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LHX
10-18-2006, 05:46 PM
2 people who seem to be able to put together coherent and intelligent posts.

Where do the differences arise?


Ive found value in the contributions of both parties, so Im interested in why there is a apparent hostility.

Please elaborate.

7EL7
10-18-2006, 05:54 PM
i was gonna attempt to bring up another debate break down center

if this is kept organized it can work to benefit alot of people

7EL7
10-18-2006, 06:00 PM
the problem started here in this thread



http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27135

Urban_Journalz
10-18-2006, 07:56 PM
There was a conflict of interests. AP, in my opinion, would rather stick to asking questions, stupid questions, and also creating a world where death doesn't exist and as we "go elsewhere in the world", the world will expand to accomodate us. I really think of it more like entertainment now, especially since when I ask for proof, just as he does, all he can do is run from the question. I told him that I wasn't going to bother with him on the spiritual disagreements anymore. Still, not only does he change his quote in a pathetic and honestly juvenile attempt to make me angry, he also continues to post 'proof' of his belief i na never-ending effort to further this 'debate'.

It's simple, I don't think what he 'believes' makes a whole lot of sense. I got involved because it involved my way of life and a twisted version thereof.

He's fine questioning you, but if you do the same to him, he feels threatened.

He'll call all religious people crazy, but he'll say that one sect of religious people speak a truth that we all should follow. No matter the contradictions of the 'teaching'.

He believes in what he can see and touch. He doesn't believe in the unseen. I do. That's his problem. I have faith in the unseen and he needs something to run up and smack him in the face for it to be real.

He's also mad because I'm probably the only one that's actually questioned the logic behind a lot of what he says.

"Death is unnecessary." for example.

All he could do was go back to my post about Gabriel. The same thing his little friend did. Asking the same question I asked him in regards to "the world expanding to accomodate the Human population." I asked for proof or if this was wishful thinking. Knowing that he couldn't answer either one, he took the common way out, as I knew he would. What I posted about Gabriel I do hold to be true. Why? Simple, I believe God does anything He pleases, and a pathetic creature like man has no right to question any of it. That's me though. He'd rather hide behind questions instead of admit that a lot of what he believes is flat-out stupid.

Personally, I could care less about him or what he believes. *knows he'll probably re-post the above statement and attach a "likewise" to it.* Again, it's more entertaining than anything else. People who defend their belief have always been hated by those who have no faith and would sooner follow the whims of a man. Nothing's changed but the date.

I think it's just fear. It's easier to question and come up with radical conclusions in order to make yourself feel better about your lack of faith. That's why we see a lot of people who merely represent their 'beliefs' by a necklace or a language. All the while never doing the necessary work that goes with that belief. Either because they have little to no faith, or they're afraid of what the next person might think.

Sue me. I'm not any of the above, nor will I willingly sit back and watch what I consider to be a fairy tale dished out, without having at least something to say.

I'm stern resistance. That's why he doesn't seem to cater too well to me. Nor I with him, but then, that was never the plan. We disagreed from the start. I take it all in stride now though, because say what you will, death tells the truth on us all and I can't wait to see who's right.

Peace.

maestro wooz
10-18-2006, 08:49 PM
i could have sworn apsu=wooly noggins=sunny winters= 7el7= goddess

7EL7
10-18-2006, 10:25 PM
First let me clear this up right quick - you look extremely foolish saying what your saying to people who have been building with me on this subject for a few years now - your summary of me and the assumptions you make is whats getting you stomped out on these boards.
NOW !


There was a conflict of interests. AP, in my opinion, would rather stick to asking questions, stupid questions,....

lets start with the very first question i asked - well lets look at the first three


why couldn't elijah be "The Messenger" ?

because he's not an arab from Mecca ?

does Allah only raise messengers who are arab and from Mecca ?



Valid questions to me - you answered - but you seemed to be annoyed that someone was questioning you on what you were saying.

and also creating a world where death doesn't exist


i say that death is unnatural and unecessary - i never said that it does not exist - if you calm your ass down and stop getting exited over nothing, you will be able to read whats being typed with a clear mind


You do believe in an after life right ?

whats the difference ?

i say that you do not have to die - you say that when you die you live - which one sounds more rational ?


and as we "go elsewhere in the world", the world will expand to accomodate us. I really think of it more like entertainment now, especially since when I ask for proof, just as he does, all he can do is run from the question.


like you ran from this one ?


