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LHX
12-03-2006, 08:47 PM
Vigilante justice is not a reliable long-term option.

Unfortunately, when it comes to something like life, it is not a viable option to kill people.

This is frustrating because we live on a planet where there is a destructive element, and it operates thru people.

So, it stands to reason that if these destructive people were removed, then we would stand a better chance at achieving some sort of enduring life here.

The problem is, it is not us that can do the removing.

These people DO need to be removed, but it cannot be done by other people.

Its part of the nature of society.

People cannot be trusted to have sound judgment. We are instruments that occasionally process information incorrectly and have flawed perceptions.

And when we kill, all it really does is give other people permission to approach us with just as much finality.


Nope.

No assassinations.
No coups.
No conventional revolutions.


And it runs so deep, that even the "I don't care if they kill me" people can't even violate this rule, because that would represent a self-destructive tendency anyway (which is what the problem is in the first place).


No.
It is time to throw in the towel on all these approaches.

Anything you ever read in a history book - toss it. It is not going to accomplish what needs to be accomplished.

The token removal of a government and replacing it with another one simply will not cut it.

We need that new shit.

The stuff that ain't come out yet.


Although I really have little idea what I am talking about at this point (since, as I said, this is all new territory), I suggest the following:

1. a immediate shift of focus from activism to a revolution of patience
2. a quiet defiance to all rules and laws wherever possible
3. spending time creating your own entertainment
4. looking for some catastrophic event to fix things on this planet
5. thinking about how to cope with some apocalyptic situation
6. spend time wishing for 'outside intervention'
7. think about how nice things will be afterward
8. encourage people to stop wasting their efforts in a useless direction
9. creative and tasteful vandalism


But please, please, above all else, please don't bother with the promotion or endorsment of the following:
- rallies
- public protests
- assassinations
- anything that involves yelling
- waiting for societal justice or fairness (lol lol lol lol lol)


Be creative for fuck sakes.

Like I said - the way out is NOTHING WE HAVE EVER SEEN BEFORE.

Because if it was, THERE WOULD BE A LONG LINE OF PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY OUT OF THIS SHIT.


Typing in all caps is also not a way out.

I just tried it and I am still here.

But no, seriously.

Maybe we should stop trying to focus on 'working together', and instead work on not negatively tripping each other up.

Some backwards logic like that.

Meat eaters and vegetarians unite.

V4D3R
12-03-2006, 09:20 PM
Patience is a virtue some of us can barely afford.

Some of us are dying, have been "put on layaway", or feel a intuitive sense of urgency with certain issues.

Like in a Sunny Winters produced jam I heard -"Time is of the essence..."

LHX
12-03-2006, 09:25 PM
Patience is a virtue some of us can barely afford.

Some of us are dying, have been "put on layaway", or feel a intuitive sense of urgency with certain issues.

Like in a Sunny Winters produced jam I heard -"Time is of the essence..."
everything i say is said with the utmost sense of urgency

it takes a bit of urgency to explore the notion of mass amounts of people getting killed and deciding that it is the wrong way to go

LHX
12-03-2006, 09:26 PM
and oh yeah - eternity might not last forever


lol

maestro wooz
12-04-2006, 03:03 AM
youve lost it lhx, check yourself in somewhere

Sicka than aidZ
12-04-2006, 03:07 AM
Leavin Mahfucka? Cya

supremecharma
12-04-2006, 03:10 AM
y'all trip

LHX
12-04-2006, 08:09 AM
youve lost it lhx, check yourself in somewhere

man

judging by the feedback i get from other places where i post material

it makes the people here seem like a bunch of wide-eyed kids that always tuck in their shirts and talk about the latest episode of G.I. Joe at recess

7EL7
12-04-2006, 08:21 AM
its the "i don't like you anymore, you should cease to exist syndrome"

too many people have it

but its disappearing

Prince Rai
12-04-2006, 09:12 AM
essentially, what i think is of character of LHX words, is that we have waited so long for "something". Not everyone is looking for "something", either because they falsely believe "something" has arrived or they don't know what it ought to be.

