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7EL7
12-24-2006, 12:56 PM
Here is the Bible



Genesis 34:25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=34&verse=25&version=31&context=verse)
Three days later, while all of them were still in pain, two of Jacob's sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, took their swords and attacked the unsuspecting city, killing every male.
Genesis 34:24-26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=34&verse=24&end_verse=26&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Genesis 34 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=34&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Genesis 49:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=49&verse=5&version=31&context=verse)
"Simeon and Levi are brothers— their swords are weapons of violence.
Genesis 49:4-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=49&verse=4&end_verse=6&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Genesis 49 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=49&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Joshua 10:11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=10&verse=11&version=31&context=verse)
As they fled before Israel on the road down from Beth Horon to Azekah, the LORD hurled large hailstones down on them from the sky, and more of them died from the hailstones than were killed by the swords of the Israelites.
Joshua 10:10-12 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=10&verse=10&end_verse=12&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Joshua 10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=10&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Judges 7:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=7&verse=22&version=31&context=verse)
When the three hundred trumpets sounded, the LORD caused the men throughout the camp to turn on each other with their swords. The army fled to Beth Shittah toward Zererah as far as the border of Abel Meholah near Tabbath.
Judges 7:21-23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=7&verse=21&end_verse=23&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Judges 7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=7&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Judges 8:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=8&verse=10&version=31&context=verse)
Now Zebah and Zalmunna were in Karkor with a force of about fifteen thousand men, all that were left of the armies of the eastern peoples; a hundred and twenty thousand swordsmen had fallen.
Judges 8:9-11 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=8&verse=9&end_verse=11&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Judges 8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=8&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Judges 20:2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=2&version=31&context=verse)
The leaders of all the people of the tribes of Israel took their places in the assembly of the people of God, four hundred thousand soldiers armed with swords.
Judges 20:1-3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=1&end_verse=3&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Judges 20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Judges 20:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=15&version=31&context=verse)
At once the Benjamites mobilized twenty-six thousand swordsmen from their towns, in addition to seven hundred chosen men from those living in Gibeah.
Judges 20:14-16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=14&end_verse=16&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Judges 20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Judges 20:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=17&version=31&context=verse)
Israel, apart from Benjamin, mustered four hundred thousand swordsmen, all of them fighting men.
Judges 20:16-18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=16&end_verse=18&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Judges 20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Judges 20:25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=25&version=31&context=verse)
This time, when the Benjamites came out from Gibeah to oppose them, they cut down another eighteen thousand Israelites, all of them armed with swords.
Judges 20:24-26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=24&end_verse=26&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Judges 20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)
Judges 20:35 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=35&version=31&context=verse)
The LORD defeated Benjamin before Israel, and on that day the Israelites struck down 25,100 Benjamites, all armed with swords.
Judges 20:34-36 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&verse=34&end_verse=36&version=31&context=context) (in Context) Judges 20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=7&chapter=20&version=31&context=chapter) (Whole Chapter)

Vegan
12-24-2006, 12:58 PM
The Qur'an and the Judeau/Christian Bible are full of violence. Why? Because the books are both works of fiction.

7EL7
12-24-2006, 12:59 PM
i didn't see violence in the Quaran

have you read both books ?

Vegan
12-24-2006, 01:39 PM
I have. The Qur'an is LOADED with violence. And so is the Bible. A good number of it perpetrated by the "all-loving" "God" that Jews, Muslims, and Christians worship. I'm not trying to disrespect those who follow those mythologies, but it is what it is!

7EL7
12-24-2006, 02:48 PM
Religion is terrible Religious people are worst

Prince Rai
12-24-2006, 02:52 PM
The Qur'an and the Judeau/Christian Bible are full of violence. Why? Because the books are both works of fiction.

fiction on its own does not constitute violence as such. nature is not fiction, but it can be "violent".

Vegan
12-24-2006, 03:06 PM
You're right, Prince. What I mean is that they are violent books of fiction.

7EL7
12-24-2006, 03:08 PM
can you up some verses from the Quaran that you see as violent ?

crass
12-24-2006, 05:24 PM
dude is "mud society" some black power thing? that is fucking hilarious

7EL7
12-24-2006, 05:35 PM
dude is "mud society" some black power thing? that is fucking hilarious


are you asking me then laughing at an answer you haven't been given ?

crass
12-24-2006, 05:39 PM
no i'm obviously laughing at a hypothetical.

7EL7
12-24-2006, 05:52 PM
no i'm obviously laughing at a hypothetical.



