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7EL7
11-21-2006, 09:50 AM
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LOS ANGELES - He called two black hecklers the “n-word” and enthusiastically referenced a time when blacks were often victims of civil rights abuses, but Michael Richards said his verbal barrage during a stand-up routine was fueled by anger and not bigotry.



“For me to be at a comedy club and flip out and say this crap, I’m deeply, deeply sorry,” the former “Seinfeld” co-star said during a satellite appearance for David Letterman’s “Late Show” in New York.
“I’m not a racist. That’s what’s so insane about this,” Richards said, his tone becoming angry and frustrated as he defended himself.






http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15816126/




He Got Angry and called them Niggers ?



LMAO !




http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1772645

snapple
11-21-2006, 10:09 AM
hmm i guess thats why his career never blew up, that devil is not funny. and he is in denile....pathetic

Black Man
11-21-2006, 10:21 AM
Did anybody see his apology? Oh, and by the way, racism is alive and kicking. We don't need to talk about the past because we have current events that reflect the attitudes of the past. And "kramer" is a shriner mason.

iniquity
11-21-2006, 12:34 PM
.. that show was racist period ! .. remember the episode they had about the puerto rican parade? ..

Black Man
11-21-2006, 12:59 PM
.. that show was racist period ! .. remember the episode they had about the puerto rican parade? ..


True dat....and how you have a show in new york and you can count the black people that's been on the show (extras included) on one hand.

Sicka than aidZ
11-21-2006, 02:54 PM
i dont know id accept his apology but he'z gotta put in mad work to win any respect from me but im not black. he pissed off a grip of white folkz too, soundz like he needz help

Black Man
11-21-2006, 03:12 PM
When was the last time you saw/heard a person other than white do what he's done?

And the so-called racial slurs that people of color call white people are not racist terms but actuall terms of people in specific positions. Cracker is not rooted in racism, its what the person who did the whipping was actually called. The cracker would take a bull whip and beat people with his whip and the sound that it created was a crack, thus the person doing it was called a cracker.

Have you heard/seen his apology?

Sicka than aidZ
11-21-2006, 03:15 PM
Dont get me wrong....what he said was wrong 100%. But lets not act like he is the 1st to do so or the last.....ppl from every race say racist shit.....


yeah, i forgave u an u didnt apologize but shit i respect you again cuz u aint goin outta your way to justify yourself by talkin more shit. your bein cool about it , your like helping end this stupid shit in a way. i dont give a fuck if u talk shit, u can fuckin say what u want about crack or not havin a job its a forum so u know shit happenz just dont dis my people or my friendz on this forum cuz of racial differences. u know that shit doesnt go away and pisses everyone off. peace ed, take it how u wanna

Sicka than aidZ
11-21-2006, 03:21 PM
When was the last time you saw/heard a person other than white do what he's done?

And the so-called racial slurs that people of color call white people are not racist terms but actuall terms of people in specific positions. Cracker is not rooted in racism, its what the person who did the whipping was actually called. The cracker would take a bull whip and beat people with his whip and the sound that it created was a crack, thus the person doing it was called a cracker.

Have you heard/seen his apology?

this is like what i was sayin to ed man "it doesnt matter",.. if it offendz people and promotez racism then itz racist. i doubt most white folkz care where the fuck the word is from, i know i dont. if u called me a cracker infront of otherz and they expected me to defend myself id be pissed cuz id be in the middle of this racial shit....again. i dont know i might read your next post but i ignore u 99% of the time cuz your just weird. staycool. peace

Black Man
11-21-2006, 03:28 PM
Who cares what the word is rooted in. It encites a racial response. It is used racially. It is a racist word. Honkey. Wetback. Spic. Whiteboy. Chink. Gook. Wop. Haji. Etc etc they are all used racially and are all racial slurs.......black ppl are not the only ones who feel racism you white fagit.

Who else feels racism? People of color? Yes of course. White people? I don't think so. Please tell me, in what areas of life are white people effected by racism? Politics? Education? Labor? Religion? Law enforcement? Where and when are white people effected by racism?

And since you don't know the origins of these words nor why they are used, out of ignorance all you can say is "black ppl are not the only ones who feel racism..."

snapple
11-21-2006, 03:42 PM
Did anybody see his apology? Oh, and by the way, racism is alive and kicking. We don't need to talk about the past because we have current events that reflect the attitudes of the past. And "kramer" is a shriner mason.

his apology is straight trash. fuck that, he said what he said, kozmo is a racist. peoples loved him, fuck that dude

Sicka than aidZ
11-21-2006, 03:55 PM
i didnt see him apologize but i saw the vid and it shocked the hell outta me. like watching a kkk meeting. im glad the audience left. ill bet he didnt get paid. i hope he didnt. he probably had to have the copz come and escort his dumbass threw the airport. dude he'z retarded i wish someone had thrown shit at him from the crowd i know i would have

snapple
11-21-2006, 03:59 PM
^^ he went back and performed again the same night man! how fucked up is that.

Dirty Knowledge
11-21-2006, 04:18 PM
What about a recent Chris Rock show I saw where he kept saying, to the delight of the crowd which chimed in and even finished the statement, "If it ain't white, it ain't right", and no body said nothing about that. What about aaaall the times when Chris Rock uses his racial stereotypes against white people? I see this type of shit when I watch BET Comic View all the time. "Cracker this, cracker that" "White people do this, isn't it funny when white people. . . " so why the fuck do people get so angry about Kramar or whoever the fuck this obviously dead-talent bum says? It's hypocritical if you ask me, with a capital h. Just because of slavery it's cool though for it to be vice-versa. I'm tired of hearing this shit because ever since I watched it in the thread yesterday I have seen it ALL over TV, people talking and even the paper. It's so fucking stupid. We got a war going on where African-Americans, Latin-American and Caucasians are being blown up equally and dying for (unjust?) causes yet EVERYONE INCLUDING FOX NEWS AND LETTERMAN? can take time to point out the fact that some fucking washed-up BUM called some hecklars a NIGGER? Hahaha, and you wonder why some people say "shit will never change".

Black Man
11-21-2006, 05:07 PM
^^ he went back and performed again the same night man! how fucked up is that.

what does that say to you?

Black Man
11-21-2006, 05:14 PM
What about a recent Chris Rock show I saw where he kept saying, to the delight of the crowd which chimed in and even finished the statement, "If it ain't white, it ain't right", and no body said nothing about that. What about aaaall the times when Chris Rock uses his racial stereotypes against white people? I see this type of shit when I watch BET Comic View all the time. "Cracker this, cracker that" "White people do this, isn't it funny when white people. . . " so why the fuck do people get so angry about Kramar or whoever the fuck this obviously dead-talent bum says? It's hypocritical if you ask me, with a capital h. Just because of slavery it's cool though for it to be vice-versa. I'm tired of hearing this shit because ever since I watched it in the thread yesterday I have seen it ALL over TV, people talking and even the paper. It's so fucking stupid. We got a war going on where African-Americans, Latin-American and Caucasians are being blown up equally and dying for (unjust?) causes yet EVERYONE INCLUDING FOX NEWS AND LETTERMAN? can take time to point out the fact that some fucking washed-up BUM called some hecklars a NIGGER? Hahaha, and you wonder why some people say "shit will never change".

As far as these comedians, what they say and do, how does that effect white people directly? When I see chris rock, I don't see black people in his audience anymore, I see white people, same thing with chappelle and all the other black comedic greats.

And caucasians are not being blown up equally and dying at an equal rate as blacks and latinos.

Black Man
11-21-2006, 05:17 PM
white ppl dont get hand outs and that is racist.....affirmitive action is racist.

white people get hand outs, its called welfare(among other things), and there's more white people getting that handout than any other group of people. and affirmitive action, where does that exist, and how is it racist? every state don't have "affirmitive action."

Yasir Allah
11-21-2006, 05:32 PM
Peace

Now this Kramer guy is Jewish, so I would like to know what would story would be if a black comedian said "you fucking jews should have stayed in the gas chambers" or "hitler should have killed all of you"....

hmmmmm.

And you white people, I mean damn, just stop replying to Black topics! You don't study history before you speak on topics and you approach EVERYTHING from a white supremacist, elitist perspective. Just face the fact that you don't have the same problems today's black people have. You (meaning the collective white race) have done your part to get what you wanted from us and destroy us mentally just sit and enjoy the benefits of being a white male in Amerikkka.

I don't expect you to understand I knew most white people would say "oh it's not a big deal"

LHX
11-21-2006, 06:34 PM
everybody is wasting their energy discussing this


this shit is cancerous

Sicka than aidZ
11-21-2006, 06:40 PM
i wouldnt say cancerous but itz definantly a waste of time

hidden ninja
11-21-2006, 06:41 PM
i liked the end when he's trying to save face "these words... these words" hahaha

Black Man
11-21-2006, 07:04 PM
everybody is wasting their energy discussing this


this shit is cancerous

what should be discussed that isn't wasting energy?

abasi
11-21-2006, 07:41 PM
Maybe we should be discussing the supposed war in iraq or maybe south korea or curruption in politics its all a waste of time, and maybe affirmative action is racist(I don't know) but it wouldn't be nessessary if eveything was equal

7EL7
11-21-2006, 10:22 PM
Dont get me wrong....what he said was wrong 100%. But lets not act like he is the 1st to do so or the last.....ppl from every race say racist shit.....


but everyone from every race can't tell another that 50 years ago we would have hung you upside down and stuck a fork in your ass - white/pink people have done that to every race on the planet in the name of white supremacy -

all peoples can call names

LHX
11-21-2006, 10:28 PM
what should be discussed that isn't wasting energy?
exactly

7EL7
11-21-2006, 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=655357#post655357)
When was the last time you saw/heard a person other than white do what he's done?Anytime a white celebrity or someone we all know does it its plaster on the net and the tv screen for us to pick apart.....when a black person does it it gets printed on page 12 of the newspaper of is hardly shown on TV. Dont act like black ppl dont say racist shite.


BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALL EQUAL IN AMERICA
PLUS WHITE PEOPLE HAVE A HISTORY OF DESTROYING PEOPLE - SO NO ONE FEELS SORRY WHEN A BLACK MAN OR WOMAN CALLS A WHITE/PINK PERSON CRACKER OR DEVIL - THOSE NAMES/TITLES FIT HIS DESCRIPTION

THEY ARE CALLED DEVIL BECAUSE OF THEIR HISTORY OF DEVILISHMENT - AND THE NAME CRACKER WAS ALREADY EXPLAINED TO YOU


NOW - TELL US - WHY WERE/ARE BLACK PEOPLE GIVEN THE NAMES NIGGERS AND COONS IN THE FIRST PLACE ?





Who cares what the word is rooted in. It encites a racial response. It is used racially. It is a racist word. Honkey. Wetback. Spic. Whiteboy. Chink. Gook. Wop. Haji. Etc etc they are all used racially and are all racial slurs.......black ppl are not the only ones who feel racism you white fagit.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WHITE PEOPLE FEEL RACISM ? LOL

LHX
11-21-2006, 10:33 PM
of course white people feel discrimination

7EL7
11-21-2006, 10:36 PM
What about a recent Chris Rock show I saw where he kept saying, to the delight of the crowd which chimed in and even finished the statement, "If it ain't white, it ain't right", and no body said nothing about that. What about aaaall the times when Chris Rock uses his racial stereotypes against white people? I see this type of shit when I watch BET Comic View all the time. "Cracker this, cracker that" "White people do this, isn't it funny when white people. . . " so why the fuck do people get so angry about Kramar or whoever the fuck this obviously dead-talent bum says? It's hypocritical if you ask me, with a capital h. Just because of slavery it's cool though for it to be vice-versa. I'm tired of hearing this shit because ever since I watched it in the thread yesterday I have seen it ALL over TV, people talking and even the paper. It's so fucking stupid. We got a war going on where African-Americans, Latin-American and Caucasians are being blown up equally and dying for (unjust?) causes yet EVERYONE INCLUDING FOX NEWS AND LETTERMAN? can take time to point out the fact that some fucking washed-up BUM called some hecklars a NIGGER? Hahaha, and you wonder why some people say "shit will never change".



CHRIS ROCK USED TO GET BEAT UP ROBBED AND DAM NEAR TORTURED FOR BEING ONE OF THE FEW DARK SKIN BLACK BOYS IN HIS SCHOOL - HE WAS TREATED THIS WAY BECAUSE HE IS BLACK -


BECAUSE BLACK AND WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL IN AMERICA - WHITE PEOPLE CLEARLY HAVE THE UPPER HAND - PRESIDENT = WHITE = GOD = PAINTED WHITE JESUS = PAINTED WHITE = SANTA CLAUS = WHITE = MOSES = WHITE = SUPERMAN = WHITE = SPIDER MAN = WHITE = BATMAN = WHITE = RONALD MCDONALD = WHITE = THE FACES ON THE MONEY WHITE = AKA PINK - NO ONE FEELS SORRY WHEN THE LITTLE MAN WHO ALWAYS GOT PICKED ON FINALLY DECIDES TO WHOOP HIS BULLIES ASS

7EL7
11-21-2006, 10:37 PM
of course white people feel discrimination


BY WHO AND IN WHAT WAY -


AND IS THIS "feeling" REAL ?

7EL7
11-21-2006, 10:40 PM
white ppl dont get hand outs and that is racist.....affirmitive action is racist.


WHITE PEOPLE DON'T NEED HAND OUTS

THEY TAKE LAND OUTA PEOPLES HANDS AND CALL IT THEIR OWN

"THEIR" GOVERNMENT GIVES THE FUCKING HAND OUTS

AND THEY DESERVE TO HAND OVER SOMETHING TO ALL THESE PEOPLE THEY ROBBED AND MAMED - AND ITS STILL NOT ENOUGH - THERE IS NOTHING THAT "THEY" CAN GIVE TO PAY FOR THE DAMAGE "THEY" HAVE DONE

LHX
11-21-2006, 10:45 PM
when people are brought up to not discriminate and then find themselves getting accused of being responsible for acts of oppression that happened in history - that is discrimination

when institutions in this society are ordered to make policy decisions that are somehow trying to look 'politically correct' and hire person A rather than person B because of ethnicity - that is discrimination

ALTERNATIVELY (obviously) i have seen many cases occur the other way around

but it does exist both ways

LHX
11-21-2006, 10:47 PM
WHITE PEOPLE DON'T NEED HAND OUTS

THEY TAKE LAND OUTA PEOPLES HANDS AND CALL IT THEIR OWN

"THEIR" GOVERNMENT GIVES THE FUCKING HAND OUTS

AND THEY DESERVE TO HAND OVER SOMETHING TO ALL THESE PEOPLE THEY ROBBED AND MAMED - AND ITS STILL NOT ENOUGH - THERE IS NOTHING THAT "THEY" CAN GIVE TO PAY FOR THE DAMAGE "THEY" HAVE DONE
yeah all of them right?


did they deserve to get sent to live in caves too?

LHX
11-21-2006, 10:48 PM
everybody in the world needs a hand out

some people need land, some people need forgiveness

7EL7
11-21-2006, 10:52 PM
yeah all of them right?


did they deserve to get sent to live in caves too?


DO ALL ASIANS EAT RICE ?

