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kurupt_kw
12-01-2006, 11:52 AM
I live on the prairies and there are many reservations around here. I have driven through many and witnessed only a slight glimpse of what goes on. I have seen.......

-New houses with broken/boarded up windows and generally run down.
-Yards with literally hundreds of beer bottles scattered around the yard.
-People passed out drunk on fields, tables etc. in the middle of the day.
etc. etc.

Depending on the tribe/band some of the people on the reservations recieve free housing, money, vehicles among other things. My question is do people just give up on life in these situations?? I mean since they get hand outs and don't have to do anything for themselves do people just let their life pass them by?? You can't deny that there is much alcoholism and consumption in some resevations. Why is that?? Is it because the people don't care, lose passion for life, boredom, falling into societies perception of how things are?? It seems to me that some do not appreciate what they have in life and instead focus on the negative. Society and history has not made it easy for natives and I can see where lots of the negativity has come from. I live in a city of 200,000 and the native population is probably around 10-20%. The blatant racism and prejudice is very much present and I see or hear it almost everyday.

If/when I buy a house I will take care of it and keep it up yet on the reservation I see new houses that have been given to families for nothing and they let it get run down to where it looks like trash to the point that it should probably be condemned. I am very interested to hear your point of view on the people's mind set and views on life while living on the reservation.

It saddens me to see some of the things I have. As an outsider looking in, is there anything I can do/society can do to help??

You're Wounded Knee Masacre thread is very insightful and interesting to me. In that thread you said in time your culture will be extinct. If others such as yourself would step up and educate your cultures history things wouldn't have to be that way.

I have been to a few educational pow wow's and was impressed with every aspect. The headdress and clothing is very intricate and beautiful. Put together with the spirituality, drum, chants, and dance it is very impressive. The cultural art whether it be paintings, dream catchers, sculptures, totem poles are very beautiful. There is much of the Native American culture that would be devastating to lose.

WARPATH
12-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Depending on the tribe/band some of the people on the reservations recieve free housing, money, vehicles among other things. My question is do people just give up on life in these situations??

Some of the richer tribes recieve money every few weeks, this is true. But then again, there isn't always jobs available, some people become idle. It's cycle of alcholoism that's been around since people have been put on reservations.

BUT-

I can't really speak on those tribes, because I haven't lived amongst them, or really know how it is.

HOWEVER-

My tribe does recieve free housing. It's just that you have to wait years to recieve a house. You could be waiting 10 or 15 years. So what happens?

Reletives live together. Large families together in one home.

-New houses with broken/boarded up windows and generally run down.
-People passed out drunk on fields, tables etc. in the middle of the day.
etc. etc.


Natives get out of hand when they party. Alcohol effects us differently because it has not been part of our diet for years like other cultures.

Strictly speaking about prairie natives- the main staple of their diet was meat. They were hunters first, gathers second, and never farmers.

The body always craves what's not good for it. Sugar wasn't a big part of our diet. Our bodies just tolerate things differently, that's why you have a large number of natives that become diebetics.

Alcholoism is hereditary. It's easier for Natives to become alcoholics. Once you get hooked in that cycle it's hard to break free.

-Yards with literally hundreds of beer bottles scattered around the yard.


Dirty yards can be party contributed to a lack of a sanitation department, and tribal ordinances.

For example- in cities and small towns you have dumpsters behind your house, in an alley or down the street where you can put your garbage, and a truck will come and pick it up and it disappears from sight.

On reservations, you have to physically haul your trash to land fill that's near the community. When the wind blows, that trash rolls back in.

or

If you don't have the means to haul your own trash, it builds up, get set outside, and the dogs tear open the bags.

or

some people are just lazy, and with out a law to stop them, they just don't care.


You can't deny that there is much alcoholism and consumption in some resevations. Why is that?? Is it because the people don't care, lose passion for life, boredom, falling into societies perception of how things are??


Alcohol was never part of Native culture. The government new this when they started to expend west, and they used it to their advantage.

Giving natives alcohol, bribing them with it, and then having them sign treaties to take over land- that was the start of it.

When Natives lost their culture and were forced onto reservations, they didn't know what to do with their lives. They were told they had to become farmers, but the resevation land was so bad, even an expert farmer would have a hard time. They were banned from practicing their religion, and so Many people became alcoholics.

It's a cycle. My grandfather was an alcoholic, my father was an alcoholic, and now i'm an alcoholic. So I don't drink, and maybe my son won't.

That's part of it, the other part is like you siad- boredom.

Other reasons are a lack of jobs and depression. There isn't very many oppurtunities on the reservation.


If/when I buy a house I will take care of it and keep it up yet on the reservation I see new houses that have been given to families for nothing and they let it get run down to where it looks like trash to the point that it should probably be condemned. I am very interested to hear your point of view on the people's mind set and views on life while living on the reservation.


