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The Last Sage
11-17-2006, 02:57 PM
I read an article the other day in the American History magazine about the NOI. It talked about its beginnings in Detroit, a pretty good article. At the end it talked about Fard and how today's NOI does'nt like to talk about him because he was very light-skinned. Why is this a problem? Why is it a problem in the black community between light skinned and dark skinned? I'm white and to me, black is black. Maybe some one can enlighten me. I'm just a white boy from the midwest but I have respect for the NOI and the 5% nation and I study black history. Please give me your comments.

Black Man
11-17-2006, 03:13 PM
The NOI doesn't have a hard time talking about him. Everything they do is in his name. He is their Allah.

abasi
11-17-2006, 04:33 PM
i read a little on Fard
a read a few of Dr. York's books
to me its sounds like Dr. York doesnt like Islam
because he pointed out that Fard was a con man
and he had a lot of negative things to say towards Fard and NOI

Dirk Daring
11-17-2006, 04:47 PM
initially Fard did not want Elijah to call him the God in person or talk about him especially when he was still the head of the Nation of Islam. Now I dont know why they do not credit him for the teachings that was brought to the Black Bottom in 1930 but I guess you will never know.

the Nation of Islam don't or should not advocate the darker you are the better I mean hey, Farrakhan was light skinned along with malcolm x and Elijah Muhammad was not that dark skinned either....in additon this Nation of Islam is under the watch of Louise Farrakhan so whatever he says goes.

abasi
11-17-2006, 04:52 PM
Louise?

Ultimate Fist
11-17-2006, 08:44 PM
I read an article the other day in the American History magazine about the NOI. It talked about its beginnings in Detroit, a pretty good article. At the end it talked about Fard and how today's NOI does'nt like to talk about him because he was very light-skinned. Why is this a problem? Why is it a problem in the black community between light skinned and dark skinned? I'm white and to me, black is black. Maybe some one can enlighten me. I'm just a white boy from the midwest but I have respect for the NOI and the 5% nation and I study black history. Please give me your comments.

Actually his lightness was seen as a sign. In their theology, God came as a light skinned black to teach brothers that darkerer wasn't necessarily better. Black is black no matter the complextion.

LHX
11-17-2006, 09:05 PM
Black is black no matter the complextion.

this = jewel

7EL7
11-18-2006, 04:56 AM
I read an article the other day in the American History magazine about the NOI. It talked about its beginnings in Detroit, a pretty good article. At the end it talked about Fard and how today's NOI does'nt like to talk about him because he was very light-skinned. Why is this a problem? Why is it a problem in the black community between light skinned and dark skinned? I'm white and to me, black is black. Maybe some one can enlighten me. I'm just a white boy from the midwest but I have respect for the NOI and the 5% nation and I study black history. Please give me your comments.


Todays NOI doesn't like to talk about him ?


either you are an government agent, or you are ignorant to what todays NOI is all about -

7EL7
11-18-2006, 05:00 AM
The NOI doesn't have a hard time talking about him. Everything they do is in his name. He is their Allah.

this is also misiformation


- the NOI's mission is to focus on uplifting the black man in america and abroad - and has been doing so so over 70 years - has the number 1 drug treatment program in america - has the number one success rate in transforming the devils niggers into productive self loving black women and men -

7EL7
11-18-2006, 05:02 AM
i read a little on Fard
a read a few of Dr. York's books
to me its sounds like Dr. York doesnt like Islam
because he pointed out that Fard was a con man
and he had a lot of negative things to say towards Fard and NOI


i'm shure he has his X though

went to the mosque #7 or 7c and felt that he could do a better job

took it to another level but left out some key parts

and is now suffering for it

Kephrem
11-18-2006, 05:06 AM
Don't let Apsu fool you into having compassion for Chief Thunderbird Rizq-El. Yeah Dr. Pork is suffering alright, but he's actually lucky in that he is still alive. Because in his homeland of Sudan (lol) he would've been put to death a long time ago for what he did to those little boys.