WHEN PEOPLE SAY FUCK THE POLICE ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT THEIR UNCLE AND COUSIN WHO IS BOTH ON THE FORCE ?


IF YOU ARE WHITE AND YOU DON'T TAKE AN ADVANTAGE OF A WORLD THAT WAS BUILT TO PUT YOU ON TOP OVER ALL OTHE PEOPLE,
THEN YEAH - THEY NEED TO GO TO A CAVE - THEY MIGHT THRIVE THERE

born invincible
11-21-2006, 10:58 PM
And you white people, I mean damn, just stop replying to Black topics! You don't study history before you speak on topics and you approach EVERYTHING from a white supremacist, elitist perspective. Just face the fact that you don't have the same problems today's black people have. You (meaning the collective white race) have done your part to get what you wanted from us and destroy us mentally just sit and enjoy the benefits of being a white male in Amerikkka.

I don't expect you to understand I knew most white people would say "oh it's not a big deal"


ive noticed that white folks are routinely being put into the same category... me personally, have not done "my part" ... i have not/do not to detroy you mentally. and while you may think that i can sit back and enjoy the benefits of being white your wrong. i work just as hard as the next guy. at the end of the day... aint shit handed to me.

so please.. try not to put us all in the same "white devil" category...


as for this Kramer fool... hes obviously got some probelms. no matter how pissed he gets it doesnt justify droppin the N bomb... gettin heckled by the audience i believe comes with the comedy job. deal with it....

also... ive seen some rough comparisons to what he said and what black comedians say about white people and there is a big fuckin difference. im white... and i when i see chris rock or martin or whoever say white boy, cracker, etc... i dont get offended in the slightest way. why? cause its comedy.... its meant in a joking manner. what this fool Kramer said was out of hatred... it was not apart of his routine... it was his only comeback for a tough audience.

im suprised they didnt jump on stage and whoop his ass!!!

snapple
11-22-2006, 12:26 AM
would this be considerd a hate crime? i dont know much about that i avoid the police at all costs. this guy needs to donate some serious loot for pulling some shit like this. and "i'm sorry" i wouldn't accept from an 8 year old child.

Sicka than aidZ
11-22-2006, 03:43 AM
yo when i was a kid alot of nativez would beat the shit outta white kidz at my school. u know, 2'z a party and 3'z a crowd if u were white wit more than one native believe me your ass was gonna get fucked with. im sure all races go through the same shit.

Sicka than aidZ
11-22-2006, 03:47 AM
nevermind this is stupid. yall have fun. peace to born, snapple, LHX, ed, jasper, apsu, all yall a buncha orange letterz to me so i find it easy to get along wit yall. one

Wu-tang Fan
11-22-2006, 09:08 AM
Are you sure he survived that? Because I heard when you call a black person that they turn savage and maul their victim at all costs.

Black Man
11-22-2006, 10:14 AM
of course white people feel discrimination

discrimination and racism two different things with two different motives.

LHX
11-22-2006, 10:29 AM
discrimination and racism two different things with two different motives.
clear it up for those watching at home

Sexy Jasper
11-22-2006, 10:35 AM
HAHAAHAAAAAA!

That's a great reply.

Prolifical ENG
11-22-2006, 11:45 AM
Of course the old debate goes that "many white people are racist and don't even know it" and when they get angry it finally comes out. That video is what proves that theory and why it got elevated. This could be true. I wonder if I snapped at a black person if I would end up calling them the N-word just because thats the nastiest thing I could think of at the time? I have but never ended up saying it. Even in Die hard 2, Samuel kept on saying to Bruce when he got mad at him, "you were gonna say it [nigger] weren't you?"

A good comedian can come back and diss the hecklers and turn the whole crowd against them. However, he didn't have any material and ended up getting nasty. Even when the dude said he was washed up before he left, Richards still didn't have a decent comeback.

WARPATH
11-22-2006, 11:48 AM
white ppl dont get hand outs and that is racist.....affirmitive action is racist.

Affirmitive action is an effort to help impoverished peoples withing a nation, to bring them to the same level that white americans are on.

When whites stole lands from the Indians- the indians were left in an impoverished state.

When whites brough blacks over as slaves, they were left in an impoverished state.

Whites had the advantage then- and it set a class system today that many people can't break free from. So affirmitive action is the scapegoat for what white people did to minorities.

The law views Tribes as- Politcal bodies- or people with politcal interest. And because these -poltical bodies- were left improvished after they lost their lands, affirmitive action was the legal coarse of action to justify the taking of those lands.

That's why affirmitive action is legal in america, and it will always be legal. If affirmitive action became illegal, then many court cases regarding native americans would be reversed and America could lose land.

WARPATH
11-22-2006, 12:02 PM
when people are brought up to not discriminate and then find themselves getting accused of being responsible for acts of oppression that happened in history - that is discrimination

when institutions in this society are ordered to make policy decisions that are somehow trying to look 'politically correct' and hire person A rather than person B because of ethnicity - that is discrimination

ALTERNATIVELY (obviously) i have seen many cases occur the other way around

but it does exist both ways

White people today are not guilty for enslaving people or stealing land.

White peole today are guilty for not sharing or giving it back. They're guilty for putting up fences and saying- no tresspassing. They're guilty when they build bars on Native american meccas dispite the protesting Natives.

But-

That's the world we live in today. So that's why person B get's the job because of being a minority. It's the whites world justification tool.


And then again it all boils down to the individual's state of mind. Just because someone builds a building or set up a fence there doesn't mean a tornado, or flood or somthing won't come through and tear it down. So when if comes down to it- nobody owns shit.

Black Man
11-22-2006, 12:14 PM
Affirmitive action didn't start off as giving a fair chance to people of color. It had nothing to do with color.

LHX
11-22-2006, 12:27 PM
White people today are not guilty for enslaving people or stealing land. White peole today are guilty for not sharing or giving it back.

true

thats why i said in that other thread - the only way possible for things to be settled peacefully is to trade land for forgiveness

(but that wont happen)



And then again it all boils down to the individual's state of mind. Just because someone builds a building or set up a fence there doesn't mean a tornado, or flood or somthing won't come through and tear it down. So when if comes down to it- nobody owns shit.
true

but it sure seems like people own shit


fear of death is still that big looming threat that keeps everybody in line

you can get shot for acting the way you are supposed to

IrOnMaN
11-22-2006, 12:47 PM
Affirmitive action is an effort to help impoverished peoples withing a nation, to bring them to the same level that white americans are on.

When whites stole lands from the Indians- the indians were left in an impoverished state.

When whites brough blacks over as slaves, they were left in an impoverished state.

Whites had the advantage then- and it set a class system today that many people can't break free from. So affirmitive action is the scapegoat for what white people did to minorities.

The law views Tribes as- Politcal bodies- or people with politcal interest. And because these -poltical bodies- were left improvished after they lost their lands, affirmitive action was the legal coarse of action to justify the taking of those lands.

That's why affirmitive action is legal in america, and it will always be legal. If affirmitive action became illegal, then many court cases regarding native americans would be reversed and America could lose land.


You're an intelligent man, my friend. eD just got owned!

7EL7
11-22-2006, 12:54 PM
True ^ he left nothing unclear

INF
11-22-2006, 01:00 PM
And "kramer" is a shriner mason.


Can that be proven? Where did you find that at?

J.T.S.
11-22-2006, 01:03 PM
http://www.allhiphop.com/illseedpix/kkkramer.JPG

anti-social
11-22-2006, 01:20 PM
When Sasha Cohen, was talking about killing JEWS in his movies BORAT, people were saying that shit is not funny and how could he do that when he himself is a jew? but people forgot he was playing a role. racism exists. he proved that this country does not give a fuck about Racism, people will just laugh shit off. but when someone says nigger or let's kill them terrorists because a person has a beard like osama, majority of the people say fuck it....let's not concern ourselves with that....because we may waste energy. hahahahaha....sad, let's play us a wu tang song....

snapple
11-22-2006, 01:31 PM
^^bullshit pepople walked out of the movie. people at my campus when we would talk about it were getting fucking heated, and i dont really know any jewish people down here...but we all respected them and understood. playing a racist ignorant charcter in a movie is different then in real life. that wasn't kramer, that was a real comedy club, and a real audience.

snapple
11-22-2006, 01:39 PM
Affirmative action reserves positions in companies for minority's. Rather than be hired because of talent or skill they are hired because of their skin tone or ethnic background. Why would anyone even want to be an affirmative action hire....Would seem a bit degrading to me.

Anyway. The home I bought that was built in the 70's wasn't built by slaves so i feel the need to not share or give back anything.

Charging Soldier.........The Gila river Indians and Salt River Indians here in AZ sell their land to us for millions of dollars to have freewys built on them. Every month millions of white folk spend millions of dollars in the many casinos in AZ. Every month. Why are the reservations still poor in AZ? With all the money us white folk and the State and city Governments give them there should have been some sign of econmic reform by now....Sounds to me like a few elders are bogarting the cash flow.......


a bit degrading? hahhahaha yea man having a job would be real degrading...money sucks....who needs money when you have pride, get the fuck out of the desert for real

snapple
11-22-2006, 01:45 PM
to be hired because of skin color or ethinic background rather than be hired because you are the right person, qualified, educated and over all the best pick would be degrading......thats like hiring a chick to run the counter at the store because she has big titties.


wellwhen youre used to being degraded all your life, i think you might not give a fuck anymore, you need money to survive, and a job allows you to get that without going to jail or getting killed(depending on where you work) not everyone has the oppurtunitity to be educated and qualified, so they shouldn't have a chance?

snapple
11-22-2006, 01:52 PM
If you are not qualified for the job you shouldnt get it no matter what color you skin is......

As far as education goes last I checked public school was free you just have to show up. It even goes all the way to 12th grade. I mean 12 whole years of free school.....wow. That should get ppl going in the right direction. From there its kinda up to them.


hahahhhahahah eD you have no idea what public schools in NYC can be like man. big ups to kids who can survive that long in some of the public schools...yea sometimes you can be trying to show up to school, but other people wont let you make it there. ed you really just are ignroant to the entire problem and i think you should shut your mouth, you fail to see things in perspective man.

LHX
11-22-2006, 01:56 PM
i barely understand the 'do whatever it takes to live' point of view anymore

what we live in is fucked up

its a form of torture

death isnt worse than torture



(on a related note, i wouldnt be surprised to see Kramer do something to himself - he looks in rough shape
plus the fact his career is done and he is public enemy #1 right now)

anti-social
11-22-2006, 02:02 PM
Snapple...u missed my point, in america when someone makes fun of Jews or Israelis...it is not taken lightly....but when someone goes off on a rant about niggers and lynchin, sticking forks up asses from a jew people try to defend it...(not You)....jewish people should understnd oppression and for richards to be kicking that racist shit it is kinda shocking but i know how racist people from third world countries can be...i'm pakistani and people from pakistan are fearful of blacks and hispanics, simply because of ignorance. educating is the best way. but i see that majority of people on this site feel, we should not care about shit and deal with other things. the war in iraq is because of racism and classicm. blacks and latinos are dying at an alarming rate. then muslims are dying at an alarming rate at the other end of the stick. don't get me started on affirmative action.....these cowards birth hatred and sitback watch us kill eachother, whether it's on the internet or real life...:cop:

7EL7
11-22-2006, 02:28 PM
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9296/kkkramer2oy7.png




Its said the same thing happen last year


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Black Man
11-22-2006, 02:43 PM
clear it up for those watching at home

I see I'm needed again....

RACISM IS THE NORMALIZATION AND LEGITIMIZATION OF A MULTITIDE OF DYNAMICS SUCH AS HISTORICY, CULTURE, INSTITUTIONAL AND INTERPERSONAL THAT ROUTINELY GIVE THE ADVANTAGE TO WHITES AS A WHOLE PRODUCING CUMULATIVE AND CHRONIC ADVERSE OUTCOMES FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR(BLACK, BROWN, YELLOW, RED). IT IS A SYSTEM OF HIERARCHY AND INEQUITY, PRIMARILY CHARACTERIZED BY WHITE SUPREMACY GIVING THE PREFERED TREATMENT, PRIVELEGE AND POWER FOR WHITE PEOPLE AT THE EXPENSE OF BLACK, LATINO, ASIAN, PACIFIC ISLANDER, NATIVE AMERICAN, ARAB AND OTHER RACIALLY OPPRESSED PEOPLE.

RACISM ENCOMPASES THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF WHTIE SUPREMACY, DIFFUSED AND INFUESED IN ALL ASPECTS OF SOCIETY, INCLUDING OUR HISTORY, CULTURE, POLITICS, ECONOMICS AND OUR ENTIRE SOCIAL FABRIC.

INEQUALITIES IN POWER, ACCESS, OPPORTUNITIES, TREATMENT, AND POLICY IMPACTS THE OUTCOMES, WHETHER THEY ARE INTENTIONAL OR NOT. IT INVOLVES THE REINFORCING EFFECTS OF MULTIPLE INSTITUTIONS AND CULTURAL NORMS, PAST AND PRESENT, CONTINUALLY PRODUCING NEW AND RE-PRODUCING OLD FORMS OF RACISM(KEEPING RACISM ALIVE).

RACISM OCCURS WITHIN AND BETWEEN INSTITUTIONS. IT IS DISCRIMINATORY TREATMENT, UNFAIR POLICIES AND INEQUITABLE OPPORTUNITIES AND IMPACTS, BASED ON RACE, PRODUCED AND PERPETUATED BY INSTITUTIONS (SCHOOLS, MEDIA, LAW, RELIGION, ETC.).

RACISM ENCOMPASSES:
1. HISTORY WHICH LIES UNDERNEATH THE SURFACE, PROVIDING THE FOUNDATION FOR WHITE SUPREMACY
2. CULTURE WHICH EXISTS ALL AROUND OUR EVERYDAY LIVES, PROVIDING A NORM AND REPLICATION OF RACISM
3. INTERCONNECTED INSTITUTIONS AND POLICIES, THE KEY RELATIONSHIPS AND RULES ACROSS SOCIETY PROVIDING THE LEGITIMACY AND REINFORCEMENTS TO MAINTAIN AND PERPETUATE RACISM.

RACE IS A CLASSIFICATION OF HUMAN BEINGS CREATED BY EUROPEANS (WHITES) WHICH ASSIGNS HUMAN WORTH AND SOCIAL STATUS USING “WHITE” AS THE MODEL OF HUMANITY AND THE HEIGHT OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING PRIVELGE AND POWER

PREJUDICE IS A PRE-JUDGMENT IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST A PERSON, A GROUP, AN EVENT, AN IDEA, OR A THING.

AN ACTION BASED ON PREJUDGMENT IS DISCRIMINATION.

A NEGATIVE PREJUDGMENT IS OFTEN CALLED A STEREOTYPE.

