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Os3y3ris
10-11-2006, 01:39 AM
Does anyone know the origin of this phrase? I know some "islamic" groups use it, but I've also seen it in the 360 concept and other places.

Urban_Journalz
10-11-2006, 01:50 PM
That saying comes from The Nation Of Islam.
Though a positive saying, I think the chronological order is wrong.

I think it should be knowledge, understanding and wisdom.
As this is the natural process for anyone who earnestly understands studying. You buy a book and read it through. You have the knowledge. The more you read and ponder upon that which you read, it's no longer foreign to you. Therefore you understand what you're studying. Only when you can effectively put what you've learned into positive practice, as if you yourself were the writer of what you originally read, can you be said to have gained true wisdom in that field.

snapple
10-11-2006, 01:51 PM
i agree, the order would be better that way. knowledge is the base, you must understand the knowledge to gain wisdom.

Os3y3ris
10-11-2006, 01:54 PM
That saying comes from The Nation Of Islam.

Thats interesting. I'm curious as to how it got into Folks Nation given their less than friendly relationship with Islam.

Urban_Journalz
10-11-2006, 05:30 PM
Hmm. That is interesting. You know how it is though, people hear something they like and just run with it.

snapple
10-11-2006, 05:37 PM
who cares who it came from, it's a good saying or philosophy whatever you wanna call it.

Os3y3ris
10-11-2006, 05:45 PM
The origin is important because it reveals the flow of information. Monitoring the flow of information reveals social, political, economic and/or ideological connections that may not have been apparant beforehand. Islamic symbolism and ideology are generally offensive to Folks Nation, esepcially since the NOI became allied with the P Stones when the Stones used the name El Rukn. Having had cause to look into these groups, things aren't sitting right at all, and this is another piece of the puzzle that just doesn't fit.

snapple
10-11-2006, 05:47 PM
i know i know belive me i understand that knowledge youre dropping but i just dont want another heated islam vs thread that shits played out, this site is predictable sometimes hah

hidden ninja
10-11-2006, 06:44 PM
That saying comes from The Nation Of Islam.
Though a positive saying, I think the chronological order is wrong.

I think it should be knowledge, understanding and wisdom.
As this is the natural process for anyone who earnestly understands studying. You buy a book and read it through. You have the knowledge. The more you read and ponder upon that which you read, it's no longer foreign to you. Therefore you understand what you're studying. Only when you can effectively put what you've learned into positive practice, as if you yourself were the writer of what you originally read, can you be said to have gained true wisdom in that field.I've thought that myself, but "wisdom is wise words spoken", so I see it as after you gain the knowledge, you refine it until you develop an understanding. like you learn something, then go talk to about it - exchange the knowledge with other cats through wisdom.

Urban_Journalz
10-12-2006, 02:03 AM
^^Not to completely disagree, cuz it is a valid point. It depends on what kind of knowledge it is though. If you were preaching tolerance and won't hold a door for someone of another race or help them off the bus....etc. it's not really acceptable. You have to act out what you've learned. So, I guess it depends on what you learn.

Prince Rai
10-13-2006, 03:46 PM
Peace,

interesting topic and respect to Os3y3is for bringing this up for I hope people will elevate positively here, which has been the case in this thread.

I also agree that the ordering ought to be considered as

1) Knowledge
2) Understanding
3) Wisdom

the ordering may be changed to the prior of course, but thats another starting point.

I also maintain the revised ordering, as I believe that wisdom has various ingredients.
One is clearly Knowledge as that is the building-atom of thought (you could say).
Then of course, knowledge must be understood in order for it to have some sort of value that cannot depreciate. If you understand what you have (knowledge), it cannot depreciate as such, thus it can be converted to Wisdom.

As for the significance of its origin, yes, that is important to a certain degree.
**!!Although it is wise to say that, knowledge as to its Origin does not determine someones degree of Wisom!!**
The origin may explain to us the way of humans and how they developed debate on philosophy.
I doubt it stems from The Nation of Islam, or any other recent development of societies.
It rather would stem from more earlier debates on thought developed by people who were keen on identifying ways to sustain consistent behaviour in society.

^
Thats just one thought...

but before i write a wayyyy too long a answer... perhaps people would want to debate on what i just said.


peace

WARPATH
10-13-2006, 04:24 PM
If you know something you already understand it.

Knowledge Wisdom Understanding, Knowledge Wisdom understanding.

It's a snow ball effect.

Let's take a random cultures Flesh offerings......

This should be easy for christians to figure out.

Why would certains cultures give flesh- their blood and body. Christains won't do it because it's not part of their customs. But from the outside looking in a wise person would know. From their own wisdom they can deduce down from their own religion. Why did Christ suffer and offer his body for the sins of man?
Why did he break bread with his diciples and give the blood and body of christ?

So now looking in on a different culture through his own wisdom he can understand why they give flesh.

Knowledge, Wisdom, Understanding.

Knowledge and wisdom go hand and hand together. Just because some one teaches you somthing doesn't mean it's true. You need true wisdom to weed out the wrong. Only then can you come to an understanding of the knowledge you've obtained.

Os3y3ris
10-13-2006, 04:24 PM
KWU seems pretty reasonable to me. You have to have some wisdom to properly understand your knowledge.

As far as the origin goes, I'm not trying to discredit this concept by asking that. Just information I need to know to make things simpler. Long story. Plus, I'm looking into the governments role in all of this. Seems shady.

LORD NOSE
05-02-2009, 09:15 PM
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LORD NOSE
01-10-2010, 03:46 PM
it comes from the bible

Fatal Guillotine
05-11-2011, 12:57 PM
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BornPower
05-11-2011, 01:26 PM
I don't get how some of you would put understanding before wisdom.

the foundation in knowledge.

the application of this knowledge is wisdom.
(a wise man does wise things while stupid is as stupid does)

knowing when to apply one's knowledge (knowing when and how to act) is understanding.

how could it be otherwise?

In the Bible, Solomon is considered the wisest of them all. He knew the law (knowledge) and he sought wisdom. How could Solomon have gained understanding without wisdom?