7EL7
11-18-2006, 05:07 AM
initially Fard did not want Elijah to call him the God in person or talk about him especially when he was still the head of the Nation of Islam. Now I dont know why they do not credit him for the teachings that was brought to the Black Bottom in 1930 but I guess you will never know.


who is it "they" do not credit ?

are you saying that todays NOI aka Nation of Islam doesn't acknowledge Master Fard Muhammad for his accomplishment here in the wilderness of north america ?

the Nation of Islam don't or should not advocate the darker

what are you talking about man - are you saying the Nation of Islam advocates darker over lighter ?


you are the better I mean hey, Farrakhan was light skinned along with malcolm x and Elijah Muhammad was not that dark skinned either....in additon this Nation of Islam is under the watch of Louise Farrakhan so whatever he says goes.


Louise ?

who the hell is that ?


stop stating your stuff as fact because its far from that

7EL7
11-18-2006, 05:08 AM
Don't let Apsu fool you into having compassion for Chief Thunderbird Rizq-El. Yeah Dr. Pork is suffering alright, but he's actually lucky in that he is still alive. Because in his homeland of Sudan (lol) he would've been put to death a long time ago for what he did to those little boys.

this is another fool,agent,sellout, who can be paid to sell his own brothers out

tell this fool anything about his brother and he is willing to hang him for you



coon for hire

Kephrem
11-18-2006, 05:12 AM
Speaking of agents, Apsu tell everyone about Imam Issa (that everyone knows you to be fond of) and his slandering of the NOI and Fard Muhammad over the years.

7EL7
11-18-2006, 05:14 AM
Imam Isa aka Dr.York
had alot of foul shit to say about the NoI and Fard Muhammad -

but not as much as you

Kephrem
11-18-2006, 05:23 AM
I never wrote a whole book(let) about the NOI questioning their doctrine, your Dr. York however did.

7EL7
11-18-2006, 05:41 AM
I never wrote a whole book(let) about the NOI questioning their doctrine, your Dr. York however did.

he wrote a whole book on "them" and you read it ?


tell us the title of this book oh worshipper of dead things

Kephrem
11-18-2006, 03:48 PM
Can't you read? I said the NOI, not "them".

Dr. Malachi Z. York Debates With Nation Of Islam Scroll Series 21


tell us the title of this book oh worshipper of dead things

Who remembers when this cat used to post those funny ass alien drawings and scanned pages off that convicted pedophile's Malachi Z York's books? Yet he think's he mighty enough to suggest Black Jesus Christ is dead. You're going to pay for that one heathen.

V4D3R
11-18-2006, 04:00 PM
I'm telling you this nigga is possed by something or is under Yorks spell or nutsack.

Telling me I'm searching for a man?


Now Sunny calling anybody that speaks agaisnt York an agent. Get your mind right. And how can you say York isen't rascist? You stopped talking to a white Nuwaubian last year because you found out he was white. Be a hyprocite all you want but I will call you out for your lies and misleading of people with false doctrine?

What has York done for Nuwaubians where their children didnt have to pay a "price"?

God is within you people. God isent in the 19th galaxy or Niburu coming to rescue 9 ether dark melanin folk. Folk that supposedly used to be green and are now a rusty black color because of the iron in thier blood,, etc. ect - all according to Dwight York.

These Nuwaub fools the other day where trying to tell me I'm a goverment agent. Trying to tell me I'm a sell-out whatnot.

Fools/heathens that preach false doctrine to the 12 Tribes have one thing to look forward to- God's Wrath.

Kephrem
11-18-2006, 04:09 PM
tell us the title of this book oh worshipper of dead things


After Ea killed Apsū, he began to dwell inside of the dead god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsu


You were saying, oh worshipper of dead things?

7EL7
11-18-2006, 07:14 PM
Can't you read? I said the NOI, not "them".

