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supremecharma
08-14-2006, 08:31 AM
i understand that white people treated black people very very badly in the past. but why should us white people have to pay for our ancestors mistakes? all we seem to get is grief on this site and its not like i or my fellow white people today hoarded black people ontp these ships and tortured them. there has to be some forgiveness somewhere.

abasi
08-14-2006, 08:40 AM
well because yes slavery is over for the most part
blacks are still held down and controlled systematically
and thats the fault of the government
most people that have the power to change this is white
thats why we blame whites for everything under the sun

supremecharma
08-14-2006, 08:41 AM
but not every white person belongs to the government?

JASPER
08-14-2006, 08:41 AM
Not all white people have ancestors who participated in slavery. White slavery wasn't uncommon either back in those days.

supremecharma
08-14-2006, 08:45 AM
try telling that to some people on here man.....

Frontal Lobotomy
08-14-2006, 08:47 AM
For sure. There's never any talk of reparations in europe because we've all taken one another as slaves at some point or other. Hell, Egypt took the hebrews as slaves and had them build all their pyramids and other icons. So the roots of slavery don't even begin in europe.
History is full of holes anyway, we're taking another mans (notice that men tell the majority of these stories also) word as fact, when words can be distorted to tell a story with more spin than the proverbial top.

supremecharma
08-14-2006, 08:50 AM
well im glad i aint the only one that feels this way...

Ultimate O. warrior
08-14-2006, 09:52 AM
i understand that white people treated black people very very badly in the past. but why should us white people have to pay for our ancestors mistakes? all we seem to get is grief on this site and its not like i or my fellow white people today hoarded black people ontp these ships and tortured them. there has to be some forgiveness somewhere.

In the past? this is rediclous. 'till this very day you people treat other nations like as if they're you're slaves. Iraq, Afghanistan and other places in the world. you never stopped..your ancestors committed the worst of crimes and you walk right on their steps..look at what happens in Abu Ghuraib+Gunatanamo + Palestine +chechnya and other places.

your infleuence on the poor countries in Africa or Asia. you people 'till today believe in "divide and conquere" look at the civil wars and how did it start? it has to be dued to the "outsiders" that is "YoU". + the agents or the governer that you enstate pro"-your occuptation" claiming those present the people when they dOnT. and all lies and propaganda and accusing others for your crimes. sure after all you have the media and just as you used it during Vietnam War, you're using it today.

i think this sums it all..
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23806

Wamukota X
08-14-2006, 10:01 AM
In the past? this is rediclous. 'till this very day you people treat other nations like as if they're you're slaves. Iraq, Afghanistan and other places in the world. you never stopped..your ancestors committed the worst of crimes and you walk right on their steps..look at what happens in Abu Ghuraib+Gunatanamo + Palestine +chechnya and other places.

your infleuence on the poor countries in Africa or Asia. you people 'till today believe in "divide and conquere" look at the civil wars and how did it start? it has to be dued to the "outsiders" that is "YoU". + the agents or the governer that you enstate pro"-your occuptation" claiming those present the people when they dOnT. and all lies and propaganda and accusing others for your crimes. sure after all you have the media and just as you used it during Vietnam War, you're using it today.

i think this sums it all..
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23806


Your right, Is-rael is killing mostly women and children. Nothing has changed. 400 and more years of nothing but murdrering and raping a people then all of sudden we are supposed to believe that some benevolent white man wants peace. Picture that.

JASPER
08-14-2006, 11:18 AM
In the past? this is rediclous. 'till this very day you people treat other nations like as if they're you're slaves. =

I'm sure every white person on this forum supports the wars...

"you people"

talk about generalizing.

Ultimate O. warrior
08-14-2006, 12:07 PM
i understand that white people treated black people very very badly in the past. but why should us white people have to pay for our ancestors mistakes? all we seem to get is grief on this site and its not like i or my fellow white people today hoarded black people ontp these ships and tortured them. there has to be some forgiveness somewhere.

this^ talks about "today and no longer oppression of the so-called white people" -system or not- so based on his I based my reply...he wrote in general and i replied "in general"...
....this for that

LORD NOSE
08-14-2006, 12:31 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/THEGODOFTHEBIBLE.jpg




Black people are known to be good dancers

can every black person dance ? NO

Black people are known to dominate the game of basketball

Can every black person play good ball ? NO

White people are known to be conquerers and have conquered many lands and peoples all over the globe when no other group of people has done this

are all white people responsible ? NO


Just like all pitbulls will not maul you to death - but you dam shure have to be very careful when dealing with them because you never know.

