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check two
12-16-2006, 02:04 AM
What are your thoughts on this topic?


FRIDAY, Dec. 15 (HealthDay News) -- As a child's IQ rises, his taste for meat in adulthood declines, a new study suggests.

British researchers have found that children's IQ predicts their likelihood of becoming vegetarians as young adults -- lowering their risk for cardiovascular disease in the process. The finding could explain the link between smarts and better health, the investigators say.

"Brighter people tend to have healthier dietary habits," concluded lead author Catharine Gale, a senior research fellow at the MRC Epidemiology Resource Centre of the University of Southampton and Southampton General Hospital.

Recent studies suggest that vegetarianism may be associated with lower cholesterol, reduced risk of obesity and heart disease. This might explain why children with high IQs tend to have a lower risk of heart disease in later life.

The report is published in the Dec. 15 online edition of the British Medical Journal.

"We know from other studies that brighter children tend to behave in a healthier fashion as adults -- they're less likely to smoke, less likely to be overweight, less likely to have high blood pressure and more likely to take strenuous exercise," Gale said. "This study provides further evidence that people with a higher IQ tend to have a healthier lifestyle."

In the study, Gale's team collected data on nearly 8,200 men and women aged 30, whose IQ had been tested when they were 10 years of age.

"Children who scored higher on IQ tests at age 10 were more likely than those who got lower scores to report that they were vegetarian at the age of 30," Gale said.

The researchers found that 4.5 percent of participants were vegetarians. Of these, 2.5 percent were vegan, and 33.6 percent said they were vegetarian but also ate fish or chicken.

There was no difference in IQ score between strict vegetarians and those who said they were vegetarian but who said they ate fish or chicken, the researchers add.

Vegetarians were more likely to be female, of higher social class and better educated, but IQ was still a significant predictor of being vegetarian after adjustment for these factors, Gale said.

"Vegetarian diets are associated with lower cardiovascular disease risk in a number of studies, so these findings suggest that a such a diet may help to explain why children or adolescents with a higher IQ have a lower risk of coronary heart disease as adults," Gale said.

One expert said the findings aren't the whole answer, however.

"This study left many unanswered questions such as: Did the vegetarian children grow up in a household with a vegetarian parent? Were meatless meals regularly served in the household? Were the children eating a primarily vegetarian diet at the age of 10?" said Lona Sandon, an assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas.

"In addition, we don't know the beliefs or attitudes of the parents of the children, nor do we know if there was a particular event that led these children to becoming vegetarian in their teens or adulthood," Sandon said.

As the study showed, more women than men chose a vegetarian diet, Sandon noted. "Other research shows that women in general will focus more on their health than men. So, if they believe that a vegetarian diet will have health benefits, they are more likely to follow it," she said.

Given these factors, "we cannot draw any solid conclusions from this research," Sandon added.

Another expert agreed that a vegetarian diet is healthy.

"The evidence linking vegetarianism to good health outcomes is very strong," said Dr. David L. Katz, the director of the Prevention Research Center and an associate professor of public health at the Yale University School of Medicine.

"Studies, for example, of vegetarian Seventh-Day Adventists in California suggest that they have lower rates of almost all major chronic diseases, and greater longevity, than their omnivorous counterparts," Katz said. "Evidence is also strong and consistent that greater intelligence, higher education, and loftier social status -- which tend to cluster with one another -- also correlate with good health."

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tajeco
12-16-2006, 04:32 AM
I heard Albert Einstein was. Hitler too. Most people realize Hitler was smart (brainwashing people and all that), he just had messed up beliefs, so he sort of used his intelligence for evil.

