Israeli casualty figures –they claimed seven Israeli soldiers were killed on the border in the past three days when the real figure is four, and that they have destroyed four Israeli tanks. In fact, they have destroyed just one. The exchange rate for Lebanese versus Israeli deaths now stands at just over ten Lebanese for every Israeli. At least 327 Lebanese have been killed by Israel, including a handful of Hizbollah men, two of them yesterday; 34 Israelis have been killed by Hizbollah, including 19 soldiers and sailors. So what chance of a ceasefire? During Israel's 1996 bombardment of Lebanon, an Israeli spokesman referred to the Hizbollah as a "cancerous growth" inside Lebanon. A ceasefire began just over a week later. Israel's UN ambassador, Dan Gillerman referred on Thursday to the Hizbollah as a "cancerous growth" inside Lebanon. Plus ça change?

born invincible
07-22-2006, 11:17 PM
usual finger pointing...

07-24-2006, 11:47 AM
the yawhoodi needs to leave the middle east.

07-24-2006, 12:44 PM
no question that bitch been on my mind all week!

Edgar Erebus
07-24-2006, 02:47 PM
The thing I'm really worried of... does no one is Israel axe himself -- goddamn, are those two soldiers golden that 24 Israelites died cause of 'em?

07-28-2006, 11:30 PM
exactly^^ But the even bigger question is what is the real motive? Clearly it is not what Israel would like to have us believe.

it is truly a sad state that the world is in... What is in fact happening is the destruction of an entire state. It is essentially genocide. A third of those who have died in Lebanon are children! Since when is the targeting of civilians acceptable. Who are the real terrorists in all of this...

And palestine... around the world it seems that defending your family and home has become a terrorist act. How easily do people forget the suffering... The world is in pain and people are too busy thinking about the bottom line to realise just how doomed the world is...that is, if we continue this seemingly perpetual lack of foresight...

There needs to be drastic changes in the world, for the sake of our humanity.

We need to do away with the notion of US and THEM and start working on a united front, as WE.


07-29-2006, 08:26 PM
I'm mostly worried for the sea that turned black now. At least it seems that Israel does not do all this for fukkin oil...and if you are critisizing both Us and Israeli propaganda u shouldn't quote The Independent, The New York Times, Information Clearing House............................................. ..
Do we agree, that Hizbollah is terroristic or not? Coz the Libanese government, represented by their elected Prime Minister stated in Italy at the conference that it is....
Do we agree, that it is very dangereux that civilians in Lebanon think that weapons are neede and that hizbollah iz needed?
Do we agree, that what Israel does is only making all this worse, coz now the civilians are pending more to that opinion?
Do we agree that the readings u offer to us are not telling u anything about the truth? (Whateva it iz)

07-29-2006, 08:28 PM
do we agree that israelites are semites, just like sunnies, shiites and arabs...?

07-29-2006, 08:34 PM
Do we agree that its all totally fukked up?
War is not the same as it was 5000 years ago..u know, since muhammad the non jewish semites have gone crazy, sorry it's the truth, and the leaders are to blame, because it is supposed to be a tolerant and accepting religion, look what happens brothers killing each other, nobody cares for Iran and the nukes now, and that is why Iran will support the hizbollah in stirrin the shit on and on, cos as long nobody gives a ffff bout their program

07-29-2006, 08:45 PM
do we agree that israelites are semites, just like sunnies, shiites and arabs...?

The fact that you have to ask if these people in Israel are "semites" (the word is actually SHEMITE) shows that they are imposters. They're not Israelites, they are Europeans, there are more Arabs and people more east that are true descendents (like some Afghanis) of Ben Yisrael then those today calling themselves "Israeli". The real Jews are BLACK, the children of Israel are the afro americans the hispanics and native americans.

07-29-2006, 10:14 PM
x-cuse me, I asked if ISREALITES (not mentioning "which" ones) are shemites (as far as I know the english transscription is semites)
and anyway actually not israelites are shemite but yahudies, why get into all that, why did the jewish tribes leave the mid east?
Maybe because tha pharaoh oppressed too hard, and they actually did not leave they escaped oppression..not to mention that there were no muslims at that time at all, so i understand y'all, i don't really have a grown up opinion about the jewish state being ok or not. I think nothing is okay that has to be arrogated, on the other hand the jewish state is small, and they wanted to gather the people from around the area to come into israel (i mean by that now the diaspore in the mideast only) now errybody else rather wants to expand the country, instead of gathering the lost people back (and believe me as 4 hungary i know how wrong that can end up) anyway i do understand that the developed muslim countries neva dealt wid original jews livin in a state around them (as for jewish kingdoms only hae been when there was no mohammedanism) so this is not cool, mostly not with weapons
The real Jews are BLACK.....lechaim dude
u prolly talkin bout the levy tribe...thing is the european diaspore involved a lot of kaukasian blood(whiteeuropean) so the real jews prolly were darker, but again as on several forums stated, we all were hairy once and all came from westafrica...anyway fukk the israeli government...but don't think the hizbollah would save y'all asses, y'all would be the perfect hostages/victims for them...and roots are where they are, for us prolly not 5000 years back in time
Peyss 2 godz an earths

07-29-2006, 10:50 PM
x-cuse me, I asked if ISREALITES (not mentioning "which" ones) are shemites

Are you saying that you wern't talking about the people calling themselves Israeli's and Jewish in Israel today?