Dr. Malachi Z. York Debates With Nation Of Islam Scroll Series 21




Who remembers when this cat used to post those funny ass alien drawings and scanned pages off that convicted pedophile's Malachi Z York's books? Yet he think's he mighty enough to suggest Black Jesus Christ is dead. You're going to pay for that one heathen.

the fuck are you talking about church lady ?

you drunk on the sabbath again ?

7EL7
11-18-2006, 07:20 PM
I'm telling you this nigga is possed by something or is under Yorks spell or nutsack.

Telling me I'm searching for a man?


Now Sunny calling anybody that speaks agaisnt York an agent. Get your mind right. And how can you say York isen't rascist?


You stopped talking to a white Nuwaubian last year because you found out he was white. Be a hyprocite all you want but I will call you out for your lies and misleading of people with false doctrine?

What has York done for Nuwaubians where their children didnt have to pay a "price"?

God is within you people. God isent in the 19th galaxy or Niburu coming to rescue 9 ether dark melanin folk. Folk that supposedly used to be green and are now a rusty black color because of the iron in thier blood,, etc. ect - all according to Dwight York.

These Nuwaub fools the other day where trying to tell me I'm a goverment agent. Trying to tell me I'm a sell-out whatnot.

Fools/heathens that preach false doctrine to the 12 Tribes have one thing to look forward to- God's Wrath.


another church lady talking shit they can't back up



You stopped talking to a white Nuwaubian last year because you found out he was white.

YOU ARE A BIG FUCKING LIER - i don't talk to or with white people ?

who is this white nuwaubian you speak of ?



God is within you people. God isent in the 19th galaxy or Niburu coming to rescue 9 ether dark melanin folk. Folk that supposedly used to be green and are now a rusty black color because of the iron in thier blood,, etc. ect - all according to Dwight York.


i cannot believe that Vader the space cadet wrote this - this is the church lady thats always seeing UFOS and shit -


Fools/heathens that preach false doctrine to the 12 Tribes have one thing to look forward to- God's Wrath.


you are spooked out, fucked up, and assed out.

7EL7
11-18-2006, 07:24 PM
After Ea killed Apsū, he began to dwell inside of the dead god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsu


You were saying, oh worshipper of dead things?


you and your fucking annoying ass wiki links lol -

The apsū (also known as abzu or engur) was the name for the mythological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythological) underground freshwater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freshwater) ocean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean) in Sumerian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_mythology) and Akkadian mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_mythology). Lakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake), springs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_water), rivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River), wells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_well), and other sources of fresh water were thought to draw their water from the apsū.


you pick out one of the many meanings and run into a wall forehead first with it - because you are retarded -

Sun-APSU
Mercury-MUMMU
Venus-LAHAMU
Mars-LAHMU
TIAMAT
Jupiter-KISHAR
Saturn-ANSHAR
Pluto-GAGA
Uranus-ANU
Neptune-NUDIMMUD (EA)






Kephrem - shut the fuck up - cause you're stupid

Ultimate Fist
11-18-2006, 08:23 PM
Back on subject I gotta warn you kid, its hard to get accurate info on Fard. Almost nothing he said or did was documented. Even the Supreme Wisdom, a book attributed to him, was published after he died, so we don't even know if he wrote that. He taught almost everything orally. I hear he did publish a pamphlet but I forget what it was called. Most everything on him is rumor or religious doctrine. You have to be careful what you believe. Here's what you'll hear a lot (and I can't say for certain what is true):
ORIGINS
*He was Polynesian (supposedly a man with a similar name entered the country with a Philipino passport)
*He was Lebanese and used the Filipino passport
*He was black and was born Wallace Ford, the son of slaves.
*NOI DOCTRINE: He was sent from Mecca to reawaken black people to Islam.
HIS MOTIVATIONS
*That he was God (NOI DOCTRINE)
*He was an atheist who created the Nation to mock religion and inspire black nationalism (A book published called: In Search Of Farakhan)
*He was schizophrenic (Inside The Nation Of Islam)
*He was in it for money (In Search Of Farakhan- based on his charging money for a "righteous name."
HIS LAST DAYS
*NOI: He returned to Mecca and left Elijah Muhammad in charge. (I think... correct me if I'm wrong)
*Elijah Muhammad murdered him either for money or because he claimed Elijah was born out of wedlock (In Search Of Farakhan- I doubt this because Elijah named his son after Fard.)
*He was killed by a rival religious leader and never found. Elijah Muhammad took over. (Inside The Nation Of Islam)
* He became a mainstream muslim and moved to California (Elijah Muhammad's son, Warith Deen. I have found no conclusive proof of this.)