Civilison
12-16-2006, 09:43 AM
Given these factors, "we cannot draw any solid conclusions from this research," Sandon added.an interesting read.

but yeah, that line sums it up right there.

i mean i am a vegetarian for a long time and am all for studies like these but on the other hand gotta be realistic.

i guess it all really depends. there is super smart meat eaters i am sure that would beat the IQ of some intelligent vegetarian guy or woman.

but for real for real!

some people underestimate vegetarianism because they don't understand the physiologic changes that the body undergoes when such diets are undertaken.

this study just shows that there are links and relations between a better diet and smarts, social status etc...

also, some vegetarians can be just as unhealthy as meat eaters.

peace

Sexy Jasper
12-16-2006, 10:30 AM
Vegeterians usually are richer people of higher social class, so it's only logical that the average veg has a higher IQ than the average omnivore.

LHX
12-16-2006, 10:56 AM
people are made out of food

consider the various qualities of food, and connect that to the capabilities of man

there are a lot of angles to look at it from and no clean cut answer
just like all the other topics that lead to arguments


IQ is a misleading stat as well

Sexy Jasper
12-16-2006, 11:09 AM
I kissed a counter girl at the gas stop

LHX
12-16-2006, 11:24 AM
romantic

was it an autistic chinese woman?

Sexy Jasper
12-16-2006, 05:59 PM
Ah wrong topic. Sorry. She was eastern Dutch and works at the gas station. I've been to at least 500 different gas stations over the past three years. And never once have I seen an attractive girl working at a gas station. So yeah, she's probably autistic or really fucked up in a different way. But that's ok, I'm used to it. She probably wasn't a vegetarian because she gave me her number and I just noticed it's one digit too short... or maybe that makes me the dicksauce.




Shit ;(

the silencer
12-16-2006, 06:04 PM
Vegeterians usually are richer people of higher social class, so it's only logical that the average veg has a higher IQ than the average omnivore.
thats a good point..

i go to this salad/soup place right by my school alot and the clientele seems to be only rich-looking, smart business ppl...i stroll in with my akademiks jacket on and a hoody n ppl look at me weird..haha

ive been steadily moving towards full vegetarianism the last 6 months or so but now im wondering wtf shood i be eating everyday??? like, am i missing somethin important out of the 5 food groups? im thinkin about monitoring what i eat everyday bc i feel like somethins missin...

Frontal Lobotomy
12-16-2006, 06:47 PM
Being a vegetarian is expensive, thats for sure. A lot of pseudo-intellectuals have claimed to be vegetarian also, in my experience.

rubyspirit
12-17-2006, 04:28 PM
Actually being a vegetarian is cheaper. Meat is expensive, not vegetables.

Vegetarian is the way to go! And ya'll thought I was crazy. :lmao:

EAGLE EYE
12-17-2006, 04:39 PM
Vegetarians are almost as annoying as those certain homosexuals who are always trying to bring attention to the fact that they are gay. Nobody really gives a shit about their "exclusive alternative life stlye." They need to learn to be low key about it and not turn it into a fucking spectacle when interacting with people in their everyday travels.

the silencer
12-17-2006, 08:41 PM
Vegetarians are almost as annoying as those certain homosexuals who are always trying to bring attention to the fact that they are gay. Nobody really gives a shit about their "exclusive alternative life stlye." They need to learn to be low key about it and not turn it into a fucking spectacle when interacting with people in their everyday travels.
if ur sig wasnt so cool i might try to object to something ur saying..

check two
12-17-2006, 11:51 PM
I'm leaning more toward being a vegetarian also. I think hardcore meat eaters are more annoying than vegetarians. They tend to be the ones that talk more shit, and when they eat a disgusting rare steak with blood running down their mouth, I swear you can see a lightbulb barely flickering.

EAGLE EYE
12-18-2006, 07:44 PM
some dude at a gas station tried selling me steak out of the back of his pick up truck last night when i was goin' in to grab some beer. I laughed pretty hard. Dood was such a hick.

Sexy Jasper
12-18-2006, 07:55 PM
I once skinned a deer and ate some of it raw. I was covered in blood and licked it off my fingers when it dried up. Their blood tastes different than human blood.