View Full Version : 2012 yeah so what lets discuss it anyways

Tha Ill Shogun Lord
12-06-2006, 01:44 AM

12-06-2006, 01:45 AM
if thats his will shit i'm ready now, id like to stay and go past 2012 but eather way shit what can i do other then prepare?

12-06-2006, 04:33 PM
maybe there will be a big 'End of the World' sale at the mall

finally cop that PSP

12-06-2006, 06:35 PM
but whats gonna happen for sure is the sun gonna cross the center of the universe i think thats by the milky way

lol! are you eating battery acid?

a) the sun doesn't move

b) the universe expanding to this day (even tho recently scientists it might have stopped based on supernova explosions expanding speed)

c) the milky way is not the center of the universe, it's just one of many many galaxies

12-06-2006, 06:43 PM
Mayan Cosmogenesis.. read on it Peace

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-06-2006, 07:00 PM
i already been high up on this for like a year now, the Mayans know theyre shit. They calculated astrnomical events precisely that shouldve of been impossible to them even unknown.

Like they knew that the Earth jolts slightly every shitload of years, something that modern science only recently figured out.

:point: http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/5thsun.htm

:point: http://www.gap-system.org/~history/HistTopics/Mayan_mathematics.html (http://www.gap-system.org/%7Ehistory/HistTopics/Mayan_mathematics.html)

:point: http://exodus2006.com/2012.htm

THE HOW AND WHY OF THE MAYAN END DATE IN 2012 A.D. by John Major Jenkins
¾ May 23rd, 1994

Originally published in the Dec-Jan '95 issue of Mountain Astrologer.

Why did the ancient Mayan or pre-Maya choose December 21st, 2012 A.D., as the end of their Long Count calendar? This article will cover some recent research. Scholars have known for decades that the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan "Long Count" system of timekeeping was set to end precisely on a winter solstice, and that this system was put in place some 2300 years ago. This amazing fact - that ancient Mesoameri- can skywatchers were able to pinpoint a winter solstice far off into the future - has not been dealt with by Mayanists. And why did they choose the year 2012? One immediately gets the impression that there is a very strange mystery to be confronted here. I will be building upon a clue to this mystery reported by epigrapher Linda Schele in Maya Cosmos (1994). This article is the natural culmination of the research relating to the Mayan Long Count and the precession of the equinoxes that I explored in my recent book Tzolkin: Visionary Perspectives and Calendar Studies (Borderlands Science and Research Foundation, 1994).

The Mayan Long Count

Just some basics to get us started. The Maya were adept skywatchers. Their Classic Period is thought to have lasted from 200 A.D. to 900 A.D., but recent archeological findings are pushing back the dawn of Mayan civilization in Mesoamerica. Large ruin sites indicating high culture with distinctly Mayan antecedents are being found in the jungles of Guatemala dating back to before the common era. And even before this, the Olmec civilization flourished and developed the sacred count of 260 days known as the tzolkin. The early Maya adopted two different time keeping systems, the "Short Count" and the Long Count. The Short Count derives from combining the tzolkin cycle with the solar year and the Venus cycle of 584 days. In this way, "short" periods of 13, 52 and 104 years are generated. Unfortunately, we won't have occasion to dwell on the properties of the so-called Short Count system here. The Long Count system is somewhat more abstract, yet is also related to certain astronomical cycles. It is based upon nested cycles of days multiplied at each level by that key Mayan number, twenty:

Number of Days / Term 1 / Kin (day)
20 / Uinal
360 / Tun
7200 / Katun
144000 / Baktun

Notice that the only exception to multiplying by twenty is at the tun level, where the uinal period is instead multiplied by 18 to make the 360-day tun. The Maya employed this counting system to track an unbroken sequence of days from the time it was inaugurated. The Mayan scholar Munro Edmonson believes that the Long Count was put in place around 355 B.C. This may be so, but the oldest Long Count date as yet found corresponds to 32 B.C. We find Long Count dates in the archeological record beginning with the baktun place value and separated by dots. For example: equals 6 baktuns, 19 katuns, 19 tuns, 0 uinals and 0 days. Each baktun has 144000 days, each katun has 7200 days, and so on. If we add up all the values we find that indicates a total of 1007640 days have elapsed since the Zero Date of The much discussed 13-baktun cycle is completed 1872000 days (13 baktuns) after This period of time is the so called Mayan "Great Cycle" of the Long Count and equals 5125.36 years.