Ultimate O. warrior
08-14-2006, 01:55 PM
Conquerers ? there is a difference between conquerers and invaders but whatever

not ALL of them responsible but everyone shares responsiblity. not the same amount, but in the sense of the "princebles".
As the corrupt system didn't come from out of space neither those who run it. election after election after election but all the same policy..

LORD NOSE
08-14-2006, 02:03 PM
ok, Invaders who conquered...



One entry found for conquer.
Main Entry: con·quer http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:popWin%28%27/cgi-bin/audio.pl?conque01.wav=conquer%27%29)
Pronunciation: 'kä[ng]-k&r
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): con·quered; con·quer·ing http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:popWin%28%27/cgi-bin/audio.pl?conque02.wav=conquering%27%29) /-k(&-)ri[ng]/
Etymology: Middle English, to acquire, conquer, from Anglo-French conquerre, from Vulgar Latin *conquaerere, alteration of Latin conquirere to search for, collect, from com- + quaerere to ask, search
transitive verb
1 : to gain or acquire by force of arms : SUBJUGATE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/subjugate) <conquer territory>
2 : to overcome by force of arms : VANQUISH (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/vanquish) <conquered the enemy>
3 : to gain mastery over or win by overcoming obstacles or opposition <conquered the mountain>
4 : to overcome by mental or moral power : SURMOUNT (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/surmount) <conquered her fear>
intransitive verb : to be victorious
- con·quer·or http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:popWin%28%27/cgi-bin/audio.pl?conque03.wav=conqueror%27%29) /-k&r-&r/ noun







invade

One entry found for invade.
Main Entry: in·vade http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:popWin%28%27/cgi-bin/audio.pl?invade01.wav=invade%27%29)
Pronunciation: in-'vAd
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): in·vad·ed; in·vad·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin invadere, from in- + vadere to go -- more at WADE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/wade)
1 : to enter for conquest or plunder
2 : to encroach upon : INFRINGE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/infringe)
3 a : to spread over or into as if invading (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/invading) : PERMEATE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/permeate) <doubts invade his mind> b : to affect injuriously and progressively <gangrene invades healthy tissue>
synonym see TRESPASS (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/trespass)
- in·vad·er noun

Ultimate O. warrior
08-14-2006, 02:21 PM
i don't stick to a dictionary to teach me the differences between people and things. I observe'em myself. in my homeland my village everyone knows the manners of conquereors and everyone knows the manners of invaders. as the second, destroy everything including the religion of the people, the culture and the language and they start to spread thier own.







...bless u4 the time u spend checking this /(

LORD NOSE
08-14-2006, 02:32 PM
i say tomato you say tamoto lets call the whole thing off

Ultimate O. warrior
08-14-2006, 03:04 PM
Makes sense, after all you're the "english man" +english is limited
..though when they transelate the word "fatih" to english it turns into "conqueror" which maybe as you say the same as "invader"
however, they transelate "muhtal" into "invader" so therefore i thought they're different -in english-



psss, fatih: one who "opens" land using forces but does not fight anyone does not fight him usually as a fight back.
moohtal: outsider who invades lands and spread desrtuction through destroying the culture, religion and the language of the people

abasi
08-14-2006, 04:02 PM
i know that every white person is in the government
but most people that are in the government are white
so we blacks tend to believe that every white person
have the power to change our condition if they want

The Wizzard
08-14-2006, 04:18 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/THEGODOFTHEBIBLE.jpg




Black people are known to be good dancers

can every black person dance ? NO

Black people are known to dominate the game of basketball

Can every black person play good ball ? NO

White people are known to be conquerers and have conquered many lands and peoples all over the globe when no other group of people has done this

are all white people responsible ? NO


Just like all pitbulls will not maul you to death - but you dam shure have to be very careful when dealing with them because you never know.

Word, but to me everyone is a pitbull, watch you back with everybody cause anybody can fuck you at any minute.

LORD NOSE
08-14-2006, 04:40 PM
Word, but to me everyone is a pitbull, watch you back with everybody cause anybody can fuck you at any minute.



so true

however, i will not get lynched or dragged for miles behind a pick up truck for being black by black people

For just being black though ?

The Wizzard
08-14-2006, 04:53 PM
so true

however, i will not get lynched or dragged for miles behind a pick up truck for being black by black people

For just being black though ?
thats true, no it's like a performer says, you gotta know your audience, you know that you are not gonna get lynched by a black for being black (Unless Unkle Ruckus is having a bad day) but you may get stabbed for your shoes, so like I say you just gotta "know your audience"

JASPER
08-14-2006, 05:29 PM
this^ talks about "today and no longer oppression of the so-called white people" -system or not- so based on his I based my reply...he wrote in general and i replied "in general"...
....this for that
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but in that other post you kept saying 'you people' when referring to white people. Not a lot of people support the wars you mentioned. When you said 'you people' you generalized all white people with the actions of the government. It's like someone saying Americans are idiots because they started a war on Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
The government is mostly white people, but that doesn't mean white people are the government.