AN ACTION BASED ON A STEREOTYPE IS CALLED BIGOTRY. (WHAT DISTINGUISHES THIS GROUP OF TERMS FROM ALL THE OTHERS (RACISM) IS THAT THERE IS NO POWER RELATIONSHIP NECESSARILY IMPLIED OR EXPRESSED BY PREJUDICE, DISCRIMINATION, STEREOTYPE, OR BIGOTRY)

POWER:

CONTROL OR ACCESS TO THOSE INSTITUTIONS SANCTIONED BY THE STATE (BARBARA MAJOR OF PEOPLE’S INSTITUTE FOR SURVIVAL AND BEYOND, NEW ORLEANS)
ABILITY TO DEFINE REALITY AND TO CONVINCE OTHER PEOPLE THAT IT IS THEIR DEFINITION (DR. WADE NOBLES)
OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL OF THE MAJOR RESOURCES OF A STATE; AND THE CAPACITY TO MAKE AND ENFORCE DECISIONS BASED O THIS OWNERSHP AND CONTROL
THE CAPACITY OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT AND TO ACT IN AN ORGANZIED WAY TO GET IT
CAPACITY TO ACT
THE ABILITY TO CAUSE CHANGE
REVERSE RACISM IS A TERM CREATED AND USED BY WHITE PEOPLE TO DENY THEIR WHITE PRIILEGE. THOSE IN DENIAL USE THE TERM REVERSE RACISM TO REFER TO HOSTILE BEHAVIOR BY PEOPLE OF COLOR TOWARD WHITES, AND TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION POLICIES, WHICH ALLEGEDLY GIVE ‘PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT’ TO PEOPLE OF COLOR OVER WHITES.

OPPRESSOR IS ONE WHO USES THEIR POWER TO DOMINATE ANOTHER, OR WHO REFUSES TO USE THEIR POWER TO CHALLENGE THAT DOMINATION

OPPRESSION IS THE POWER AND THE EFFECTS OF DOMINATION

OPPRESED IS ONE WHO IS DOMINATED BY AN OPPRESSOR, AND BY THOSE WHO CONSENT WITH THEIR SILENCE



racism extends considerably beyond prejudiced beliefs. The essential feature of racism is not hostility or misperception, but rather the defense of a system from which advantage is derived on the basis of race. The manner in which the defense is articulated - either with hostility or subtlety - is not nearly as important as the fact that it insures the continuation of a privileged relationship. Thus it is necessary to broaden the definition of racism beyond prejudice to include sentiments that in their consequence, if not in their intent, support the racial status quo.
David T. Wellman
Portraits of White Racism, Second Edition

Racism is an ideological, structural and historic stratification process by which the population of European descent, through its individual and institutional distress patterns, intentionally has been able to sustain, to its own best advantage, the dynamic mechanics of upward or downward mobility (of fluid status assignment) to the general disadvantage of the population designated as non-white (on a global scale), using skin color, gender, class, ethnicity or nonwestern nationality as the main indexical criteria used for enforcing differential resource allocation decisions that contribute to decisive changes in relative racial standing in ways most favoring the populations designated as 'white.'

Black Man
11-22-2006, 02:46 PM
to be hired because of skin color or ethinic background rather than be hired because you are the right person, qualified, educated and over all the best pick would be degrading......thats like hiring a chick to run the counter at the store because she has big titties.

Isn't what you're saying here why affirmitive action took place? I mean, people of color were being passed up on jobs where they were clearly the more qualified but since they weren't white, they weren't right.

LHX
11-22-2006, 02:57 PM
I see I'm needed again....

RACISM IS THE NORMALIZATION AND LEGITIMIZATION OF A MULTITIDE OF DYNAMICS SUCH AS HISTORICY, CULTURE, INSTITUTIONAL AND INTERPERSONAL THAT ROUTINELY GIVE THE ADVANTAGE TO WHITES AS A WHOLE PRODUCING CUMULATIVE AND CHRONIC ADVERSE OUTCOMES FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR(BLACK, BROWN, YELLOW, RED). IT IS A SYSTEM OF HIERARCHY AND INEQUITY, PRIMARILY CHARACTERIZED BY WHITE SUPREMACY GIVING THE PREFERED TREATMENT, PRIVELEGE AND POWER FOR WHITE PEOPLE AT THE EXPENSE OF BLACK, LATINO, ASIAN, PACIFIC ISLANDER, NATIVE AMERICAN, ARAB AND OTHER RACIALLY OPPRESSED PEOPLE.

RACISM ENCOMPASES THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF WHTIE SUPREMACY, DIFFUSED AND INFUESED IN ALL ASPECTS OF SOCIETY, INCLUDING OUR HISTORY, CULTURE, POLITICS, ECONOMICS AND OUR ENTIRE SOCIAL FABRIC.

INEQUALITIES IN POWER, ACCESS, OPPORTUNITIES, TREATMENT, AND POLICY IMPACTS THE OUTCOMES, WHETHER THEY ARE INTENTIONAL OR NOT. IT INVOLVES THE REINFORCING EFFECTS OF MULTIPLE INSTITUTIONS AND CULTURAL NORMS, PAST AND PRESENT, CONTINUALLY PRODUCING NEW AND RE-PRODUCING OLD FORMS OF RACISM(KEEPING RACISM ALIVE).

RACISM OCCURS WITHIN AND BETWEEN INSTITUTIONS. IT IS DISCRIMINATORY TREATMENT, UNFAIR POLICIES AND INEQUITABLE OPPORTUNITIES AND IMPACTS, BASED ON RACE, PRODUCED AND PERPETUATED BY INSTITUTIONS (SCHOOLS, MEDIA, LAW, RELIGION, ETC.).

RACISM ENCOMPASSES:
1. HISTORY WHICH LIES UNDERNEATH THE SURFACE, PROVIDING THE FOUNDATION FOR WHITE SUPREMACY
2. CULTURE WHICH EXISTS ALL AROUND OUR EVERYDAY LIVES, PROVIDING A NORM AND REPLICATION OF RACISM
3. INTERCONNECTED INSTITUTIONS AND POLICIES, THE KEY RELATIONSHIPS AND RULES ACROSS SOCIETY PROVIDING THE LEGITIMACY AND REINFORCEMENTS TO MAINTAIN AND PERPETUATE RACISM.

RACE IS A CLASSIFICATION OF HUMAN BEINGS CREATED BY EUROPEANS (WHITES) WHICH ASSIGNS HUMAN WORTH AND SOCIAL STATUS USING “WHITE” AS THE MODEL OF HUMANITY AND THE HEIGHT OF HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING PRIVELGE AND POWER

PREJUDICE IS A PRE-JUDGMENT IN FAVOR OF OR AGAINST A PERSON, A GROUP, AN EVENT, AN IDEA, OR A THING.

AN ACTION BASED ON PREJUDGMENT IS DISCRIMINATION.

A NEGATIVE PREJUDGMENT IS OFTEN CALLED A STEREOTYPE.

AN ACTION BASED ON A STEREOTYPE IS CALLED BIGOTRY. (WHAT DISTINGUISHES THIS GROUP OF TERMS FROM ALL THE OTHERS (RACISM) IS THAT THERE IS NO POWER RELATIONSHIP NECESSARILY IMPLIED OR EXPRESSED BY PREJUDICE, DISCRIMINATION, STEREOTYPE, OR BIGOTRY)

POWER:
CONTROL OR ACCESS TO THOSE INSTITUTIONS SANCTIONED BY THE STATE (BARBARA MAJOR OF PEOPLE’S INSTITUTE FOR SURVIVAL AND BEYOND, NEW ORLEANS)
ABILITY TO DEFINE REALITY AND TO CONVINCE OTHER PEOPLE THAT IT IS THEIR DEFINITION (DR. WADE NOBLES)
OWNERSHIP AND CONTROL OF THE MAJOR RESOURCES OF A STATE; AND THE CAPACITY TO MAKE AND ENFORCE DECISIONS BASED O THIS OWNERSHP AND CONTROL
THE CAPACITY OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT AND TO ACT IN AN ORGANZIED WAY TO GET IT
CAPACITY TO ACT
THE ABILITY TO CAUSE CHANGE
REVERSE RACISM IS A TERM CREATED AND USED BY WHITE PEOPLE TO DENY THEIR WHITE PRIILEGE. THOSE IN DENIAL USE THE TERM REVERSE RACISM TO REFER TO HOSTILE BEHAVIOR BY PEOPLE OF COLOR TOWARD WHITES, AND TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION POLICIES, WHICH ALLEGEDLY GIVE ‘PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT’ TO PEOPLE OF COLOR OVER WHITES.

OPPRESSOR IS ONE WHO USES THEIR POWER TO DOMINATE ANOTHER, OR WHO REFUSES TO USE THEIR POWER TO CHALLENGE THAT DOMINATION

OPPRESSION IS THE POWER AND THE EFFECTS OF DOMINATION

OPPRESED IS ONE WHO IS DOMINATED BY AN OPPRESSOR, AND BY THOSE WHO CONSENT WITH THEIR SILENCE



racism extends considerably beyond prejudiced beliefs. The essential feature of racism is not hostility or misperception, but rather the defense of a system from which advantage is derived on the basis of race. The manner in which the defense is articulated - either with hostility or subtlety - is not nearly as important as the fact that it insures the continuation of a privileged relationship. Thus it is necessary to broaden the definition of racism beyond prejudice to include sentiments that in their consequence, if not in their intent, support the racial status quo.
David T. Wellman

Portraits of White Racism, Second Edition

Racism is an ideological, structural and historic stratification process by which the population of European descent, through its individual and institutional distress patterns, intentionally has been able to sustain, to its own best advantage, the dynamic mechanics of upward or downward mobility (of fluid status assignment) to the general disadvantage of the population designated as non-white (on a global scale), using skin color, gender, class, ethnicity or nonwestern nationality as the main indexical criteria used for enforcing differential resource allocation decisions that contribute to decisive changes in relative racial standing in ways most favoring the populations designated as 'white.'


i said clear it up

i didnt say confuse it

WARPATH
11-22-2006, 03:08 PM
Affirmative action reserves positions in companies for minority's. Rather than be hired because of talent or skill they are hired because of their skin tone or ethnic background. Why would anyone even want to be an affirmative action hire....Would seem a bit degrading to me.

Anyway. The home I bought that was built in the 70's wasn't built by slaves so i feel the need to not share or give back anything.

Charging Soldier.........The Gila river Indians and Salt River Indians here in AZ sell their land to us for millions of dollars to have freewys built on them. Every month millions of white folk spend millions of dollars in the many casinos in AZ. Every month. Why are the reservations still poor in AZ? With all the money us white folk and the State and city Governments give them there should have been some sign of econmic reform by now....Sounds to me like a few elders are bogarting the cash flow.......

Wether you like to admit it or not- there are things that your ancestors did that still effect us today. Taking a Job that you are better qualified for, wouldn't bother me one bit. And just because you may be better qualified, doesn't mean that you are the best person for the job.

Your example of Gila River Indians is further proof of what I was talking about. Impovrished political bodies, left in a state where it's harder for them to take care of themselves, -exspecially when compared to the millions of white neighbors who have millions of dollars to spend.

7EL7
11-22-2006, 03:33 PM
Fake Apology


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5dGM_l9l8&NR



Heres the full Fake Apology


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uul6COkTnNU

Black Man
11-22-2006, 04:16 PM
i said clear it up

i didnt say confuse it

RUB YOUR EYES, GET THE SLEEP OUT OF THEM. THERE'S NO CONFUSION WRITTEN. IT'S VERY PRECISE, AND AS I SAID TAKE THE BEST PART FOR YOURSELF.

LHX
11-22-2006, 04:27 PM
where did you copy and paste it from?

Black Man
11-22-2006, 04:49 PM
where did you copy and paste it from?

You're predictable. Whether or not it is copy and paste, as I said before, take the best part for yourself. If there's nothing useful then leave it alone, if you find something useful a word a sentence a paragraph, take it and keep it moving.

Prolifical ENG
11-22-2006, 04:58 PM
RUB YOUR EYES, GET THE SLEEP OUT OF THEM. THERE'S NO CONFUSION WRITTEN. IT'S VERY PRECISE, AND AS I SAID TAKE THE BEST PART FOR YOURSELF.

Those 2 concepts cannot be defined precisely. That text makes it seem like they are 2 distinct things, while in reality those concepts overlap. One concept is too broad while the other is too narrow.

That yellow text of some kind of "formal definitions" of the concepts can go to the garbage. You can tell they were formed on very few concrete cases. Whatever text it was taken from it seems forced, likely to prove a thesis. It must include more abstract cases to get a concept that is sound.

maestro wooz
11-22-2006, 05:00 PM
free speech? what michael richards' says is proof of racism in america? This is the same yellow journalism we always complain about

Black Man
11-22-2006, 05:03 PM
Proof? What kind of proof do you want? Proof for you, isn't proof for everybody esle. As I said, take the best part for yourself. If there isn't anything that you find beneficial, leave it alone and keep it moving.

If you know precisely what racism is, then let it be known, otherwise fall back and simply observe and read what others are adding on.

LHX
11-22-2006, 05:17 PM
You're predictable. Whether or not it is copy and paste, as I said before, take the best part for yourself. If there's nothing useful then leave it alone, if you find something useful a word a sentence a paragraph, take it and keep it moving.

yo man

when i reference something - i cite the source in case people are looking for further reference

youre pretty predictable too homie


heaven forbid you ever concede a point in a discussion

too much pride for that, hunh?

ego just wont allow for it

Black Man
11-22-2006, 05:21 PM
If You Say So.

7EL7
11-22-2006, 05:22 PM
More copy pasting nonsense ?


its best to read it for yourself, post the link to the source,and express what you got out of it -
If you are starting a thread, its ahight to copy paste a portion of an article with link -

but if its called for, then so be it -

LHX
11-22-2006, 05:24 PM
If You Say So.

lmao

dirty

Sexy Jasper
11-22-2006, 05:26 PM
I agree with what eD said. Fuck affirmative action, that's on some special olympics kind of level.

Urban_Journalz
11-23-2006, 02:34 AM
I read about what happened. Saw the footage and saw his apology.

My thing is, nobody, with the exception of eD, seems to want to remember that if it were any of us on stage getting heckled, we would've definately said some racial s**t in response.

There's ALWAYS someone out to f**k with you and you can tell when they do it with malice and forethought.

As for his apology. I believed it for a few reasons, and anyone who saw the whole thing and wasn't deliberately trying to stay pissed at him will agree...#1. He had a very hard time speaking. He was embarassed and ashamed. #2. He tried explaining to David Letterman what happened and the audience was laughing at the pauses that he was making. As if he himself were making fun of what happened. Jerry Sienfeld told the people, "Stop laughing. It's not funny." The most serious I've ever seen the dude and I dont even like him. He earned my respect for that though. Then, he tells Letterman that "Maybe your show isn't the right place for me to do this because your audience doesn't seem to be taking this seriously. I can hear them laughing." Anyone who was genuinely listening to that man speak, KNEW he was deeply sorry for what he'd done.

He lost his temper. Period. It could've happened to any one of us here.

Paul Mooney saw and a show had him comment. At this point I'm thinkin', "Oh s**t." But, to my surprise, Mooney knew this cat for years. 10+ and both Paul Mooney and Rodriguez said, "I know him and what he said is NOT HIM. He didn't mean that. I know he's sorry for it. I believe him."

Racism is in all of us. Like it or not. Most of us just never take the time to recognize it and most of all, kill it.

Letterman asked him what he would do about it. What kind of work. As if to say, public. Dude said, "I have to do work on myself." I had to respect that because he was bein' real. He has the same demons we all have. We're cool most of the time, but all it takes is for someone to piss us off, then they become niggers, crackers, chinks, guinneas, wetbacks and spics.