We approach life in ways that need changing perhaps? Perhaps we know how we could approach things, but it is our nature not to.

Os3y3ris
12-04-2006, 09:19 AM
I look at this concept in reverse. I've recently come to the realization that my default behavior, for whatever reason is to deal out extreme amounts of violence. Therefor, for me, the issue, when under threat or annoyance or whatever, is dealing in mercy. That means that when I run into a conflict, the only thing I'm thinking is that I SHOULDN'T hurt the guy.

Prince Rai
12-04-2006, 09:23 AM
I look at this concept in reverse. I've recently come to the realization that my default behavior, for whatever reason is to deal out extreme amounts of violence. Therefor, for me, the issue, when under threat or annoyance or whatever, is dealing in mercy. That means that when I run into a conflict, the only thing I'm thinking is that I SHOULDN'T hurt the guy.
isnt that a natural humn thing? reacting with violence? mercy is a harder luxury to grow. it is more difficult to apply and expand. mastering it is a virtue.

who knows?

peace

Os3y3ris
12-04-2006, 09:45 AM
No. Most people suck at violence.

Prince Rai
12-04-2006, 10:03 AM
No. Most people suck at violence.
you actually uphold what i said.

people "suck" at violence, because it is essentially not the way forward. the way forward is by other means, perhaps "mercy" as you suggested. However, it is harder to apply mercy, that is why perhaps violence is used as you said as a default. Maybe its not just your default, it may be universal.

That's what needs to be countered.

snapple
12-04-2006, 01:35 PM
knowledge > death

Os3y3ris
12-04-2006, 01:37 PM
Actually, most people DON'T have any meaningful violence as a default behavior. They just can't do it. They can pretend, and posture and commit small, mostly usless acts, but thats about it. Its an affected behavior. With some social pressure and a large group, they MIGHT get around to something useful, but barring mob mentality, most people don't understand violence.

V4D3R
12-04-2006, 01:42 PM
I have a few people I have made weapons for the I broke today. This is about us reaching higher levels of consciousness and realizing that we are beyond this way of thinking that we get flooded with on a daily basis in the news, music, movies with violent resolve.

The thing that I discovered is this, everybody has a root for their pain. This root for your pain needs to be found and dealt with. Fear/pain leads to anger, just like Yoda says in that Star Wars shit.

We are beyond this people, I'm not going to bring anymore meet you at 3 o.clock after school bullshit. Forgiveness is key, forgiveness of others, but most importantly, forgiveness of self. If you don't honestly love yourself then you'll never truely be able to love others.

maestro wooz
12-04-2006, 03:10 PM
man

judging by the feedback i get from other places where i post material

it makes the people here seem like a bunch of wide-eyed kids that always tuck in their shirts and talk about the latest episode of G.I. Joe at recess


nah seriously koresh, i feel what you're saying but i think sometimes more needs to be done. No protests? I don't mean a boston tea party, but it'll take a long long time to get things done if we're just waiting for people to learn through creative vandalism and encouragement. Maybe, protests just have to be done as never before, start picketing outside schools and bus stops, where the real people are.


i guess you did say it would take awhile and we need to be patient, but there's alot of widows out there patienty waiting for their husbands to come home.

Prince Rai
12-04-2006, 03:44 PM
Actually, most people DON'T have any meaningful violence as a default behavior. They just can't do it. They can pretend, and posture and commit small, mostly usless acts, but thats about it. Its an affected behavior. With some social pressure and a large group, they MIGHT get around to something useful, but barring mob mentality, most people don't understand violence.

misunderstanding violence does not mean some acts therefore do not constitute violence. but you are also right in maintaining that not all have violence as such, as a default behaviour.

But the main point to this statement would be to interpret violence and what it actually means. A violent act of mine would only seem violent to me, by judging the inconsistencies within my own behavioural conduct.

Prince Rai
12-04-2006, 03:46 PM
just like an act of violence of yours may not seem violent to me at all, merely justifiable reactions.

the silencer
12-04-2006, 04:09 PM
LHX ur first post reminds of the Revolutionary Catechism..

http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp000116.txt

that shit is crazy..written by a fuckin 21 year old kid..