Anyway, barely anything of what you said was on topic. This topic is about why black people see us ordinary non-government white people of today as devils when it's our ancestors who should be called devils if anyone.

LORD NOSE
08-14-2006, 07:00 PM
thats true, no it's like a performer says, you gotta know your audience, you know that you are not gonna get lynched by a black for being black (Unless Unkle Ruckus is having a bad day) but you may get stabbed for your shoes, so like I say you just gotta "know your audience"


everyone with feet can have shoes - there is a big difference

Ultimate O. warrior
08-14-2006, 07:03 PM
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but in that other post you kept saying 'you people' when referring to white people. Not a lot of people support the wars you mentioned. When you said 'you people' you generalized all white people with the actions of the government. It's like someone saying Americans are idiots because they started a war on Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
The government is mostly white people, but that doesn't mean white people are the government..
when i said "you people" i meant your government, system and history. the members of the government wasn't but "non-government white people of today" who wanted to become members of the government.
i know they maybe don't present all of u. yet, you're one of the reasons that they're your government=one of the reasons iraq is being invaded etc..

Anyway, barely anything of what you said was on topic. This topic is about why black people see us ordinary non-government white people of today as devils when it's our ancestors who should be called devils if anyone.
IT IS related, when you point at whites as "americans/russians" who doesn't do nothing today to get all the blames or whatever they get.then it becomes so damn related cuz it ain't true that the white "governemt" isn't committing crimes these days.
sudan, iraq etc..civil wars are dued to the American government...maybe not you in parTIcuLAr but the majority of the people voted for those who now committing crimes against humanity in iraq and in Guantanamo sudan and before it in afghanistan..

As for why "non-government white people of today" are called devils..probably because there is a chance that they'll become goverment white people of today and then become the same as this one so this circle will never end...+ the past didn't change that much...and history repeats itself because some don't get the lesson...and some can NOT be NOT racists.

JASPER
08-14-2006, 07:29 PM
when i said "you people" i meant your government, system and history. the members of the government wasn't but "non-government white people of today" who wanted to become members of the government.
i know they maybe don't present all of u. yet, you're one of the reasons that they're your government=one of the reasons iraq is being invaded etc..

IT IS related, when you point at whites as "americans/russians" who doesn't do nothing today to get all the blames or whatever they get.then it becomes so damn related cuz it ain't true that the white "governemt" isn't committing crimes these days.
sudan, iraq etc..civil wars are dued to the American government...maybe not you in parTIcuLAr but the majority of the people voted for those who now committing crimes against humanity in iraq and in Guantanamo sudan and before it in afghanistan..

As for why "non-government white people of today" are called devils..probably because there is a chance that they'll become goverment white people of today and then become the same as this one so this circle will never end...+ the past didn't change that much...and history repeats itself because some don't get the lesson...and some can NOT be NOT racists.Well, I'm not American, so it's not my government who does all harm. And if I were, I could be one of those people who didn't vote Bush. I'd be in the majority by the way, but that's another story

Black people can be politicians too, look at Powell, Rice, Waters, the list goes on. If you don't speak ebonics, wear xxxl Rocawear and get a good education you can actually achieve something. But no one wants to be an uncle tom right...

IrOnMaN
08-14-2006, 08:16 PM
Well, I'm not American, so it's not my government who does all harm. And if I were, I could be one of those people who didn't vote Bush. I'd be in the majority by the way, but that's another story

Black people can be politicians too, look at Powell, Rice, Waters, the list goes on. If you don't speak ebonics, wear xxxl Rocawear and get a good education you can actually achieve something. But no one wants to be an uncle tom right...

Agree. But some African-Americans will look down on the African-Americans that are doing something or trying to do something with their life. It's just ignorance that comes from ignorance.

People should let the past be the past, and leave the drama and all the turmoil in the past and move on. Slavery happen 100's of years ago, people. It's time to move on with our lives.

I'm over it. I'm not a person that's going to bitch about what happen to my ansetors 100's of years ago. No.

