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12-06-2006, 02:33 AM
I hate the fact that some wu members can't shine as well without the RZA(it seems like it, no?) on solo albums. It feels like they can't give a BETTER performance. Many albums prove it and the most recent is mastakilla's...What a BS album from an artist such as mastakilla! What a waste of his talent!

They are all very good artists each and every one of them and it gets to me when I buy a CD and I can't identify wu-tang to it or even feel it( it could be the beats, the flow or the rhymes chosen). Don't think I'm not open to new stuff or something different...not true.
We all know what wu-tang is and what they stand for. I don't think I need to give exemples.

I really wish I could hear a solo album today and go ohhh! shit ! And really, really get into it... like skipping class because of it. Bump my head non-stop and feel like I was exploring a new world. But they don't do does that much anymore...maybe one or two songs will get to you but it's rarely everything combined together.

what do y'all think?

Lil' Ruger
12-06-2006, 02:37 AM
so you're not talking about ghost face killa?

12-06-2006, 02:49 AM
they just need to be inspired. back in the day, RZA's production inspired them to be ill MCs and drop classic verses. but in 2006 i dont think RZA is necessarily the answer.

12-06-2006, 07:52 AM
The Wailers never could really shine without Marley

12-06-2006, 08:05 AM
i loved mk's new album...

12-06-2006, 12:52 PM
if what you wrote in your sig is true then SMH @ your life

12-06-2006, 12:53 PM
Well ghost's fishscale wasen't really something extraordinary but I like many songs on in...

Ink Is My Drink
12-06-2006, 12:55 PM
if what you wrote in your sig is true then SMH @ your life

hahaha i took a look cos you said that. haha maybe abit too far....

12-06-2006, 01:20 PM
Well ghost's fishscale wasen't really something extraordinary but I like many songs on in...Exactly, there were some tracks with different producers that worked really well. Underwater has my mouth watering for the collabo. I thought the two tracks with J Dilla were just as good (especially Beauty Jackson).
Some of Fishscale was classic stuff, I know as an album it wasn't extraordinary but it shows promise.

But back to the other clan members, I just think some of them are completely musically inept. Yeah, they can spit a dope verse but they need to be able to put together an album and get the right production. RZA was good at putting an album together cohesively as well as doing all the beats himself and picking the best ones for Wu members. They just need to be able to pick out hot beats and give the album a nice consistent sound. Maybe theyre used to RZA holding their hands and guiding them all the way.
But I don't think RZA is the answer nowadays. The Generals need to get with some dope newer prducers. I know Muggs isn't new but Grandmasters was very good, they need to do more like that.

Hollow Dartz
12-06-2006, 06:47 PM
To the topic starter. SMH @ Sig. About the thread... I mean they aren't getting hot producers anymore niggaz is trash now the shit on Wu-Corp sound better than their shit. But wu never listens anyway so i'll stop typing. fuck it.

12-06-2006, 07:06 PM
thread starter is right
rza needs to force them into having some production from him, just so they can stop dropping weak albums which arent cohesive

12-06-2006, 09:55 PM
Why are you talking about my sig? Who cares all of u judging look miserable to me! I wrote this 3 years ago and can't change it..don't know how.

Anyway... I made this topic cause I remember when I first listened to Ironman, Ob4cl, the pillage, liquid swords, judgement day, tical, supreme clientelle, bobby digital what an effect they had on me... I just don't feel this way with poor albums nowadays. They brought us a different way of living and thinking with creativity ( don't y'all think so?) peace!

12-06-2006, 10:09 PM
You know what I do now ...

I make compilations to make it good from start to finish! I took the best of ghost fishscale, mastakilla, INS resident patient, think differently wu meets inde, and some jedi mind tricks witch I like alot. And I my CD is banging lol.

12-07-2006, 12:23 PM
i hope rza goes back to his old style and do this wu shit the right way get all the artist under one umbrella WU-TANG RECORDS.

Ghost In The 'Lac
12-07-2006, 01:28 PM
Ghost didnt need him for a whole album on SC.

But artists like U God, MAsta, Inspectah Deck and even GZA arent relevent any more without being part of the clan. Only original artists like Ghost and Meth can keep the shit going because they are different and charismatic

it was a big mistake not continuing the RZA collaborations, RZA & GZA souldve gone on for years making albums together.