Owning a house takes money. You need money to maintain that house. If you have a large family in one house, the wear and tear's gonna make it become rundown quicker. Now add alcohol and some windows are gonna get broken. People don't want to spend their money on fixing shit, when your an alcoholic you just want to drink.

It's not that people don't care about their homes, they either don't have the money to maintain those homes, or they would rather spend what little money they have on other things that our more important to them.


It saddens me to see some of the things I have. As an outsider looking in, is there anything I can do/society can do to help??

Many churches come in and try and help, but it doesn't make to much of a difference. The obvious answer is to give natives their claims to what was unjustfully taken, but since this is not feasible in this day and age- The best way to help reservations now, is to build infastructure so the people can take care of themselves.

Water lines, power, phone/internet lines. Buisness and Jobs. Strengthing our public schools to establish a work base, would help encougage buisnessess to build on the reservations, but we need to deal with shady tribal government.

I think tourism would be good, casinos with resorts, cutural musuems, anything to get white people on the reservation to spend their money.


You're Wounded Knee Masacre thread is very insightful and interesting to me. In that thread you said in time your culture will be extinct. If others such as yourself would step up and educate your cultures history things wouldn't have to be that way.


I agree.

There has been an spiritual awakening among many people on the reservation as we are starting to recover what culture we have left. The best way is to lead by example. You can't force people into something they don't understand. They need to see for themselves what it's all about.

Christianity has demonized our culutural practices. Natives are made out to seem like stupid cave men that run around naked. It's that public perception you were talking about. Many natives are christians today, and they find that some of the things that our in Native culture are taboo.


I have been to a few educational pow wow's and was impressed with every aspect. The headdress and clothing is very intricate and beautiful. Put together with the spirituality, drum, chants, and dance it is very impressive. The cultural art whether it be paintings, dream catchers, sculptures, totem poles are very beautiful. There is much of the Native American culture that would be devastating to lose.


Pow-wows are excellent form of entertainment. It's a reason for natives to gather, maybe try and make some money. It's sort of a "new addition" to our cluture, because pow-wows weren't part of our old traditions. Pow-wows emerged within the last......100-50 years, i'm not sure. Alot of our culture spills into pow-wows like you siad- the drum, chants, and spirituality. It mixes differnt native cultures' art forms.

But the real culture:

relgions ceromines like sundances and sweatlodes, kinship, medicines, language- Knowledge

These are the things that are becoming lost.

Sicka than aidZ
12-03-2006, 07:11 PM
huge familiez and lotz of partiez on the rez but there'z peepz passed out in lawnz everywhere man. do u live in the sticks or what cuz i see the same shit everywhere there'z city'z and hoodz not just at home

kurupt_kw
12-05-2006, 03:51 PM
Much appreciation for your insight Soldier. If I sounded clueless as to how things are it's because I am. As I have said I am an outsider looking in. It interests me to have a little bit better of an understanding of how life is and can be.

Living in Canada there is most likely many differences. I think that bands here probably receive more grants from the gov't and I know of recent situations where more land has been granted out. My brother in law does not know reservation life and frankly has nothing to do with his band yet they still gave him money to buy a nice brand new car and has funded and brought in contractors to do renovations and upgrades on his house as well as received sums of money to do whatever he wanted.

Looking at pics of your res; it is definitely worse than the reservations I have seen. Around here, the reservations (the ones I've seen) have newer homes that have been run down in only a few years. To see a nice big two storey home that is probably no older than 25 years old, run down to the point where it looks like it should be condemned is incredible to me.

I guess what I see and what you live in is really different in that it seems that in my area there is much more money. At the same time though it is the same in consumption, morale etc. I never even considered depression but that does make perfect sense. I experienced slight depression and it affected we in a very negative way. Had I gone though it for any length of time; alcohol and drugs would most likely be my only friend right now. Living with much of your family in smaller houses, poverty and whatever obstacles there may be could put many into depression which could spiral into alcoholism/drug abuse which would negatively affect the children in the household. The children see this and fall into the same lifestyle.

As I said there is a lot of racism towards natives in my city. My godchild, nieces and nephews have seen a bit of racism as children and when they get older I can only assume things will get much worse. It is going to be an experience for me having to help my family get through some of these situations. Being a white, middle class male I have never had to deal with anything like that.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to respond and shed some insight on how things are. Keep up the good work. I'm sure many others on this site have had their eyes opened from threads you have started.

