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J-Cee
10-12-2006, 10:53 AM
Why is it that we follow the morality of society..and not ourselves..and those that choose there own way of life(like commiting murder,robbery etc)are condemned to prison and considered evil to the rest of society.

Can you truly define the difference between good and evil?..who says that me killing someone or anything along those lines is evil.
What if i live my life like 'i am my own god'...my mind is on a higher level that i am me..a good person..yet can do such acts that the rest of society consider bad and that punishment should be handed out to me for doing so,without being punished and branded as scum of society.No one is scum..if we are human..regarldess of our actions and views we are stil lthe same and we stil lend up in the same place as anyone else..dead.

Who created this morality that everyone follows today..could it be changed..does it originate from religion only?or is a way to keep us from overthrowing the higher power and creating a world of the people,where the normal person has equal power with the rest of the human population.
How does anyone else have the right to define what your actions as a human being like we all are..are bad..inhumane..insane..mad..fucked up etc.
Im high...so this might not make sense to some.
peace.

snapple
10-12-2006, 11:43 AM
aristotle and many other great philosophers were around before chritianity and a lot of other relegions, the conflict of morality has been around since man evolved into having a brain with the ability to reason. universal law is necessary because plenty of evil men/women do exist, and their "natural" and "good" behavior could be on some devil shit. so it is necessary, and we follow the law because the law doesn't fuck around they have their hand around you at all times, their grip you can loosen however. but i always follow my own heart first since i disagree with certain laws and find them immoral as well.

Os3y3ris
10-12-2006, 11:46 AM
J-Cee, this is perhaps the worst argument for moral ambiguity I've ever heard. I decide that you killing me is wrong. Simple as that. Same with the other crimes.

TeknicelStylez
10-12-2006, 01:02 PM
Fuck man made law, do as you please. Personally I've had it up to here with this bullshit about other men telling me what I can and can't do. Trying to lock me up in facilities because they disagree with my lifestyle. If they give me no other option I will kill as many of them as I can before I fall, and I hope it's and example to other people that witness it. You can't govern man, just because you have a badge doesn't give you the right to take me to some place and keep me there against my will, I'll fuckin kill you.

THE W
10-12-2006, 01:12 PM
a lot of the laws that are made are there to protect people from pain, suffering, and loss of property.

TeknicelStylez
10-12-2006, 01:28 PM
What happened to people protecting themself from pain, suffering, and loss of property. Back in the day when people committed crimes against the community everybody got together as a whole, found the person, and tried him. Sherriffs, people who worked in the judicial system, they were volunteers, they weren't on a payroll. They didn't get money for prosecuting said amount of people, they didn't follow government instructions, they did what was best for their community. Why do we consistantly feel the need to rely on other people for our own responsibilities...

THE W
10-12-2006, 01:41 PM
What happened to people protecting themself from pain, suffering, and loss of property. Back in the day when people committed crimes against the community everybody got together as a whole, found the person, and tried him. Sherriffs, people who worked in the judicial system, they were volunteers, they weren't on a payroll. They didn't get money for prosecuting said amount of people, they didn't follow government instructions, they did what was best for their community. Why do we consistantly feel the need to rely on other people for our own responsibilities...
what laws do you think would change if the community policed itself?

TeknicelStylez
10-12-2006, 01:45 PM
I don't think most shit would change but I garuntee you there wouldn't be corrupt cops beating, shooting, and indicting whoever the fuck they please whenever the fuck they want to. There wouldn't be life jail sentences and bullshit like that. What happened to punishments fitting the crime, or exhile for the harsh offenders, shit like that.

CherChezLaMarauder
10-12-2006, 02:12 PM
So you're saying taking someone elses life isn't wrong? Or stealing another man's earned money & possessions? There are exceptions like self-defense and starvation where instinct kicks in, but come on now. You must be toting some good 420.

hidden ninja
10-12-2006, 05:31 PM
what laws do you think would change if the community policed itself?
i think the reason communities should police themselves is not because of unfair laws neccesarily, but I don't like the thought of 200 some old white dudes making decisions on what is right and wrong for billions of people.

it's like you got inner-city kids who gotta steal food because they can't afford to feed themselves, but if they get busted they're gonna spend however many months/years in jail cause some dude who grew up in a gated community in Whitesburg says that shit is wrong. these two people have lived completely different lives, what's right and wrong to each could also be completely different.