But how are we to relate this to a time frame we can understand? How does this Long Count relate to our Gregorian calendar? This problem of correlating Mayan time with "western" time has occupied Mayan scholars since the beginning. The standard question to answer became: what does (the Long Count "beginning" point) equal in the Gregorian calendar? When this question is answered, archeological inscriptions can be put into their proper historical context and the end date of the 13-baktun cycle can be calculated. After years of considering data from varied fields such as astronomy, ethnography, archeology and iconography, J. Eric S. Thompson determined that correponded to the Julian date 584283, which equals August 11th, 3114 B.C. in our Gregorian calendar. This means that the end date of, some 5125 years later, is December 21st, 2012 A.D.1

The relationship between the Long Count and Short Count has always been internally consistent (both were tracked alongside each other in an unbroken sequence since their conception). Now it is very interesting to note that an aspect of the "Short Count", namely, the sacred tzolkin count of 260 days, is still being followed in the highlands of Guatemala. As the Mayan scholar Munro Edmonson shows in The Book of the Year, this last surviving flicker of a calendar tradition some 3000 years old supports the Thompson correlation of 584283. Edmonson also states that the Long Count was begun by the Maya or pre-Maya around 355 B.C., but there is reason to believe that the Long Count system was being perfected for at least 200 years prior to that date.

The point of interest for these early astronomers seems to have been the projected end date in 2012 A.D., rather than the beginning date in 3114 B.C. Having determined the end date in 2012 (for reasons we will come to shortly), and calling it, they thus proclaimed themselves to be living in the 6th baktun of the Great Cycle. The later Maya certainly attributed much mythological significance to the beginning date, relating it to the birth of their deities, but it now seems certain that the placement of the Long Count hinges upon its calculated end point. Why did early Mesoamerican skywatchers pick a date some 2300 years into the future and, in fact, how did they pinpoint an accurate winter solstice? With all these considerations one begins to suspect that, for some reason, the ancient New World astronomers were tracking precession.

The Precession

The precession of the equinoxes, also known as the Platonic Year, is caused by the slow wobbling of the earth's polar axis. Right now this axis roughly points to Polaris, the "Pole Star," but this changes slowly over long periods of time. The earth's wobble causes the position of the seasonal quarters to slowly precess against the background of stars. For example, right now, the winter solstice position is in the constellation of Sagittarius. But 2000 years ago it was in Capricorn. Since then, it has precessed backward almost one full sign. It is generally thought that the Greek astronomer Hipparchus was the first to discover precession around 128 B.C. Yet scholarship indicates that more ancient Old World cultures such as the Egyptians (see Schwaller de Lubicz's book Sacred Science) and Babylonians also knew about the precession.

I have concluded that even cultures with simple horizon astronomy and oral records passed down for a hundred years or so, would notice the slow shifting of the heavens. For example, imagine that you lived in an environment suited for accurately demarcated horizon astronomy. Even if this wasn't the case, you might erect monoliths to sight the horizon position of, most likely, the dawning winter solstice sun. This position in relation to background stars could be accurately preserved in oral verse or wisdom teachings, to be passed down for centuries. Since precession will change this position at the rate of 1 degree every 72 years, within the relatively short time of 100 years or so, a noticeable change will have occurred. The point of this is simple. To early cultures attuned to the subtle movements of the sky, precession would not have been hard to notice.2

The Maya are not generally credited with knowing about the precession of the equinoxes. But considering everything else we know about the amazing sophistication of Mesoamerican astronomy, can we realistically continue to deny them this? Many of the as yet undeciphered hieroglyphs may ultimately describe precessional myths. Furthermore, as I show in my book Tzolkin: Visionary Perspectives and Calendar Studies, the Long Count is perfectly suited for predicting future seasonal quarters, indefinitely, and precession is automatically accounted for. Some of the most incredible aspects of Mayan cosmo-conception are just now being discovered. As was the case with the state of Egyptology in the 1870's, we still have a lot to learn. In addition, Mayanists like Gordon Brotherston (The Book of the Fourth World) consider precessional knowledge among Mesoamerican cultures to be more than likely.