They interviewed the dude that did the heckling, truth be told, I saw just one more fool out to get his 15 minutes of fame. But that's me.

Also, notice the cat's attitude when he says that he's not racist. See how pissed off he gets as he's saying that. Describing the fact that it comes out anyway. Regardless. That's because you don't have to have a swastika hangin' on your wall to say these things. We say a lot of s**t we don't mean when were mad. All of us. He's gettin' heat because he's famous and all of those celebs who say, "Oh, he's lost it. He's crazy. He should be ashamed." are all fake, cuz they know damn well they probably talk more trash than he did, while they're not on stage or angry.

Peace

froth
11-23-2006, 02:40 AM
i feel bad for the guy bc life is hard and nobody is perfect. he obviously has some things to learn but i more pity him than anything, having that much hate welled up in you.

snapple
11-23-2006, 06:38 AM
What you mean to say is that my opinions do not sound like your opinions. What you mean to say is that you dont agree with me in this topic. But rather than saying that you tell me to shut my mouth. yeah. Mature way to discuss something. Who is being ignorant now?




How is it harder? The Gila Indians have access to every thing in Phoenix and surrounding areas. The largest job market in the US to name one. And again....where are all of these millions and millions of dollars going that the white ppl, black ppl, and even Mexicans are spending in the Casinos that reside on these reservations in Maricopa County? Millions every month.

your public schools are better? what does your public schools have to do with anything? As far as education goes last I checked public school was free you just have to show up


and i'm telling you in NY schools are not peaches and cream, schools can be very dangerous and an extremley negative atmosphere, something you odbviously are ignorant about. me telling you to shut your mouth is not ignorant, do you not know the meaning of the word? everything is not about NY, i used NY as an example cause you talked about schools, and i was raised in NY so i know how the shcools are there. whos gonna stop you? hoodrats, police officers, haters, etc....this is something you odbiously just don't have a clue about at all, thats why i said to shut your mouth, this is something someone like you is not going to understand, you wont know by words, you would have to witness it. "it's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from goin under" so heres the point since you seemed to miss it, saying "public schools are free you have no excuses" is some serious bullshit.

LHX
11-23-2006, 08:21 AM
if it were any of us on stage getting heckled, we would've definately said some racial s**t in response.
wtf?

i think youre a little off with that observation yo


As for his apology. I believed it for a few reasons, and anyone who saw the whole thing and wasn't deliberately trying to stay pissed at him will agree...
i come to a similar confusion


but dude has a shit load of work to do now

WARPATH
11-24-2006, 12:53 PM
How is it harder? The Gila Indians have access to every thing in Phoenix and surrounding areas. The largest job market in the US to name one. And again....where are all of these millions and millions of dollars going that the white ppl, black ppl, and even Mexicans are spending in the Casinos that reside on these reservations in Maricopa County? Millions every month.


Just based off of what your tellimg me about the Gila Indians:

It's harder for them, probably because of the way their tribal governent is set up. Mismanagement of tribal funds.

Here's the situtation on my reservation.

We're building a new casino next to our current casion- because are current casino is a piece of shit-

Litterally a large tent on the outskirts of the badlandz.

Here's some pictures of what the new Casino is suppose to look like- believe it's not that pretty out there. Maybe it will look kinda of like that when it's finished, but right now it looks like a giant tin shed hooked onto motel 6.

http://www.prairiewindcasino.com/prairiewind/casino_hotel.htm

In order to build the casino, we had to borrow 37 million from the Shokape tribe.

So now any money the casino makes is going to shokape for the next 20 years. And our casino isn't near any major interstates.

Some tribes got their shit together- some don't.

My mothers tribe in North Dakota has a shitty casino, but they manage their money well, and now thier roads are PAVED!

Can you believe it PAVED ROADS!

MaXiMus Da MaNtis
11-24-2006, 01:41 PM
shit The Casino In My City ...Milwaukee ...I Hate Milwaukee ....Patowtomi Casino Made 900,000,000 In Profit The City Had To Force Them To Pay Taxes...Now Thats Rediculess Yo

WARPATH
11-24-2006, 10:27 PM
The Gila Indians have a community college, several casinos and many paved roads. It looks good. Well managed.

That's nice. :)

Dirty Knowledge
11-25-2006, 12:22 AM
Indian casinos are usually just tents for the most part. Some are nice. I don't get Indians and casinos..

whitey
11-25-2006, 12:43 PM
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061125/D8LK0GQO1.html



LOS ANGELES (AP) - Two men who say they were insulted by actor-comedian Michael Richards during his racist rant at a comedy club want a personal apology and maybe some money, one of the men and their lawyer said Friday.
Frank McBride and Kyle Doss said they were part of a group of about 20 people who had gathered at West Hollywood's Laugh Factory to celebrate a friend's birthday. According to their attorney, Gloria Allred, they were ordering drinks when Richards berated them for interrupting his act.
When one of their group replied that he wasn't funny, Richards launched into a string of obscenities and repeatedly used the n-word. A video cell phone captured the outburst.
Richards, who played Jerry Seinfeld's wacky neighbor Kramer on the TV sitcom "Seinfeld," made a nationally televised apology on the "Late Show with David Letterman" earlier this week. He has since apologized to the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, both civil rights leaders.
But Doss, 26, said Friday he wanted a "face-to-face apology."
"To have him do what he did to me ... I can't even explain it," Doss said. "I was humiliated, even scared at one point."
Richards' publicist said his client wants to apologize to both men, who are black, but hasn't been able to locate them.
Allred, speaking by phone from Colorado, said Richards should meet McBride and Doss in front of a retired judge to "acknowledge his behavior and to apologize to them" and allow the judge to decide on monetary compensation.
"It's not enough to say 'I'm sorry' on 'David Letterman,'" she said.
She did not mention a specific figure, but pitched the idea as a way for the comic to avoid a lawsuit.
"Our clients were vulnerable," Allred said. "He went after them. He singled them out and he taunted them, and he did it in a closed room where they were captive."
The video of Richards' outburst shows several people getting up and walking out as he shouts at the audience. Richards' publicist said the comic wasn't considering any demand for payment. "He's not dealing with that,"


what do you guys think of that?

Longbongcilvaringz
11-25-2006, 01:09 PM
interesting, well here in aus, im pretty sure there is legislation which prohibits racial discrimination. i assume there is something similar in the US?

if this is the case, the guys should have to face some form of punishment.

whitey
11-25-2006, 01:11 PM
nah pretty sure there is no such thing in the US. free speech, you can burn flags call people names do whatever in that reguard. however there are laws against slandering people, but i dont really think this fits.

Sicka than aidZ
11-25-2006, 01:27 PM
i dont think kkkramer has enough loot to buy a black persons forgiveness. there'z way worse shit happening all over the place, im sorry but this is still a complete waste of time.

Longbongcilvaringz
11-25-2006, 01:50 PM
nah pretty sure there is no such thing in the US. free speech, you can burn flags call people names do whatever in that reguard. however there are laws against slandering people, but i dont really think this fits.



true,

so there are no anti discrimination laws....

i guess thats freedom for you.

whitey
11-25-2006, 02:11 PM
true,

so there are no anti discrimination laws....

i guess thats freedom for you.


you gotta take the good with the bad, or else it really isnt free speech.

snapple
11-25-2006, 02:36 PM
nah pretty sure there is no such thing in the US. free speech, you can burn flags call people names do whatever in that reguard. however there are laws against slandering people, but i dont really think this fits.


ummm since when can you burn flags? only certain people can do that for certain occations....are you sure that is legal man? this could possibly be some kind of hate crime couldn't it? i don't really know what should be done about it, kramer has money, maybe he should donate some money to them or an orginization....what he did was pretty awful....and he did it where he was safe on the stage so street justice couldnt occur. it's a tough call.

snapple
11-25-2006, 04:05 PM
Richards, in reality, shouldnt have to do anything unless he chooses too. If he donates money that will not help his image really. If he apologizes face to face who cares? I can call who I want what I want. The only reprocusion is physical violence. Hate crime? South Park covered that nicely.

south park is a tv show haha, i'm pretty sure hate crames are real laws, no? and no you can't tell who you want whatever you want, what do you do for a living eD? in america you do not have the freedom of speech.

whitey
11-25-2006, 04:23 PM
ummm since when can you burn flags? only certain people can do that for certain occations....are you sure that is legal man? this could possibly be some kind of hate crime couldn't it? i don't really know what should be done about it, kramer has money, maybe he should donate some money to them or an orginization....what he did was pretty awful....and he did it where he was safe on the stage so street justice couldnt occur. it's a tough call.


umm since forever. flag burning is legal. ask the supreme court.

It held that although flag burning is not actually speech, it is a form of expression and, as such, has the same First Amendment protection as the spoken word.

snapple
11-25-2006, 04:28 PM
umm since forever. flag burning is legal. ask the supreme court.

It held that although flag burning is not actually speech, it is a form of expression and, as such, has the same First Amendment protection as the spoken word.

word? i dont know why i always thought that was illegal, illshit

Prolifical ENG
11-25-2006, 04:55 PM
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061125/D8LK0GQO1.html



LOS ANGELES (AP) - Two men who say they were insulted by actor-comedian Michael Richards during his racist rant at a comedy club want a personal apology and maybe some money, one of the men and their lawyer said Friday.
Frank McBride and Kyle Doss said they were part of a group of about 20 people who had gathered at West Hollywood's Laugh Factory to celebrate a friend's birthday. According to their attorney, Gloria Allred, they were ordering drinks when Richards berated them for interrupting his act.
When one of their group replied that he wasn't funny, Richards launched into a string of obscenities and repeatedly used the n-word. A video cell phone captured the outburst.
Richards, who played Jerry Seinfeld's wacky neighbor Kramer on the TV sitcom "Seinfeld," made a nationally televised apology on the "Late Show with David Letterman" earlier this week. He has since apologized to the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, both civil rights leaders.
But Doss, 26, said Friday he wanted a "face-to-face apology."
"To have him do what he did to me ... I can't even explain it," Doss said. "I was humiliated, even scared at one point."
Richards' publicist said his client wants to apologize to both men, who are black, but hasn't been able to locate them.
Allred, speaking by phone from Colorado, said Richards should meet McBride and Doss in front of a retired judge to "acknowledge his behavior and to apologize to them" and allow the judge to decide on monetary compensation.
"It's not enough to say 'I'm sorry' on 'David Letterman,'" she said.
She did not mention a specific figure, but pitched the idea as a way for the comic to avoid a lawsuit.
"Our clients were vulnerable," Allred said. "He went after them. He singled them out and he taunted them, and he did it in a closed room where they were captive."
The video of Richards' outburst shows several people getting up and walking out as he shouts at the audience. Richards' publicist said the comic wasn't considering any demand for payment. "He's not dealing with that,"


what do you guys think of that?

the underlined part i find hard to believe.....but its irrelevent anyway

7EL7
11-25-2006, 08:43 PM
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6610/jnhy3hht3gqx1.jpg

The Chef
11-25-2006, 08:55 PM
hell naw.
i really think hes racist cuz he cudda stopped him self and noticed wut he
wuz sayin and apolgized but because he is racist (i think) he just kept ramblin out bout it cuz obviously you can see its deep rooted in2 him.
so i really think hes racist.

7EL7
11-25-2006, 09:10 PM
you can tell he's racist

in his apology, when he says he has personal work to do.............


listen

whitey
11-26-2006, 01:38 AM
1. who really gives a fuck, brush it off, hows it hurt. sticks and stones and that whole deal.


2. (once again just playing devils advocate) have you ever made a mistake that you were truley sorry you did, same thing here, just put you in that situation. you really wish you could take something back. it has to have happend. this may be an extreme case but its still possible, eh?

Visionz
11-26-2006, 03:10 AM
As far as these comedians, what they say and do, how does that effect white people directly? When I see chris rock, I don't see black people in his audience anymore, I see white people, same thing with chappelle and all the other black comedic greats.

And caucasians are not being blown up equally and dying at an equal rate as blacks and latinos. You're allowing yourself to get caught up in issues of skin color when that has nothing to do w/ the real issue of race itself. The fact of the matter is that its about division, exploitation and profits. Who gets fucked in the process is incosequential in the power structures eyes. Of course the history of america says its something different but when looking at the bigger picture you have to realize its the ability of the system to create a false sense of superiority in poor white people that have had them fighting to somehow give credit to that idea by treating blacks as the lowest of the lows. By focusing on race, the common man stays at each others throats, or atleast have been for so long, that we have no real time to recognize what our real enemy is. The ultra-wealthy of the world amass wealth and power while they take helicopters and private jets to casually assess all the destruction they've left us to wallow in. Far below the people throw each other in the meatgrinder just to keep their families fed. Who among us is unattached from the strings?


And as far as kramer goes, fuck the racist bastard. Anybody walkin around w/ so much ignorant hatred inside them does a discredit to us all.

Ozmosis
11-26-2006, 04:37 AM
maybe he was going for a satire of racism=:X

abasi
11-26-2006, 06:45 PM
What kramer said was on some racist shit
Is he racist? I don't know(I got into an argument yesterday because of this)
I guess if you're black you HAVE to believe he is racist. I said what whitey said maybe its one of those things you would do anything in the world to take back
I've made mistakes like that
Kramer made his mistake infront of America

Ultimate Fist
11-27-2006, 12:26 AM
"SANTA CLAUS = WHITE"
-APSU

Nigga I aint tripping but is your ass really offended at Santa Claus.

7EL7
11-27-2006, 01:22 AM
"SANTA CLAUS = WHITE"
-APSU

Nigga I aint tripping but is your ass really offended at Santa Claus.


Offended huh


are you sleepy ?

maestro wooz
11-27-2006, 03:17 AM
NEW YORK (AP) -- Comedian Michael Richards said Sunday he did not consider himself a racist, and that he was "shattered" by the comments he made to two young black men during a tirade at a Los Angeles comedy club.

Richards appeared on the Rev. Jesse Jackson's nationally syndicated radio program, "Keep Hope Alive," as a part of a series of apologies for the incident. He said he knew his comments hurt the black community, and hoped to meet with the two men.

He told Jackson that he had not used the language before.

"That's why I'm shattered by it. The way this came through me was like a freight train. After it was over, when I went to look for them, they had gone. And I've tried to meet them, to talk to them, to get some healing," he said.

Richards, who played Jerry Seinfeld's wacky neighbor Kramer on the TV sitcom "Seinfeld," was performing at West Hollywood's Laugh Factory last week when he lashed out at hecklers with a string of racial obscenities and profane language. A cell phone video camera captured the outburst, and the incident later appeared on TMZ.com.

Richards told Jackson the tirade was fueled by anger, not bigotry. He said he wanted to hurt those who had hurt him.

"I was in a place of humiliation," he said.

Richards' publicist, Howard Rubenstein, said Saturday that Richards has begun psychiatric counseling in Los Angeles to learn how to manage his anger.

"He acknowledged that his statements were harmful and opened a terrible racial wound in our nation," Rubenstein said. "He pledges never ever to say anything like that again. He's quite remorseful."

Jackson, who has called Richards' words "hateful," "sick," and "deep-seated," said the comedian's inclusion on the show was a chance for a broader discussion about "cultural isolation" in the entertainment industry.