My First Timbs
10-12-2006, 08:04 PM
what we humans define as a "value system" based on morals, is really nothing but feelings about actions, thoughts and behaviors that are tied into our evolutionary history as a species, but explained culturally. Meaning that, what we humans identify as "morality" is simply an aid to the survival and reproduction of our species! Throughout the course of human evolution, certain thoughts, actions and behaviors were found to not be socially advantageous and so in turn over time have become ingrained as taboo or "immoral" For example, the act of stealing from a fellow member is not "socially advantageous" for the species because it possibly made family units weaker and susceptible to predation. Similarly, what we would call "philanthropy" or "helping fellow humans" is socialy advantageous because it streghthens bonds between individuals and ultimately strengthens a social group on a whole. Thus, being cooperative and helping out fellow man over time has yielded more benefit than detriment and thus became seen as what we would call "good", "right" or "moral". Basically, morality has nothing to do with a supernatural realm or "God", one can be what we consider "moral" irrespective of their philosophical views on life!


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Sicka than aidZ
10-12-2006, 09:00 PM
What happened to people protecting themself from pain, suffering, and loss of property. Back in the day when people committed crimes against the community everybody got together as a whole, found the person, and tried him. Sherriffs, people who worked in the judicial system, they were volunteers, they weren't on a payroll. They didn't get money for prosecuting said amount of people, they didn't follow government instructions, they did what was best for their community. Why do we consistantly feel the need to rely on other people for our own responsibilities...


they dont do shit where u live how do u know so damn much? haha. Tek read all the books in jail

Urban_Journalz
10-12-2006, 10:54 PM
The very idea of this thread seems a bit loose to me. To kill anyone or steal anything for no reason is wrong. Your own common sense tells you this. To try and justify breaking a rule set forth for the purpose of uplifting mankind is borderline disrespect if not flat-out blasphemy. Who said so? God said so. Period. You either follow it or you don't. It's all up to you, but the rules were given for a very good reason.

If someone is a serial killer, they should be killed. Why? Because they broke the rule stating "Thou shall not kill." Don't try to say that 2 wrongs don't make a right either because the ideology behind this is that you're making the world a better place by cancelling the Charles Mansons or the world. The reason why this gets frowned upon is that too many of us in this day and age have no backbone to speak of and would rather let a snake-ish joke of a justice system deal with these people. Taking the law into ur own hands?? Like stylez said, man's law is a joke. Truth be told, the law is ALREADY in our hands. Most of us are too chicken to use it though. We'd rather come up with pseudo-philosophies that conform with the man of the hour, instead of those sent forth to keep us all in a just balance.

To stick strictly to The Gospels, our own books tell us, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." and "Whosoever shed man's blood, by man shall his blood e shed. So in the image of God, may deem a man." So, if I see a girl getting raped in an alley, I'm wrong for walkin' up on the rapist and introducing his grey matter to sunlight?? No. I'm not. Live and let live only applies to those of us who don't engage in widespread evil with malice and forethought. The Mansons, Talibans, KKK members, rapist, serial killers and child molestors among us are in no way subject to the laws of mercy. You can sit back and try to make sense out of sheer cowardice and disobedience if you want to, personally, if I see any of these people around, I'm returnin' 'em to the essence if I get the chance. Please believe me.

Sicka than aidZ
10-12-2006, 11:12 PM
TALIBAN AN THE KKK RUN AROUND SAYING THE SAME THING THATS WHATS FUCKED UP TOO. SHIT YEAH EYE FOR AN EYE. GOD WILL GET U FOR THAT SHIT TOO DEPENDING ON HOW U TAKE IT.

snapple
10-12-2006, 11:15 PM
What happened to people protecting themself from pain, suffering, and loss of property. Back in the day when people committed crimes against the community everybody got together as a whole, found the person, and tried him. Sherriffs, people who worked in the judicial system, they were volunteers, they weren't on a payroll. They didn't get money for prosecuting said amount of people, they didn't follow government instructions, they did what was best for their community. Why do we consistantly feel the need to rely on other people for our own responsibilities...



tek....come on....you know how tri-state is.....mad corrupt boys in blue no doubt....but we need them....without them itd be fucking anarchy man...police as much as i hate to say it...do a lot of good shit for the community....but like everything else in life their is the balance...mad corruption too. the police are necesarry for our culture to survive man, not everyone is a moral street scholar, there are plenty of devils running around in the street, and if you don't agree, then you lost your vision

Os3y3ris
10-13-2006, 12:47 AM
Stealing is not a moral grey area. Its not enforced by old white people. Who do you think calls the cops in the first place? The black man or black woman your ass just stole from.