The Sacred Tree

We are still trying to answer these questions: What is so important about the winter solstice of 2012 and, exactly how were calculations made so accurately, considering that precession should make them exceedingly difficult?

If we make a standard horoscope chart for December 21st, 2012 A.D., nothing very unusual appears. In this way I was led astray in my search until Linda Schele provided a clue in the recent book Maya Cosmos. Probably the most exciting breakthrough in this book is her identification of the astronomical meaning of the Mayan Sacred Tree. Drawing from an impressive amount of iconographic evidence, and generously sharing the process by which she arrived at her discovery, the Sacred Tree is found to be none other than the crossing point of the ecliptic with the band of the Milky Way. Indeed, the Milky Way seems to have played an important role in Mayan imagery. For example, an incised bone from 8th century Tikal depicts a long sinking canoe containing various deities. This is a picture of the night sky and the canoe is the Milky Way, sinking below the horizon as the night progresses, and carrying with it deities representing the nearby constellations. The incredible Mayan site of Palenque is filled with Sacred Tree motifs and references to astronomical events. In their book Forest of Kings, Schele and Freidel suggested that the Sacred Tree referred to the ecliptic. Apparently that was only part of the picture, for the Sacred Tree that Pacal ascends in death is more than just the ecliptic, it is the sacred doorway to the underworld. The crossing point of Milky Way and ecliptic is this doorway and represents the sacred source and origin. In the following diagram of the well known sarcophagus carving, notice that the Milky Way tree serves as an extension of Pacal's umbilicus. The umbilicus is a human being's entrance into life, and entrance into death as well:


Diagram 1: Pacal and the Sacred Tree.

We may also remember at this point that the tzolkin calendar is said to spring from the Sacred Tree. The Sacred Tree is, in fact, at the center of the entire corpus of Mayan Creation Myths. We should definitely explore the nature of this astronomical feature.
The first question that came up for me was as follows. Since Lord (Ahau) Pacal is, by way of divine kingship, equated with the sun, and he is portrayed "entering" the Sacred Tree on his famous sarcophagus lid, on what day does the sun come around to conjunct the crossing point of ecliptic and Milky Way? This would be an important date. In the pre-dawn skies of this date, the Milky Way would be seen to arch overhead from the region of Polaris (Heart of Sky) and would point right at where the sun rises. This (and the corollary date 6 months later) is the only date when the Sun/Lord could jump from the ecliptic track and travel the Milky Way up and around the vault of heaven to the region of Polaris, there to enter the "Heart of Sky." It should be mentioned that 1300 years ago, during the zenith of Palenque's glory, Polaris was much less an exact "Pole Star" than it is now. Schele demonstrates that it wasn't a Pole Star that the Maya mythologized in this regard, it was the unmarked polar "dark region" symbolizing death and the underworld around which everything was observed to revolve. Life revolves around death - a characteristically Mayan belief. The dates on which the sun conjuncts the "Sacred Tree" are thus very important. These dates will change with precession. Schele doesn't pursue this line of reasoning, however, and doesn't even mention that these dates might be significant. If we go back to 755 A.D., we find that the sun conjuncts the Sacred Tree on December 3rd. I should point out here that the Milky Way is a wide band, and perhaps a 10-day range of dates should be considered.