Originally Posted by Shropsher_Slasher http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=612749#post612749)
Now Gabriel (upon whom be peace). Muhammad (pbuh) described Gabriel, in his true form, as having 420 pairs of wings. In the cave of Hira, when Gabriel was first sent to Muhammad (pbuh), Muhammad (pbuh) returned home shaking, sweating and his heart beating furiously. He was also very cold.

then i asked

were all of these wings on his back ?

you never answered - you just showed us that you got annoyed/upset with this question in particular - called it a stupid question and claimed i was hopeless - thats where it got bad for you - but your so blind that you cannot even see thats it has gotten bad for you -


I told him that I wasn't going to bother with him on the spiritual disagreements anymore.

and you lied - and kept writing your 500 word essays filled with corny insults
calling me a moron for questioning your angel with the 840 chicken wings on his back that he uses to fly down from heaven to give people messages in a cave -


Still, not only does he change his quote in a pathetic and honestly juvenile attempt to make me angry, he also continues to post 'proof' of his belief i na never-ending effort to further this 'debate'.

i don't deal in belief and every one here knows this but you - my sig goes out to you and all the religious fanatic spook BELIEVERS


It's simple, I don't think what he 'believes' makes a whole lot of sense. I got involved because it involved my way of life and a twisted version thereof.

says the guy who believes in beings that have 840 wings





He's fine questioning you, but if you do the same to him, he feels threatened.


ask all the questions you want - may be i'll make a thread dedicated to all the questions you feel i ran away from - quote these questions of yours that i ran away from . i'll wait.

He'll call all religious people crazy, but he'll say that one sect of religious people speak a truth that we all should follow. No matter the contradictions of the 'teaching'.


what "sect" of religion am i saying is correct ?
i'll wait.


He believes in what he can see and touch.

again - i do not deal in belief - why would i waste my time trying to believe in something written about in a 1500 year old book ?


you can go on and look for ghost and unseen beings - you can call on them with magic words and you can even bow down to the sun in their name in fear that if you do not you'll go to hell - thats you - i don't deal in any of that bullshit -

He doesn't believe in the unseen. I do.

you have no choice but to believe in the unseen - thats a blind mans life


That's his problem. I have faith in the unseen and he needs something to run up and smack him in the face for it to be real.

i would rather wait for that smack than to fear something that i cannot see, hear,feel, or explain - you can go on and be afraid of that unseen shit that you cannot explain -


He's also mad because I'm probably the only one that's actually questioned the logic behind a lot of what he says.

LMAO ! you are truly a newbie



"Death is unnecessary." for example.

a believer in the afterlife is pointing the finger - did ISA/Yeshua die ?



All he could do was go back to my post about Gabriel. The same thing his little friend did. Asking the same question I asked him in regards to "the world expanding to accomodate the Human population." I asked for proof or if this was wishful thinking.


and i asked you werte the 840 wings you claim gabriel has are on his back
you ran from answering that for like 3 days now.

when you answer that question with out catching a tity fit, i'll consider you mature enough to build with me -



Knowing that he couldn't answer either one, he took the common way out, as I knew he would. What I posted about Gabriel I do hold to be true.


LMAO




Why? Simple, I believe God does anything He pleases, and a pathetic creature like man has no right to question any of it. That's me though. He'd rather hide behind questions instead of admit that a lot of what he believes is flat-out stupid.


you believe in a being with 840 wings - again i do not deal in belief - mostly all of this shit is entertainment to me - but your a newbie, you wouldn't know this.

Personally, I could care less about him or what he believes. *knows he'll probably re-post the above statement and attach a "likewise" to it.* Again, it's more entertaining than anything else. People who defend their belief have always been hated by those who have no faith and would sooner follow the whims of a man. Nothing's changed but the date.

you are a religious fanatic

I think it's just fear. It's easier to question and come up with radical conclusions in order to make yourself feel better about your lack of faith. That's why we see a lot of people who merely represent their 'beliefs' by a necklace or a language. All the while never doing the necessary work that goes with that belief.

i see that your favorite word is > BELIEF < - This is KNOW the ledge -

Either because they have little to no faith, or they're afraid of what the next person might think.


fuck faith, hope, and belief.

Sue me. I'm not any of the above, nor will I willingly sit back and watch what I consider to be a fairy tale dished out, without having at least something to say.

you have more than something to say - you talk to much and your words hold no weight - real talk -


I'm stern resistance. That's why he doesn't seem to cater too well to me. Nor I with him, but then, that was never the plan. We disagreed from the start. I take it all in stride now though, because say what you will, death tells the truth on us all and I can't wait to see who's right.