J-Cee
10-13-2006, 01:49 AM
see its all coming down to religion...just like in the christian religion..saying that if you dont belive in jesus and dont ask for forgivness your going to hell..that sounds evil to me,not heavenly,more like a human made saying.

Urban_Journalz
10-13-2006, 01:53 AM
So you're saying taking someone elses life isn't wrong? Or stealing another man's earned money & possessions? There are exceptions like self-defense and starvation where instinct kicks in.

:mmmyah:

Word. Again, if there's a valid reason, then whatever happens, happens. You can't go around doing these things just because they excite you though. If nothing else take a hint from the nations that went before ours. All of them did the same thing, got powerful and felt like they were too good to follow the rules. Now, in most cases, all you see is ruins. In other cases, like Atlantis, all you hear are stories. It never fails.

The world of today isn't any different. We all feel like it can't happen. Katrina proved that. Those fools had Mardi Gras right after and there's still people out there that haven't been put in the ground. As long as they can have 'fun' though, the ends always justify the means. No one's ever willing to look at the end of those who did the exact same thing and take a hint though.

Urban_Journalz
10-13-2006, 02:11 AM
see its all coming down to religion...just like in the christian religion..saying that if you dont belive in jesus and dont ask for forgivness your going to hell..that sounds evil to me,not heavenly,more like a human made saying.

To believe in a prophet is one thing, to bow to im is something different. Christians believe that you must bow to Isa in order to recieve mercy.
The Prophet Isa (upon whom be peace) was human. He can neither save anyone nor have intercession on The Day Of Judgement unless The Most High allows him to.
As far as asking for forgiveness, it's not that simple. You have to work for salvation every day of your life and still, even then, HOPE that you were sincere enough in the end. There's really nothing 'evil' about it. There's crime and punishment. If you break man's law, you get punished. Man's law is (or is supposed to be) a branch of God's law. Too often, people want to portray God as One who will take all of your crap, insults and disobedience, and still let you through The Gates because of what you claim. Am I the only one who thinks that's an insult??

Yes, He is Merciful. The Most Merciful of those who show mercy. Oft-Forgiving. At the same time, people forget about His Wrath. We think that because He gives us so much time, that we'll be o.k. Forgetting about the law of averages. You can only do something, anything, a certain number of times before you see the effects of it. Look at it from the parental aspect. If you give your child a certain set of instructions, you'd expect them to follow them. If the child doesn't follow them, you (if you're smart) punish the child. A few lashes because there's a fine line between discipline and abuse. Then, as they grow, they either follow your teachings or not. Eventually you let them go and wether they live good lives or bad lives, shows how well they followd your rules. God gave His children the rules from jump street. We either disobeyed them or re-wrote most of them. Due to that constant disobedience, He warned the inhabitants of every nation that was chosen at the time for Divine Guidance. In the time of Musa (Moses ((upon whom be peace)) ) the warning to Egypt came in the form of the 10 Plagues. That, though harsh, was mercy. He afflicted them with torment, but he didn't destroy them. It was only after Pharaoh decided to let The Children Of Israel go, went back on his word and chased them, did God destroy him and his army. The same goes for Sodom & Gomorrah and, the more I think about it, probably Atlantis. An entire nation disappearing into the sea as a result of great earthquakes and tidal waves is Divine Anger. Wholesale death always is a result of Divine Anger. If it weren't, the people would surely have buried eachother. It's the same through history. A constant habit of disobedience in not tolerated. It never has been and it never will be. The only evil in the equation, is the evil that those nations brought down upon themselves out of arrogance. True justice is never evil. It's actually fair and square once analyzed.

Os3y3ris
10-13-2006, 06:08 AM
Word. Again, if there's a valid reason, then whatever happens, happens.

The ends do NOT justify the means.

Those fools had Mardi Gras right after and there's still people out there that haven't been put in the ground. As long as they can have 'fun' though, the ends always justify the means. No one's ever willing to look at the end of those who did the exact same thing and take a hint though.