7EL7
11-18-2006, 10:16 PM
Back on subject I gotta warn you kid, its hard to get accurate info on Fard. Almost nothing he said or did was documented. Even the Supreme Wisdom, a book attributed to him, was published after he died, so we don't even know if he wrote that. He taught almost everything orally. I hear he did publish a pamphlet but I forget what it was called. Most everything on him is rumor or religious doctrine. You have to be careful what you believe. Here's what you'll hear a lot (and I can't say for certain what is true):
ORIGINS
*He was Polynesian (supposedly a man with a similar name entered the country with a Philipino passport)
*He was Lebanese and used the Filipino passport
*He was black and was born Wallace Ford, the son of slaves.
*NOI DOCTRINE: He was sent from Mecca to reawaken black people to Islam.
HIS MOTIVATIONS
*That he was God (NOI DOCTRINE)
*He was an atheist who created the Nation to mock religion and inspire black nationalism (A book published called: In Search Of Farakhan)
*He was schizophrenic (Inside The Nation Of Islam)
*He was in it for money (In Search Of Farakhan- based on his charging money for a "righteous name."
HIS LAST DAYS
*NOI: He returned to Mecca and left Elijah Muhammad in charge. (I think... correct me if I'm wrong)
*Elijah Muhammad murdered him either for money or because he claimed Elijah was born out of wedlock (In Search Of Farakhan- I doubt this because Elijah named his son after Fard.)
*He was killed by a rival religious leader and never found. Elijah Muhammad took over. (Inside The Nation Of Islam)
* He became a mainstream muslim and moved to California (Elijah Muhammad's son, Warith Deen. I have found no conclusive proof of this.)


did you read the fbi sheets on him ?

you can read what they recorded online right ?


n/m here it is right here


http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/fard.htm



do you believe what they say about him ?

Ultimate Fist
11-18-2006, 10:30 PM
My computer's dial up so I only downloaded part of it.

I had heard he was a silk salesman. This is probably true as both the Nation and FBI say it (I believe that the Nation teaches he sold silk to prove he was from the East where silk is popular) I doubt he was involved in rackateering. I really don't think he was a crook though that would explain him disappearing in the night (retaliation killing). In all honesty, and I dont want to offend anyone, I think he was probably a schizophrenic who had some political ideas. Schizophrenics can be very charismatic and can have good ideas in spite of their illness. Elijah Muhammad organized his ideas in a more logical manner and helped make the NOI into an efficiet organization.

Kephrem
11-18-2006, 11:16 PM
the fuck are you talking about church lady ?


Once again you prove how much of an effeminate fool you truely are (yes, I called you a faggot, like father (http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/%A5Artist%20GIF%20Images/Dr-York-7.jpg) like son I guess) . Best believe there ain't no "church ladies" ANYWHERE speaking of a Black Jesus Christ coming back to kill people.

Stop trying to regurgitate what you would typically say to some so-called Christian cat, cuz I ain't the one black devil.