Richards noted that the racial epithet he used is frequent in the entertainment industry, and acknowledged that it could have consequences.

"I fear that young whites will think it's cool to go around and use that word because they see very cool people in the show business using that word so freely," he said. "Perhaps that's what came through in that ... the vernacular is so accessible."

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this is starting to make me sick. Black people aren't gonna love you michael richards! Hardly any even watched seinfeld in the first place!

Visionz
11-27-2006, 03:27 AM
Richards told Jackson the tirade was fueled by anger, not bigotry. He said he wanted to hurt those who had hurt him.myself, I don't buy it but if he's guilty of nothing else then he's guilty of being bad at standup. A good comedian makes hecklers look like complete assholes, not loose their cool and become instantly hated overnight.

7EL7
11-27-2006, 05:47 AM
Paul Mooney view of the situation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cuX2uYOi4g

Taylor_Made
11-27-2006, 07:25 AM
I notice some folks on here commenting on affirmative action. I think everyone should do their research before commenting. Check the statistics on how many white women compared to blacks benefit from affirmative action, you might get an eye opener. Affirmative action is just a "buzz word" nowadays. Most companies(especially financial firms, marketing firms, etc.) jump at the chance to hire blacks based on the fact that it taps into a whole new market for them. With the growing black middle class, there is a lot of purchasing power within the community. Anyone who still complains about "affirmative action" needs to look up statistics. How do you know these people are not qualified?

Sexy Jasper
11-27-2006, 11:13 AM
People should be hired based on their qualities, regardless of their race or gender. If you're not fit for the job, tough luck. If I were a heart patient ready for surgery, I'd rather be operated by someone who is hired for his skills and not because the hospital wants to be hip.

7EL7
11-27-2006, 12:03 PM
you see that ?

these white supremist do not think

such a one dimension view of things

poor creatures


Black people, for so long was not able to become qualified.

Denied everything

while pinks/whites were able to learn whatever they wanted and needed to learn to be prosperous.

and even still we rise to the top and become the best at whatever it is we chose to do

and you call your self supreme lmao

7EL7
11-27-2006, 12:45 PM
are you saying that the people who were brought to america by pink people don't own their own cars,small and large businesses ?



lmao poor poor poor white supremist



one thing the mexicans do have over the people who were brought to america by pink people is family - they hook up and help each other out much more than we do



but of cause our families were broken and trained to hate self



it was part of the procees to keep slaves slaves - the results haven't disappeared yet


but your supreme, and you have thought about all of this already lmao




PLUS - who said that the people who were brought over here by pink people are "The Best At Everything"


did you assume i said that



did you misunderstand what i wrote

we are not the best at war and destruction of the natural world
who does that award go to ?



or did you add your own understanding to my words like so many poor poor poor white supremist do ?

LHX
11-27-2006, 01:02 PM
white supremacy is not the same as misunderstanding where somebody is coming from


a white supremacist would need to be fully aware of the trials and tribulations of other people and be consciously seeking to perpetuate that process

everybody else is just some sort of agent

that being said, i dont think Big Head is a white supremist

but i could be wrong

100pr00f
11-27-2006, 01:05 PM
bla bla..all the treads here in the ktl are about race...aint no one gonna win..thier is no finish line

haha

7EL7
11-27-2006, 01:20 PM
If your just gonna call me a white supremist then I see no point in holding a debate or a meaningful conversation with you.

ok Bye

INF
11-27-2006, 01:32 PM
Wow. :no:

Ghost In The 'Lac
11-27-2006, 02:06 PM
stuff that the camera didnt catch were

"fuck u, (middle finger) nigger"
"when I wake up Ill still be rich, when you wake up youll still be a nigger"
"shut up nigger, i could own you, i have enough money to own you"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATWTKhmNWBU
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx_m_gyE04M)

froth
11-27-2006, 02:23 PM
lol at calling people against affirmative action white supremists

7EL7
11-27-2006, 02:27 PM
lol at calling people against affirmative action white supremists



i called eD a white supremist

ass meat


shits got nothing to do with affirmitive action

LHX
11-27-2006, 02:28 PM
lol @ having no other choice than to live in this society

INF
11-27-2006, 02:31 PM
stuff that the camera didnt catch were

"fuck u, (middle finger) nigger"
"when I wake up Ill still be rich, when you wake up youll still be a nigger"
"shut up nigger, i could own you, i have enough money to own you"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATWTKhmNWBU
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx_m_gyE04M)


Why would Richards decline to come and resolve with the victims on TV? Gee........*thinks real hard*

froth
11-27-2006, 02:31 PM
affirmative action is misguided. i know that blacks are shit on and live in ghettos and have less chance of success. something needs to be done, yet this isnt the right avenue. a start would be universal health care and free college for everyone

7EL7
11-27-2006, 02:33 PM
lawls @ black supremists thinking they are better than white supremeists.

black supremist ?


no such thing

froth
11-27-2006, 02:33 PM
i agree with mooney that the dude went past plain old racism into nervous breakdown territory. i mean, the anger in his voice is more than just racism. ive met countless racists through my life in the south and this is something more. im suprised it didnt end in physical violence

100pr00f
11-27-2006, 02:33 PM
naw he declind to pay them money they want thouseds of $ FROM HIM..LOL...i think they should get thier money back from the show but not that much money

..what does that tell u

7EL7
11-27-2006, 02:34 PM
Since my opinion does not sound like his that makes me a white supremist. LAWLS>


nah the stupid shit you say on the daily here makes you sound like a stupid white supremist

this thread didn't cause me to see you as such

7EL7
11-27-2006, 02:35 PM
Why would Richards decline to come and resolve with the victims on TV? Gee........*thinks real hard*


didn't he say that he was trying to contact them personally to apologize to them ?

7EL7
11-27-2006, 02:41 PM
naw. if someone doesnt agree with you you then label them. Labeling some1 is not right. Wouldnt be right to label some1 a nigger and its not right to label some1 a white supremist especially when niether of them are what they are being labeled.


ABC - 123

Thats exactly how your words look to me




Quote:
Originally Posted by eD http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=660587#post660587)
If your just gonna call me a white supremist then I see no point in holding a debate or a meaningful conversation with you.

i'm still calling you a white supremist

100pr00f
11-27-2006, 02:43 PM
didn't he say that he was trying to contact them personally to apologize to them ?



yes..when he got off stage he was looking for them...to say he was sorry...

7EL7
11-27-2006, 02:45 PM
yes..when he got off stage he was looking for them...to say he was sorry...



not that

i believe i heard him say he tried to Contact them later on

i'm not surprised or angry at the situation at all

i think the shit is funny

INF
11-27-2006, 02:47 PM
yes..when he got off stage he was looking for them...to say he was sorry...


The quote that I made that had the link from Ghostlaced is a clip from the today show and they have the two guys right there to talk about it and said that they(the today show) asked Richards to take part and he declined. Thats suspect.

I dont need for him to not decline. I already know the deal. Dude has a deep hate in his heart.:mmmyah:

7EL7
11-27-2006, 02:49 PM
Ok. Ill just treat you like a child from now on. Just proves that you are one sided, bias and close minded.

*golf clap.

Should I cut your pb&j samich in fours like you like it?

do and say what you want

you can't get into a serious discussion about things you haven't really even thought about - and your words clearly shows that you are not thinking -


Remember eD


the white man is gawd








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now you can either leave it alone like a good little clown - or keep typing, getting e- slapped, and knocked the fuck down

froth
11-27-2006, 02:57 PM
everything is connected

were arguing with ourselves

INF
11-27-2006, 03:03 PM
No time has ever been like this one
I'm at the point in my life
I'm at a split decision
Let this all go
Or hit em with the instant precission
but then I snap back all in a minute and notice that
Its me
not the spoon thats bending
If you've seen the sign of the times then
Aint no use in pretending that once we finish
its not right back to the begining
Life is never ending so you might as well play your part
Keep it real from the start , keep it true from you heart
aint no tellin when the day comes, it all gets dark
You get
Ripped apart from everything that you ever knew
till eventually in life it all starts to turn blue


My life is
wrapped in a prayer hanging from a baby tooth
root is the truth
went from the most bogus to the dopest with this point of view
Life is all it is and all that it gives to you
so what you got is what you make it
you mf's mad because you cant take it
away from me
I burn eternally
they using my CD to embalm the deceased
I'm steady sleepwalkin all up in my dreams
places that the naked eye cant see
enough to make your soul wanna leave the streets
So mix your peace on the rocks with some Chaos
and tell me what you've got

I cant have it
you wont last it
I'll snap back like elastic and blow you off the map
I cant have it
you wont last it
I'm automatic, its drastic
its a Habit.

7EL7
11-27-2006, 03:10 PM
You see white man is gawd when i see black man is gawd.
its a retort to all of the black gawd shit.
its called sarcasm.
you cant identify that you are too young.
you however mean it when you say black man is gawd.
i do not.
see the difference you racist fuck?


quote me saying that the black man is gawd

i'll wait you racist fuck?


don't get upset eDDy -if you squeeze up your face and sweat, your clown paint and rubber nose might fall off lmao

7EL7
11-27-2006, 03:47 PM
he really thinks he's pwnin someone wiff his baby punch words


poor poor poor white supremist

froth
11-27-2006, 03:49 PM
lots of knowledge to be found here

INF
11-27-2006, 03:50 PM
lots of knowledge to be found here
I dropped a jewel a few post up but they are too busy fighting.

7EL7
11-27-2006, 03:59 PM
Do your Dance eD



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFIPat4Orzc






.

Sicka than aidZ
11-27-2006, 04:13 PM
he really thinks he's pwnin someone wiff his baby punch words


poor poor poor white supremist


ed doesnt give a shit about pawning or whatever. seriously though dude u made your point whatever that was. is there anything u can do beside'z argue? go to general chat and do that, fuck u might just get called a nigger or something and we know you'd luv that, atleast thatz how u come off. im aware that KTL has something to do with wu tang 5% shit or something and u got every right to run threadz about racial issue'z and all that. the reason people seem like there getting mad is cuz your wasting space and driving away wisdom or whatever. no disrespect, but i think your a gimmik and u should probably be banned. someone should clean this fuckin place up. peace

7EL7
11-27-2006, 04:18 PM
ed doesnt give a shit about pawning or whatever. seriously though dude u made your point whatever that was. is there anything u can do beside'z argue? go to general chat and do that, fuck u might just get called a nigger or something and we know you'd luv that, atleast thatz how u come off. im aware that KTL has something to do with wu tang 5% shit or something and u got every right to run threadz about racial issue'z and all that. the reason people seem like there getting mad is cuz your wasting space and driving away wisdom or whatever. no disrespect, but i think your a gimmik and u should probably be banned. someone should clean this fuckin place up. peace


the community crack head speaks

hear those crickets ?

Wu-tang Fan
11-27-2006, 04:28 PM
lol if you arr anything like that woman in the picture I'll shag you:D

Sicka than aidZ
11-27-2006, 04:41 PM
the community crack head speaks

hear those crickets ?

i cant believe your taking that as disrespect, like u dont know the shit u post should get you banned. your not the only one, but maybe u are. i heard apsu,sunny, 7el, aqueous, blackman, vader, kephrem and some other catz are all the same. if thatz the case your probably goddess too and all we did was clown her and she didnt give a shit, dont see why u would care now. yall got the same posting style tho and if your tryin to piss me off your gonna have a hell of a time cuz im just gonna go back to ignoring you. 1 thing that suckz tho is peepz like shlash , timbz, silencer and princerai aint posting cuz this shit is a joke. so whatever dog, i aint even mad at u, i aint mad at anyone and u cant make me mad i just think this cycle of arguing is rediculous. so whatever carry on . im outta here

7EL7
11-27-2006, 04:45 PM
i heard apsu,sunny, 7el, aqueous, blackman, vader, kephrem and some other catz are all the same.

you forgot legion, eD,and Timbs.

Goddess too i'm all of those people

to you


in your own little paranoid world

whitey
11-27-2006, 05:16 PM
another thread turned to wackness.

ShaDynasty
11-27-2006, 05:18 PM
hey i forgive the mutherfucker

Dokuro
11-27-2006, 05:33 PM
Who else feels racism? People of color? Yes of course. White people? I don't think so. Please tell me, in what areas of life are white people effected by racism? Politics? Education? Labor? Religion? Law enforcement? Where and when are white people effected by racism?

And since you don't know the origins of these words nor why they are used, out of ignorance all you can say is "black ppl are not the only ones who feel racism..."
church them honkys dont know how good the have it

7EL7
11-27-2006, 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by Black Man http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=655387#post655387)
Who else feels racism? People of color? Yes of course. White people? I don't think so. Please tell me, in what areas of life are white people effected by racism? Politics? Education? Labor? Religion? Law enforcement? Where and when are white people effected by racism?

And since you don't know the origins of these words nor why they are used, out of ignorance all you can say is "black ppl are not the only ones who feel racism..."




and no one answered

ShaDynasty
11-27-2006, 05:40 PM
and no one answered

you want a pat on the back for black man (whos actually white) for pointing out the fuckin obvious?!

7EL7
11-27-2006, 05:42 PM
you want a pat on the back for black man (whos actually white) for pointing out the fuckin obvious?!


NO !



i want an answer


i wouldn't care if black man was a one legged giraffe

Sexy Jasper
11-27-2006, 05:48 PM
affirmative action is misguided. i know that blacks are shit on and live in ghettos and have less chance of success. something needs to be done, yet this isnt the right avenue. a start would be universal health care and free college for everyone
The basic problem is that a racist past cannot be undone through more racism. Race-conscious programs betray Martin Luther King's dream of a color-blind community, and the heightened racial sensitivity they cause is a source of acrimony and tension instead of healing.

ShaDynasty
11-27-2006, 05:50 PM
well there is no answer
some white people get racial abuse but they dont care cos the guy cutting there checks is white
i dont feel that racism of any kind is justified, its basically channeling your anger and frustration into something wasteful and destructive. blaming others for your problems and shit. but if you fucked up, youd want a second chance, i think richards deserves this much

7EL7
11-27-2006, 05:59 PM
he should be a regular on the chapelle show


that would be funny

ShaDynasty
11-27-2006, 06:00 PM
im still gonna cop the next 2 seasons of seinfeld when there released
BEST. SHOW. EVER.
nothing can taint it

ShaDynasty
11-28-2006, 05:03 AM
qft

qft?
quite fuckin true?

Taylor_Made
11-28-2006, 07:40 AM
People should be hired based on their qualities, regardless of their race or gender. If you're not fit for the job, tough luck. If I were a heart patient ready for surgery, I'd rather be operated by someone who is hired for his skills and not because the hospital wants to be hip.

So who is to say these people are not fit for the job?? Im not even arguing for affirmative action,im just trying to figure out why everytime this type of debate comes up it is always assumed the the black person isnt qualified and just got the job because of skin color.

Sexy Jasper
11-28-2006, 07:56 AM
If a black person is more qualified for a certain job than his fellow white applicants, he should be hired. If there's another person who has better college degrees/job experiences I say that person should get the job. What's not to understand about that?

abasi
11-28-2006, 08:22 AM
That would be great if the world ran that way but it doesnt

Sexy Jasper
11-28-2006, 08:28 AM
Nope, the world isn't perfect, but affirmative action isn't the solution.