Erm, NO. In Katrina, Mardi Gras was important to A. Normalize the way of life and B. make some much needed money. Would you rather everyone suffered just on principle?

Q-birth
10-13-2006, 07:53 AM
Why is it that we follow the morality of society..and not ourselves..and those that choose there own way of life(like commiting murder,robbery etc)are condemned to prison and considered evil to the rest of society.

Can you truly define the difference between good and evil?..who says that me killing someone or anything along those lines is evil.
What if i live my life like 'i am my own god'...my mind is on a higher level that i am me..a good person..yet can do such acts that the rest of society consider bad and that punishment should be handed out to me for doing so,without being punished and branded as scum of society.No one is scum..if we are human..regarldess of our actions and views we are stil lthe same and we stil lend up in the same place as anyone else..dead.

Who created this morality that everyone follows today..could it be changed..does it originate from religion only?or is a way to keep us from overthrowing the higher power and creating a world of the people,where the normal person has equal power with the rest of the human population.
How does anyone else have the right to define what your actions as a human being like we all are..are bad..inhumane..insane..mad..fucked up etc.
Im high...so this might not make sense to some.
peace.

Your questionning is legitimate. One has to go through that to really value humanity.

I advise you read Nietzsche.

Os3y3ris
10-13-2006, 08:10 AM
Nietzche doesn't excuse leeches either.

EYEKON1
10-13-2006, 02:15 PM
we have laws for a reason, thats to keep structure with-in society.

if everyone wanted to do what they want, what do you think the world would be like? I can understand that if you were poor and hungry that having to steal food is an option, but that still doesnt make it right.

your way of thinking just becomes a vicious cycle... let me explain..

if you were to kill somone...(with out laws or morals in place) ...they're gonna retaliate and kill you....and so on... laws are put in place to stop it from escalating. laws are put there to stop/prevent it... period.

lets look at it from a another point of view...you're quoted as..



What if i live my life like 'i am my own god'...my mind is on a higher level that i am me..a good person..yet can do such acts that the rest of society consider bad and that punishment should be handed out to me for doing so,without being punished and branded as scum of society.No one is scum..if we are human..regarldess of our actions and views we are stil lthe same and we stil lend up in the same place as anyone else..dead.



put that into a scenario (hypothetically) and lets say there's a murder/rapist that went after your mother or sister...with what you stated above, are you going to look at it like

"....sure he's a murderer and rapist and fucked up my mother and sister....but hey! we live in a world where people are going to want to do what they want...he's only human...who knows, he's probably a really nice guy..."

fuck no...you'd be downright furious, laws and morality are put in place to stop/prevent these things.

you also state:



How does anyone else have the right to define what your actions as a human being like we all are..are bad..inhumane..insane..mad..fucked up etc.



when someone's negative actions violate my rights to live life...i sure as hell want someone to have the right to define your actions as being morally incorrect...

this works the other way too,...you do something positive..when then...be commended on something good....


the topic at hand does have alot of 'grey' areas....im just posting my points on what was said about the murder/robbery ...etc.




you're last line sum it up all....re-read this post when you're sober.



Im high...so this might not make sense to some.

$inista
10-13-2006, 02:17 PM
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abasi
10-13-2006, 02:42 PM
Aristotle came before christianity?

Os3y3ris
10-13-2006, 02:43 PM
Yeh, he did.

J-Cee
10-13-2006, 03:06 PM
lol..yeh i didnt put it in the right words..of course id be furious if some rapist came and raped my mother etc....im jsut looking at it like,who made these rules..im looking for answers..im just angry with society and the views ppl project these days..like u have follow orders,but when it comes down to it..im the same as everyone else and why should i feel less then som1 else because of there status.It just doesnt feel right to me.I understand why some ppl jsut cant take it and end up as criminals or physcos.

Urban_Journalz
10-13-2006, 03:37 PM
The ends do NOT justify the means.



Erm, NO. In Katrina, Mardi Gras was important to A. Normalize the way of life and B. make some much needed money. Would you rather everyone suffered just on principle?

Again, as far as means justifyin ends, tell that to a father that found the guy who raped, tortured and killed his daughter. Or the mother who has her baby kidnapped.

