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12weLvE
09-11-2006, 11:24 PM
^^ I agree

javablaze
09-12-2006, 03:34 PM
i think some people hold Rza to a rediculous standard that no other producer it held to.

Rza and math did their thing and havoc came with a jewel.

Can't really blame people for doing so. RZA set that standard upon himself after making some of the best hip hop records early on. So, naturally, people will assume he really is that great, and become disappointed when he slips.

javablaze
09-12-2006, 03:49 PM
I'm lying to myself? You don't think Beneath The surface is good? You're one of those No Rza it's wack guys.

Beneath the Surface was great. GZA's second best effort, in my opinion. But there's something to be said about a whole RZA album... They're usually a step above, and have a great cohesive feeling that is sometimes missing when putting too many producers on the same record.

Though I don't feel this applies exclusively to RZA. The Wu-Tang family has one of the best team of producers anywhere (True Master, 4th Disciple, Mathematics). Each of these guys can make an amazing and cohesive record all by themselves, but mixing-and-matching the Wu Elements works well, too, because they keep to the family aesthetic.

What disappoints me is why Method Man (or any other member) searches the ends of the earth for hackjob producers when they have the goldmine right in front of them. Sure, Ghost getting Doom or Dilla to do some tracks makes sense, but Scott Storch?! You talk shit about the mainstream, but then call it's ambassador to produce a track?

I can only imagine what "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" would have been if it were given to Meth.

THE W
09-12-2006, 04:10 PM
Can't really blame people for doing so. RZA set that standard upon himself after making some of the best hip hop records early on. So, naturally, people will assume he really is that great, and become disappointed when he slips.
but there's no in between with some of these guys. either its cuban linx/liquid swords or its crap.

a banger can be a banger without being the greatest shit ever.

knight
09-12-2006, 04:21 PM
I think I am the only one who likes "4 ever" - nice chill beat! Good song to go to bed:D

racist randy
09-12-2006, 09:17 PM
Yeah Imagine U-God and Meth on those beats on SWFQW.

rubyspirit
09-12-2006, 10:34 PM
i think some people hold Rza to a rediculous standard that no other producer it held to.
He is that good.

Havoc's beat was just OK.

I've learn my lesson. Today I spent a couple of hours picking my 12 top RZA songs, and he is a gem. DOPE PRODUCER 9:|6 .

Dante
09-13-2006, 09:19 AM
I still say Havoc had the best beat on 421, shit was grimy

Dante
09-13-2006, 09:53 AM
After listening to 421 again, im gonna have to say the 421 Intro is not only the best track on this album, but the best Wu track in years, possibly even the best Wu track of this millenium so far, shit is fucking insane, Meth was on some other shit for real. Vintage Meth right there

rubyspirit
09-13-2006, 03:28 PM
I still say Havoc had the best beat on 421, shit was grimy

The only thing with Havoc, there's no scratching. DJ scratching is the essence of hip hop. On 4:21 only RZA gives us the pure dope. Top it off with Meth's vocals....ahhhhh. I'm so high. Have been for weeks.

Konichiwa B*tches is hot to def!

ShaDynasty
09-13-2006, 03:34 PM
The only thing with Havoc, there's no scratching. DJ scratching is the essence of hip hop. On 4:21 only RZA gives us the pure dope. Top it off with Meth's vocals....ahhhhh. I'm so high. Have been for weeks.

Konichiwa B*tches is hot to def!

yup, RZA makes all the other tracks seem like an exercise in futitlity
havocs beat wasnt bad, but hes definetly fell into a more distinct pattern when it comes to his production, his heyday was like 10 years back. on the evidence of rzas 4 beats, ill be really anticipating a whole album produced by him, in whatever form that may (or most likely not) come in

Dante
09-14-2006, 11:25 AM
I still don't see what so great about the RZA beats on this album, but i respect your opinions

Rezyrector
09-15-2006, 03:43 PM
"Say" - tha best song!!

CHRONZ
09-15-2006, 04:57 PM
Everything (Feat. Inspectah Deck & Streetlife)
Straight up fire man ! DAMN

benzo
09-15-2006, 05:00 PM
RZA doesn't scratch on those records, man! Trust me, he 's got a DJ to lay shit down. Highlights were:
-Intro
-Somebody Done Fucked Up (best beat)
-4:20 (2nd best beat)
-Preseidential Emcee
-Everything (Mathmatics killed it)

anybody else been smokin more blunts here lately?

THE W
09-15-2006, 05:06 PM
how do you know he doesnt do the scratching?

benzo
09-15-2006, 05:18 PM
You ever see RZA scratch? Super basic shit. You'll never see him transforming, crabbing, etc. It's pretty commonly known that many producers use actual DJs for their shit. Of course, someone like Premo would be an exception. Dre doesn't scratch, Kayne, etc. Maybe more like 50/50 but alot of these dudes are producers first, then (maybe) DJs second. Peace-

and if you have proof otherwise, i'll gladly stand corrected.

THE W
09-15-2006, 05:41 PM
Rza talked about being a DJ way back in the day and how he would go to DJ battles. its in the issue of scratch magazine with Rza on the cover with the cuban linx 2 article. he won some, he lost some but he definately has scratching skills though he doesnt do it a lot.

there's a video of Rza going back and forth with allah math on the 1s and 2s on rap city the basement. he can certainly do it. theres also a video of him with ugod on teen summit where he's in the back on the boards.

here's the rap city video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoLceXSzY6U

benzo
09-15-2006, 06:33 PM
^yeah, i've seen that. that's real basic shit. i'm not saying dude can't cut, or even that he didn't record his cuts on 4:21, but he's far from a gifted DJ. i've never seem him do anything as far as fader techniques that's impressive. spinning two marked records back 2 seconds while cutting the fader on and off is like....the first shit you learn when you're cutting up. Whatever though, the scratches sound good on the album and whether RZA or someone did em, it was probably still RZA's call on what would get used. Peace Dynamite-

THE W
09-15-2006, 06:46 PM
nah he's not a DJ specialist(on premier's level) but he can get the job done.

you think the scratches on 421 were advanced?