To start with, however, I use the exact center of the Milky Way band that one finds on star charts, known as the "Galactic Equator" (not to be confused with Galactic Center). Where the Galactic Equator crosses the ecliptic in Sagittarius just happens to be where the dark rift in the Milky Way begins. This is a dark bifurcation in the Milky Way caused by interstellar dust clouds. To observers on earth, it appears as a dark road which begins near the ecliptic and stretches along the Milky Way up towards Polaris. The Maya today are quite aware of this feature; the Quich» Maya call it xibalba be (the "road to Xibalba") and the Chorti Maya call it the "camino de Santiago". In Dennis Tedlock's translation of the Popol Vuh, we find that the ancient Maya called it the "Black Road". The Hero Twins Hunahpu and Xbalanque must journey down this road to battle the Lords of Xibalba. (Tedlock 334, 358). Furthermore, what Schele has identified as the Sacred Tree was known to the ancient Quich» simply as "Crossroads."

This celestial feature was not marginal in ancient Mayan thought and is still rec- ognized even today. In terms of how this feature was mythologized, it seems that when a planet, the sun, or the moon entered the dark cleft of the Milky Way in Sagittarius (which happens to be the exact center of the Milky Way, the Galactic Equator), entrance to the underworld road was possible, which could then take the journeyer up to the Heart of Sky. Shamanic vision rites were probably involved in this scenario. In the Yucatan, underground caves were ritual places used by shaman to journey to the underworld. Schele explains that "Mayan mythology identifies the Road to Xibalba as going through a cave" (Forest of Kings, 209). Here we have a metaphorical reference to the "dark rift" in the Milky Way by way of its terrestrial counterpart, a syncretism between earth and sky which is characteristic of Mayan thinking. Above all, what is becoming apparent from the corpus of Mayan Creation Myths is that creation seems to have taken place at a celestial crossroads - the crossing point of ecliptic and Milky Way.

To clarify this ever growing picture, we should stop here and plot out some charts. In addition to the detailed star maps from Norton's 2000.0 Star Atlas which allowed me to pinpoint the crossing point of Galactic Equator and ecliptic, I use EZCosmos to plot these positions3. What I found answers the question of why the Maya chose the winter solstice of 2012, a problem seemingly avoided by astronomers and Mayanists alike. While it is true that the sun conjuncts the Sacred Tree on December 3rd in the year 755 A.D., over the centuries precession has caused the conjunction date to approach the winter solstice. So, how close are we to perfect conjunction today? Exactly when might we expect the winter solstice sun to conjunct the crossing point of Galactic Equator and ecliptic - the Mayan Sacred Tree? Any astronomer will tell you that, presently, the Milky Way crosses the ecliptic through the constellation of Sagittarius and this area is rich in nebulae and high density objects. In fact, where the Milky Way crosses the ecliptic in Sagittarius also happens to be the direction of the Galactic Center.4

The Charts

So the quest returns to identifying why December 21st, 2012 A.D. might represent some kind of astronomical anomoly. I'll get right to the heart of the matter. Let's look at a few charts.


Chart 1.

Here is a full view of the sky at noon on December 21st, 2012 A.D. The band of the Milky Way can be seen stretching from the lower right to the upper left. The more or less vertical dotted line indicates the Galactic Equator. The planets can be seen tracing a roughly horizontal path through the chart, indicating the ecliptic. The sun, quite strikingly, is dead center in the Sacred Tree. Let's look closer.


Chart 2.

The field is now reduced from a horizon-to-horizon view to a field of 30 degrees. Part of the constellation of Sagittarius can be seen in the lower left portion of the chart. The planet in the middle-to-upper left portion of the chart is Pluto, which rarely travels directly along the ecliptic. The center square near the sun is placed on the Trifid Nebula (M20). According to the star chart I used, this nebula is very close to the crossing point of Galactic Equator and ecliptic. However, a small star (4 Sgr) is even closer; it sits right on the Galactic Equator and its declination is only 00 .08' below the ecliptic. Let's look closer at these features.

Chart 3.