(as far as I know the english transscription is semites)

1847, "Jew, Arab, Assyrian, Aramæan," from Mod.L. Semita, from L.L. Sem "Shem," one of the three sons of Noah (Gen. x:21-30), regarded as the ancestor of the Semites (in the days when anthropology was still bound by the Bible), from Heb. Shem. Semitic (1813 of languages, 1826 of persons) is probably from Ger. semitisch (first used by Ger. historian August Schlözer, 1781), denoting the language group that includes Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, Assyrian, etc. In recent use often with the specific sense "Jewish," but not historically so limited.

and anyway actually not israelites are shemite but yahudies,

False. It's not just the tribe of Judah, but ALL of the tribes of Israel that were/are SHEMETIC the descendents of SHEM.

why get into all that, why did the jewish tribes leave the mid east?

For those interested in finding the answer to that, read the book "FROM BABYLON TO TIMBUKTU" by RUDOLPH R. WINDSOR.

Maybe because tha pharaoh oppressed too hard, and they actually did not leave they escaped oppression..

You obviously don't know what you're talking about here. Why would you bring up a Pharoah as the reason for the Israelites leaving the middle east? the Pharoah was not in the middle east but in AFRICA.

The real Jews are BLACK.....lechaim dude
u prolly talkin bout the levy tribe..

No, I'm talking about the original Israelites and their descendents.

thing is the european diaspore involved a lot of kaukasian blood(whiteeuropean) so the real jews prolly were darker,

There is no "probably" they're still dark skinned people today.

Some of them mixed with white people in Europe but they didn't transform into what is known today as the Ashkenazim or Hasidim today. There are more real blood descendents of the real black Jews from ancient Europe among the Irish and Italians then with so-called white Jews today.

but again as on several forums stated, we all were hairy once and all came from westafrica.


I have no idea what you're talking about here. The are/were no "hairy" people in West Africa once upon a time.

.but don't think the hizbollah would save y'all asses, y'all would be the perfect hostages/victims for them...

Are you serious??


Hezbollah are smart enough to know that any non-white American hostages they may snatch up would'nt be worth SHIT...

07-30-2006, 06:22 PM
i am happy u can still laugh, really...
u happen 2 be better educated in this issue
So what isssss the goddamn reason 4 people that call themselves Jews living in the goddamn mideast...why is it that nations around them cannot accept that...whywhywhy
why is it that people (in their own country) think that elected governments (not in intervenience of the US) are worth shit compared to autonomic organizations (whos shouldn't have the weapons--->>the elected government should, and in the end nobody should..), autonomic organization with weapons--terrorists, just like free armies in france or belgium, but those actually are national organizations employing people from diffrent nations...
WHO IS RESPONSEABLE FOR THE "NOT-FUNCTIONING" OF RATIONAL DIPLOMACY?? why are the "israeli" scared? who was the firestarter? why did it start fire? why the fuck does it seem a nevaending war?
Questions that we ALL have asked ourselves for long years now.. and I herewith resign from the land, fukk aahliyah, fukk Israel, get tha fukk out, just like before, OK? But if somebody fukkin grows up somewhere, he probably wants to goddamn stay, that situation is paradox,
Maybe we should blame Hitler and Christianity for that, maybe the unreal Jews (allthough the biggest Synagogue in Eastern Europe in my City seems fukkin real), But maybe unreal people at all, I am against the Idea of Israel, because it'll stay a BLOODY idea for ever, one nation needs not necesserely ONE territory, look at the States, look at what Europe is doing (what is a Nation?)
(the ultimate neverending what is religion and what is a nation question)
all this makes it impossible to handle the issue with undereducated masses on both sides (and they're in overwhelming majority)
Still beggin 4 peacccce

07-30-2006, 09:04 PM
So what isssss the goddamn reason 4 people that call themselves Jews living in the goddamn mideast...

Why do they call themselves Jews? Simple, their parents and forefathers have been calling themselves that ever since the first group of them converted in Europe under Bulan.

why is it that nations around them cannot accept that...whywhywhy

Why wern't/arn't they accepted? Because the Arabs didn't/don't have anything to gain by going along with the joint U.S./U.N. lie that those Europeans are Jews, or that they're the returning Israelites.