ShaDynasty
09-15-2006, 07:55 PM
nah he's not a DJ specialist(on premier's level) but he can get the job done.

you think the scratches on 421 were advanced?

they were dope
not quite on premo level, where there like super catchy scratches that are basically instruments on a song, but y'know rza can scatch
like meth said sumthin on enter the wu 'he th sharpest with the rhymes, with the beats...and he DJ' or he said sumthin like that

deadlymelody
09-15-2006, 10:23 PM
RZA isn't a real scratch happy producer, but he is an absolute genius at crafting samples. Premo is a scratch master, hell half of Gangstarr songs the hook is a scratch.

Alcryt
09-17-2006, 06:45 AM
Just copped this cd just now and its soundin ill as fuck, Meths definitely showed everyone that hes still the shit ^O^

benzo
09-18-2006, 12:59 PM
nah he's not a DJ specialist(on premier's level) but he can get the job done.

you think the scratches on 421 were advanced?

The Fuck??? OBVIOUSLY QBert did those cuts! Just fuckin around..

Nah, went back this weekend, smoked about 1800 blunts while listening to 4:21 and my opinion has changed. The scratching really is pretty simple stuff on the album. That's not bad at all, but you and ruby are probably right. The fact is that when I REALLY listened to the scratches they did seem done by RZA. Just simple, in the pocket-type shit. Fits the album good... Peace ya'll-

100pr00f
09-18-2006, 01:15 PM
still banging this joint

cd is notbad...

UNCLE RUCKUS
09-18-2006, 07:51 PM
Great album; the Rza tracks are the best; "the Glide" is outstanding. The tracks with Dirty and Red are also real good. I like every song

famenchuan
09-18-2006, 09:58 PM
I like every track except Ya meen, Got to have it, 4 ever.
Let's Ride is dope to me though.

dat MF
09-19-2006, 06:02 AM
Meth is the greatest.

CamelMann
09-21-2006, 02:06 AM
Yeah, sick album, hundred times better than Tical 0 but still with some throwaway tracks:
problem
somebody done fucked up now
either 4 eva or let's ride
got to have it

but the album shines with these:
everything
the glide
walk on
fall out
4:20
dirty mef
presidential MC

so-so:
ya mean
konitichiwa bitches

the easy listens:
say
is it me


8/10

Lil' Ruger
09-21-2006, 03:13 AM
what u mean somebody done fucked up now that was ill to me w8 lemme listen to it again

benzo
09-21-2006, 12:08 PM
CamelMann - guess you're not a Mobb Deep fan, huh? Havoc murdered that beat. I'd say that one and 4:20 slay the rest of the album combined.

Jeru
09-21-2006, 12:14 PM
I dunno what people like so much about 4:20.The beat doesn't thrill me but Meth, CF and Street kill it tho'.

THE W
09-21-2006, 02:05 PM
i didnt like the beat for 420 the first time i heard it. then i heard it the second time and really liked it. not a classic Rza beat but an ill one nonetheless.

benzo
09-21-2006, 05:22 PM
I dunno what people like so much about 4:20.The beat doesn't thrill me but Meth, CF and Street kill it tho'.

You got subwoofers? For real, if your shit isn't bangin you're mising like half the song. It's like that super-low bass from Tical's "Biscuits"...but better. Maybe you weren't high enough lol? j/k PEACE-

deadlymelody
09-21-2006, 09:14 PM
I dont really feel 4:20 or The Glide all that much. I expect better drums on RZA's part. Drums on those tracks are weak. His other beats put in were well done.

Jeru
09-22-2006, 12:24 AM
You got subwoofers? For real, if your shit isn't bangin you're mising like half the song. It's like that super-low bass from Tical's "Biscuits"...but better. Maybe you weren't high enough lol? j/k PEACE-

My speakers are bangin man :yes: LOL.

CamelMann
09-22-2006, 04:02 AM
CamelMann - guess you're not a Mobb Deep fan, huh? Havoc murdered that beat. I'd say that one and 4:20 slay the rest of the album combined.

Actually I liked Mobb Deep until they joined G-g-generic unit...
Havoc is a sick producer, but the sample here just doesnt sound right to me.

What i dont understand is how anyone can't like The Glide!
I'd love to hear that track on a crazy system.

C-M

grimey
09-22-2006, 06:35 PM
this new meth is a banger.........

drippie k
09-30-2006, 08:07 AM
Intro- 9.5/10
Is It Me - 9.5/10
Problem - 9/10
Somebody Done Fucked Up - 8.5/10 (the beat kinda annoys me, but he spits fire)
Skit
Fall Out - 7.5/10 (a club track that i will never expect to hear in the club)
Dirty Mef - 9/10 (hahaha, i love ODB, RIP)
4:20 - 9.8/10 (the song kinda seems to go on forever, but its all good)
Let's Ride - 7.5 (it aint that bad, but def. not the best on the cd)
The Glide - 9/10
Skit
Got to Have It - 7/10 (sounds like somn offa the prequal...its just ok)
Say - 9.5/10 (i like the beat, the message n all that shit, but i think the tracklist on the cd shoulda been Say ft. Lauryn Hill)
Ya Meen - 8.5/10 (not that bad, the beats pretty tight and Joe Crack spit somn nice this time)
Konichiwa Bitches - 8/10 (i don't like the title and it sounds weird to me when he says it...)
Everything - 9/10
Walk On - 9/10 (just wish it was a little longer, awesome beat)
Skit
Presidential MC - 10/10 (prolly my fav. track on the whole thing, i love the beat, the samples, the chorus and all three verses)
4 Ever - 7.5/10 (a chick track..i dont mind it, but...i dunno, it sounds weird hearing this after such a hard track like Presidential MC...my girl likes this song, so its all good)

Beggaz
09-30-2006, 06:05 PM
listened to it once... no need to ever hear it again. lyrics are terribly lame and sound all the other poseurs talking about themselves , i don't wanna hear mic bravado, i wanna hear fucked up abstract shit.

and the beats are decent but are so clean and simple. too boring and has no replay value. disapointed. severly.

tekunique
10-04-2006, 09:23 PM
the INTRO is the illest intro ive ever heard... one of the best verse/track on the album IMO.

PolitiC
10-09-2006, 08:19 AM
i voted classic even tho i dont mean hip hop classic.its already shaping to become a personal classic everybody around my way are bumping this shit everybodys talking about this album..last time something like this happened was when the w dropped and i remember most of the ppl being disappointed with it

imo an album cant be classic no matter how good it is if u dont have any special memories of it

Dante
10-09-2006, 08:28 AM
i don't wanna hear mic bravado, i wanna hear fucked up abstract shit.