As far as Mardi Gras, there are a million other ways for people to make money. Mardi Gras was a way of making people forget about what happened and return to the normal, disobedient ways of life that brought that hurricaine on them to begin with. No one suffers when they follow the rules. It's impatience and a "right-now" mentality that drives people to do any and everything possible, legal or illegal, for money.

Urban_Journalz
10-13-2006, 03:46 PM
lol..yeh i didnt put it in the right words..of course id be furious if some rapist came and raped my mother etc....im jsut looking at it like,who made these rules..im looking for answers..im just angry with society and the views ppl project these days..like u have follow orders,but when it comes down to it..im the same as everyone else and why should i feel less then som1 else because of there status.It just doesnt feel right to me.I understand why some ppl jsut cant take it and end up as criminals or physcos.

You shouldn't feel less than anyone else because of 'status' because usually that status is based on how society sees them. You can't call yourself righteous and seek the pleasure of society. If you've heard Shyhiem's "Manchild" album, an either Irish or Scottish spiritual is being sung right before the main song "Manchild". An excellent point is there as goes, "The pathway of the righteous can have no earthly goal. What good are gold and silver when the devil wins your soul?"

To be righteous is not only to follow the rules, but it's also to walk with humble and pious action the same way you blink and breathe. As far as who wrote the laws, you'll have to figure that out on your own. You can't question why these laws are so important and why people follow them, when your own faith is shakey at best.

Os3y3ris
10-13-2006, 04:14 PM
No one suffers when they follow the rules.

Ok, right. Its quite possible to be BORN into suffering. What did the newborn do to deserve being born with a painful genetic disease? Or if you want to talk strictly about situational suffering, what did the african slaves do to deserve that? Sometimes good people suffer.

Urban_Journalz
10-13-2006, 08:15 PM
^^True. Plus, those are all questions that none of us have the answers to. But you knew this, which is probably why you asked in the first place. Questions like that are when faith comes in handy. As most people these days lack this, I won't go any further. For the babies born with a disease, I say it's sins of the father, or mother. Depending on which one of them passed the disease on. If you live for you and don't consider the consequences, a lot of innocent lives suffer as well. The African slaves might have had to endure the same kind of trial The Children Of Israel endured. Constant pain and suffering, yet through it all, they (Israel) kept going until they were delivered. I use this as a parable. No one will come to liberate the African slave descendants, but you can see all around that most of us would rather find salvation in a bottle of Gin than truly study the patterns of life and how we could learn from them if we studied and, oh yea, had faith.

Also, it's actually a much more fearful thing to fall OUT of the hands of The Living God methinks.

TeknicelStylez
10-22-2006, 04:32 AM
When the government decides to go to war for petty reasons and kills millions of people it's moral

When the government gives us drugs to sell in the street than turns around and locks us up for those same drugs it's moral

When the government steals millions of dollars from the people to build weapons and to accomodate their own personal luxuries it's moral

When politicians help themselves to countless prostitutes weekly its moral

When corporations exploit lower class america on a daily basis it's considered moral

I see an imbalance... I guess I'm the only one who notices

When somebody steals from me, I don't call the cops, I see the person myself and get back what was stolen.

When somebody attacks me or my family, I don't call the cops, I defend myself by fighting back.

When somebody takes advantage of me, I right the wrongs of the situation without depending on cops.

I am my family's and my own keeper, I police myself.

TeknicelStylez
10-22-2006, 04:33 AM
I'm bumping the thread because Ironically I spent 2 weeks in jail because a piece of paper said I belonged there. Apparently I owed the government money, so they collected by holding me hostage until my family paid the ransom.

Bloo
10-22-2006, 05:36 AM
I feel what you sayin Tek. I don't agree with a lot of laws, but I don't think it's the laws in general that are the problem, but the ones who enforce it. I'll give a recent example...

Just last night (Saturday) while I'm at work, we had a group of classic car collectors staying in my hotel. Group of kids decide to go around the parking lot and try the knobs to see which cars are open. To retaliate a few of the owners came out and started to beef with the kids. The kids got pissed and told the colleectors they'd be back. Afterwards the owners come in the hotel to tell us about it and my manager calls security and the cops. Only thing the cops do is tell the guests that they'll send a squad car (which never came) and the security guard said he'd make more of a point to come around but couldn't stay all night cause he had other areas to patrol. Well the kids did come back and ended up busting out the windows of the car owners who had beefed at them. So now you gotta ask, who's morally at fault?