Sicka than aidZ
12-05-2006, 04:21 PM
i dont know it really isnt that bad at all where i stay....we get government handoutz for everything but we arent like some canadian tribez that get 2 g'z in the mail every month for each member. we had really corrupt tribal government at one time but they were banned from the tribe and some were even imprisoned but that has to do more with drugz and misuse of fundz to smuggle drugz. i got fam thatz in jail and it suckz but if u knew the people im talking about you'd be glad they're gone, we kind of all are. around here tho you'll lose your house if u fuck it up and there'z a grip of tribal memberz who will see to it. then there'z folkz everyone knowz and peepz just look the other way but once the garbage getz to a certain point people get thrown out.
there'z alot of tribal construction here too and u know construction workerz hate to see nice housez go to shit so they're quick to report damages since they probably built the place gettin fucked up. quite simple, we know who doesnt give a shit about property, we know who'z a drunk, and they dont get none. i dont know, if they wanna fuck shit up and drink and cause trouble they can live in the jail we're to the point we dont give a fuck, kinda like everywhere else.

kurupt_kw
12-05-2006, 04:25 PM
huge familiez and lotz of partiez on the rez but there'z peepz passed out in lawnz everywhere man. do u live in the sticks or what cuz i see the same shit everywhere there'z city'z and hoodz not just at home


I live in a Canadian city of about 220,000. I never really see people passed out on lawns or anywhere. I work downtown and even there I don't see any panhandlers or anyone passed out on the streets. Our "hood" isn't too bad. When I go to party there things can get pretty crazy but people don't pass out on lawns or outside anywhere. The majority of our hood is native. I guess I don't see it happen in the city but around the reservations i've witnessed it with my own eyes. During the winter there are deaths from people passing out in the snow and freezing to death.

Sicka than aidZ
12-05-2006, 04:34 PM
I live in a Canadian city of about 220,000. I never really see people passed out on lawns or anywhere. I work downtown and even there I don't see any panhandlers or anyone passed out on the streets. Our "hood" isn't too bad. When I go to party there things can get pretty crazy but people don't pass out on lawns or outside anywhere. The majority of our hood is native. I guess I don't see it happen in the city but around the reservations i've witnessed it with my own eyes. During the winter there are deaths from people passing out in the snow and freezing to death.
yeah canada has a way of corraling the fuck upz...like east hastingz in vancouver , i admit there'z a ton of nativez gettin wasted there, thatz the only reason people are there, drugz and you can basically do what u want, pass out, get high, sell your body whatever and the copz dont care as long as u do it there. the heroin problem is staggering. but canada'z nice, and the neighborhoodz with native folkz are pretty nice. i aint saying the reservationz are perfect, u should see the lummi rez itz all bunk. but my rez is on itz feet and there'z very little violence, alcohol related or anything. u know itz like the same people gettin in trouble too. my rez is small but we got construction, casino'z, fishing and crabbing, and pretty good council. tribal copz got fundz and support from other law enforcement like the sheriff'z and shit. itz pretty nice

Sicka than aidZ
12-05-2006, 04:39 PM
itz good talking to u there'z alot of posterz who turn into fagz when they talk about indianz and i just figured id tell you about where i live. lummi rez is like 30 minutez from me. i live on the nooksack rez which used to be a little scary to grow up in cuz of alcohol drugz and gunz but itz pretty cleaned up now. and tribal government is clean too, as far as i know. peace

kurupt_kw
12-05-2006, 05:19 PM
itz good talking to u there'z alot of posterz who turn into fagz when they talk about indianz and i just figured id tell you about where i live. lummi rez is like 30 minutez from me. i live on the nooksack rez which used to be a little scary to grow up in cuz of alcohol drugz and gunz but itz pretty cleaned up now. and tribal government is clean too, as far as i know. peace

I'm glad you say that. I was starting to think that I may sound pretty damn rude about talking about natives in the sense of alcoholism and how they maintain their lives. I mean absolutely no disrespect by it though as I am truly interested. Human nature is a big interest of mine. I like seeing the ways of life for people good or bad. When I was in Vancouver I made my friend wander Hastings at night with me to get a feel of how things are. Although I have been around drugs for many years it was staggering to see people openly shoot needles in the streets.

Sicka than aidZ
12-05-2006, 07:17 PM
yeah itz kinda sad seein the living dead at itz fullest. u obviously are very respectful i could tell from your first post. charging soldier is one of the coolest catz on wucorp and probably in his area too, he'z got yearz of wisdom, u choose a good source to get knowledge from. me, i dont know much so i dont have much to offer, it'z cool u dont know all side'z to indian life, ive had the wrong impression about canada too , i been taught to believe everyone'z soft and there'z no crime and life is perfect but itz far from that in the city'z, some placez got higher murder ratez than otherz but when it comez to drugz man it causez problemz everywhere. it'z a good thing tho cuz canada is a nice place and it wouldnt have such a good rep if some if not most of that wasnt true. sad to say itz the same with native americanz, there'z so many problemz within our race that drinking, violence, and poverty is what stickz out the most. staycool man. peace

Aboriginal God
12-09-2006, 03:01 AM
yeah we got "reservations" here cept they called "missions" or as we call em the mis , cause our where run by the churchs.