.

then i don't think Method Man is for you.

BrahminShaolin
10-26-2006, 08:14 PM
This might have already been said in this thread but....

I like how mef mentions "wu-tang" in almost every song.

Ya_Bane
10-27-2006, 04:57 AM
This might have already been said in this thread but....

I like how mef mentions "wu-tang" in almost every song.

Word, Meff is Wu-Tang Forever.

Tonza
10-27-2006, 01:19 PM
Banger!!

maSta-s
11-01-2006, 04:50 PM
This album... Well, I expected more... But such trax as Is It Me and Fall Out, and also the fact, that it's Meth's album compensate EVERYTHING!!!

PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT
11-01-2006, 09:19 PM
i don't wanna hear mic bravado, i wanna hear fucked up abstract shit.

why did you pick up a meth cd then? or pick up any rap album at all?

famenchuan
11-03-2006, 10:01 PM
Not comparing it to meth's previous work.

Intro- 5/5
Is it me- 5/5
Problem- 4.5/5
Somebody done fucked up- 5/5
Fallout- 4/5 ain't going to give it a bad rating just because its for the club, I like that shit
Dirty Mef- 5/5
420- 5/5
Let's Ride- 4/5 actually like this
The glide- 5/5
Got to have it- 2/5 skip this every time, just not feeling it
say- 4.5/5 nice chill track
ya meen- 3.5/5 fat joe and styled ruins it for me, still pretty good though
konichiwa bithces- 5/5 love this track
everthing- 4.5/5
walk on- 5/5 love hearing red under a grimey beat
presidential mc- 5/5
4 ever- 2/5 not feeling this

really happy with this album
meth gives us a bunch of grimey track and the tracks with the more alternative beats are ill too.

Lil' Ruger
11-03-2006, 10:08 PM
Not comparing it to meth's previous work.

Intro- 5/5
Is it me- 5/5
Problem- 4.5/5
Somebody done fucked up- 5/5
Fallout- 4/5 ain't going to give it a bad rating just because its for the club, I like that shit
Dirty Mef- 5/5
420- 5/5
Let's Ride- 4/5 actually like this
The glide- 5/5
Got to have it- 2/5 skip this every time, just not feeling it
say- 4.5/5 nice chill track
ya meen- 3.5/5 fat joe and styled ruins it for me, still pretty good though
konichiwa bithces- 5/5 love this track
everthing- 4.5/5
walk on- 5/5 love hearing red under a grimey beat
presidential mc- 5/5
4 ever- 2/5 not feeling this

really happy with this album
meth gives us a bunch of grimey track and the tracks with the more alternative beats are ill too.




this is basically my review that is also what i thought.

RZArector_mnt
11-05-2006, 03:07 AM
4:21 is good album, but Tical and Tical 2000 are a perfect for me!!!

Mexicano
11-05-2006, 04:48 AM
am i the only one who noticed that it's u-god on glide? he's not mentioned in the features or credits.

Jeru
11-05-2006, 05:38 AM
am i the only one who noticed that it's u-god on glide? he's not mentioned in the features or credits.

You're the only who hasn't noticed untill now LOL.

spanishmoss
11-07-2006, 02:06 AM
After listening to the album for the last few days, I think it's pretty solid.

Am I one of the only people who think that Scott Storch beat is fuckin' garbage as hell??!? Meth comes correct, but damn. After Intro (DOPE!!!), I was expecting some heat. But instead, I got a fat pile of dog shit. God damnit I hate Scott Storch. Autistic lookin' bastard...

The Glide, Presidential MC, Intro, 4:20, Everything, and Dirty Mef are bangers, no doubt.

There are some other good cuts and some 'meh' joints, but that Scott Storch crap and 4 Ever are definitely the whackest songs on the album.

I'm happy with the album overall, it's just a shame I gotta utilize the skip button already on the 2nd track!

Props to everyone else that gave an honest review!

Wu-Tang, Wu-Tang!!!

crass
11-25-2006, 02:49 PM
i take my vote for "Average" back. this LP is a banger. favorite tracks are "problem," "fallout," and "presidential MC." some great commercial tracks on here.

Jeru
11-25-2006, 04:06 PM
I keep bumpin it.Best wu-effort since NSD IMO ( IN MY OPINION just for all you people who will start shittin cuz it doesn't match their opinions )

whipsandfullclips
11-27-2006, 02:03 AM
average cd, superioroty of rza produced songs on 421 show why the first wu albums are far more dope

crass
11-28-2006, 04:55 PM
the "pimpin" skit is the most retarded thing on any wu-tang album. meth sounds like a flaming homosexual. "drop the attitude and pick up a purpose bitch"

Kanha
11-28-2006, 05:47 PM
Intro- 5/5 - Perfect intro! Love it!
Is it me- 3/5 - this ain't wack, ain't "wow" either..
Problem- 3/5 - it's aight, but gets kinda boring..
Somebody done fucked up- 2.5/5 - this is too monotone, liked it at first, but it gets annoying, especially the beat..
Fallout- 4/5 - Much better! Meth rippin the mic over a hot club beat.. fire!
Dirty Mef- 3.5/5 - well, I expected much more when I heard this was going to be a Mathematics/E Sermon beat, the lyrics, the chemistry between ODB and Meth are GREAT! I like how they ride on this beat, the song grows on you!
4;20 - 2.5/5 - Oh my God, don't like this at all, expectations can be a bitch sometimes. The beat is simple, and it gets boring. My opinion is,
it takes too long time untill Streetlife and C.Fisk jumps in..
Let's Ride - 3/5 - well, this could be a singel of the album, it's catchy too, I feel like Meth could do better!
The glide- 4/5 - Damn! Raekwon surprises me in this one! La the darkman is nice on the hook. Meth shines too. U-God is aight. Love the "skrilla" version of this beat more :)
Got to have it- 2.5/5 - like the beat, it's nice, but what the fuck? Meth is on some BULLSHIT on this... dissappointed..
Say - 5/5 - This is a very strong track! And it was a big mistake that they never made a video for this one. Always felt that this song would be a lift for Meth's carrier... it's a shame!
Ya meen - 3.5/5 - I like this, heavy beat, little too monotone, Meth is nice, and Fat Joe surprises me, but styles P's verse was garbage..
Konichiwa bitches- 3/5 - Flat song, but somehow, I can't give it a 2..
Everthing - 4.5/5 - YEAH! this song is MAD HOT! Meth verse is fire, but INS dissappoints me... I love that Streetlife verse! love the chorus too, and the beat is a classic!
Walk on - 2.5/5 once again, dissappointed. The beat is too slow, and I heard other beats that used same sample, and they were much better. Meth & Red are aight.. but nothing more
Presidental MC 4/5 -wow,this sounds like a tical 2000 song :) love meth, he flows nice on this. Raekwon was aight. RZA, dissappointed me. Heavy ass beat, nice hook.
4ever - 2/5 - horrible track, haha, well, don't like this at all..