Drink Bleach ?

crass
12-24-2006, 05:53 PM
What is MUD SOCIETY

7EL7
12-24-2006, 06:01 PM
What is MUD SOCIETY



the summary is here www.mudsociety.com

in the general chat under "what is Mud Society"

Vegan
12-24-2006, 06:12 PM
I don't have a Qur'an anymore, but all the descriptions of what will happen to your "soul" when "God" send your ass to "hell"... festering boiling water to drink, etc.

7EL7
12-24-2006, 06:21 PM
here is an Online one


http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

Vegan
12-24-2006, 06:55 PM
I did a search and came up with may sites referring to violence in the Qur'an. Most of them of course are biased against it, but they do list the actual verses with regards to violence. Click the following link for the verses in question:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

In all fairness, This link here lists some found in the bible:

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/BibleViolence.htm

When it comes to these books, I do this... :(W

the silencer
12-24-2006, 07:42 PM
theres definitely a whole shit load of violence in the Old Testament..

it tries to teach lessons and morals through mythological stories, just like other cultures did (Homer's Odyssey for example...there's many others)....

and i havent read the whole Qur'an but i know it tells of a few of the bloody battles that Muhammad and his crew fought early on in the history of Islam....

Muhammad's old tribe the Quryash hated his whole new idea of worshipping one god (Allah) because they had many deep traditions n shit involved in paganism...and he was drawin so many converts so quickly that they saw this threat and gathered up to kill the man....

there was a couple of crazy battles and i know that one of them (i forget what its called but it was like the biggest one) ended with Muhammad's crew like slaughtering all those who were left of the enemies...some really bad shit...

but i think with all these things its important to keep in mind what shit was like back then....i mean, this stuff with Muhammad was goin on 1,400 years ago in tribal Arabia....

and as for the Old Testament, whatever truth is involved in those violent stories, that shit took place like 3,000 years ago give or take a couple centuries....

HANZO
12-24-2006, 07:56 PM
ppl must remember when these books were written violence was normal. there were many wars and carrying a sword around with you was common.

7EL7
12-24-2006, 08:17 PM
ppl must remember when these books were written violence was normal. there were many wars and carrying a sword around with you was common.

i see it as more normal now than ever

they can stop inmates from mutilating each other in prison

they promote violence on a large scale in the theatres and on TV/Cable

its easy to find visuals of people slaughtering people on the net

its big business and a part of todays entertainment

lets stop for a minute and ask ourselves why

TeknicelStylez
12-24-2006, 08:43 PM
I'd say that life in general is full of violence. Like prince said before, nature is full of violence, animals are equipped with razor sharp accesories to rip flesh and devour smaller and weaker creatures. Violence is as much an aspect of life as happiness and pleasure it's just at the other end of the spectrum.

noel411
12-24-2006, 09:05 PM
Allah and the bible's "God" are the kings of violence. If you don't do what they tell you you'll certainly be finding out all about it.

Quran=Worst and most harmful book I've ever read.

Bible=2nd worst and 2nd most harmful book I've read, although I haven't read the whole thing yet. I've read enough though.

snapple
12-24-2006, 09:06 PM
Religion is terrible Religious people are worst

THIS *****

you gotta be kidding me, you gonna be preaching all the time about tolerance and peace, but it only applies to race i suppose? man u as ignorant as the people you hate so much. big thumbs down u were a good poster in my eyes 2...you aint marked as permanent but this is a suprisising and dissapointing comment i wouldnty expect from u

whitey
12-24-2006, 09:25 PM
^ i think he was being sarcastic, but who knows.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS KIDS

7EL7
12-24-2006, 10:09 PM
THIS *****

you gotta be kidding me, you gonna be preaching all the time about tolerance and peace, but it only applies to race i suppose? man u as ignorant as the people you hate so much. big thumbs down u were a good poster in my eyes 2...you aint marked as permanent but this is a suprisising and dissapointing comment i wouldnty expect from u


does this mean you don't like me anymore ?
do you have a stomach ache ?
i said something you didn't agree with ?
are you religious, did you just prove me right ?
who do i hate ?
tell me all about myself

whitey
12-24-2006, 11:29 PM
you're kinda like therapy.

Frontal Lobotomy
12-25-2006, 06:18 AM
Burn them both, they're a detriment

HANZO
12-25-2006, 09:33 AM
the thing i dont get with ppl saying the holy books are violent is that i read the qu'ran and in no way shape or form did i wanna go outside and declare a holy war on sumone. when u read the book it doesnt automatically make u a terrorist. all this islam is a violent religion only came about after 9/11 and the antics of al-queda.