The field is now reduced to a 5-degree span, what astrology considers to be within conjunction. The dot to the lower right of the sun is the star 4 Sgr. Amazingly, the Sun is right on target. We couldn't have hoped for a closer conjunction. 1 day before or after will remove the sun a noticeable distance from the crossing point. December 21st, 2012 ( in the Long Count) therefore represents an extremely close conjunction of the winter solstice sun with the crossing point of Galactic Equator and the ecliptic, what the ancient Maya recognized as the Sacred Tree. It is critical to understand that the winter solstice sun rarely conjuncts the Sacred Tree. In fact, this is an event that has been coming to resonance very slowly over thousands and thousands of years. What this might mean astrologically, how this might effect the "energy weather" on earth, must be treated as a separate topic.

But I should at least mention in passing that this celestial convergence appears to parallel the accelerating pace of human civilization. It should be noted that because precession is a very slow process, similar astronomical alignments will be evident on the winter solstice dates within perhaps 5 years on either side of 2012. However, the accuracy of the conjunction of 2012 is quite astounding, beyond anything deemed calculable by the ancient Maya, and serves well to represent the perfect mid-point of the process.

Let's go back to the dawn of the Long Count and try to reconstruct what may have been happening.

Why: Winter Solstice Sun Conjuncts The Sacred Tree in 2012 A.D.

First, the tzolkin count originated among the Olmec at least as early as 679 B.C. (see Edmonson's Book of the Year). We may suspect that astronomical observations were being made from at least that point. The tzolkin count has been followed unbroken since at least that time, up to the present day, demonstrating the high premium placed by the Maya upon continuity of tradition. In this way, star records, horizon positions of the winter solstice sun, and other pertinent observations could also have been accurately preserved. As suggested above, precession can be noticed by way of even simple horizon astronomy in as little time as 100 to 150 years. (Hipparchus, the alleged "discoverer" of precession among the Greeks, compared his own observations with data collected only 170 years before his time.) Following Edmonson, the Long Count system may have appeared as early as 355 B.C. Part of the reason for implementing the Long Count system, as I will show, was probably to calculate future winter solstice dates.

We must assume that even at this early point in Mesoamerican history, the crossing point of ecliptic and Milky Way was understood as the "Sacred Tree". Since the Sacred Tree concept is intrinsically tied into the oldest Mayan Creation Myths, this is not improbable. At the very least, the "dark rift" was already a recognized feature. Early skywatchers of this era (355 B.C.) would then observe the sun to conjunct the dark ridge in the Milky Way on or around November 18th.5 This would be easily observed in the pre-dawn sky as described above: the Milky Way points to the rising sun on this date.

Over a relatively short period of time, as an awareness of precession was emerging, this date was seen to slowly approach winter solstice, a critical date in its own right in early Mayan cosmo-conception. At this point, precession and the rate of precession was calculated, the Long Count was perfected and inaugurated, and the appropriate winter solstice date in 2012 A.D. was found via the Long Count in the following way.

How: Long Count and Seasonal Quarters

Long Count katun beginnings will conjunct sequential seasonal quarters every days (194400 days). This is an easily tracked Long Count interval. Starting with the katun beginning of 650 B.C.:

Long Count Which Quarter? Year Fall 650 B.C. Winter 118 B.C. Spring 416 A.D. Summer 948 A.D. Fall 1480 A.D. Winter 2012 A.D.

Note that the last date is not only a katun beginning, but a baktun beginning as well. It is, indeed, the end date of 2012.6
The Long Count may have been officially inaugurated on a specific date in 355 B.C., as Edmonson suggests, but it must have been formulated, tried, tested, and proven before this date. This may well have taken centuries, and the process no doubt paralleled (and was perhaps instigated by) the discovery of precession. The Long Count system automatically accounts for precession in its ability to calculate future seasonal quarters - a property which shouldn't be underestimated.


This has been my attempt to fill a vacuum in Mayan Studies, an answer to the why and how of the end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count. The solution requires a shift in how we think about the astronomy of the Long Count end date. The strange fact that it occurs on a winter solstice immediately points us to possible astronomical reasons, but they are not obvious. We also shouldn't forget the often mentioned fact that the 13-baktun cycle of some 5125 years is roughly 1/5th of a precessional cycle. This in itself should have been suggestive of a deeper mystery very early on. Only with the recent identification of the astronomical nature of the Sacred Tree has the puzzle revealed its fullness. And once again we are amazed at the sophistication and vision of the ancient New World astronomers, the decendants of whom still count the days and watch the skies in the remote outbacks of Guatemala.