Kanha
11-28-2006, 05:50 PM
however, this album is good! much better than Tical 0.
But don't forget Tical 0 had "what's happening" and "the show".
I give this, a strong 3, outta 5. too many average songs.
Meth needs Ghost as A&R =P

but I don't regret that I bought this album at all.

Mili
12-01-2006, 12:26 PM
This album has grown on me tremendoulsy! Fischale wansnt in my cdplayer 1/3 as long. Meth's on point.

duotone
12-08-2006, 12:55 PM
4:20 is ok! but it never can mess with tical or tical2000.

there are to less rza productions and too much influence of fuckin' def jam on it...

what the fuck is goin' on??

who needs that wack shit r'n'b tracks??? or the clubtrack like fallout or ya'meen? 0/5 (i skip it every time)

the only one track, that shows the wu style is presidential mc and everything.... 5/5

rest is just a 3/5

in 2006, the best wu releas was bronze nazareth's great migration... then MK-MIB....

i miss rza productions. we need a reunionalbum...!

Dante
12-09-2006, 12:56 AM
^ How could you not feel the Intro??? That shit was bananas

duotone
12-09-2006, 04:17 AM
oh sorry i forgot !

the intro is god damn good...! 5/5

the best intro of mef....

supNow
12-11-2006, 06:34 PM
about time Meth!

Kong
12-12-2006, 06:09 AM
average

THE W
12-12-2006, 11:47 AM
the "pimpin" skit is the most retarded thing on any wu-tang album. meth sounds like a flaming homosexual. "drop the attitude and pick up a purpose bitch"
maybe the most out of place skit on any wu album. why was it even there right before you go into the mad grimey presidential MC which had nothing to do with pimping or chics at all?

rubyspirit
12-12-2006, 02:51 PM
maybe the most out of place skit on any wu album. why was it even there right before you go into the mad grimey presidential MC which had nothing to do with pimping or chics at all?

Presidential MC started with "That's shadowboxin''".

Method wants "his bitch" (the CD), to go out and make money because Delicious (insert rap dude here) is out there makin' all the money. He then tells the observers of rap that no matter what your game, he is the Presidential MC. "Meth is on his job."..."Don't let them boys confuse you."

Rae tells their legacy outshines most dudes and warns how big the hive is..."..there's 20 more of us."

RZA talks about ... well, you know the Abbott.

Awesome skit...

crass
12-16-2006, 09:40 PM
stupidest skit ever

bass31
12-17-2006, 11:11 AM
the glide should be a 300/5 jsut because of u-god's 7 bar verse

"you punk motherfucker, your ribs is frail
i been eatin' calamari gettin' big in jail"

great track

album overall 4/5

andy_gza
01-05-2007, 08:11 PM
Let my girlfriend get me this one for christmas, so I have only been listening to it since then:

As one of the few appreciators of the prequel, I couldn't really lose with this new album, I love meth on a grimy cd (Tical) and also on a commercial type cd (The prequel), this new album is basically a mix of both types. and as a result, may actually be the best overall method man solo LP in an all round sense.

The good thing about meth is, even when a particular beat is lacking, his voice makes the track easy to listen to e.g the track "fall out", I thought I would hate that one as soon as the beat started, but found myself looking forward to the lyrics on later plays.
Nyway, I didn't want to write a huge article, so my rating is approx an 8/10.
Stand out tracks: Is it me, The problem, The glide, got to have it, say, Presidential MC.
Wack tracks: Ya' meen (this track isn't even that wack, just the worst on the album to me right now).

444trumpets
01-13-2007, 02:52 PM
Pretty Coo Album Got 3 Cuts I BoMP In The Ride Right Now

MX1
01-20-2007, 06:01 PM
it's a tight album, but some of the tracks were a bit..def jammed yuh know, a bit mainstream, but alot of classic wu influence

hide1998
03-10-2007, 09:58 PM
Just for those who don't know, that OD track is on the Japan release version of the album. I'm glad that's the one I copped.

Dante
03-11-2007, 12:42 AM
Just for those who don't know, that OD track is on the Japan release version of the album. I'm glad that's the one I copped.


Wanna up that for us who haven't heard it ??

Dante
03-11-2007, 11:24 AM
Anyone??

CharlesJones
05-03-2007, 03:53 PM
Here we go again. Another wack album from Method Man. I didn't like this album at all because of the wack beats. Method Man is too grimey of a lyricist to be rhyming over wack beats. He needs to leave Def Jam because i'm sure Def Jam is forcing him to water down his music. Why are these bitch ass record labels afraid of grimey hardcore music? Even Raekwon said in a recent interview that Method Man is terrible at picking good beats.

UNCLE RUCKUS
05-03-2007, 03:56 PM
its not whack though, just not Tical 3

CharlesJones
05-03-2007, 03:58 PM
This album is wack and Tical 0 The Prequel is wack too. Method Man should stop making albums unless he's gonna have hardcore beats on his albums from now on like his first album.

UNCLE RUCKUS
05-03-2007, 04:01 PM
You thought all the tracks were wack? I only disliked 2 songs 4ever and the one with Ginuwine was weak but Presidential Mc, 420, the Intro, Walk On, Dirty Mef were all very good tracks much better than Tical 0

CharlesJones
05-03-2007, 04:09 PM
I didn't like any of the songs because of the wack beats. I still like Method Man's lyrics but the beats on this album were terrible. I wish rappers would stick to the hardcore beats like back in the day. Why do rappers always gotta change their shit? Stick to the damn formula that made you successful in the beginning. The reason why Wu Tang were so successful when they started out was because their beats were grimey and hard. Now their beats suck.