Peace.

so shut up and wait until you die

you BELIEVE all the answers will be given to you when your body is laying in a coffin or your ashes are in an urn.

i see your BELIEF as foolish and childish - i also see how you treat others who do not believe in your bullshit as religious fanaticism -

7EL7
10-18-2006, 10:34 PM
Apsu is a faggot and he needs to get punched in the anus. Other than that he's seems like a cool guy.




i tell shitty slushie to shut the fuck up in another thread and it gets deleted but this bullshit remains ?

WuTang Corp. is getting more and more pro white every year

LHX
10-18-2006, 11:01 PM
i tell shitty slushie to shut the fuck up in another thread and it gets deleted but this bullshit remains ?

WuTang Corp. is getting more and more pro white every year

fair enough

whats with the accusations tho?

Urban_Journalz
10-18-2006, 11:03 PM
First let me clear this up right quick - you look extremely foolish saying what your saying to people who have been building with me on this subject for a few years now - your summary of me and the assumptions you make is whats getting you stomped out on these boards.
NOW !




lets start with the very first question i asked - well lets look at the first three






Valid questions to me - you answered - but you seemed to be annoyed that someone was questioning you on what you were saying.




i say that death is unnatural and unecessary - i never said that it does not exist - if you calm your ass down and stop getting exited over nothing, you will be able to read whats being typed with a clear mind


You do believe in an after life right ?

whats the difference ?

i say that you do not have to die - you say that when you die you live - which one sounds more rational ?





like you ran from this one ?


Originally Posted by Shropsher_Slasher http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=612749#post612749)
Now Gabriel (upon whom be peace). Muhammad (pbuh) described Gabriel, in his true form, as having 420 pairs of wings. In the cave of Hira, when Gabriel was first sent to Muhammad (pbuh), Muhammad (pbuh) returned home shaking, sweating and his heart beating furiously. He was also very cold.

then i asked



you never answered - you just showed us that you got annoyed/upset with this question in particular - called it a stupid question and claimed i was hopeless - thats where it got bad for you - but your so blind that you cannot even see thats it has gotten bad for you -




and you lied - and kept writing your 500 word essays filled with corny insults
calling me a moron for questioning your angel with the 840 chicken wings on his back that he uses to fly down from heaven to give people messages in a cave -




i don't deal in belief and every one here knows this but you - my sig goes out to you and all the religious fanatic spook BELIEVERS




says the guy who believes in beings that have 840 wings








ask all the questions you want - may be i'll make a thread dedicated to all the questions you feel i ran away from - quote these questions of yours that i ran away from . i'll wait.




what "sect" of religion am i saying is correct ?
i'll wait.




again - i do not deal in belief - why would i waste my time trying to believe in something written about in a 1500 year old book ?


you can go on and look for ghost and unseen beings - you can call on them with magic words and you can even bow down to the sun in their name in fear that if you do not you'll go to hell - thats you - i don't deal in any of that bullshit -



you have no choice but to believe in the unseen - thats a blind mans life




i would rather wait for that smack than to fear something that i cannot see, hear,feel, or explain - you can go on and be afraid of that unseen shit that you cannot explain -




LMAO ! you are truly a newbie





a believer in the afterlife is pointing the finger - did ISA/Yeshua die ?






and i asked you werte the 840 wings you claim gabriel has are on his back
you ran from answering that for like 3 days now.

when you answer that question with out catching a tity fit, i'll consider you mature enough to build with me -






LMAO







you believe in a being with 840 wings - again i do not deal in belief - mostly all of this shit is entertainment to me - but your a newbie, you wouldn't know this.



you are a religious fanatic



i see that your favorite word is > BELIEF < - This is KNOW the ledge -




fuck faith, hope, and belief.



you have more than something to say - you talk to much and your words hold no weight - real talk -




so shut up and wait until you die

you BELIEVE all the answers will be given to you when your body is laying in a coffin or your ashes are in an urn.

i see your BELIEF as foolish and childish - i also see how you treat others who do not believe in your bullshit as religious fanaticism -

Just so you know....I have no idea what you said because I'm 99% sure that it was all more of your common variety trash. I was talking to LHX, not you.:=)

Urban_Journalz
10-18-2006, 11:04 PM
i tell shitty slushie to shut the fuck up in another thread and it gets deleted but this bullshit remains ?

WuTang Corp. is getting more and more pro white every year

LOL Enter the boyfriend :cheerlie::hooray:

Ultimate Fist
10-18-2006, 11:05 PM
I'd give a lot more props to APSU if he would please set up one video thread. Seperate threads for articles make sense because their deeper but the videos really don't need seperate threads. It kind of clutters the website and makes it hard to find stuff later for refrence. Also could you summarize the clips a little more? I've got dial up so I cant load them-too slow.