Wu-tang Fan
12-25-2006, 10:41 AM
It's certainly full of evil =D

7EL7
12-25-2006, 01:12 PM
i don't see the Quaran as violent at all
maybe i need to reread it again soon

MsRzaRecTaH
12-25-2006, 01:21 PM
I love APSU

7EL7
12-25-2006, 01:35 PM
I love APSU


i love you unconditionally

ARRCIMEDES
12-25-2006, 02:39 PM
Can those in such bliss be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the fire and be given to drink boiling water so thay it cuts up their bowels into pieces?

Thats quite violent if you want to rap and look pretty.

7EL7
12-25-2006, 02:46 PM
Can those in such bliss be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the fire and be given to drink boiling water so thay it cuts up their bowels into pieces?

Thats quite violent if you want to rap and look pretty.


key characters are highlighted
its a question


check this out


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/bible3.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/bible2.jpg












































http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/LOUDBIRD/bible1.jpg







etc etc ..........................

ARRCIMEDES
12-25-2006, 03:27 PM
:'o “Love curses people both the ones who give and the ones who receive :'o

http://re3.mm-a3.yimg.com/image/2506732420

never really did get any ass in this business of rapdonkeys because they bust round and turn the place out

snapple
12-25-2006, 08:49 PM
does this mean you don't like me anymore ?
do you have a stomach ache ?
i said something you didn't agree with ?
are you religious, did you just prove me right ?
who do i hate ?
tell me all about myself


if you gonna talk like that then i got nothing to say 2 u. PEACE

MsRzaRecTaH
12-25-2006, 11:49 PM
i love you unconditionally

Peace to that!!

Muslimah
12-26-2006, 01:31 AM
Look for violence and you will find violence. Look for peace and you will find peace. Look for love and you will find love. Look for truth and you will find truth....

The question should be what are you looking for? If anything what you find is a reflection of what is within yourself.

7EL7
12-26-2006, 01:56 AM
if you look for a good meal in a place that only sells ham sandwiches and pepsi,
you'll get ham sandwiches and pepsi

whitey
12-26-2006, 05:35 PM
or you can leave.

7EL7
12-26-2006, 06:48 PM
you can look for Peace and find War
you can look for Love and find Hate


Just Be

Prince Rai
12-27-2006, 08:00 AM
It's quite important just "to be", it is something Plato referred to in "The Republic".
Imitating or trying to hard to be something you are not, leaves gaps and flaws in your existance making you much more prone to errors.

Life is what it is, a balancing act between two powers. A Negative and a Positive.

We can construe violence from anything. The main line of thought to have is, what effects and what we ought to do with the information we are given that seems to contain violence. I mean, isn't the Quran offset by PEACE, when we consider the vast amount of words trying to show how peaceful Islam is etc?

Violence is a term used to describe events from a point of view, it is a reality we cannot run away from, but it is a weakness we can overcome.

Tell me, doesn't the Quran perhaps hint out an option to get away from violence or even evil?


Peace is all around you, cos you make it, despite people's evil ways.

Muslimah
12-27-2006, 06:13 PM
if you look for a good meal in a place that only sells ham sandwiches and pepsi,
you'll get ham sandwiches and pepsi

you can look for Peace and find War
you can look for Love and find Hate


Just Be


I would look elsewhere actually, or starve. Besides your analogy doesnt apply to what you find when you read a book with as many layers and secrets as the Quran.

Read my post in the context of this thread, which refers to what people see when they read the Quran.

If you are looking for peace in your spiritual life and you find war then you still have alot of development ahead of you, as we all do, in one way or another.

If somebody is to open the Quran, a source of peace for so many and only see violence then I would like to ask why? Why is it that so many contrasting views are reached from reading such a text? Why is it that people convert to Islam after reading the Quran because of that peace they experience and yet others scream violence?

It all has to do with their disposition prior to reading it and what exactly they are expecting to find. The Quran in a miracle in many ways and I feel that one of the most significant is in it's ability to reflect onto the reader an image of their own spiritual state.

peace

supremecharma
12-28-2006, 02:25 AM
I would look elsewhere actually, or starve. Besides your analogy doesnt apply to what you find when you read a book with as many layers and secrets as the Bible.

Read his post in the context of this thread, which refers to what people see when they read the Bible.

If you are looking for peace in your spiritual life and you find war then you still have alot of development ahead of you, as we all do, in one way or another.

If somebody is to open the Bible, a source of peace for so many and only see violence then I would like to ask why? Why is it that so many contrasting views are reached from reading such a text? Why is it that people convert to Christianity after reading the Bible because of that peace they experience and yet others scream violence?

It all has to do with their disposition prior to reading it and what exactly they are expecting to find. The Bible is a miracle in many ways and I feel that one of the most significant is in it's ability to reflect onto the reader an image of their own spiritual state.

peace

Imperial1
12-29-2006, 12:35 PM
Who is "they?"