UNCLE RUCKUS
05-03-2007, 04:12 PM
I partly agree but not all those beats were wack at all 3-4 maybe
Lex Diamond Story was a bigger offender

CharlesJones
05-03-2007, 04:25 PM
You thought Lex Diamond Story album sucked? I liked that album a little. It was disappointing compared to his first classic album. Immobilarity was disappointing also.

UNCLE RUCKUS
05-03-2007, 04:27 PM
I liked the rhymes but those beats were mostly weak after awhile. Pit Bull Fights and a few others were still dope though I always liked Immobilarity and still listen to it except the last tracks

duotone
05-03-2007, 04:49 PM
i might say that there was nothing very good from the clan (neither as the group nor as soloartist) since WU TANG FOREVER... when u want the real oldschool rugged style u have to go more into the wu... somthin' like shabazz, hell razah, som, bronze nazareth etc.... they really do representin the style of the base.... simpl, lyricly perfect, raw, rugged and so on.... thats the reason why i love the wu.... and when they wont go back to the roots, they wont become a legend....

i hope u know what i mean.... sorry 4 my bad englisch... im just a german :(

Jin10304
05-03-2007, 08:13 PM
Since Forever??? SC, Grandmasters, No Said Date, etc....

Leo Angel
05-04-2007, 02:29 AM
Since Forever??? SC, Grandmasters, No Said Date, etc....

... The Swarm, Bobby Digital In Stereo, The Pillage, Tical 2000, Heavy Mental, Beneath The Surface, Uncontrolled Substance... to name some classic or at least bangin Wu albums since Forever:frusty:

duotone
05-04-2007, 04:21 AM
yeah, there are a few.... they are really classic (pillage, no said date, made in brooklyn (mk is one of few how brought classic stuff at least)...)
but the latest albums from method man were BAD (prequel and 4:21)
and the three last ghostalbum were bad too.... not very classic stuff like supreme clientel or iron man....
ok, there were a few good tracks.... but just banga.... and i like classic stuff like wu tang forever.... all 25 tracks are on top.... or enter the wu tang.... i still listn to this shit.... and i listn to it for about 8 years....

one last question.... did u feel "iron flagg" or "The W" ????
i didnt...
or did u feel 4:21.... prequel.... fishscale.... more fish.... pretty toney.... ???
i did not....!

what i feel is "Holocaust" "fear love and war" "heavy mental" "the great migration" "MIB" "NSD" "TICAL" "TICAL 2000" "IRON MAN" "SUPREME CLIENTEL" "AFRO SAMURAI" "RENISSANCE CHILD" ... and many more.... but not this commercial shit like 4:21 prequel and so on....

check out this video.... what meth said.... that what i want
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvkTAzBZZSk&mode=related&search=


peace

bad boy T
07-10-2007, 10:04 AM
The beat to the intro is sick man I love that shit
On the Is It Me he copys a track from the games documentry Album
Overall I'll give the album 85/100

fortyglock
07-12-2007, 07:10 PM
Was a cool album,but if he left out the love tracks, as well as the k1 tracks(except maybe fall out), this album wud be a very strong, 11-13 track album

2L8Lit da croatianMC
07-12-2007, 10:48 PM
who produced the intro?


I dont know, but it sure sound like a RZA beat...
Anyway I just started listening the album... I heard 2 tracks 4 now.. pretty good...

Suga Duga
07-14-2007, 04:46 PM
I was very disappointed by this album as I listened to it for the first time....well nothing changed, Presidential MC stands out as an ill track, that's it pretty much

iammzac
07-24-2007, 12:26 PM
When I first listened to 4:21.. The Day After, I wasn't really feeling it too much - It's been about a month or two since I've given it a listen and I like it a lot more now.. I think it grew on me or something. Just wanted to post that.. I like the CD a lot more now.

SilentKiller_Bee
07-24-2007, 12:46 PM
I agree dammit. I was listening it last week, it's a really good album

unfortunely there's that asshole Kwame/K1 that takes the album's level down
but besides that 2 tracks, I love 4:21.

Longbongcilvaringz
07-24-2007, 12:52 PM
yeah, its not bad.

TGambino
07-24-2007, 12:54 PM
yea its a dope album

Come Honor Face
07-24-2007, 12:56 PM
Hot! Lyrics 9/10 Beats 8/10 Overall 8.5/10

Favorite track - Presidential M.C.

Tha intro is also fuckin fire!!!

Jeru
07-24-2007, 01:01 PM
I appreciated this album from the time I bought it.It's a really good album...one of the best wu solos in the 2000 era

ShaolinDarts
07-24-2007, 01:17 PM
Hot! Lyrics 9/10 Beats 8/10 Overall 8.5/10

Favorite track - Presidential M.C.

Tha intro is also fuckin fire!!!

Thats only slightly better ratings than you gave cappa for his sophmore album :lmao:

Come Honor Face
07-24-2007, 01:18 PM
And?

tragedykhadafi12
07-24-2007, 01:23 PM
this is a really hot album, I liked it first time I heard it and still love it.

Suga Duga
07-24-2007, 01:24 PM
never really liked it...but that Everything-Beat is fire

Second Coming
07-24-2007, 02:01 PM
421 is a dope album to me. All of the RZA produced tracks are mad dope, especially the intro, Konichiwa Bitches and Presidential MC. Walk On with Redman is my shit too. However, I wish he would have stuck to Erick Sermon & RZA on the boards because some of the other beats on there are trash. Overall a solid album, though.

Natseri
07-24-2007, 02:23 PM
with a bit better beats I would have given classic. Mef did his part like he should, nothing to complain.

mightyhealthy
09-08-2007, 09:29 PM
Did my own personal review on this album just for the hell of it. Let me know who agrees or disagrees.

Methodman 4:21 The Day After
1. Intro 5/5 (great start to the album over a Rza laced track)

2. Is it Me 5/5 (love this track even though kind of commercial, Mef shits all over anyone who ever rhymed over a Stroch beat.)