Why is it so hard for us to get along with one another? If you let small things like skin color and phenotypes get in the way from you associating with a person from another race origin, you're ignorant as they come. =/

june181972
08-14-2006, 10:23 PM
Well, I'm not American, so it's not my government who does all harm. And if I were, I could be one of those people who didn't vote Bush. I'd be in the majority by the way, but that's another story

Black people can be politicians too, look at Powell, Rice, Waters, the list goes on. If you don't speak ebonics, wear xxxl Rocawear and get a good education you can actually achieve something. But no one wants to be an uncle tom right...

If you're not American, and not black for that matter, why are commenting on the thought process of Black People in the U.S.A.?

Being a politician is far from the best way to change the situation of Black People in the U.S.A. Bush has shown that he will parlay his Executive veto powers into virtual tyranny. A Black politician can't do shit about that.

Who says Black People lable successful Black People as uncle toms? Someone that does speak ebonics, wear xxxl Rocawear, and dropped out of school will respect and have love for a successful Black Person if they know the truth and reality of what it means to be black in the U.S.A. Something you have no knowledge of.

supremecharma
08-15-2006, 01:16 AM
In the past? this is rediclous. 'till this very day you people treat other nations like as if they're you're slaves. Iraq, Afghanistan and other places in the world. you never stopped..your ancestors committed the worst of crimes and you walk right on their steps..look at what happens in Abu Ghuraib+Gunatanamo + Palestine +chechnya and other places.

your infleuence on the poor countries in Africa or Asia. you people 'till today believe in "divide and conquere" look at the civil wars and how did it start? it has to be dued to the "outsiders" that is "YoU". + the agents or the governer that you enstate pro"-your occuptation" claiming those present the people when they dOnT. and all lies and propaganda and accusing others for your crimes. sure after all you have the media and just as you used it during Vietnam War, you're using it today.

i think this sums it all..
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23806



ok in that case i can say that every muslim wants to blow up planes. ok. thank you. i mean what a foolish thing for you to say. like a later poster said - talk about generalizing. not every white person wants this. :frusty:

supremecharma
08-15-2006, 03:28 AM
"you people treat like youre slaves" - no. thats out government. if it was up to us as a nation that would not happen. but you are to narrow minded to see that.

Ultimate O. warrior
08-15-2006, 07:02 AM
ok in that case i can say that every muslim wants to blow up planes. ok. thank you. i mean what a foolish thing for you to say. like a later poster said - talk about generalizing. not every white person wants this. :frusty:

haha..as a re-action to what they're getting..yeah you probably can say that...-it ain't true tho- but you don't expect a man who his son or daughter were burned -as happenes in iraq- to play nicely with his enemy and not to want to see that dog in pieces..

Ultimate O. warrior
08-15-2006, 07:04 AM
"you people treat like youre slaves" - no. thats out government. if it was up to us as a nation that would not happen. but you are to narrow minded to see that.


yeah i understand that this is your government, BUT aren't the members of the government people of you-could be your brothers,sons" and the same is for the soldiers..they weren't german or aliens..

that's my point..or do you expect me to wait till the day that countries like America/Russia are ruled by its whole nations instead of people of the nation that 'should' present the whole nation in other words 'government'.

will that ever gonna happen? not in this life..this is not narrow-mindeness but it's logic. no nation -i don't know how million that is- rule as a nation but as few of those who should present them.

look, i know there's the so-called good "of you" but those gotta find their way in to the government..you know what im saying?

Wamukota X
08-15-2006, 08:14 AM
People should let the past be the past, and leave the drama and all the turmoil in the past and move on. Slavery happen 100's of years ago, people. It's time to move on with our lives.

I'm over it. I'm not a person that's going to bitch about what happen to my ansetors 100's of years ago. No.

. =/


History is important, especially Black History since its been covered up for so long. If your Medical Profession ignored your medical history you would get the wrong diagnosis and most likely the wrong medication and the result most likely would be tragic. History is always relavent. But according to your way of thinking Doctors should just say screw History, your medical history, your family medical history and take two of these and call him if you wake up in the morning.

supremecharma
08-15-2006, 09:06 AM
look, i know there's the so-called good "of you" but those gotta find their way in to the government..you know what im saying?

are you joking!!!

that will never happen because the bad people in the government will see to this??!!!!!

but we will try and keep on trying.

its a nice thought though.....!

supremecharma
08-15-2006, 09:09 AM
History is important

yes it is.

but you cannot live in the past forever. this is the present.

JASPER
08-15-2006, 09:14 AM
If you're not American, and not black for that matter, why are commenting on the thought process of Black People in the U.S.A.?

Being a politician is far from the best way to change the situation of Black People in the U.S.A. Bush has shown that he will parlay his Executive veto powers into virtual tyranny. A Black politician can't do shit about that.