7EL7
11-28-2006, 09:13 AM
unqualified people been getting work long before affirmative action

Sexy Jasper
11-28-2006, 09:30 AM
That will always happen, regardless of affirmative action. Someone with more college degrees job experience etc is the better applicant and should be the one getting the job, always. I don't understand how anyone could even try and disagree with that.

7EL7
11-28-2006, 09:44 AM
That will always happen, regardless of affirmative action. Someone with more college degrees job experience etc is the better applicant and should be the one getting the job, always. I don't understand how anyone could even try and disagree with that.


its not that they don't understand or disagree

its just the history/track record of this place called america

it has alot of cleaning up to do


plus, those who this place works for can get a better education and better jobs. They get into high positions and hire their own instead of people who are qualified and they have been doing this for a very long time. Thats one of the reasons why the system is falling apart - The wrong people are at the top

snapple
11-28-2006, 11:29 AM
That will always happen, regardless of affirmative action. Someone with more college degrees job experience etc is the better applicant and should be the one getting the job, always. I don't understand how anyone could even try and disagree with that.


it's cool that you don't beleive in afirmitive action


"I don't understand how anyone could even try and disagree with that."

thats really sad though, the fact that you fail to see the world for how it really is.

Taylor_Made
11-28-2006, 12:05 PM
That will always happen, regardless of affirmative action. Someone with more college degrees job experience etc is the better applicant and should be the one getting the job, always. I don't understand how anyone could even try and disagree with that.

No one is disagreeing with that but lemme ask you this...Does Bill Gates deserve to be the richest man at Microsoft when he dropped out of Havard while Steve Balmer stayed? A degree doesn't always equate to business savy, aggressiveness, the skill to lead and manage people, etc.

I also think its hilarious that folks love Wu Tang(a pro blackgroup) who rap about the struggle but get all huffy puffy over Affirmative action.

Black Man
11-28-2006, 01:02 PM
No one is disagreeing with that but lemme ask you this...Does Bill Gates deserve to be the richest man at Microsoft when he dropped out of Havard while Steve Balmer stayed? A degree doesn't always equate to business savy, aggressiveness, the skill to lead and manage people, etc.

I also think its hilarious that folks love Wu Tang(a pro blackgroup) who rap about the struggle but get all huffy puffy over Affirmative action.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

snapple
11-28-2006, 01:14 PM
Pro black? Ahhh Thats why Rza's lawyer is a jew and not an unqualified black dood he was forced to hire because buisness practices in the US has been bias toward whites.

haha youd have to be stupid to have a black lawyer hahahahah

snapple
11-28-2006, 01:36 PM
Thats racisit. LAWLS. Bur seriously. Pro Black with a Jew lawyer and prob jew accountants. Dood aint pro black if he was everyone that worked for him would be black.


fuckin right its racist, don't hate the player hate the game. could a 3rd eye be opening for eD!?

Taylor_Made
11-28-2006, 03:42 PM
Pro black? Ahhh Thats why Rza's lawyer is a jew and not an unqualified black dood he was forced to hire because buisness practices in the US has been bias toward whites.

Having a Jewish Lawyer means that Wu Tang isn't a Pro Black group?? Am I missing something?

Taylor_Made
11-28-2006, 03:45 PM
Thats racisit. LAWLS. Bur seriously. Pro Black with a Jew lawyer and prob jew accountants. Dood aint pro black if he was everyone that worked for him would be black.

Lol @ You not understanding why Wu Tang is Pro Black...I think you should go back and dig a little deeper into the 36 chambers my friend.

Being Pro black doesn't mean being anti-White, Anti-semetic, etc. It just means that they're down for their people at all costs. Listen to Wu Revolution on Forever and tell me that isn't a Pro Black social statement...c'mon brotha.

Taylor_Made
11-28-2006, 03:58 PM
I think You are mixing black supremacy up with being Pro Black.

Sexy Jasper
11-28-2006, 04:08 PM
it's cool that you don't beleive in afirmitive action


"I don't understand how anyone could even try and disagree with that."

thats really sad though, the fact that you fail to see the world for how it really is.The way you attach conclusions to the most simple statement I could possibly make is sickening and really shows how short sighted you are. I'm not saying anything else than that the most qualified person should be hired for the job. I can't think of any situation this wouldn't apply.


No one is disagreeing with that but lemme ask you this...Does Bill Gates deserve to be the richest man at Microsoft when he dropped out of Havard while Steve Balmer stayed? A degree doesn't always equate to business savy, aggressiveness, the skill to lead and manage people, etc.

I also think its hilarious that folks love Wu Tang(a pro blackgroup) who rap about the struggle but get all huffy puffy over Affirmative action.Bill Gates is one of the founder of Microsoft, Steve Balmer isn't. I agree a bunch of papers doesn't always say everything about a person or his her skills. But if you're to pick from a bunch of people you don't know, you do look at their diplomas and previous jobs.

Getting a job because of affirmative action is a condolence prize. But hey, you'd be crazy not to take it.

As for your comment about Wu Tang fans, I enjoy their music but form my own opinions. I also listen to nazi metal/rock, does that make me a racist? Heck, I even listen to Radiohead and I'm not even a fat desert fuck with guns.

Taylor_Made
11-28-2006, 04:20 PM
lawls at you just joining thinking you know anything about what i post in ktl...dig a lil deeper into some older threads and youll soon learn.

I don't think you can expect any human to go back and look through hundreds of pages for your posts. Not gonna happen. Either way, If you don't think Wu Tang is Pro black then...damn. They obviously aren't anti white but when its all said and done, they drop knowledge that most blacks would understand and relate to. When Ghost was crying on "I cant go to sleep", he wasn't crying for the white community. He was issuing his version of "Whats Goin On" in the black community. Thats all im saying. They talk about issues that affect blacks, making them pro black in my opinion. They obviously got love for all races because they are worldly, but their music has a pro black(for the people) message.

what makes you think that? because i said pro white? I think youd be mixing white supremacy with being pro white.

No...Not at all. I said that because you assumed that if RZA was pro black, then he'd have black lawyers, etc. That is more of a black supremacist form of thinking, not pro black. When I say pro black, I mean their songs are made from a black point of view and they drop knowledge on issues that affect the black community, in hopes of improving the lives of some blacks thats it. If people from other races buy into it, then thats even better. So maybe you got the two mixed up. I don't know what pro white has to do with any of this this. Either way this post is turning into a race post and me being black and you being another race is just gonna lead to further arguing that hasn't been solved since forever.

Taylor_Made
11-28-2006, 04:27 PM
Getting a job because of affirmative action is a condolence prize. But hey, you'd be crazy not to take it.

As for your comment about Wu Tang fans, I enjoy their music but form my own opinions. I also listen to nazi metal/rock, does that make me a racist? Heck, I even listen to Radiohead and I'm not even a fat desert fuck with guns.

When it comes to Affirmative action, I don't think its a solution, it just causes more racial tensions IMHO. As a black man I work hard for whatever I get and Ive reaped the benefits greatly. I currently live in a state where Affirmative Action doesn't exist so I can't say Ive experienced the benefits of this institution.

If you can find a message of value in Nazi Metal then Kudos to you. I'm a black dude who grew up on soul and jazz and I find enjoyment out of Radiohead. I guess Black people find a different appreciation in the message that groups like Wu Tang represent. I guess it would be hard for me to listen to music with a message that I don't agree with.

Sexy Jasper
11-28-2006, 04:49 PM
Fat desert fucks with guns.

Album title?Yeah it was a working title when I downloaded it. I believe they later changed it to OK Computer.

When it comes to Affirmative action, I don't think its a solution, it just causes more racial tensions IMHO. As a black man I work hard for whatever I get and Ive reaped the benefits greatly. I currently live in a state where Affirmative Action doesn't exist so I can't say Ive experienced the benefits of this institution.

If you can find a message of value in Nazi Metal then Kudos to you. I'm a black dude who grew up on soul and jazz and I find enjoyment out of Radiohead. I guess Black people find a different appreciation in the message that groups like Wu Tang represent. I guess it would be hard for me to listen to music with a message that I don't agree with.I tried out for a job as fireman. To get the job, I had to compete with different people and we had to comeplete some test that involved running and lifting and such. There were men and women doing physical tasks, but they lowered the requirements for the women. So at the end, 3 of the 3 women made it and 9 of the 20 men. When infact, the men were better at all tests, all 20 of them. I sure hope my apartment doesn't catch fire...

Anyway, I don't find messages in most music. I just like to listen to the catchy tunes and pick out random words and sentences. that's probably why I like almost all genres of music.

Black Man
11-28-2006, 05:07 PM
The way you attach conclusions to the most simple statement I could possibly make is sickening and really shows how short sighted you are. I'm not saying anything else than that the most qualified person should be hired for the job. I can't think of any situation this wouldn't apply.


Bill Gates is one of the founder of Microsoft, Steve Balmer isn't. I agree a bunch of papers doesn't always say everything about a person or his her skills. But if you're to pick from a bunch of people you don't know, you do look at their diplomas and previous jobs.

Getting a job because of affirmative action is a condolence prize. But hey, you'd be crazy not to take it.

As for your comment about Wu Tang fans, I enjoy their music but form my own opinions. I also listen to nazi metal/rock, does that make me a racist? Heck, I even listen to Radiohead and I'm not even a fat desert fuck with guns.

What you listen to doesn't make you a racist, but what you say and do does.

Sexy Jasper
11-28-2006, 05:11 PM
Is that a general statement or aimed at me?

ShaDynasty
11-28-2006, 05:12 PM
ignore racism and it will go away

talking about it for the last 50 years hasnt worked

Black Man
11-28-2006, 05:14 PM
ignore racism and it will go away

talking about it for the last 50 years hasnt worked

I knew it would be said.

7EL7
11-28-2006, 07:18 PM
ignore racism and it will go away

talking about it for the last 50 years hasnt worked



thats like saying ignore cancer and it will go away

7EL7
11-28-2006, 08:09 PM
WoW !

Sexy Jasper
11-28-2006, 08:17 PM
so racism can be treated by Doctors and such? lawls.

maybe cancer should make a public apologyHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

7EL7
11-28-2006, 08:44 PM
so racism can be treated by Doctors and such? lawls.

maybe cancer should make a public apology



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snapple
11-28-2006, 08:45 PM
"The way you attach conclusions to the most simple statement I could possibly make is sickening and really shows how short sighted you are. I'm not saying anything else than that the most qualified person should be hired for the job. I can't think of any situation this wouldn't apply."

shot sighted? i'm short sighted? youre a straight up faggot. THE WHITE DUDE HAS A MUCH EASIER OPPURTUNITITY TO BE MORE QUALIFIED THIS IS SOMETHING YOU ARE FAILING TO RECOGNIZE, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SHOULD NOT EXIST BUT THE SYSTEM IS RACIST AND CROOKED THEREFOR IT IS NECESSARY TO CREATE A BALANCE.

and LOL @ eD saying what is and isn't pro-black. thats funny shit


damn yo this thread is full of racial tension god damn

7EL7
11-28-2006, 08:51 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!



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Sexy Jasper
11-28-2006, 09:03 PM
shot sighted? i'm short sighted? youre a straight up faggot. THE WHITE DUDE HAS A MUCH EASIER OPPURTUNITITY TO BE MORE QUALIFIED THIS IS SOMETHING YOU ARE FAILING TO RECOGNIZE, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SHOULD NOT EXIST BUT THE SYSTEM IS RACIST AND CROOKED THEREFOR IT IS NECESSARY TO CREATE A BALANCE.
Affirmative action isn't balancing, it just ads to the racist system. The problem needs to be solved from the roots.

You can stop getting all angry and shouting now.

7EL7
11-28-2006, 09:47 PM
^lmao


Dam

they won't get it




What Kramer Meant to Say


Funny Clip


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjY0THJNCII&mode=related&search=








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maestro wooz
11-29-2006, 02:40 AM
I think it's wrong for the government to tell private companies who they can hire first of all, I oppose affirmative action on the constitutional level first and foremost, something can be worked out where companies are encouraged to adopt the policy or the government pays the companies extra money for each hire, but the government should not be able to tell you who you can hire. Private business means private.

Secondly, affirmative action helps cause it gives minorities more oppurtunities, which is what they need. Lack of money helps perpetuate the ignorance in the black community, creating more of it for them wouldn't automatically solve the problem but it would go to helping it because that's another stabler household created. But as a provision i think it should be known if someone is an affirmative action hire, on the record. This will allow the company to say "look we're hiring you even though there are better candidates because we want to give you a chance" and if the person is doing a poor job they can fire them for that reason. Companies shouldn't lie about it. This will also put more pressure on the employee to achieve, improve relations for companies that are giving a blacks a chance to make it even though there are better candidates, and give more jobs to black communities.

So you could say i'm not pro-affirmative action but i would be pro a government sponsored policy for companies to adopt that gives underqualified blacks the chance to be hired for a job on the record as an "affirmative action" hire.

Also it shouldn't be for minorities but specifically only for black people. You guys were our slaves about 150 years ago, this is repayment. Sorry about that again.

abasi
11-29-2006, 09:04 AM
the only thing black people want is the same chances as anyone else

Black Man
11-29-2006, 10:32 AM
Affirmative action isn't balancing, it just ads to the racist system. The problem needs to be solved from the roots.

You can stop getting all angry and shouting now.

Do you know what affirmative action is and how it works?

Sexy Jasper
11-29-2006, 10:36 AM
I've been a victim of it, so don't ask me if I know.

Black Man
11-29-2006, 10:39 AM
It's funny how people think affirmative action is giving a job away to a person of color or a woman. Can we please mustard up enough brain power to atleast deal with the situation as it presents itself and not with these "biased" "bigot" slants. To get a "job" the candidate has to be qualified.

And FYI, if "white people" don't like "affirmative action" whites shouldn't have started it(know YOUR history). Affirmative action did not start off as a service for minorities. And on top of that, whites should have left black people attend to their communities and their businesses instead of being jealous of the success and start burning sh*t down, and whites wouldn't be in this position.

And black people keep in mind, if this "system" is ok with something, when its all said and done, it's not going to be good for you. Check the records.

snapple
11-29-2006, 10:45 AM
with erika i'm sorry son im not gonna try with you, you dont wanna hear shit you think you know it all, youve been a "victim" of affirmative action? oh god whitey you gotta be kidding me, no i'm offically done with you in this section

Sexy Jasper
11-29-2006, 11:03 AM
It's funny how people think affirmative action is giving a job away to a person of color or a woman. Can we please mustard up enough brain power to atleast deal with the situation as it presents itself and not with these "biased" "bigot" slants. To get a "job" the candidate has to be qualified.

And FYI, if "white people" don't like "affirmative action" whites shouldn't have started it(know YOUR history). Affirmative action did not start off as a service for minorities. And on top of that, whites should have left black people attend to their communities and their businesses instead of being jealous of the success and start burning sh*t down, and whites wouldn't be in this position.

And black people keep in mind, if this "system" is ok with something, when its all said and done, it's not going to be good for you. Check the records.In my case, the job was given to three women who were all less qualified than I were. Affirmative action is about trying to look multicultural and friendly to females.