Kephrem
11-18-2006, 11:26 PM
you and your fucking annoying ass wiki links lol -

The apsū (also known as abzu or engur) was the name for the mythological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythological) underground freshwater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freshwater) ocean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean) in Sumerian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_mythology) and Akkadian mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_mythology). Lakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake), springs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_water), rivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River), wells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_well), and other sources of fresh water were thought to draw their water from the apsū.


you pick out one of the many meanings


You're a slow ass dumb dog. A Dingbat ass nigga. lol. Obviously I was answering your stupid monkey ass that brought up "worshipping dead things", when I came to find out that in the mythology of Apsu he's a DEAD GOD. Now go put that in your pipe and smoke it, faggot.

V4D3R
11-18-2006, 11:43 PM
Sunny - quit flip-flopping. You dont hold any more weight with the pedophile theories. York got some of you so fucked up you would threaten to kill and who testify agaisnt him during his trial. Killing for this MAN.

So who am I looking for again Sunny? Which man you think I'm looking for now? Actually - why do you keep talking about homosexual shit whenever i mention God within you? Did York find you at a tender young age? Get that man's poison out of you nigga. Get Yorks dick out your fuckin ass and mouth.

7EL7
11-19-2006, 01:02 AM
My computer's dial up so I only downloaded part of it.

I had heard he was a silk salesman. This is probably true as both the Nation and FBI say it (I believe that the Nation teaches he sold silk to prove he was from the East where silk is popular) I doubt he was involved in rackateering. I really don't think he was a crook though that would explain him disappearing in the night (retaliation killing). In all honesty, and I dont want to offend anyone, I think he was probably a schizophrenic who had some political ideas. Schizophrenics can be very charismatic and can have good ideas in spite of their illness. Elijah Muhammad organized his ideas in a more logical manner and helped make the NOI into an efficiet organization.

who really knows ?

7EL7
11-19-2006, 01:06 AM
Once again you prove how much of an effeminate fool you truely are (yes, I called you a faggot, like father (http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/%A5Artist%20GIF%20Images/Dr-York-7.jpg) like son

church lady is confused as fuck but entertaining at the same time


I guess)


you do alot of this


. Best believe there ain't no "church ladies" ANYWHERE speaking of a Black Jesus Christ coming back to kill people.

in the famous words of lil john

> WHAT !????? <


Stop trying to regurgitate what you would typically say to some so-called Christian cat, cuz I ain't the one black devil.

you are the one - you are church lady number one
church lady number 2 (2 post below you) is also entertaining

7EL7
11-19-2006, 01:09 AM
You're a slow ass dumb dog. A Dingbat ass nigga. lol.


awww he type lol while he was really c r eyeing
poor poor poor church lady


Obviously I was answering your stupid monkey ass that brought up "worshipping dead things", when I came to find out that in the mythology of Apsu he's a DEAD GOD. Now go put that in your pipe and smoke it, faggot.


put that in my pipe and smoke it - wow -
stupid monkey ass ?
now thats how you insult someone

V4D3R
11-19-2006, 04:01 AM
Sunny yo- stop coming on here drinking and posting. I want the you that wont drink and the one that has reason and the one that doesnt want this to go on.

You want to bring peace and unity to God's poeple. See - it's a good comparision what this Nuwaubian Tamhu came up to me once. He compared the Vader charactor to Horus. Well in the end of the old ways...Vader took the Sith Emperor and threw him down the pit. Heru finaly defeated seth. We have both sides inside on us. Choose the good or bad. You need to stop calling God's people - church ladies and making it personal. We all need to give this a break and think about how this happened. I do see some dissension and division.

The Tower of Babylon was built to reach "God". The God I speak of doesnt care if we reach Towers to reach him. The truth is the tower of babel was more about humans making Shem basck then to reach the stars - a luxury only afforded by the alien race that gave us religion and confused our languages.