This essay is not contrived upon sketchy evidence. It basically rests upon two facts:

1) the well known end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count, which is December 21st, 2012 A.D. and

2) the astronomical situation on that day. Based upon these two facts alone, the creators of the Long Count knew about and calculated the rate of precession over 2300 years ago. I can conceive of no other conclusion. To explain this away as "coincidence" would only obscure the issue.

For early Mesoamerican skywatchers, the slow approach of the winter solstice sun to the Sacred Tree was seen as a critical process, the culmination of which was surely worthy of being called, the end of a World Age. The channel would then be open through the winter solstice doorway, up the Sacred Tree, the Xibalba be , to the center of the churning heavens, the Heart of Sky.


12-06-2006, 07:04 PM
the western calendar techniques are technically inferior to the chineses AND the mayans

just like we 'discover' things that were already there (america, electricity, that the earth is round, etc.), we still 'discovering' things that other people have known for a really long time

like wait till yall figure out who i actually am

12-06-2006, 07:07 PM
like wait till yall figure out who i actually am

Yeh ok! LOL |(

12-06-2006, 07:09 PM
Yeh ok! LOL |(


i will pretend i didnt see that

12-06-2006, 07:13 PM

i will pretend i didnt see that

:{ um aight LOL!

12-07-2006, 01:13 AM
Honestly,i think it will just be another year...if the worlds gonna end i dont think it will be predicted..itll just happen..weather through a meteor or whatever.

12-07-2006, 01:28 AM
2012 fascinates me but also sets me back, I'm always like why the fuck am I making these power moves for the future if I'ma be galactic dust in 5 years.

12-07-2006, 01:40 AM
^The End of the World itself has to be up for interpretation. Could just be the End of the World as we know it. You'd still be breathin just everything around you changes, hopefully for the better.

maestro wooz
12-07-2006, 02:29 AM
jesus will return to earth in a space ship as a native american with a really big head.

12-07-2006, 03:32 AM
Terence Kemp McKenna (November 16, 1946 – April 3, 2000) was a writer/philosopher. He was notable for his many speculations on subjects ranging from the Voynich Manuscript to the origins of the human species to Novelty theory, which claims time to be a fractal wave of increasing novelty, which culminates dramatically in 2012. His concept appeared to involve a combination of hallucinogenic chemical agents, Gaianism, and shamanism.

Precepts of novelty theory

Novelty theory has a few basic tenets:

That the universe is a living system with a teleological attractor at the end of time that drives the increase and conservation of complexity in material forms.
That novelty and complexity increase over time, despite repeated set-backs.
That the human brain represents the pinnacle of complex organization in the known universe to date.
That fluctuations in novelty over time are self-similar at different scales. Thus the rise and fall of the Roman Empire might be resonant with the life of a family within a single generation, or with an individual's day at work.
That as the complexity and sophistication of human thought and culture increase, universal novelty approaches a Koch curve of infinite exponential growth.
That in the time immediately prior to, and during this omega point of infinite novelty, anything and everything conceivable to the human imagination will occur simultaneously.
That the date of this historical endpoint is December 21, 2012, the end of the long count of the Mayan calendar. (Although many interpretations of the "end" of the Mayan calendar exist, partly due to abbreviations made by the Maya when referring to the date, McKenna used the solstice date in 2012, a common interpretation of the calendar among New Age philosophers, although this date corresponds to such an abbreviation rather than the full date. See Mayan calendar for more information on this controversy.)

12-07-2006, 03:42 AM
Nice post Punch,

That fluctuations in novelty over time are self-similar at different scales. Thus the rise and fall of the Roman Empire might be resonant with the life of a family within a single generation, or with an individual's day at work. This is so true right here. I really do believe, at one level or another, its that common struggle against ourselves and the outside world that ties us all together

12-07-2006, 12:23 PM
I can asure you, nuthin' will happen then....