Yeah how stupid of me to be anti affirmative action when I myself started this system. Christ.

with erika i'm sorry son im not gonna try with you, you dont wanna hear shit you think you know it all, youve been a "victim" of affirmative action? oh god whitey you gotta be kidding me, no i'm offically done with you in this sectionYou're just done because you can't convince me how affirmative action is the solution to all racial problems.

IrOnMaN
11-29-2006, 11:48 AM
I think it's wrong for the government to tell private companies who they can hire first of all, I oppose affirmative action on the constitutional level first and foremost, something can be worked out where companies are encouraged to adopt the policy or the government pays the companies extra money for each hire, but the government should not be able to tell you who you can hire. Private business means private.

Secondly, affirmative action helps cause it gives minorities more oppurtunities, which is what they need. Lack of money helps perpetuate the ignorance in the black community, creating more of it for them wouldn't automatically solve the problem but it would go to helping it because that's another stabler household created. But as a provision i think it should be known if someone is an affirmative action hire, on the record. This will allow the company to say "look we're hiring you even though there are better candidates because we want to give you a chance" and if the person is doing a poor job they can fire them for that reason. Companies shouldn't lie about it. This will also put more pressure on the employee to achieve, improve relations for companies that are giving a blacks a chance to make it even though there are better candidates, and give more jobs to black communities.

So you could say i'm not pro-affirmative action but i would be pro a government sponsored policy for companies to adopt that gives underqualified blacks the chance to be hired for a job on the record as an "affirmative action" hire.

Also it shouldn't be for minorities but specifically only for black people. You guys were our slaves about 150 years ago, this is repayment. Sorry about that again.

I agree with you 100%. But shouldn't affirmative action be for everyone, including white males?

Black Man
11-29-2006, 02:01 PM
I agree with you 100%. But shouldn't affirmative action be for everyone, including white males?

If you really knew about aff. action then you would know it is and was started for white males. You would also know its not a national law, not everybody has it.

Funny how people want an in depth conversation about things they really don't know about. All they know is what they "heard" somebody or something say, without any real research into the matter. Has anybody read any books on this matter, read what the law actually states, when it came into existence, anything?

maestro wooz
11-29-2006, 02:05 PM
If you really knew about aff. action then you would know it is and was started for white males. You would also know its not a national law, not everybody has it.

Funny how people want an in depth conversation about things they really don't know about. All they know is what they "heard" somebody or something say, without any real research into the matter. Has anybody read any books on this matter, read what the law actually states, when it came into existence, anything?


how about you enlighten us instead of being a self righteous prick constantly

Black Man
11-29-2006, 02:16 PM
how about you enlighten us instead of being a self righteous prick constantly

that's all you got? self righteous prick.....no facts about affirmitive action?

abasi
11-29-2006, 02:18 PM
just tell us damn

Sexy Jasper
11-29-2006, 05:21 PM
Hire the most qualified person for the Job.
The Government need not be in the matters of buisness owners.
If they are involved, where are all of you screaming that the Government is taking away rights? They are obviously taking away the right of a buisness owner to hire whom he/she wants. Any smart buisness owner will hire the most qualified person. Eventhough I have read a lot about affirmative action and even experienced it myself I don't need to, to understand something as simple as this.

maestro wooz
11-29-2006, 07:20 PM
that's all you got? self righteous prick.....no facts about affirmitive action?


my intention was not to get into a name calling contest with you, why does it seem like that's your purpose too often of the time. I really think you could be a good contributor to this site if you weren't such a douche constantly. Please sir, share some of your knowledge with us, bless us with a gem.

Hire the most qualified person for the Job.
The Government need not be in the matters of buisness owners.
If they are involved, where are all of you screaming that the Government is taking away rights? They are obviously taking away the right of a buisness owner to hire whom he/she wants. Any smart buisness owner will hire the most qualified person.

that is what i said. I also said that the government should encourage companies to hire minorities and give them the oppurtunity to prove themselves via money or other possible solutions. Let's not forget though, qualifications are often no more then words on paper, it doesn't actually mean the person with the best qualifications will be the best for the job.

Black Man
11-29-2006, 07:54 PM
my intention was not to get into a name calling contest with you, why does it seem like that's your purpose too often of the time. I really think you could be a good contributor to this site if you weren't such a douche constantly. Please sir, share some of your knowledge with us, bless us with a gem.

Why is it the first thing you do is call somebody out of their name? How many times have I called you out of your name or made some comment trying to put you down?

The gem was already dropped, but you were to busy saying what you said, instead of just asking for more information. If I call you ____ and then ask you for something, should I expect to receive it?

IrOnMaN
11-29-2006, 08:45 PM
If you really knew about aff. action then you would know it is and was started for white males. You would also know its not a national law, not everybody has it.

Funny how people want an in depth conversation about things they really don't know about. All they know is what they "heard" somebody or something say, without any real research into the matter. Has anybody read any books on this matter, read what the law actually states, when it came into existence, anything?


You mean Aff. action was started by white males, not for white males. White males were the only ones that have not been through suffrage. Minorties (every other race other than white) and white women are the only ones that have been through some sort of suffrage. African-Americans, Arabs, Jews, and Asians are real victims of suffrage.

Aren't you African-American? You should know this. Thanks

Sexy Jasper
11-29-2006, 08:51 PM
I wish there was a way to end black peoples suffrage... pun is intended.

7EL7
11-29-2006, 08:52 PM
Why is it the first thing you do is call somebody out of their name? How many times have I called you out of your name or made some comment trying to put you down?

The gem was already dropped, but you were to busy saying what you said, instead of just asking for more information. If I call you ____ and then ask you for something, should I expect to receive it?



exactly - but don't tell them that

how about you enlighten us instead of being a self righteous prick constantly


Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Man http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=663105#post663105)
that's all you got? self righteous prick.....no facts about affirmitive action?

my intention was not to get into a name calling contest with you, why does it seem like that's your purpose too often of the time. I really think you could be a good contributor to this site if you weren't such a douche constantly. Please sir, share some of your knowledge with us, bless us with a gem.



that is what i said. I also said that the government should encourage companies to hire minorities and give them the oppurtunity to prove themselves via money or other possible solutions. Let's not forget though, qualifications are often no more then words on paper, it doesn't actually mean the person with the best qualifications will be the best for the job.


that was funny to me - he called him a foul name then said:

my intention was not to get into a name calling contest with you,

then he wrote:

I really think you could be a good contributor to this site if you weren't such a douche constantly.


LMAO !

then asked for guidance here:


Please sir, share some of your knowledge with us, bless us with a gem.

oh shit man this is some good stuff

7EL7
11-29-2006, 08:56 PM
There is no use at all in trying to explain/bring understanding to any one with a white supremist mind - however it is good to beat them up everyday in these type of forums - they are so numb that they don't even know they gettin beat up lol - its good for the readers/on lookers to see how very stupid they are

IrOnMaN
11-29-2006, 09:15 PM
^^^Excellent post, my friend.:clap:

maestro wooz
11-29-2006, 10:02 PM
Why is it the first thing you do is call somebody out of their name? How many times have I called you out of your name or made some comment trying to put you down?

The gem was already dropped, but you were to busy saying what you said, instead of just asking for more information. If I call you ____ and then ask you for something, should I expect to receive it?

i expected you to deliver it before i had to call you a self righteous prick, but as usual you just talk out of your ass. And yes, i felt like you were trying to "put me down" with this.

Funny how people want an in depth conversation about things they really don't know about. All they know is what they "heard" somebody or something say, without any real research into the matter. Has anybody read any books on this matter, read what the law actually states, when it came into existence, anything?

were you not?

And for the great Alvin Preston Steven Uratius, i said it was not my intention to get into a name calling contest. Once it became clear that he's never gonna deliver on his wealth of information i had no problems calling him a douche.

As it stands, ive yet to see blackman post any information aside from throwing out broad statements about how it was started for the white man and how no one else knows as much as him. If you've ever seen him post before, this shouldn't come as a suprise.


There is no use at all in trying to explain/bring understanding to any one with a white supremist mind - however it is good to beat them up everyday in these type of forums - they are so numb that they don't even know they gettin beat up lol - its good for the readers/on lookers to see how very stupid they are

it's funny because if you change the word "white" to "black" that'd pretty much sum up exactly how alot of this forum feels about you and some of your friends. One thing to note, these people with "white supremecist" minds have been putting up opinions and discussing the topic calmly while most of the "other side" has only been belittling them and talking about how much they don't know. If you've ever been on this forum before, this should come as no suprise.

I think it's wrong for the government to tell private companies who they can hire first of all, I oppose affirmative action on the constitutional level first and foremost, something can be worked out where companies are encouraged to adopt the policy or the government pays the companies extra money for each hire, but the government should not be able to tell you who you can hire. Private business means private.

Secondly, affirmative action helps cause it gives minorities more oppurtunities, which is what they need. Lack of money helps perpetuate the ignorance in the black community, creating more of it for them wouldn't automatically solve the problem but it would go to helping it because that's another stabler household created. But as a provision i think it should be known if someone is an affirmative action hire, on the record. This will allow the company to say "look we're hiring you even though there are better candidates because we want to give you a chance" and if the person is doing a poor job they can fire them for that reason. Companies shouldn't lie about it. This will also put more pressure on the employee to achieve, improve relations for companies that are giving a blacks a chance to make it even though there are better candidates, and give more jobs to black communities.

So you could say i'm not pro-affirmative action but i would be pro a government sponsored policy for companies to adopt that gives underqualified blacks the chance to be hired for a job on the record as an "affirmative action" hire.

Also it shouldn't be for minorities but specifically only for black people. You guys were our slaves about 150 years ago, this is repayment. Sorry about that again.

can i get an attempt from you all to be constructive and get some comments on this? I think i proposed a system that would give the chance for black people who might not be as qualified as a white candidate to get a job, simply because theyre black, while also allowing the companies flexibility if the black employee doesn't work out. Sounds like it would go a ways to helping the problem. Yes? No? Drop a gem?

I agree with you 100%. But shouldn't affirmative action be for everyone, including white males?

nah, i think we should be clear that "affirmative action" is a means of helping the black population that we (the whites, the government) helped put in their state of disadvantage to the white population. I think it'd be wonderful if we could create a program where all people, regardless of color, who come from a "disadvantaged" household are given job oppurtunities and the chance to prove themselves, but that would require alot of thinking and work, which quite frankly i'm just not willing to put in right now. I think the african-american population should be the focus right now because they, along with white americans, are one of the "races" that are original to the United States of America (not america the continent). While we're here, i guess i'd include native americans in the system for jobs since they're in the same vein of state as the african-american population, though only if they don't live on a reservation. Also, i think this program should only be in affect for 20 years or so, with the chance to be renewed after the period, but don't expect the government to be doing the work forever.

7EL7
11-29-2006, 10:23 PM
it's funny because if you change the word "white" to "black" that'd pretty much sum up exactly how alot of this forum feels about you and some of your friends. One thing to note, these people with "white supremecist" minds have been putting up opinions and discussing the topic calmly while most of the "other side" has only been belittling them and talking about how much they don't know. If you've ever been on this forum before, this should come as no suprise.

in the famous words of lil john "!!! WHAT !!!"

how alot of this forum feels about me ?

bwahhh haaa haa

do you care how these colorful words on this forum feel about you
why match me up with how you go about things


some of my friends ?

wtf are you talking about man lol


so you do admit that these people have white supremist minds huh
they don't start off discussing these things calmly
they get calmed down and stomped down
they mope around the forum for a few days
then rise again to get another E whoopin just like the gruntin zombies they are - its good target practice for me though - they'll lay down for good soon when we are finished fuckin wiff them


If you've ever been on this forum before, this should come as no suprise.


nah man - i never been on this forum before - but you shure do seem to think you know me well

snapple
11-29-2006, 10:35 PM
In my case, the job was given to three women who were all less qualified than I were. Affirmative action is about trying to look multicultural and friendly to females.

Yeah how stupid of me to be anti affirmative action when I myself started this system. Christ.

You're just done because you can't convince me how affirmative action is the solution to all racial problems.

i said i was done with you. but i refuse to go out like a chump to some ignorant punk like yourself. quote where i said affirmative action with be the sollution to all the racial problems. fucking liar. "i've been a victim of affirmative action" you don't even have a fucking clue what it is to be a victim, you're clearly a white male you have it much easier stop lying to yourself and looking for sympathy and calling youself a victim. i can't even get my thought process straight this is the craziest shit ive heard in a long time, where the fuck are you from?

maestro wooz
11-29-2006, 10:38 PM
ah yes, the old focus on the words and avoid the points i made approach.

If you've ever been on this forum before, this should come as no suprise.


Truth is i have no idea who you are, you've forever been reluctant to reveal any personal information about yourself. But you've made alot of posts over the years and from reading them i think i know you decently well, at least concerning the things you speak on. If who you are on the internet is not who you are for real and we should make no assumptions about who you are based on your posts then, well, why are you doing that?

7EL7
11-29-2006, 11:13 PM
ah yes, the old focus on the words and avoid the points i made approach.


avoid the points ?

lmao

what point ?

there is not point in what you type because what you typed made no sense to me - hence the "!!!WHAT!!!"




Truth is i have no idea who you are, you've forever been reluctant to reveal any personal information about yourself.


is this another A/S/L thing

i'm so tired of men asking me for my personal information online
wtf is that about ?

But you've made alot of posts over the years and from reading them i think i know you decently well,


not if your reading comprehension skills are like that of 3 grader

at least concerning the things you speak on. If who you are on the internet is not who you are for real and we should make no assumptions about who you are based on your posts then, well,

why are you doing that?


STOP !



Trying to look/sound smart - instead concentrate on what you really wanna say then type it - don't worry about wether or not i'm like this offline and focus on the words, try to understand them, and reply accordingly.

7EL7
11-29-2006, 11:15 PM
And on top of that, whites should have left black people attend to their communities and their businesses instead of being jealous of the success and start burning sh*t down, and whites wouldn't be in this position.


Echo this 19 billion times

its like everything we do, there they go, trying to exploit it,control it, then claim it for themselves.

They hate the NGE and The Black Man being God, but they stay on WU TANG corp.

WHY ?


What place does a white supremist have on a Official Wu Tang board ?


to start trouble perhaps

yall don't know how stupid yall look

LHX
11-29-2006, 11:36 PM
where else is there to go except Wu Tang Corp?

its not like there is a bunch of good forums out there where people read posts and take time to try and really communicate


fuck the shouldve wouldve couldve bullshit

maybe its time for everybody to start evolving their approach to things a little bit


there has to be a alternative to whining and fingerpointing and more whining


lol
even if somebody did come to this forum with good intentions, they would get painted with whatever brush people find convenient



good ol wu-tang corp

the only place where i have been accused of being a black supremist and a white supremist and then a useless moderator

all in the same hour



bottom line is - anybody who has the slave-driver mentality is going to get washed away in this universe like a fleeting memory
they are like walking fossils
and there is a lot of people infected with that disease


once everybody got taught to fear and desire, that shit spread all over the place
and sometimes it goes unnoticed like a dormant virus

but the truth comes out of everybody eventually


and
obviously
everybody will be eventually forgiven, but that dont mean its gonna be comfortable or quick and easy



fear and desire

yuck

7EL7
11-29-2006, 11:41 PM
dam - who called you a white supremist

white supremist will never help a black person do anything to better him/her self

i need to learn how to work that torrent shit - help a nigga out

LHX
11-29-2006, 11:43 PM
where you at?

did you DL that program?