Urban_Journalz
10-18-2006, 11:05 PM
and spare me these wanna be-e-thugs that think just because you speak batter than they do that you're not "keepin' it real."

Ultimate Fist
10-18-2006, 11:07 PM
Slasher this is a random place to ask but can you comment on that rumor I heard about Warith Deen Muhammad? Does he really claim to be immaculately conceived or is that propaganda from the "mainstream" muslims?

maestro wooz
10-18-2006, 11:17 PM
i could have sworn apsu=wooly noggins=sunny winters= 7el7= goddess


apsu is avoiding the real question

slasher, i would have to recommend reading his post, not reading what he said is kinda childish.

Urban_Journalz
10-18-2006, 11:19 PM
Slasher this is a random place to ask but can you comment on that rumor I heard about Warith Deen Muhammad? Does he really claim to be immaculately conceived or is that propaganda from the "mainstream" muslims?

To the best of my knowledge, Warith Deen never said that. I think it's another rumor.

Ultimate Fist
10-18-2006, 11:20 PM
LOL wooz. It must be a personality type. APSU and WINTERS are like clones of each other.

Ultimate Fist
10-18-2006, 11:23 PM
Thanks Slasher. I was pretty skeptical when someone told me that. Do you know if Imam Muhammad has a website? I like his message (from speeches I've read) but its hard to get accurate info about him.

Urban_Journalz
10-18-2006, 11:25 PM
apsu is avoiding the real question

slasher, i would have to recommend reading his post, not reading what he said is kinda childish.

OK. It's read. As far as childish, call it what you will. I know when a question is being asked simply for the sake of asking "how do you know" and then when I say because I believe God does what he pleases, it's another "Why?"

He and anyone else can "wait" all they want. I'm sticking by what I said and seriously, I'm doing a way better job at ignoring him than he's doing to me, also at keeping my patience. There's nothing childish about letting sleeping dogs lie.

maestro wooz
10-18-2006, 11:34 PM
Fair enough man, but did you come to this forum to just say what you think and not listen or did you come here to build and learn. If it's such bullshit than just argue with him and you'll win and well all see how dumb he is. You can either take the satisfaction that you're right and hes wrong or you can prove it.

Urban_Journalz
10-19-2006, 09:41 AM
^^^It's that same reason why I'm more laughing at this whole thing now than mad at it. I am here to build and learn but it wasn't all his fault. I let myself stay angry as well. Truth be told, if I don't agree with something because it doesn't match up with what I would call common sense, then I'll speak on it maybe a couple of times and drop it.

I've said this before, I did let it go and I didn't type "600 word essays" after I told him twice in the same thread that I was letting it go. The rest have been comments due to his indirect insults.

At this point, I really don't care about any of this. In the end, I'll still believe what I believe and so will he. So, I'll try this a third and final time, anything after this has nohing to do with me continuing anything.

I'm through with this debate. It's been fun and I'm sure the great thinkers and philosophers of the past and present would admire both our efforts, but only death answers the questions. It's just up to us do decide what questions to ask.

Peace

Urban_Journalz
10-19-2006, 09:51 AM
If it's such bullshit than just argue with him and you'll win and well all see how dumb he is. You can either take the satisfaction that you're right and hes wrong or you can prove it.

My truth comes from what I read and again, the fact that I consider the contrasts and parables in what I read and the way it directly relates to life itself as common sense. Therefore, I believe in it. To prove something like this is near impossible to someone that has little to no faith in the unseen. Could you convince someone who thinks that we're all alone in this vast universe until some U.F.O.s came down and shook hands or tentacles with him? No. He'd have to think for himself and believe that this universe is entirely too vast and our astronomers still know far too little about it to assume that we're the only intelligent beings in the universe.

He'd have to believe. Some do, some don't. Nothing's changed. It's been like this for centuries. Proof is a matter of faith in this matter. Signs and evidences such as these are only apparent to those who look for them. To anyone else it's really a useless example. Maybe it's for the better.

To continue arguing would get neither of us anywhere. This much is certain. So, him to his and me to mine.

7EL7
10-19-2006, 06:31 PM
My truth comes from what I read and again, the fact that I consider the contrasts and parables in what I read and the way it directly relates to life itself as common sense. Therefore, I believe in it.