12-07-2006, 01:21 PM
I can asure you, nuthin' will happen then....

you can never really be sure...

good thread

12-07-2006, 01:29 PM
Knowing what will happen in 2012 won't make it not happening... So till it happens just drink smoke and fuck

12-07-2006, 01:39 PM
the world better end after the Olympics cos I aint paying taxes for some shit that's gonna explode/implode whatever

[although it probably won't be built in time]

Dirty Knowledge
12-07-2006, 02:05 PM
I don't think you can 'prepare' for death. If this is true, then I fucked up and read it so I have to know about until then. I'll just be getting high as usual. And not giving a damn about anything.

12-07-2006, 02:07 PM
according to Hinduism, this is the era of Kaliyoga (evil takes ova ) and the world would not end but change will occur...2012 will probably bring changes in global tectonic plates movements n natural disasters that might change the map of whr we live in..

Tha Ill Shogun Lord
12-07-2006, 04:13 PM
lol! are you eating battery acid?

a) the sun doesn't move

b) the universe expanding to this day (even tho recently scientists it might have stopped based on supernova explosions expanding speed)

c) the milky way is not the center of the universe, it's just one of many many galaxies

you got me yeah i meant galaxy (ahh i Feel Stupid) but yeah the sun will align with the center the milky way galaxy

Tha Ill Shogun Lord
12-07-2006, 04:38 PM
here a cool video with michael tsarion he talks about this stuff

12-07-2006, 06:43 PM
Nice thread though

hidden ninja
12-07-2006, 06:57 PM
I've heard plenty of theories - comets, pole shifts, tree of life - but i'm reluctant to buy into it, just because no one can say for sure what will happen.
I can see around me a shift in conciousness though, and it might be that just because I'm feeling that way I'm attracting types of people who do as well, but I don't know. I see the government centralizing it's power at an alarming rate, destroying our democracy, in favor of a socialist/facist uber-dominate federal government. on some new world order shit.
and everyday it seems - to me atleast - that more cats are seeing this for what it is. now that you have the internet and shit, there's alternative means of gathering information. we aren't neccesarily stuck being sold ideas through organized mass media. people are waking up.
i mean, the term "apocolypse" means unveiling, so maybe the curtain that higher-ups hide behind gonna fall, exposing those who sit behind it trying to control us.

but I don't know, I guess we can only wait and see.

12-08-2006, 11:58 AM
2012's theory are mad ridiculous... Yeah planets will align... so what? Is that suppose to be a big deal?

Hey guess what folks... I heard on december 20 2012, stonehedge is going to form a portal to another plane of existence and that God himself will appear out of it...

Yeah it's true... I've read it on some random web page on the internet... Dude asked for 400$ in order to share this knowledge yo

I've also got word that Tom Clancy will reveal it's true nature. which is of course the antichrist.

It's true. I swear. Ya'll can quote me on this.

12-08-2006, 12:11 PM
right... ^^^

12-08-2006, 12:40 PM
2012 fascinates me but also sets me back, I'm always like why the fuck am I making these power moves for the future if I'ma be galactic dust in 5 years.

i think the purpose of a lot of these "end of the world" theories is to make people wake up and realize we aren't promised tomorrow, start getting out and doing things and make shit happen, a way to motivate the lazy, feel me?

12-08-2006, 01:15 PM
i think the purpose of a lot of these "end of the world" theories is to make people wake up and realize we aren't promised tomorrow, start getting out and doing things and make shit happen, a way to motivate the lazy, feel me?

theres a lot of truth in that right there

thats the best way to approach information like that

figure out how to make it personal and how it actually pertains to your life

12-08-2006, 03:43 PM
So you dont believe that the world will eventually be reborn?