Nasser told them straight up they're frauds and exposed their lies.

why are the "israeli" scared?

I doubt that they're scared. They're the ones who boast that they're military can, and probably could, destroy their hostile Arab neighbors.

who was the firestarter?

The elite (like the Rothschild family) who decided to ship those Germans and Russians (so-called Jews) to the land of Palestine after WW2.

why did it start fire?

Because Europeans are not the Israelites.

why the fuck does it seem a nevaending war?

Your perception is your own. The conflict there isn't even 100 years old.

, maybe the unreal Jews (allthough the biggest Synagogue in Eastern Europe in my City seems fukkin real),

It is real, a real synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9

08-04-2006, 01:43 PM
I am not circumsized coz I believe in evolution and showergel
Bye bye

08-05-2006, 10:36 PM
Qana 1996, Qana 2006 and The Arab Dis-League

By Mohamed Khodr

07/30/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- The Arab Dis-League and Arab leaders "condemnation", "express of outrage", "placing responsibility on Israel", or "complain to the United Nations Security Council" brought any comfort to a Muslim mother burying her killed and burned children in Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, or Afghanistan?

Have Arab conferences, meetings, or speeches for sixty years ever prevented Israel from acting as the world's sole terrorist state against the abandoned Arab masses to invade, massacre, and steal their land? Since 1948 Israel's history of expansionism follows the same pattern: It provokes, receives American "Green Light" to "defend itself", tells inhabitants to leave for self protection, kills them as they leave their land, then invades and annexes their land, while Arabs are sideline observers and "condemners". Israel's perfected talent lies in massacres and creating refugees damn the entire world.

While America supports all of Israel's military massacres, the Arab world runs and begs America for help and protection from Israel. The very same Judeo-Christian world that massacres and occupies Muslim land is the same world the Arab and Muslim world go to beg for mercy. What an embarrassing, self disrespecting and humiliating spectacle. But despite our oil wealth, our enlightened courageous leaders, our submissive masses, and our collusion with America for protection; what can we expect? Qana I in 1996 and Qana II in 2006 happened under the cover of the "Peace Process", "The Road Map", the "Saudi Arab League Surrender Plan", and Arab condemnation of Hezbollah. After all who cares about the Lebanese and Palestinians; they've been an Arab nuisance to Israel for decades.

The Muslim "Ummah" deserves its leaders. The Muslim masses very silence is a betrayal to our faith, lands, resources, and brotherhood. Israel kills, America supports, and Arabs accept what they must. Not one Arab nation pulled its Ambassadors out of Israel or America, not one called for boycotts or massive protests, not one leader went to Lebanon for support, not one dares challenge America lest there be a "regime change". How much Muslim blood must be shed before Muslims awaken their souls and spirit to challenge the modern killers of Muslims? The twelve year old Palestinian girl in Gaza while watching her entire family murdered by an American made Israeli rocket fueled by Arab oil screamed on behalf of the entire Muslim Nation: "Father, Father, forgive me". Don't forgive us little girl, we don't deserve your courage. We fear America, not Allah (swt).

08-05-2006, 10:42 PM
A Nato-led force would be in Israel's interests, but not Lebanon's

Every foreign army - including the Israelis - comes to grief in Lebanon.

By Robert Fisk

08/01/06 "The Independent" -- -- So, how come George Bush and Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara - after their inevitable disasters in Afghanistan and Iraq - believe that a Nato-led force is going to survive on the south Lebanese border? The Israelis would obviously enjoy watching its deployment - it will be time for the West to take the casualties - but Hizbollah is likely to view its arrival as a proxy Israeli army. It is, after all, supposed to be a "buffer" force to protect Israel - not, as the Lebanese have quickly noted, to protect Lebanon - and the last Nato army that came to this country was literally blasted out of its mission by suicide bombers.

How blithely the US and British governments have erased the narrative of the old Multinational Force - the MNF - which arrived in Beirut to escort Palestinian guerrillas out of Lebanon in August of 1982 and then, after the massacre of up to 1,700 Palestinian guerrillas at the Sabra and Chatila camps by Israel's proxy Lebanese militia, returned to protect the survivors and extend the sovereignty of the Lebanese government.

Does that sound familiar? And they also came to train the Lebanese army - one of the missions being foisted on the new Bush-Blair army - and they failed. Blown up by suicide bombers at their Beirut headquarters with the loss of 241 American lives, the US Marines retreated into the ground, digging earthworks beneath Beirut airport.

And there they lived until the newly-trained Lebanese army broke apart in February 1984 - at which point, President Ronald Reagan decided to "redeploy" his troops offshore. Like other famous historical redeployments - Napoleon's redeployment from Moscow, for example, or Custer's last redeployment - it represented a national disaster, a colossal blow to US prestige in the region and a warning that such Lebanese adventures always end in tears. The French left shortly afterwards. So did the Italians. A company of British troops had been the first to scuttle out.