INF
12-04-2006, 04:11 PM
i guess you did say it would take awhile and we need to be patient, but there's alot of widows out there patienty waiting for their husbands to come home.

Are you talking aboat ressurection Wooz?

LHX
12-04-2006, 04:15 PM
LHX ur first post reminds of the Revolutionary Catechism..

http://www.spunk.org/texts/places/russia/sp000116.txt

that shit is crazy..written by a fuckin 21 year old kid..
good eye yo

im gonna probe into that a little bit more

LHX
12-04-2006, 05:19 PM
those russians sure know their revolutions

geez


reminds me a bit of Hagakure at first glance

the tone of determination



why cant i just get hit by a bus?

Visionz
12-04-2006, 06:01 PM
why cant i just get hit by a bus?

The only thing stoppin you from getting hit by a bus is yourself. Go jump in front of one when its mere feet away. I bet you it won't stop in time.

But that would be a tragedy if it were to happen. The world needs more people who are confronting their reality. All revolutions must start internally first.

LHX
12-04-2006, 06:46 PM
The only thing stoppin you from getting hit by a bus is yourself. Go jump in front of one when its mere feet away. I bet you it won't stop in time.

But that would be a tragedy if it were to happen. The world needs more people who are confronting their reality. All revolutions must start internally first.
that and the fact that there is no reason to believe that the universe would be any more forgiving anywhere else

the grass is not greener ANYWHERE

Visionz
12-04-2006, 07:23 PM
that and the fact that there is no reason to believe that the universe would be any more forgiving anywhere else

the grass is not greener ANYWHEREThe reason to believe that would be that somewhere shit's gotta be better than here lol. I've often wondered if Heaven is getting the chance to be born on a less fucked up planet.

LHX
12-04-2006, 08:52 PM
or this planet, but at a different time

Visionz
12-04-2006, 08:57 PM
maybe a thousand years into the future. I could see Earth being a lot better off by then.

LHX
12-04-2006, 08:58 PM
wake me up when its time

i wont be mad

promise

Visionz
12-04-2006, 09:13 PM
haha^I heard they're having a half-off sale at Cryogenamatrix's

maestro wooz
12-04-2006, 09:40 PM
Are you talking aboat ressurection Wooz?


nah, just waiting for something that can't happen. The change of society isn't gonna just happen, someone's gotta start it.

LORD NOSE
01-28-2011, 06:38 PM
up

contrastiktion
02-09-2011, 02:05 AM
Luminated
Hero
Xtrordinare

Visionz
02-09-2011, 02:13 AM
is that YOU X?

Uncle Steezo
02-09-2011, 02:45 AM
i don't have much to add to or subtract from the 1st post.
pretty solid.

contrastiktion
02-09-2011, 04:42 PM
is that YOU X?

Nah... that's the homie though

THUGNIFICENT
03-10-2011, 10:37 AM
My main problem with the Revolution of Patience is pretty similar to what Wooz was saying earlier about the revolution needing to start in the tangible world with a person and their actions, not singular beliefs. This person would have to work incredibly hard to be able to alter the mindsets of so many different people, but let's say he/she managed to convert 80 percent of the population. That's a fuckin lot. Would the world really be a better off place, though? That other 20 percent would have an insane amount of power, and you already know at least one of them would try to do their tyrant thing and attempt massive takeover. Bombings, shootings, etc. would occur, and the only way to respond to this would be a) accept it or b) respond in kind. A would lead to death/enslavement/whatever the tyrant had in mind; B would lead to de-revolutionizing the revolution. I guess this pretty much reinstates OP's thought that it's time to throw in the towel, although I'm not sure I agree with his method. We do need to find a new way, but it's honestly beyond my reasoning to figure out what that 'something' might be.

Soul Controller
03-10-2011, 01:28 PM
the only way to a revolution will come about is. lawful rebellion, its written in law.
thats our only way out. every other revolution will be controlled by people with money/power, lawful rebellion. looks to end the power, with law. check my freeman on the land thread. peace.