The cops for not ever comming when they said they would? There were 4 cops at the bar down the block "just incase" some shit popped off, why couldn't one of them come over and watch the cars for a little?

What about the owners? They pissed the kids off to the point where they felt they had to fuck some shit up because of the way they were talked to. Don't get me wrong, I ain't gonna be nice to someone tryin to break into my shit, but at the same time, when you dealin with shit as nice as classic perfectly restored cars, I don't take threats like that lightly. Muthafucka tell me he's gonna be back, I'm gonna be right there waitin for them... fuck waitin on the cops to make a move.

Or what about the kids themselves? If it wasn't for them commin around in the first place this would've never even been an issue. But their niggerish ways prompted them to do some niggerish shit that's gonna cost these folks hundreds of dollars to repair.

Personally I place the fault on all three parties cause there were things that all three of them could've done to prevent the situation. But mainly I'd say the cops cause if some shit would've popped off and those owners went toe to toe with those kids, both them and the kids would've gotten hauled off. But because these car owners did the "morally" correct thing by leaving it in the police's hands, they now have to come out of pocket to fix their broken windows.

snapple
10-22-2006, 11:10 AM
When the government decides to go to war for petty reasons and kills millions of people it's moral

When the government gives us drugs to sell in the street than turns around and locks us up for those same drugs it's moral

When the government steals millions of dollars from the people to build weapons and to accomodate their own personal luxuries it's moral

When politicians help themselves to countless prostitutes weekly its moral

When corporations exploit lower class america on a daily basis it's considered moral

I see an imbalance... I guess I'm the only one who notices

When somebody steals from me, I don't call the cops, I see the person myself and get back what was stolen.

When somebody attacks me or my family, I don't call the cops, I defend myself by fighting back.

When somebody takes advantage of me, I right the wrongs of the situation without depending on cops.

I am my family's and my own keeper, I police myself.

real talk, RESPECT, son we gotta record a track when im back in tri-state

TeknicelStylez
10-22-2006, 11:34 AM
I feel what you sayin Tek. I don't agree with a lot of laws, but I don't think it's the laws in general that are the problem, but the ones who enforce it. I'll give a recent example...

Just last night (Saturday) while I'm at work, we had a group of classic car collectors staying in my hotel. Group of kids decide to go around the parking lot and try the knobs to see which cars are open. To retaliate a few of the owners came out and started to beef with the kids. The kids got pissed and told the colleectors they'd be back. Afterwards the owners come in the hotel to tell us about it and my manager calls security and the cops. Only thing the cops do is tell the guests that they'll send a squad car (which never came) and the security guard said he'd make more of a point to come around but couldn't stay all night cause he had other areas to patrol. Well the kids did come back and ended up busting out the windows of the car owners who had beefed at them. So now you gotta ask, who's morally at fault?

The cops for not ever comming when they said they would? There were 4 cops at the bar down the block "just incase" some shit popped off, why couldn't one of them come over and watch the cars for a little?

What about the owners? They pissed the kids off to the point where they felt they had to fuck some shit up because of the way they were talked to. Don't get me wrong, I ain't gonna be nice to someone tryin to break into my shit, but at the same time, when you dealin with shit as nice as classic perfectly restored cars, I don't take threats like that lightly. Muthafucka tell me he's gonna be back, I'm gonna be right there waitin for them... fuck waitin on the cops to make a move.

Or what about the kids themselves? If it wasn't for them commin around in the first place this would've never even been an issue. But their niggerish ways prompted them to do some niggerish shit that's gonna cost these folks hundreds of dollars to repair.

Personally I place the fault on all three parties cause there were things that all three of them could've done to prevent the situation. But mainly I'd say the cops cause if some shit would've popped off and those owners went toe to toe with those kids, both them and the kids would've gotten hauled off. But because these car owners did the "morally" correct thing by leaving it in the police's hands, they now have to come out of pocket to fix their broken windows.

Good post bloo, I agree with what you said. That just goes to show you though you have to rely on yourself when it comes to protecting you, your family, and your property. Why call somebody to come handle the situation when you're right there to do it yourself.

Black Man
10-25-2006, 10:51 AM
Can you truly define the difference between good and evil?..

Good is what pleases god and bad the opposite.