3. Problem 4/5 (Lyrics are good, Sermon beats seem to be too repetative anymore)

4. Somebody Done Fucked Up 5/5 (This track is straight fire, nuf said)

5. Shaolin Soldier Skit

6. Fall Out 5/5 (Mef delivers properly over this beat)

7. Dirty Mef 5/5 (It nice to hear Dirty and Mef together, cant get enough of it)

8. 4:20 5/5 (Probably my most memorable track on this album, reminds me of the first Tical album, refreshing to hear Carlton Fisk again on a Mef track)

9. Let's Ride 2/5 (Not a fan of this track, usually skip over it, doesn't sound like it belongs, kills the albums flow)

10. The Glide 5/5 (Wordplay is great, straight Wu, love the ODB sample on it)

11. Kids skit

12. Gotta Have It 5/5 (always bump this track in my ride - just like it, like the sample)

13. Say 5/5 (first heard this in Hawaii at the end of 05 and thought it was great)

14. Ya Mean 3/5 (nice beat, could have done without Fat Joe and Styles P, not a great track but whatever)

15. Konitchiwas Bitches 5/5 (Great)

16. Everything 5/5 (Great)

17. Walk On 5/5 (classic Mef and Red wordplay)

18. Pimpin Skit

19. Prresidential MC 5/5 (what Wu fans crave, this track is hot, Rae sounds a bit lazy but still lyrically on point)

20. 4 Ever 4/5 (Like this track because it reminds me of Mef and Mary J on You're All I Need)

Overall I love this album, have not taken it out of rotation since I bought it.
Peace

Prolifical ENG
09-08-2007, 09:39 PM
Its nice to see that some people found replay value in it.

I think you gave out too many 5's but if you play it as often as you say you do then thats that. I think I would give it 3.8/5 on average

The only disappointing aspect is how it was released considering it was an album that Meth fans want and he rebounded from The Prequel but it wasnt recognized.

To me its an album to pull out every once in a while...if I happen to graze over my record crates and see it at the right time.

mightyhealthy
09-08-2007, 09:43 PM
I hear you Prolific. Thanks!

11th Chamber
09-08-2007, 10:21 PM
Funny that the best tracks on the album are RZA produced. If only he did more...

I like this album better than Judgement Day and Prequel. Second to Tical. Altho im not a big fan of Tical either so that doesnt say much

Longbongcilvaringz
09-09-2007, 03:48 AM
listened to it agian recently, i definitely like a fair few tracks off, so i'd give it a 7/10.

g_flex
09-09-2007, 03:50 AM
exactly..it always seems the case of Rza beats that shines..i like this album alot..nice feel

WuGambino
09-09-2007, 03:53 AM
I'd prolly give it 6/10. A few really good songs there though.

venex
09-09-2007, 03:56 AM
A few very good songs... but not that much... 7/10

didn't really feel this album...

TSA
09-09-2007, 05:57 AM
cd sucks. it sounds like a mix cd a methodman fan made(one with bad taste). No guidance, just a bunch songs that have nothing to do with each other so that you can only like 3-4 songs , and those 3-4 differ from what mood your in and who you are.


Konichiwa Bitches
Glide
Presidential MC
Say
are the songs i like and i dont listen to Say at all cause it's one of those songs you dont revisit for me.

the rest of the cD is unnesscary, DirtyMEth could have been better, it had a typical ass method man beat, and meth's verse was really wack and uneventful. Dirty killed it though.

Suga Duga
09-09-2007, 06:12 AM
Tical 2000 still on top...6.5/10

Dante
09-09-2007, 10:58 AM
Good album. 4/5

IRONFLAGCHIEF36
09-09-2007, 04:38 PM
shit is dope...i have almost the whole album on my psp, minus like 4 throw away tracks and skits...overall a solid album

DR. NICK RIVIERA
09-10-2007, 12:41 AM
better than Tical 0....we can all agree to that...Afterparty is the only track I really like from T0, 4:21 has some pretty good tracks tho (Meth came correct indeed)

BGS
09-17-2007, 07:25 AM
was masta killa cut if from the track everything? Because Deck says:

Aiyo, you fucking with some capital G's, Allah Math
Streetlife, Meth Man, plus the Masta and me

duotone
09-17-2007, 09:40 AM
don't he says "...plus the master in me"

????

don't know... but masta would kill that track with his toung....

Jeff-The-Chef
09-17-2007, 03:27 PM
the cd was alright for me 7/10

d fresh
09-28-2007, 06:18 PM
When over gritty production from RZA no one sounds better. However that happy shit like say it and the shit over Sermon beats didnt do nothing for me.

Its still a banger. Peace

urbanlegend
11-01-2007, 07:18 AM
This album is a banger. A lot of good tracks, more than your average (good) album, but some weaker songs keep it from being classic material.

DR. NICK RIVIERA
11-01-2007, 11:14 AM
Meth will prolly fuck up his next album with some shitty beats again...

just listening to Shadowboxin' .... that beat was like...classic MEF....he needs some real shit, not that Storch idiot beats

bad boy T
11-02-2007, 04:05 AM
Got this last year stilla dope album tho 8.5/10 at the moment

duotone
11-02-2007, 04:49 AM
it's not a wu album like i expected.... no classic one... no strange beats like in the early days... it's not the wu sound...

please rza bring us back to the roots like u did in the 90's

7/10

Acromadic
11-15-2007, 10:25 AM
1. Intro 2:11 3/5
2. Is It Me 3:44 5/5
3. Problem 3:30 4/5
4. Somebody Done Fucked Up 3:18 4/5
5. Shaolin Soldier (Skit) 0:21
6. Fall Out 3:24 2/5
7. Dirty Mef (Feat. O.D.B.) 2:59 4/5
8. 4:20 (Feat. Streetlife & Carlton Fisk) 4:34 3/5
9. Let's Ride (Feat. Ginuwine) 3:10 3/5
10. The Glide 3:05 4/5
11. Kids (Skit) 0:47
12. Got To Have It 4:13 3/5
13. Say 3:49 5/5
14. Ya'Meen (Feat. Fat Joe & Styles P) 4:21 4/5
15. Konichiwa Bitches 2:59 4/5
16. Everything (Feat. Inspectah Deck & Streetlife) 3:34 4/5
17. Walk On (Feat. Redman) 2:46 5/5
18. Pimpin' (Skit) 0:31
19. Presidential M.C. (Feat. Raekwon & The Rza) 4:30 4/5
20. 4 Ever (Feat. Megan Rochell) 4:04 4/5


This shit was a banger. Probably one of my favorite Meth albums, next to Tical and Blackout.