These same aliens/demons might be in power - Sunny would agree. They found a way to break us the fuck down with things we know break us down. Mordern day Willy Lynch tactics along with the use of mind-control in many different ways, maybe some of the doctrine we search for answers for do something to confuse. Thats why I'm strongly advocating a one on one convo with the MOST High. It doesnt have to be through Jesus Christ like the Xtians do it - not at all. You can meditate to God. The key to start your relationship with him is to sit and pray and call on the Greatest one of the universe. The Boss of all Bosses thats attached to everything alive or in a dead state. Seek that and you'll feel what power HE/SHE/It has. Bliss. Talk like your having the wisest of them all that wants to be there for you. He answers you spiritualy. The Holy Spirit ignighted in you will give god's children different gifts. Me intution comes in floods. I have called down bright lights from the sky. Doubting this All Mighty Power or even wanting communion with Him is something your missing out on.

Jesus' only mission here was to teach of the truth of this. For all of us to become like him is his Christsoul state. He told us that the Kingdom of Heaven is within everybody - white/black/brown/yello/red.

No more in-fighting. No more damaging others way of reaching God. I'm here to bring peace to you all - God's sons and daughters. Not matter how you attain him - you must bring our numbers higher. It's a battle for spirits we got going on. Lucifer is the one confusing alot these days. People dont know what to read or who to listen to I eep hearing and reading.

YOU ONLY NEED GOD IN YOUR LIFE. OPEN YOUR HEART TO "THE GREAT I AM".

MEN'S BOOKS CAN/WILL CAUSE YOU GREAT STRIFE AND THE MIND OF A YOUNG SOUL ISENT READY FOR THE CONFUSION THAT LUCIFER GOT OUT THERE. IT DIVIDES AND CONQUERS.

Dirk Daring
11-20-2006, 10:21 PM
Louise lol that was a typo.... so what

it is an Actual Fact that the Nation of Islam is under Farrakhan's watch,

It is also an Actual Fact that Fard told Elijah Muhammad not to talk about him (Fard) but to give the babies "a little milk" this is what Elijah said out of his own mouth you can accept it or reject it.

and in regards to the statement of Darker over lighter...read his(the Honorable Elijah Muhammad) books.

Black Man
11-21-2006, 10:30 AM
Louise lol that was a typo.... so what

it is an Actual Fact that the Nation of Islam is under Farrakhan's watch,

It is also an Actual Fact that Fard told Elijah Muhammad not to talk about him (Fard) but to give the babies "a little milk" this is what Elijah said out of his own mouth you can accept it or reject it.

and in regards to the statement of Darker over lighter...read his(the Honorable Elijah Muhammad) books.

Your statement is not accurate. It is not an actual fact that the nation of islam is under farrakhan. The nation of islam has no "leader."

froth
11-22-2006, 06:22 PM
Don't let Apsu fool you into having compassion for Chief Thunderbird Rizq-El. Yeah Dr. Pork is suffering alright, but he's actually lucky in that he is still alive. Because in his homeland of Sudan (lol) he would've been put to death a long time ago for what he did to those little boys.
word

froth
11-22-2006, 06:23 PM
anybody that defends York, i just dont even take them seriously at all

7EL7
11-22-2006, 06:27 PM
oh shit - a nigga named froth with a hall of gay sig won't take you serious if you defend York



http://njsr.org/pics/albums/userpics/10222/FROTH.jpg

who gives a fuck

froth
11-22-2006, 06:27 PM
its a forum and i can voice my opinion

7EL7
11-22-2006, 06:30 PM
its a forum and i can voice my opinion


and you voiced your opinion

froth
11-22-2006, 06:32 PM
im tired of your devilishness

7EL7
11-22-2006, 06:32 PM
im tired of your devilishness


so go to sleep

froth
11-22-2006, 06:39 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2f/PassionDwightYork.jpg/250px-PassionDwightYork.jpg

7EL7
11-22-2006, 07:11 PM
i can post pictures too

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6145/soulsonicforce1tj7.gif

froth
11-22-2006, 07:12 PM
http://www.thecorpse.com/forums/uploads/post-1809-1164240742.gif

7EL7
11-22-2006, 07:15 PM
yeah thats your god


and...

Kephrem
11-24-2006, 06:04 PM
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