In the end, I'll still believe what I believe

My truth comes from what I read


it would be humble of you to speak about what you Believe as what it truly is
A BELIEF

Not Fact
Not Truth
But Belief


To prove something like this is near impossible to someone that has little to no faith in the unseen.


are you saying that you have proof of the unseen but i'm such a hopeless disbeliever that even if you did explain and prove it i still wouldn't get it ?

BE - LIE



Could you convince someone who thinks that we're all alone in this vast universe until some U.F.O.s came down and shook hands or tentacles with him?

i say its very possible that life exist in this vast universe
i also say thats its very possible that UFOs came down and shook hands already

Its all possible

does it stop me from my everyday ?

is this possibility causing me to look at others who may say that it is impossible as infidels,morons,and hopeless ?



No. He'd have to think for himself and believe that this universe is entirely too vast and our astronomers still know far too little about it to assume that we're the only intelligent beings in the universe.


you typed the magic words right there


and spare me these wanna be-e-thugs that think just because you speak batter than they do that you're not "keepin' it real."

Lol - o no -

you can be very articulate without sounding like kermit the frog in tight jeans

Urban_Journalz
10-20-2006, 12:50 AM
Like I said, I'm through.

7EL7
10-20-2006, 01:15 AM
Like I said, I'm through.

you said that like 7 times already you liar

you were through when you typed your first word here

where do these dookie box niggas come from }:T

Urban_Journalz
10-20-2006, 09:44 AM
^^Your 2 cents was in a long time ago. You have no place except to instigate. Mind your own and stop looking for attention.

snapple
10-20-2006, 10:37 AM
the lack of unity is this websites downfall, everyone needs to chill the fuck out and build get on some real shit this is know the ledge if you wanna be a faggot take it to the GD they eat that shit up

Urban_Journalz
10-20-2006, 04:39 PM
I totally concur.

7EL7
10-20-2006, 06:59 PM
shitty slushie is not allowed to be civil to a non believer of flying unseen beings with 420 pairs of wings

so Unity is out of the question

His Book says so

maestro wooz
10-20-2006, 07:14 PM
this thread is going in a good direction

osiris3000
10-25-2006, 01:14 PM
God is the all encompassing force that runs through all things we see manifested physically as well as what we don't see. Man is the supreme manifestation of that force as far as we know because our consciousness is supreme on this planet. "And God said, let us make man in our image and after our likeness." So if God is like man, man must be like God. The Original melaninated Black Man is the supreme being manifested because from the life germ of the original blackman and woman spring all the so-called races of "mankind." Science proves this. Since the first man/woman was of african descent, And melanin is the chemical key to the universe that causes blacks to be more in tune with the force or spirit that we call GOD, naturally. thats why u say Soul Food or Godfather of Soul. That doesnt mean that other races can't tune in it just implies that blacks have a more natural capability. This is the problem that most westerners have bcuz looking at the present state of Africans worldwide its hard to fathom that they are the fathers and mothers of all forms of civilization on this planet. The only true religion if thats what u want to call it is knowledge of self. All religions in their purest form were supposed to link u back to the "force", Allah, Yahweh, whatever. Everything is within, including the kingdom of heaven, just consult JC. The mythology of a religion created in its time for the people of that timeis supposed to open up faculties in your mind to link u back. The ancient kemetians/egyptians knew this. Heiroglyphs. The problem is when outsiders misunderstood and started literalizing everything. Some out of ignorance and others for the sake of control. The trick is to get u to rely on "things" outside of "self" 4 salvation. If u don't know that u are GOD you're already lost.

7EL7
10-25-2006, 01:29 PM
a vision of what africa was before it was plundered

7EL7
10-25-2006, 02:19 PM
the kings of Africa raped and pilaged as much if not more than the white man did........Africa was never great(cept egypt and thats more arab now.) there was tyranny b4 the white man arrived.



why should i believe you ?

Ultimate Fist
10-25-2006, 09:43 PM
LOL both of you are full of shit. African kings were pretty isolated from one another so plundering/rape would have been rare even if they wanted it. And no black people believing themselves to be god is not what life was like before dispora. Name one African country with a sizeable five-percenter population.

LHX
10-25-2006, 10:29 PM
nobody knows

nobody knows

we can all make guesses and read 'histories', but nobody knows

7EL7
10-25-2006, 11:20 PM
Who sold the slaves to the white man.

General wise lost


i'm not explaining this shit here again wtf

LORD NOSE
10-02-2012, 01:54 PM
and spare me these wanna be-e-thugs that think just because you speak batter than they do that you're not "keepin' it real."


lol


shitty slushie is not allowed to be civil to a non believer of flying unseen beings with 420 pairs of wings

so Unity is out of the question

His Book says so


lmao