6 Brix
11-16-2007, 03:31 PM
banger/average

tidileboss
11-23-2007, 11:09 PM
1. Intro
2. Is It Me 4/5
3. Problem 4/5
4. Somebody Done Fucked Up 3.5/5
5. Shaolin Soldier (Skit)
6. Fall Out 3.5/5
7. Dirty Mef 4.5/5
8. 4:20 4/5
9. Let's Ride 3.5/5
10. The Glide 4/5
11. Kids (Skit)
12. Got To Have It 4/5
13. Say 3:49 5/5
14. Ya'Meen (Feat. Fat Joe & Styles P) 4/5
15. Konichiwa Bitches 5/5
16. Everything 3.5/5
17. Walk On 4.5/5
18. Pimpin' (Skit)
19. Presidential M.C. (Feat. Raekwon & The Rza) 5/5
20. 4 Ever (Feat. Megan Rochell) 2/5

64/80 --> 80% --> A, Banger

claaa7
12-09-2007, 10:40 AM
01 - intro (4/5)
02 - is it me? (5/5)
03 - problem (3.5/5)
04 - Somebody done fucked up (5/5)
05 - Shaolin Soldier (skit)
06 - Fall Out (3/5)
07 - Dirty Mef (feat. ODB) (2/5)
08 - 4:20 (f/ Streetlife & Carlton Fisk) (5/5)
09 - Let's Ride (f/ Ginuwine) (3/5)
10 - the glide (f/ Raekwon & U-God) (5/5)
11 - kids (skit)
12 - got's to have it (3/5)
13 - say (4/5)
14 - ya' mean (f/ fat joe & styles p) (3/5)
15 - konichiwa bitches (5/5)
16 - everything (f/ ins & streetlife) (3/5)
17 - walk on (f/ redman) (3/5)
18 - pimpin' (skit)
19 - presidential mc's (f/ rza & raekwon) (5/5)
20 - 4 ever (f/ megan rochell) (2/5)

a decent album with a lot of potential, method man's stepped up both his flow and lyrics although he should try to switch up the content somewhat. most of the beats sound uninspired and pretty average except for the rza's contributions which for me definitely sounds like "tical '06". havoc brought heat as well and scott storch laced him with a banger other than those 6-7 tracks it's a weak album.

Overall: 3.5/5

Maccabee Ridah
05-16-2008, 07:57 AM
I am little disappointed with this album. Except Intro, Dirty Mef (cuz ODB), Problem and Presidential MC, other songz r under his lv...

So, 5/10

WuGambino
06-11-2008, 02:31 PM
I am little disappointed with this album. Except Intro, Dirty Mef (cuz ODB), Problem and Presidential MC, other songz r under his lv...

So, 5/10
I agree the first week I got this album and listened to it I was feelin it and I voted average but really thats bein generous, there is so much wack shit on here and the tone of the album is just not Method Man...
plus the cover is shit

Maccabee Ridah
06-11-2008, 03:49 PM
I agree the first week I got this album and listened to it I was feelin it and I voted average but really thats bein generous, there is so much wack shit on here and the tone of the album is just not Method Man...
plus the cover is shit
co-signed......................
Cover is one BIG shyt!

hide1998
06-12-2008, 08:39 AM
A bit surprised with the more recent posts about this album. I thought this release was great mixture of that dark Wu Meth, in addition to the more mainstream friendly Meth. Ill cover too. His 3rd best album for sure (flow is sharper on here than on ANY of his albums). FAAAAR from average in this musical climate (Presidential MC alone shits on most joints that I'd label as average).

racist randy
06-14-2008, 10:45 PM
Ok kids. The Hollow Dartz review. This is my fav. Clan member. Meth is hot. Answer this i'm seeing niggaz say the songs are hot but the album is wack wtf?

1. Intro 2:11
I like the beat on this joint, the skit comes in, then Method Man comes in and does a good job he shows that he still has some heat in them, it wasn't amazing but good enough. 4/5

2. Is It Me 3:44
This is actually an ok joint produced by Scott Storch, the beat is cool, Method Man is cool on this joint, he comes nice on this joint, nothing really special but nice. 3.5/5

3. Problem 3:30
This joint sounds like some Redman shit, I know who produced the track, It's aiight and Method Man comes aiight on it, this is some average material on this joint. Method Man needs to stop tryna prove the critics wrong and just spit. 3.5/5

4. Somebody Done Fucked Up 3:18
This joint bangs hard. I'm not gonna lie it does get repetitive after awhile but it still knocks if you focus away from that. Method Man comes nice on this and I love the hook. 4/5

5. Shaolin Soldier (Skit) 0:21

6. Fall Out 3:24
I thought after hearing the Shaolin Soldier Skit a grimey ass track was about to come on but I hear this shit, it's aiight nothing to special Meth comes ok on it, I think he's trying to hard a little bit and needs to release it... 3/5

7. Dirty Mef (Feat. O.D.B.) 2:59
This joint is a cool, track nice to hear O.D.B. again, I think towards the end they have O.D.B. saying Fuck you a little too long. ODB verse is nice then Method Man comes in cool. 3.5/5

8. 4:20 (Feat. Streetlife & Carlton Fisk) 4:34
This joint is on some P.L.O. style type shit, You got Method Man, Streetlife AND that nigga Carlton Fisk! Method Man needs to just spit on this joint and stop worrying about the critics, nevertheless he comes correct on this track, Streetlife comes street as hell on this joint, "This is not a rap song , you get clapped on, bullets break the bone like a joint"..he just grimey on this joint, and Carlton Fisk comes back real nice on here, nice to hear from this nigga again, he does a great job on the hook aswell. 4.5/5

9. Let's Ride (Feat. Ginuwine) 3:10
This is one of them womanizer tracks, This joint not wack but I don't think it fits the album, it's all good though, this wasn't even the second single. Average Material. 3/5

10. The Glide 3:05
I fucks with this track, Raekwon just kills this shit with no problem at all, and La on the hook is real gangsta, one of my favorite parts on the track, then U-God comes in with a short and sweet verse, Method Man ends it off and here's one of the times i think he was trying a little hard, he did a good job, but he could've came better, he is Method Man. 4.5/5

11. Kids (Skit) 0:47

12. Got To Have It 4:13
I still fucks with the beat on this joint, but after awhile it gets kind of dry. I feel what he's spitting though, he came correct on this joint no doubt. 3.5/5

13. Say 3:49
The beat is kinda too slow, he came lyrically correct on this joint though I can't lie, this is just too slow for me, This is good for what it is. 3.5/5