Imperial1

Skellington
12-29-2006, 12:54 PM
And lies

Golden_Armz
01-04-2007, 08:31 PM
asalamu alikoum Muslimah!

long time no speak, a rare breeze thru this forum didnt expect to see you still hitting it up, its like an old addiction, and you go back just to make sure your not missing much lol...

theres kuffar on here that dont react to truth hence no intelligent response to your post....a bunch of brain deads ....another thread quoted "a mysterious book coming soon after the bible and quran" and peoples always like "what where and how" always looking for more proof but when it comes to them they dont take heed.

Dirty Knowledge
01-05-2007, 03:08 PM
Your point?

noel411
01-05-2007, 07:52 PM
a bunch of brain deads
Wow...

LORD NOSE
06-09-2011, 03:57 PM
up

WARPATH
06-09-2011, 05:19 PM
Man is Violent. Some might argue- naturally violent.

Bible and Quaran are written by men.

Men made God in his own image.

IrOnMaN
06-09-2011, 05:30 PM
Man is Violent. Some might argue- naturally violent.

Bible and Quaran are written by men.

Men made God in his own image.

So, God likes violence.

WARPATH
06-09-2011, 05:41 PM
So, God likes violence.

No. Man likes violence.

WARPATH
06-09-2011, 05:44 PM
Men like to think they know who God is and how he feels. They write books about it. Preach about it.

But only god knows how god feels. That's why I don't deal with books that try and explain God.

IrOnMaN
06-09-2011, 06:23 PM
Men like to think they know who God is and how he feels. They write books about it. Preach about it.

But only god knows how god feels. That's why I don't deal with books that try and explain God.

Yeah. God doesn't have a spokesperson. But then again, what are pastors and bishops for? Their purpose is to teach the word of God. So, in a way, they have the right to explain what God feels. However, God isn't human. He's a spirit.

WARPATH
06-09-2011, 06:39 PM
Yeah. God doesn't have a spokesperson. But then again, what are pastors and bishops for? Their purpose is to teach the word of God. So, in a way, they have the right to explain what God feels. However, God isn't human. He's a spirit.

"He's a spirit" "God isn't human"

We don't get to define what God is or isn't.

Each cultures "Pastors and bishops" or spiritual leaders are not God's spokes person in that sense. Their purpose is to give spiritual guidance so people can attain the help, healing, and answers they need on their own.

They don't have right to explain what God feels because they don't KNOW what God feels.

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
06-09-2011, 06:39 PM
Yeah. God doesn't have a spokesperson. But then again, what are pastors and bishops for? Their purpose is to teach the word of God. So, in a way, they have the right to explain what God feels. However, God isn't human. He's a spirit.



thanks for clearing that for us for all of us, Tectrus.

what's your evidence?

IrOnMaN
06-09-2011, 06:52 PM
"He's a spirit" "God isn't human"

We don't get to define what God is or isn't.

Each cultures "Pastors and bishops" or spiritual leaders are not God's spokes person in that sense. Their purpose is to give spiritual guidance so people can attain the help, healing, and answers they need on their own.

They don't have right to explain what God feels because they don't KNOW what God feels.

Fair enough.

thanks for clearing that for us for all of us, Tectrus.

what's your evidence?

To be honest, I don't have any tangible evidence that God exists. What do you people want?

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
06-09-2011, 06:55 PM
"you people"...?

fucking bigot.

IrOnMaN
06-09-2011, 07:01 PM
"you people"...?

fucking bigot.

No! I'm talking about everyone. That wasn't a racist comment, Dan. A lot of people are atheist because they want tangible evidence that God exists. No one can provide such evidence. That's why I said, "What do you people want?"

Wu-Tang Forum Internet Poster
06-09-2011, 07:26 PM
No! I'm talking about everyone. That wasn't a racist comment, Dan. A lot of people are atheist because they want tangible evidence that God exists. No one can provide such evidence. That's why I said, "What do you people want?"

No, I knew what you meant, Tectrus.

I don't have a problem per se with anybody's take on "God', so long as they don't think that their beliefs make them superior, more enlightened, or more intelligent than anyone else with differing beliefs.

I don't care if it's Christian, Jew, Musilm, Pagan, Athiest, or Spiritual Wu-Corp Egypt/Mathematics/Collective Conscience Internet Fag Religion or whatever.

Nobody "knows" shit.

I'm skeptical myself because it seems kind of silly, but I keep quiet cause I don't really have a better explanation for certain shit.

LORD NOSE
06-10-2011, 02:31 PM
"What do you people want?"


just some words to explain why you say that god exist as a spirit




God isn't human. He's a spirit.

have you ever asked yourself

who or what is god ?

what is a spirit ?