12-08-2006, 03:53 PM
it doesn't matter what i beleive, there is no way of me for ever to know for sure. if the world ends tomorrow, it ends tomorrow, it is what it is. thats why everyday is never wasted with me. if i die tomorrow i can say that im happy and have done a lot of living, and i would know my wake would have hundreds of people and girls looking sexy in black crying over me and after everyone partying the night away in my memory. but if the world goes BOOM tomorrow, i'll be chillin in the heavens so whatever happens happens

12-08-2006, 04:00 PM
i guess it all depends on what a person means by re-born

for some traditions and at some points in history, words such as birth, death, and change all meant the same thing

re-birth can seem like something significant and dramatic, but that is only because we are looking at it from the perspective of one lifetime

if we saw re-birth as something continuous and common, then it would be a lot easier to see how the earth could be 're-born'

12-08-2006, 04:35 PM
true dat LHX.. i guess we can build on this topic later.. let me do some work
and come back later.... but snapple I dont know about the
sexy females in black lmaooo
u crazy but its true.

12-10-2006, 03:13 PM
2012 fascinates me but also sets me back, I'm always like why the fuck am I making these power moves for the future if I'ma be galactic dust in 5 years.

same here man
I am thinking, we're working mad hard for the CREAM but if the world is fucked up and people are fighting for food and money is of no use in 6 years, its all pointless

might as well move to mexico, make some dope deals for 12 million, and live pimping for 6 years before everything is shot to shit

12-13-2006, 06:30 PM
this is just like the 666 bs everyone was on the internet saying their goodbyes and then what happens.... nothing! june 6,2006 was a beautiful day just like every other day. the only thing i think that will possibly destroy us and the world is a black hole, sun burst, or global warming. evrything else is BS.

12-15-2006, 02:09 AM
CountDown to 2012


01-28-2007, 10:19 PM
Dec. 21st, 2012 isn't said to be the end of the world. Only the end of people who are unwilling or unable to live past that date. As it marks our galaxy's return back to it's "dawn" period and our exist from the "night" period, it is indeed a new beginning. Materialism can't last in such a world, because the very consciousness of mankind will be changed. I think, the only people who will survive, are the people who believe in, and practice rediscovering our (mankind's) internal technology. The chakra system, esp and chi kung just to name a few foundations thereof.

Bronze Nazareth's line in "More Than Gold" comes to mind, because he says, "Hope your chain and all your property is enough to keep you on top of the water. Shallow n***az sink deep and there's sharks in the water." Anyone who studies the 2012 Prophecy knows that every time this point in history arrives, there's some kind of natural disaster. Usually in line with the elements.

One of the sites I read states, "We've already been through earth, fire, wind and water." So, the next stage most believe, will be a stage of the destruction of the common consciousness. That being one of materialism, egoism and willful stupidity. As a whole, mankind will begin to return to our true nature before the intoxications of technology took over. Exactly HOW the materialistic people will die out, no one really knows.

One thing is certain, you can't convince someone that they can cure themselves of cancer just by knowing how to manipulate their own energy, when they think that there was no medicine until Western medicine. Most people are gladly plugged into "The Matrix". Please, if you have the first movie, do the knowledge to when "Cypher" is sitting there with our beloved "Agent Smith", and he's telling Smith that he KNOWS The Matrix is lying to him, but he's fine with it as long as he doesn't have to suffer for the greater good.
Mankind, on a grand scale, is no different than Cypher. All want change, but some just talk about it, others don't want anything bad enough to fight for it. If they do, it's probably a damn PS3.

End of the world, or end of the morons, one thing is certain, no one down here can stop the clock.

I read what the Mayans were on, and those cats were scary accurate. While most of us will do our level best to forget about it, I'm gonna keep on doin' right and doin' what I feel, come what may.


01-29-2007, 02:04 AM
lol! are you eating battery acid?

a) the sun doesn't move

b) the universe expanding to this day (even tho recently scientists it might have stopped based on supernova explosions expanding speed)

c) the milky way is not the center of the universe, it's just one of many many galaxies
Funny. Sun don't move? Just like we thought the earth don't move? Nothing is final. They thought their shit was on point so do we. Were they wrong? More importantly, did they ever find out they were wrong........

chew on that youngster