14. Ya'Meen (Feat. Fat Joe & Styles P) 4:21
I don't know about this joint right here, Method Man wrote his verse like in 5 seconds, the beat is ok, Fat Joe is wack on this joint, Styles P comes hard on this joint, it seems he's the only one who put it some work. 3.5/5

15. Konichiwa Bitches 2:59
Method Man flows on this joint real well, I fuck with this track, one of the strong points of the album, the beat by Rza is nice aswell, to "
For every rhyme, there's a hair on my chest
Scared of the Man, you should be scared of the Meth
Now every damn that I drop, is homicidal, that could dare to be done
There's no survival, now who care to be next? (if you don't know me by now)
Know where the borough is, doing it for
The most thoroughest, you doing the most, pa
The French call it "forpa" when fucking with son, the odds a hundred to none
Too many flavors, ya'll ain't fucking with one
It's getting deep, see the plot thicker
No place to be, if you bi-atch, nigga
Outside the Clan, we always got RZA
I put it down, like I don't give a
One in the head, I bet he don't get up, we drinking malt liquor
Out of your Benz, just to talk slicker
Then paint a scene that you can all picture
You going in? Well, let me walk with cha
It's Method Man, but for short Mr., Mef"
....he went in with the flow on this joint. 4.5/5


16. Everything (Feat. Inspectah Deck & Streetlife) 3:34
I think Method Man could've came harder on this joint because everyone else did, Inspectah Deck comes in mad nice with his verse " You would swear that I'm rocking new balance how I walk on the ledge" he came hard on this joint and Streetlife topped it off mad nice no lie "Special invited guest, I came to put the rumors to rest
Rip the rest of the slugs through your chest
Put the chest to the back of your vest
Trap your packet, take the money and jet
Niggas posted, but you posing no threat
Punk, you pussy like the opposite sex
Front, see how many shots you will get
I'm not asking, I'm demanding respect
I'm just a man to respect
Watch your step, son, your funeral's next
Streetlife is the man in the flesh, I got one hand on your neck
The other hand is attached to the tech
Your next move could mean life or death
Make move, take baby steps
Hold that thought, nigga, save your breath
We hold courts, in the streets, we rep
For Cash Rule, and we came to collect, cock sucker"
...Beat by Mathematics is Mad nice aswell... 4.5/5

17. Walk On (Feat. Redman) 2:46
The beat on this joint is kind of wack and Method Man came weak on this joint, Redman came hard on this one for no reason, this could've been left off the album or replaced with a better beat. 3/5

18. Pimpin' (Skit) 0:31 LOL Meth

19. Presidential M.C. (Feat. Raekwon & The Rza)
The beat on this joint is mad nice, but Method man didn't really come hard as I thought he would on this joint, Raekwon kills this shit with no problem ..."o, blew 'em and hit 'em, and he went into a spin cycle
Outblew his liver, a river flooded, what's happening
It's drugs we wanted, gloves buttered, thug coverage
This is Fila, white sneaker, Louis Vitton luggage
I came, representative huddle, they all love you
That W, the legacy of little niggas muggin' you
The fuck, what's up with you, yo, you suck, nigga
Benches used to pluck niggas, we be on the roof, like "fuck you"
Them red beams is coming, losers, got to walk the plank
Users, with uzi's on 'em, you move, you getting spanked
Shank broilers banked, alcoholics ranked ballers
They should call us, I rock mad ice like a walrus
The lamesters decided to lure us, we was up in Freedomtown
Getting weeded, one Bentley tour bus, you might like the mack and explore dust
You can't fuck with all of us, one of us dropped, there's twenty more of us"

And Rza came so wack on this joint, I can't give this joint a great rating as I want to
3.5/5

20. 4 Ever (Feat. Megan Rochell) 4:04
I was feeling this joint at first but then it died out, This definitely could've been left off the album, the singing isn't bad but you can't follow up a grimy track with this joint. 3/5

Lyrics - 3.5/5
Beats - 4/5
Overall - 3.5/5

I think Method Man was trying too hard lyrically on some parts of this album, then on some tracks he didn't come hard enough, then he has Soft tracks following up a hard track, I don't really like that transition at all. I hope Crystal Method is a step foward. If he had Tical 0 lyrics on this joint, this would've been a way better album. ****Overall 3.5/5****



I had to do a re-review.....

Ritter
06-15-2008, 09:25 AM
Underrated album I can see.

It's a banger. Presidental MC, Fall Out, Dirty Mef, The Glide... all great tracks. Production was great.

But to each his own. 4/5

racist randy
06-15-2008, 10:35 AM
Production was great, that's why the beat received a 4. But you have to look at everything else too.

lequory
06-20-2008, 03:07 PM
I bought this album and trashed it. I love Meth to def(no homo) but I simply couldn't get into this album. Is he not allowed to make the music he wants to make anymore or is he trying to reach commercial status.

Tony Bandana
06-21-2008, 01:48 AM
I bought this album and trashed it. I love Meth to def(no homo) but I simply couldn't get into this album. Is he not allowed to make the music he wants to make anymore or is he trying to reach commercial status.

your an idiot lol

4:21 getz more play then Fishcale round here..

i cant see how anyone can say anything bad about it, i think its fine hip hop and stayed pretty true and his best record .

i was shocked when i read so/so reviews ..i played that shit forever it seemed without skipping through the tracks

as soon az i heard the intro i was a happy jiggga

OnGH

andy_gza
01-13-2009, 05:25 AM
Nice album, I play it often
8.5/10

Don Universo
04-09-2009, 03:38 PM
would've been close to classic with about 2 more rza/math joints.
the song with genuine was complete garbage, and I'm tired of hearin meth rock off eric sermon beats, save that for mef and red albums.8/10


Konichiwa Bitches....

YungSunny
04-09-2009, 07:16 PM
This album could of been great.
Tracks like Is it me, Problem, Fall Out, and Everything really hold it back from perfect.

Jin10304
04-09-2009, 08:39 PM
I thought Problem was sick as fuck, flow wise & Sermon production too

New Hills 36
05-28-2009, 06:18 PM
A huge improvement on 0. But Mef.............has it in him to release a monster of monster albums....and this isn't that monster. He slayed 8 diagrams tho and I'm hopeful for next time!!!!

But Presidential MCs is exactly what I want to hear. More of that please.