12-07-2006, 01:37 PM
they can't pick (or dont want to pick) good beats...simple as that really.

im not sure rza is the answer either.

12-07-2006, 05:31 PM
Ghost didnt need him for a whole album on SC.
um, rza masterminded that album and supposedly produced it all, the other producers just brought in the samples
either way, rza being involved made it ten times better than ghosts recent albums

Hollow Dartz
12-07-2006, 05:56 PM
^Actually Rza only did a couple beats on that album, Rza was just Excutive Producer(I hope you know what that is)

12-07-2006, 09:39 PM
Rza mixed down the tracks for SC but he produced only 4 tracks.

12-07-2006, 09:52 PM
RZA was actually a big part of the production on SC, and it did show. Production is great on that album.

12-08-2006, 08:17 AM
naw i think who started this thread to wrapped into rza

look at dom pachino he got like 8 albums out minus killarmy and hardly no r z a

12-08-2006, 08:21 AM
^Actually Rza only did a couple beats on that album, Rza was just Excutive Producer(I hope you know what that is)

Rza mixed down the tracks for SC but he produced only 4 tracks.

i know hes only credited for a few beats, but ive read before (on this site no less) that rza put the beats together, mixed the whole shit etc
basically he did more than what it says in the little book
im just relaying what ive read before, it adds up anyway...

12-21-2006, 11:38 AM
if its not RZA produced most likely it will suck, when are you ppl going to realize that.

12-26-2006, 08:44 AM
im not sure rza is the answer either.

Theres plenty of good wu element producers that could help them make some classic shit.
Bronze Nazareth for example, i'd love to hear an album with any member of the Wu fully produced by Bronze. :yes:

12-26-2006, 11:00 AM
Well life goes on and i guess the more it goes on the more it suckes, i mos def agree, as at now all the shit that's coming out is kinda weak, comparing it to the earlier shit. I agree because i take a job to progress and get more cash and not to retrogress and take less money, we all gotta admit wu and wu members without Rza is like you without your cunt.

2L8Lit da croatianMC
01-13-2007, 11:45 AM
i think rza will be producing dope shit in the future, there r so many good samples, from the old days, which can be combined very well, and also, the fact that some wu members drops weak albums, everyone drops weak shit from time to time but it doesn't mean that it will only get worse n worse..
i think all wu members will be droppin classics, al least one classic by each n all of em.

02-13-2007, 02:48 AM
it's all a matter of opinion regarding this topic...for instance: i'm big on bumping GZA's material because I consider him to be the deepest member of the Wu...do i like all of his albums? No, because the production on them simply sucks...i would have to say that Legend of the Liquid Sword is his best work to date [next to grandmasters] because it was an overall well balanced album that i can listen to from start to finish...GZA's other albums don't do that for me, and IMO, Beneath the Surface was the WORST album under his belt, and honestly, I felt like he was incognito about half the time, and the album structure is scattered and features too much of Sunn of Mann on it. What separates Legend from Grandmasters is the fact that Muggs is NOT a Wu Producer...he's an affiliate with the Wu, but both of those albums are dope IMO.

that's my opinion

Olive Oil Goombah
02-13-2007, 05:06 PM
Its like this....if anyone can get this analogy.

Take Robert Plant from Jimmy Page, David Gilmour from Pink Floyd, Tom Morrello from Rage Against the Machine(or zach de la rocha) and sometimes it works, sometimes it dont.

The way Gilmoure plays guitar is one of a kind, speaking of Pink Floyd..
The same goes for Wu Tang....To me, they work best with RZA beats, and some of the members aren't the complete package anyway, they are at their best spittin a fuckin sicc verse hear and there...
I mean, no offense to UGod, but alot of people coulda gave you one or two good verses on 36 chambers...
And the best artists have shown who they are by what they have done w/o the group and mainly w/o RZA.

02-13-2007, 07:35 PM
you're gonna get your best album if you let Rza do the whole thing but that doesnt mean you cant have a good album without him(ie, grandmasters, heavy mental).

dudes just need to pick better tracks.