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LHX
07-21-2006, 05:37 PM
People with intelligence will use it to fashion things both true and false and will try to push through whatever they want with their clever reasoning. This is injury from intelligence.
Nothing you do will have effect if you do not use truth.

There are a lot of cats out there who can 'win an argument', and pick apart things that other people say with lawyer tactics.
But these type of debating skills are not often a demonstration of knowledge.

Xsavior
07-21-2006, 05:50 PM
The Master said, 'Shall I teach you what
knowledge is? When you know a thing, to hold that you know
it; and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you do not
know it;-- this is knowledge.'

-Confucius

Frontal Lobotomy
07-21-2006, 05:51 PM
People with 'high IQs' are more prone to depression and psychoses. Slighty deviant from the start of the topic, but another 'injury from intellect'
Going back to the original extract, I'd have to say there's a massive difference from 'winning' an argument, and an acute demonstration of knowledge. An argument is about one-upmanship, as opposed to a debate, where there is at least a mutal respect for what people have to say, a demonstration of their knowledge as such.
Its like the ongoing race debate in KTL, there aren't many people on the forum who can tell the difference between partisan and prejudice.

Aqueous Moon
07-21-2006, 06:00 PM
"When people are taken out of their depths they lose their heads, no matter how charming a bluff they may put up. " Scott F. Fitzgerald

“One ought not to be thrown into confusion
By a plain statement of relationship....” Robert Frost

"Arguing is only as intelligent as it's purpose" Aqueous Moon

LHX
07-21-2006, 07:36 PM
for clarity:

People with intelligence will use it to fashion things both true and false and will try to push through whatever they want with their clever reasoning. This is injury from intelligence.
Nothing you do will have effect if you do not use truth.

june181972
07-21-2006, 07:49 PM
There are a lot of cats out there who can 'win an argument', and pick apart things that other people say with lawyer tactics.
But these type of debating skills are not often a demonstration of knowledge.

Then what would you classify as knowledge?

When people sit on this forum, or any where else, and debate history
from thousands of years ago, they cannot avoid the subjectivity of their sources.
That goes hand in hand with their own views, opinions and emotions.

Our intellect allows us access to the knowledge of good and evil
and everything in between

I have no problem lableing someone with the ability to use linguistics
and semantics to out fox, or out argue someone
as intelligent

The only thing that demonstrates absolute empirical knowledge is one's
mastery of Mathematics

The fact that we have so many languages shows how easily
words can be twisted

If the purpose is to "win an argument"
the ends justify the means

LHX
07-21-2006, 09:25 PM
Then what would you classify as knowledge?
perhaps thats part of the dilemma
can knowledge be classified?

perhaps not


When people sit on this forum, or any where else, and debate history
from thousands of years ago, they cannot avoid the subjectivity of their sources.
That goes hand in hand with their own views, opinions and emotions.

i agree, and there seems to be value in making that perspective more widely understood

not too many people have come around to that point of view


Our intellect allows us access to the knowledge of good and evil
and everything in between

I have no problem lableing someone with the ability to use linguistics
and semantics to out fox, or out argue someone
as intelligent

intelligent? or skilled in semantics?

there is a difference

people say that a quiz show champion is intelligent, but is the ability to retain information intelligence? or a skill?


The only thing that demonstrates absolute empirical knowledge is one's
mastery of Mathematics

The fact that we have so many languages shows how easily
words can be twisted

If the purpose is to "win an argument"
the ends justify the means
lets be honest here - the only thing that demonstrates how far anybody has come is when they find themselves in a situation where their words will be of no use

everything else seems to be little more than sport



i see what you are saying, but I would add the perspective that some people have an exaggerated sense of importance regarding the arguments they find themselves in

and this trait can prove to be self-destructive

Peace

LHX
07-21-2006, 09:27 PM
i witty coment proves nothing-voltaire

unless people are playing a game where a witty comment wins a prize

june181972
07-21-2006, 09:42 PM
perhaps thats part of the dilemma
can knowledge be classified?

perhaps not


lets be honest here - the only thing that demonstrates how far anybody has come is when they find themselves in a situation where their words will be of no use

everything else seems to be little more than sport



I do not think we can 'demonstrate' knowledge
that would be understanding (more semantics huh)

If you can apply what you know to a situation
and reach, or at least approach
a desired result
that is knowledge (in a psuedo-tangible sense)

but lets not try to hard to correlate 'knowledge' with 'truth' or that which is 'good'

In 2006 knowledge of evil will get you a long way

Peace

LHX
07-21-2006, 09:50 PM
In 2006 knowledge of evil will get you a long way



but not all the way