Who says Black People lable successful Black People as uncle toms? Someone that does speak ebonics, wear xxxl Rocawear, and dropped out of school will respect and have love for a successful Black Person if they know the truth and reality of what it means to be black in the U.S.A. Something you have no knowledge of.I have black American friends who tell me this and I've heard it before.

"Bush has shown that he will parlay his Executive veto powers into virtual tyranny"

You got proof of this, like say a source that's not hosted on a angelfire/tripod page?

MathMatician
08-15-2006, 10:50 AM
I was pretty tipsy eary Friday evening talking about this with my friend and old man. Why did i care, I don't know LOL

Wamukota X
08-15-2006, 11:22 AM
yes it is.

but you cannot live in the past forever. this is the present.


No one lives in the past, alone. We are all 3-Dimensional beings....nevermind i'm wasting my time with you. Your Pre-programmed mind won't allow you to access "foreign" knowledge.

june181972
08-15-2006, 05:21 PM
I have black American friends who tell me this and I've heard it before.
You have Black american friends? Are they aware of some of the stuff you post in here? If they do, then they themselves are uncle toms for simply being your "friend".

"Bush has shown that he will parlay his Executive veto powers into virtual tyranny"

You got proof of this, like say a source that's not hosted on a angelfire/tripod page?

Thank u 4 challenging my assertion. It forced me to brush up on my gov't and politics. George W. Bush has actually done less vetoing than any of the other 42 Presidents.

However, what he does do is ignore Constitutional protocol. Such protocol is supposed to make the 3 branches of U.S. gov't check and balance one another. If ignored by the President, then the President's actions begin to resemble that of a King. The U.S.A. is supposed to be a democracy.

The Washington Post (major U.S. newspaper)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/22/AR2005122202119.html

The Boston Globe (major U.S. newspaper)
www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws

JASPER
08-15-2006, 05:37 PM
You have Black american friends? Are they aware of some of the stuff you post in here? If they do, then they themselves are uncle toms for simply being your "friend".



Thank u 4 challenging my assertion. It forced me to brush up on my gov't and politics. George W. Bush has actually done less vetoing than any of the other 42 Presidents.

However, what he does do is ignore Constitutional protocol. Such protocol is supposed to make the 3 branches of U.S. gov't check and balance one another. If ignored by the President, then the President's actions begin to resemble that of a King. The U.S.A. is supposed to be a democracy.

The Washington Post (major U.S. newspaper)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/22/AR2005122202119.html

The Boston Globe (major U.S. newspaper)
www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws)

My friends don't care about it, that's why they're friends. They can take a joke and know me better. They're not on some kill whitey shit, well not seriously, I hope. Haha. That doesn't make them Uncle Toms.

All the policitics stuff could be true and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here cause I forgot what we were talking about and frankly I don't really give a shit anymore. But good you looked into that.

Peace.

Prolifical ENG
08-15-2006, 05:51 PM
What do you mean pay for those mistakes? What does it cost white people?

Forgiveness? If black people haven't begun to forgive, they all wouldn't be talking to white people.

JASPER
08-15-2006, 05:58 PM
..all we seem to get is grief on this site..Off this site too.

LHX
08-15-2006, 07:46 PM
Off this site too.

true

supremecharma
08-16-2006, 01:21 AM
No one lives in the past, alone. We are all 3-Dimensional beings....nevermind i'm wasting my time with you. Your Pre-programmed mind won't allow you to access "foreign" knowledge.


you are straight trippin. you know nothing about me. who i am. where i am from. nothing. pre-programmed mind? :(W whatever wam....

IrOnMaN
08-16-2006, 05:07 PM
What do you mean pay for those mistakes? What does it cost white people?

Forgiveness? If black people haven't begun to forgive, they all wouldn't be talking to white people.


The Arabs were forgiven for the War in Iraq and 9/11, and the Jews were forgiven for the holocast that happen in WWII, and they were disburse with money (like they are today). What about African-Americans? Our ansters were slaves for many of years and that faced MAJOR race discrimination? We weren't forgiven for slavery and many years of race discrimination. No, we weren't. We weren't promise our "40 arces and a Mule" like they said. We never received shit from them. Forgiveness? It's bullshit!

Like I said before, it's all about stereotypes and phenotypes. THAT'S WHAT AMERICA IS MAINLY BASED ON!!

Wamukota X
08-17-2006, 03:40 PM
you are straight trippin. you know nothing about me. who i am. where i am from. nothing. pre-programmed mind? :(W whatever wam....



Typical Clone answer. Stop tryin' to act Human, your Clonal nature will not allow it.