So, how come anyone believes that the next foreign army to arrive in the Lebanese meat-grinder is going to be any more successful? True, the MNF was not backed by a UN Security Council resolution. But since when were Hizbollah susceptible to the UN? They have already failed to disarm - as they were required to under UN resolution 1559 - and one of the world's toughest guerrilla armies is not going to hand over its guns to Nato generals. But most of the force will be Muslim, we are told. This may be true, and the Turks are already unwisely agreeing to participate. But are the Lebanese going to accept the descendants of the hated Ottoman empire? Will the the Shia south of Lebanon accept Sunni Muslim soldiers?

Indeed, how come the people of southern Lebanon have not been consulted about the army which is supposed to live in their lands? Because, of course, it is not coming for them. It will come because the Israelis and the Americans want it there to help reshape the Middle East. This no doubt makes sense in Washington - where self-delusion rules diplomacy almost as much as it does in Israel - but America's dreams usually become the Middle East's nightmares.

And this time, we will watch a Nato-led army's disintegration at close quarters. South-west Afghan-istan and Iraq are now so dangerous that no reporters can witness the carnage being perpetrated as a result of our hopeless projects. But, in Lebanon, it's going to be live-time coverage of a disaster that can only be avoided by the one diplomatic step Messrs Bush and Blair refuse to take: by talking to Damascus.

So when this latest foreign army arrives, count the days - or hours - to the first attack upon it. Then we'll hear all over again that we are fighting evil, that "they" - Hizbollah or Palestinian guerrillas, or anyone else planning to destroy "our" army - hate our values; and then, of course, we'll be told that this is all part of the "War on Terror" - the nonsense which Israel has been peddling. And then perhaps we'll remember what George Bush senior said after Hizbollah's allies suicide-bombed the Marines in 1982, that American policy would not be swayed by a bunch of "insidious terrorist cowards".

And we all know what happened then. Or have we forgotten?

Day 20

* Lebanese dead - at least 577 confirmed, could be up to 750. Israeli dead - 51.

* Israel bombs and shells southern Lebanon despite announced halt in air raids.

* Rescue workers find 28 bodies buried for days in destroyed buildings in three Lebanese villages.

* UN postpones a meeting on Lebanon peacekeeping force indefinitely.

* Bush says he will seek UN action this week to end the fighting.

* Clashes near Aita Al-Shaab leave four Hizbollah fighters dead and three Israelis wounded.

Every foreign army - including the Israelis - comes to grief in Lebanon.

© 2006 Independent News and Media Limited

08-08-2006, 02:58 PM
from the online independent (Robert Fisks diary, wednesday 2nd August)

(...)The Israelis are now bombing all roads leading to Syria, especially at the border crossing at Masna (very clever, as if the Hizbollah is bringing its missiles into Lebanon in convoys on the international highway).
>>>Then the guerrilla army, which started this whole bloody fiasco<<<, fires off dozens more rockets into Israel.(...)

back to my opinion:
I am on the side of Lebanon, I do think that a lot of governments and politicians tend in to dangerous zones these days, no doubt, the hizbollah has two seats in the parliament in Beirut, they should learn from Mahatma Ghandi, and the Jews of Israel (the unreal Jews?-they represent todays jewish community) should fukkin resign from their own country as they do not need it---but as stated several times this is not easy coz the government forced several lives to feel at home there, it is natural that they won't leave

Muslimah is a demagouge misleader acting against peace, begging his brothers to bleed just because somebody is stronger that does not have to mean you have zero criticizm against your side--fuck u

Insh' allah

08-09-2006, 05:04 AM
Muslimah is a demagouge misleader acting against peace, begging his brothers to bleed just because somebody is stronger that does not have to mean you have zero criticizm against your side--fuck u

Insh' allah

Thanx mate, only thing even worth commenting on from everything you have said in this thread is this.

I am a woman.

Get your facts right before you start shouting out empty rhetoric.

08-09-2006, 06:23 AM
so you're a female muslim........ harsh.

08-10-2006, 05:25 AM
I'm really sorry, actually not because youre a woman and I didn't get that (also that though, but anybody in disguise should not be surprised), but becoz I'm reallly fukked up because of this whole thing, the last few days proved for me that Israel is just goin too far........this shit u know I sometimes take it seriuos I sometimes try to laugh (even at my own self)
anyway I'm sorry, just checked this forum
p.S.: Satan is an arabic word, isn't it??
another p.S: just because I come to a forum, and instead of trying to be King (not Salamon) I ask some questions, and try to make fun and friends, I should not be handled this way I think....
still beggin 4 peaccce