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maestro wooz
11-30-2006, 10:50 PM
"The most persistent form of the antagonism between the Jew and the Christian is the religious antagonism. How is an antagonism to be resolved? By making it impossible. And how is a religious antagonism made impossible? By abolishing religion. Once Jew and Christian recopognize their respective religions as nothing more than different stages in the evolution of the human spirit, as different snake skins shed by history, and recognize man the snake that wore them, they will no longer find themselves in religious antagonism but only in a critical, scientific, and human relationship. Science, then, constitutes their unity."

"If we find even in a country with full political emancipation, that religion not only exists, but is fresh and vital, we have proof that the existence of religion is not incompatible with the full development of the state. But since the existence of religions implies a defect, the source of this defect must be sought in the nature of the state itself. We no longer take religion to be the basis, but only the manifestation, of secular narrowness. Hence, we explain religion's restriction of free citizens on the basis of their secular restriction. We do not claim that they must transcend their religious restrictions in order to transcend their secular limitations. We do claim that they will transcend their religious restriction, once they have transcended their secular limitations."

LHX
02-01-2007, 11:54 PM
funny you mention that

on another forum i post at, a dude made this comment today:

Don't forget that the human is an animal that wants to find meaning in it's actions. Even false meaning.

It is an animal that believes that even false meaning is better than no meaning at all.

Hence, religion.

what would enable people to transcend 'secular limitations'?

maestro wooz
02-02-2007, 12:18 AM
not exactly sure, this is marx from last semester and i don't have my notebook with me. I believe it was some sort of general gaining of awareness, possibly through a revolution. This occurence is neccesary for the communist epoch of history.

Os3y3ris
02-02-2007, 12:20 AM
I think that religion is a necessity. Science can only take us so far and only tell us so much. You've got to step out of the realm of the scientific sometimes.

maestro wooz
02-02-2007, 12:23 AM
I think that religion is a necessity. Science can only take us so far and only tell us so much. You've got to step out of the realm of the scientific sometimes.


so then you believe that some religion out there is actually true?

maestro wooz
02-02-2007, 12:27 AM
i don't think he means the end of spirituality, but the end of religion.

Os3y3ris
02-02-2007, 12:33 AM
so then you believe that some religion out there is actually true?

For all intents and purposes, yes. The problem is that with our limited perspective, we can't possibly understand this and therefore rely on either blind faith or disbelief, both of which yield no results. The death of ego is the birth of God and therefore the birth of self. To reap the benefits of religion, whether on an organized level or simply an individual spiritual level, one must open the third eye and see for themselves what lies beyond the walls of reality.

Basically, smoke Salvia.

Os3y3ris
02-02-2007, 12:35 AM
i don't think he means the end of spirituality, but the end of religion.

Whats religion but a shared spirituality?

maestro wooz
02-02-2007, 12:41 AM
For all intents and purposes, yes. The problem is that with our limited perspective, we can't possibly understand this and therefore rely on either blind faith or disbelief, both of which yield no results. The death of ego is the birth of God and therefore the birth of self. To reap the benefits of religion, whether on an organized level or simply an individual spiritual level, one must open the third eye and see for themselves what lies beyond the walls of reality.

Basically, smoke Salvia.


a revolution of salvia smoking, i think that could find a niche.

Whats religion but a shared spirituality?

religion is supposed to be a spirituality but it becomes a means of identification for people. "I'm a christian" "I'm a protestant" "I'm muslim" "I'm jewish" The existence of more then one religion unfortunately means that the masses are gonna think they are better then the other religions, the "i've got it right" factor. If there could be some acknowledgement of equality throughout all religions, they might be able to work. Or we find out which one is right one day.

LHX
02-02-2007, 12:43 AM
a religion is a shared spirituality with a tendency to enforce rules

LHX
02-02-2007, 12:45 AM
religion is supposed to be a spirituality but it becomes a means of identification for people. "I'm a christian" "I'm a protestant" "I'm muslim" "I'm jewish" The existence of more then one religion unfortunately means that the masses are gonna think they are better then the other religions, the "i've got it right" factor. If there could be some acknowledgement of equality throughout all religions, they might be able to work. Or we find out which one is right one day.

it depends on what you are looking for

they all have 'right' elements



tolerance is great

so is the understanding that you can say the same thing many different ways

Os3y3ris
02-02-2007, 12:47 AM
Well, the issue is that they haven't properly killed their egos before attempting to engage in spiritual practice. Smoke more Salvia and just let her spiral. You won't have any time to worry about someone elses religion because you'll be too busy living yours.

LHX
02-02-2007, 12:50 AM
Well, the issue is that they haven't properly killed their egos before attempting to engage in spiritual practice. Smoke more Salvia and just let her spiral. You won't have any time to worry about someone elses religion because you'll be too busy living yours.

lmfao

O owns stocks in salvia research and development


take them training wheels off your bike homie

hagakure delivers all the goods salvia does

maestro wooz
02-02-2007, 12:53 AM
it depends on what you are looking for

they all have 'right' elements



tolerance is great

so is the understanding that you can say the same thing many different ways


yeah, imagine if every christian read the koran and every muslim read the bible. A worldwide holy book swapping event.

maestro wooz
02-02-2007, 12:55 AM
lmfao

O owns stocks in salvia research and development


take them training wheels off your bike homie

hagakure delivers all the goods salvia does


have you put down the beans and rice for sword and shield?

LHX
02-02-2007, 12:59 AM
beans and rice are the sword and shield


LHX - shoots the fair one

Os3y3ris
02-02-2007, 01:05 AM
Nah man. See, you can read the hagakure. You know who wrote the book, where you got it and what the words mean. You also may understand the ideas, or at least think you understand the ideas. You may or may not choose to apply the ideas. You can put the hagakure down and read another book. You can read it once, read it twice, or not read it at all.

You take two drags off that Salvia though and the first and last moment of your life is the spiral. Everything else expands in both directions as the uncreation spirals rebuild your life. What you knew before is uncertain as reality blends with unreality so there is nothing before Salvia. Its the filter you view the world through. Salvia spirals so there is nothing after Salvia. Its the history of your future. The mathematics of this is downloaded directly into your mind and you understand that you'll never understand more than a portion of the math at one time. Trust me, nothing in this universe is comperable to Salvia. Books can take you to a higher level of thinking and action through the introduction of ideas, but Salvia works beyond all comprehension.

maestro wooz
02-02-2007, 01:07 AM
beans and rice are the sword and shield


LHX - shoots the fair one


deep