7EL7
11-29-2006, 11:45 PM
you on ?

LHX
11-29-2006, 11:46 PM
yes

Visionz
11-30-2006, 12:45 AM
haha youd have to be stupid to have a black lawyer hahahahah Johnny Cochran?

maestro wooz
11-30-2006, 01:23 AM
Honestly i just wanted to talk about affirmative action in this thread when i made that first post about what i thought would help the problem. I would be interested if black man could just fucking post some evidence behind what he's talking about and not just get people angry. I'll just make another thread next time.

I feel if i am to communicate with you i'll have to adopt the tactic of replying to every single line, no matter the actual relevance, and explaining every single thing.

avoid the points ?

lmao

interesting start

what point ?

that you avoided the fact that, i said the exact same way you think of people with "white supremecist" mentalities, your term not mine, think pretty much the same of you. Ironic? I don't think like that but i know i did for awhile, and that when alot of people come in here and get disgusted with the nge, that's how they feel. Most people get past that and come to a mutual respect and no longer feel that way. And yes, i am equating the nge to a black supremecist group, i don't feel threatened by it and i don't care if you believe that way, but that is what it is. And no, i don't mean a black militant belief, but that african "original people" > caucasians, asians, or whatever you believe.


there is not point in what you type because what you typed made no sense to me - hence the "!!!WHAT!!!"

really shades of sam7 at this point. What's next, are you gonna call me an ASSCLOWN?








Echo this 19 billion times


really that many?

its like everything we do, there they go, trying to exploit it,control it, then claim it for themselves.


Who? Who are you accusing here? White people? Jasper? The Man? The system? The military industrial complex? The only people that feel like that are the bad people in the world, they do that to everyone. Please just say it so we can be clear who you are accusing. You don't have to talk down to us.


They hate the NGE and The Black Man being God, but they stay on WU TANG corp.

WHY ?


it's called understanding. You don't have to be exactly the same as a person to coexist with them. You can talk to and be interested by all types of people apsu, all types. Even the blacks. That's why people stay on this board.


What place does a white supremist have on a Official Wu Tang board ?


none, there are none on this board.



to start trouble perhaps

yall don't know how stupid yall look

okay thanks, think the exact same about you pal









fuck that wutangcorp is the bomb, you can argue with whites, blacks, asians, indians, latinos living in london, dutch, tons of people from new jersey, mormon i bet somewhere, california, copenhagen, nebraska, boston, ft. lauderdale, south africa, and shit damn near everything else.

EAGLE EYE
11-30-2006, 01:24 AM
Johnny Cochran?

A lot of people still dont realize the mans dead. I cant wait to hear a black celebrity/athlete who gets caught in another scandal say their gonna hire Cochran. They will look retarded.

Visionz
11-30-2006, 01:27 AM
word, that would be amusing. I was shocked when I heard he passed. He was still in his 50's right? I know it was from an annurisim (sp?)


regardless, Johnny Cochran was a good, black lawyer, Thurgood Marshall was another and I'm sure there was a lot more that I just don't know about.


It's funny cuz the word "build" comes up alot in these discussion but more often "destroy" seems to be the operative word. Maybe its all just a necessary part of the process......................but it might not be either.

maestro wooz
11-30-2006, 01:35 AM
i'm openly in an argument at this point. I think this guy is crazy and i got time and energy to argue with him. I'd consider it building.

Visionz
11-30-2006, 01:53 AM
that statement wasn't aimed at any one person, more of a general feeling of the last seven or so pages.

I don't normally pay much attention to any of those inspirational words of wisdom posters they always have hanging around the offices at my college but I saw one getting a schedule change the other day that actually held some weight to it, but anyways it said "Being right is not enough. You must also be effective." when I read it I couldn't agree more.

Sexy Jasper
11-30-2006, 07:26 AM
i said i was done with you. but i refuse to go out like a chump to some ignorant punk like yourself. quote where i said affirmative action with be the sollution to all the racial problems. fucking liar. "i've been a victim of affirmative action" you don't even have a fucking clue what it is to be a victim, you're clearly a white male you have it much easier stop lying to yourself and looking for sympathy and calling youself a victim. i can't even get my thought process straight this is the craziest shit ive heard in a long time, where the fuck are you from?You can't convince me of the benefits of affirmative action, maybe if you gave us some examples you might change my mind. But you rather just dissagree with anything I say and call me names.

Hey I might not have been whipped across as you have, but I wanted a job at the firesquad. I wanted it badly and needed it too at that time. And like I said, I didn't get it because they had to hire at least three women and the women competing were all slower than me. So yes, I'm a victim of this affirmative action.

Let's see you come back again with more name calling now.

7EL7
11-30-2006, 07:56 AM
Johnny Cochran?


you see - see how stupid they make themselves look

7EL7
11-30-2006, 07:59 AM
Honestly i just wanted to talk about affirmative action in this thread when i made that first post about what i thought would help the problem. I would be interested if black man could just fucking post some evidence behind what he's talking about and not just get people angry. I'll just make another thread next time.

I feel if i am to communicate with you i'll have to adopt the tactic of replying to every single line, no matter the actual relevance, and explaining every single thing.



interesting start



that you avoided the fact that, i said the exact same way you think of people with "white supremecist" mentalities, your term not mine, think pretty much the same of you. Ironic? I don't think like that but i know i did for awhile, and that when alot of people come in here and get disgusted with the nge, that's how they feel. Most people get past that and come to a mutual respect and no longer feel that way. And yes, i am equating the nge to a black supremecist group, i don't feel threatened by it and i don't care if you believe that way, but that is what it is. And no, i don't mean a black militant belief, but that african "original people" > caucasians, asians, or whatever you believe.



really shades of sam7 at this point. What's next, are you gonna call me an ASSCLOWN?









really that many?



Who? Who are you accusing here? White people? Jasper? The Man? The system? The military industrial complex? The only people that feel like that are the bad people in the world, they do that to everyone. Please just say it so we can be clear who you are accusing. You don't have to talk down to us.



it's called understanding. You don't have to be exactly the same as a person to coexist with them. You can talk to and be interested by all types of people apsu, all types. Even the blacks. That's why people stay on this board.



none, there are none on this board.



okay thanks, think the exact same about you pal









fuck that wutangcorp is the bomb, you can argue with whites, blacks, asians, indians, latinos living in london, dutch, tons of people from new jersey, mormon i bet somewhere, california, copenhagen, nebraska, boston, ft. lauderdale, south africa, and shit damn near everything else.




you ain't ready wooz

you feel like you did something up here but you ain't ready

Sexy Jasper
11-30-2006, 10:19 AM
Amen to Wooz.

Black Man
11-30-2006, 10:22 AM
You mean Aff. action was started by white males, not for white males. White males were the only ones that have not been through suffrage. Minorties (every other race other than white) and white women are the only ones that have been through some sort of suffrage. African-Americans, Arabs, Jews, and Asians are real victims of suffrage.

Aren't you African-American? You should know this. Thanks

I said what I mean. A. Action was for white males, do some more digging. What it is today, doesn't mean it was like that yesterday.

snapple
11-30-2006, 11:38 AM
You can't convince me of the benefits of affirmative action, maybe if you gave us some examples you might change my mind. But you rather just dissagree with anything I say and call me names.

Hey I might not have been whipped across as you have, but I wanted a job at the firesquad. I wanted it badly and needed it too at that time. And like I said, I didn't get it because they had to hire at least three women and the women competing were all slower than me. So yes, I'm a victim of this affirmative action.

Let's see you come back again with more name calling now.


oh yea, they told you that, or did you put that in your head cause you got sonned by some women hahahahaha, i wish i could hear the other sides to this story but unfortuantly i dont know you or where youre from.

no, you chose to not hear what i said to say. ok, lets talk about women since race is something you don't have a clue about. do you know what the glass ceiling means?

Black Man
11-30-2006, 11:46 AM
maestro wooz, what exactly would you like to discuss concerning affirmative action?

Sexy Jasper
11-30-2006, 12:07 PM
People should be hired based on their qualities, regardless of their race or gender. If you're not fit for the job, tough luck. If I were a heart patient ready for surgery, I'd rather be operated by someone who is hired for his skills and not because the hospital wants to be hip.

it's cool that you don't beleive in afirmitive action


"I don't understand how anyone could even try and disagree with that."

thats really sad though, the fact that you fail to see the world for how it really is.

I'm not saying anything else than that the most qualified person should be hired for the job. I can't think of any situation this wouldn't apply.
Here is when it all went wrong. See, you dissagree with me, but but never explained why.

oh yea, they told you that, or did you put that in your head cause you got sonned by some women hahahahaha, i wish i could hear the other sides to this story but unfortuantly i dont know you or where youre from.

no, you chose to not hear what i said to say. ok, lets talk about women since race is something you don't have a clue about. do you know what the glass ceiling means?I got sonned by affirmative action you mean. And yes, I've seen all the test results, the three women who got the job were a lot slower than me and thier end score wasn't anywhere near mine. We're not even talking about race, we're talking about a program that discriminates. Let's get back to the point I made a couple of times and you have yet to explain why you think not the most qualified people should be hired, but less qualified people who may have lesser chances.

snapple
11-30-2006, 12:10 PM
Here is when it all went wrong. See, you dissagree with me, but but never explained why.

I got sonned by affirmative action you mean. And yes, I've seen all the test results, the three women who got the job were a lot slower than me and thier end score wasn't anywhere near mine. We're not even talking about race, we're talking about a program that discriminates. Let's get back to the point I made a couple of times and you have yet to explain why you think not the most qualified people should be hired, but less qualified people who may have lesser chances.

no, i know what I mean, you aren't gonna tell me what i mean first of all. ok, youre really thig ignorant. i'm gonna have to talk to you like i would a child. How did you become qualified for all your jobs Erikas Finest?

Sexy Jasper
11-30-2006, 12:15 PM
Job experience, degrees and my charming personality. Are we going anywhere with this?

snapple
11-30-2006, 01:16 PM
Job experience, degrees and my charming personality. Are we going anywhere with this?


Now, for people unlike you, obtaining job experience, and degrees is MUCH MUCH MUCH more difficult, based off the fact of ethnicity and where peoples come from. you were fortunate enough to be allowed to have job expierences and degrees. a lot of people are denied these oppurtunities due to racism. I'm gonna show you where we're going with this.

Visionz
11-30-2006, 01:18 PM
you see - see how stupid they make themselves look

can't tell if that was directed to me or at me, though I don't personally feel guilty by association w/ the whole stupidity thing

Visionz
11-30-2006, 01:23 PM
Missed in this whole conversation concerning jobs is that almost everytime someone landed a job it's because of who they knew. I would say its the single-most important factor regardless of skin color and if nobody you know has got a decent job then that's going to create problems.

maestro wooz
11-30-2006, 02:47 PM
you ain't ready wooz

you feel like you did something up here but you ain't ready


fuck it though, i'm not gonna stop trying. I can only hope that one day i am worthy.

7EL7
11-30-2006, 02:51 PM
fuck it though, i'm not gonna stop trying. I can only hope that one day i am worthy.


this wasn't expected

Gawd
11-30-2006, 02:52 PM
if you dont agree with that dood or black man or snapple, instead of continuing with their points and opinions they just give up and say some stupid shit like; you dont know anything, you aint ready, your a white supremist etc etc. Lame. Cant even finish a debate without becoming like a scorn woman in an argument. You know how women do. They say their peice as best as they can and then they run and hide in the bathroom or they hang up the phone. Lawls at all the women here.

Gawd
11-30-2006, 02:53 PM
this wasn't expected

it was sarcasm inspector.

maestro wooz
11-30-2006, 02:53 PM
maestro wooz, what exactly would you like to discuss concerning affirmative action?


I said what I mean. A. Action was for white males, do some more digging. What it is today, doesn't mean it was like that yesterday.


i've been looking for something to give any legs to what you've been saying, but i don't see anything. Give me a name at least?

7EL7
11-30-2006, 02:54 PM
if you dont agree with that dood or black man or snapple, instead of continuing with their points and opinions they just give up and say some stupid shit like; you dont know anything, you aint ready, your a white supremist etc etc. Lame. Cant even finish a debate without becoming like a scorn woman in an argument. You know how women do. They say their peice as best as they can and then they run and hide in the bathroom or they hang up the phone. Lawls at all the women here.


yeah because yall always prove us wrong everytime
we have to run from your superior intellect
instead of standing there saying the same thing over and over and over again


i'm on the floor right now suffering from baby punches

7EL7
11-30-2006, 02:55 PM
it was sarcasm inspector.


for real ?


there is no way i would have found that out

i guess the white man is gawd

thank you for your superior mind

what would us niggas do without yall

Gawd
11-30-2006, 05:06 PM
yeah because yall always prove us wrong everytime
we have to run from your superior intellect
instead of standing there saying the same thing over and over and over again sounds like you and black man to me......


i'm on the floor right now suffering from baby punches
thought we were to build in this forum...not prove each other wrong. must be your goal.

Black Man
11-30-2006, 05:16 PM
i've been looking for something to give any legs to what you've been saying, but i don't see anything. Give me a name at least?

When I'm able to pass more detailed information along I will do so. If you're looking on the internet, I don't know where to point because I really don't use the internet for research.

This topic is something I don't get into to much. I'm not an advocate of affirmative action(in it's current state), although I do recognize there's advantages being of the white race and this was something done to try and help balance that out, or so they say.

If you can't find it on the net, go to a library. I personally prefer a book to the computer and the reward is much better when you put in some leg work. Doing a "google" search when you find what you're looking, I say it has less personal value because it didn't take anything to get that info.

Black Man
11-30-2006, 05:20 PM
Build....I think some of us been listening to the Wu a little to much. Talking about stuff isn't building. When something is being "built" there's physical evidence of it.

7EL7
11-30-2006, 05:25 PM
Cant even finish a debate without becoming like a scorn woman in an argument.




thought we were to build in this forum...not prove each other wrong. must be your goal.


so hypocritical

if i leave and don't respond to stupid shit don't get mad ok

take it as a mercy win for you

i got bigger fish to fry

plus you lost a long time ago and your career is over


you can't put Robert Matthew Van Winkle against Papoose

Sexy Jasper
11-30-2006, 05:36 PM
Now, for people unlike you, obtaining job experience, and degrees is MUCH MUCH MUCH more difficult, based off the fact of ethnicity and where peoples come from. you were fortunate enough to be allowed to have job expierences and degrees. a lot of people are denied these oppurtunities due to racism. I'm gonna show you where we're going with this.So far there's nothing I dissagree with...
Ok, so what's the next step.

7EL7
11-30-2006, 05:50 PM
why is there a discussion about affirmative action in 2 threads ?


hmmmmm


you agents are good


how much yall gettin paid to do all this ?

Sexy Jasper
11-30-2006, 05:52 PM
If there were any good mods around, they would merge it all into one thread...

7EL7
11-30-2006, 05:56 PM
my question had nothing to do wiff mods

stop starting trouble

who brought up affirmative action lets see

Sexy Jasper
11-30-2006, 06:09 PM
I'm not starting trouble, I'm just joking around, me and LHX are cool.

Let me know when you find out.