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Treazon
01-12-2007, 07:09 PM
he may be slightly over-rated in the underground as a crazy battle rapper, or he may be over-rated as a revolutionary mind, but i think the dude has a lot of intelligent shit to say, and his opinions, even tho far-fetched by todays "i need scientific proof" standards, look at worldly issues in a way that the media and government definately want to supress.< that i think is inarguable.

back to ITs politics, lemme post a verse, its from Stand Still with KP and Bloodsport.

mothafuckas tell me, that i live in the last days
stupid fuck you think AIDs is the last plague?
see Man made God in his own image,
culture, language and his own limits, even his own spirit,
so he can fool other men into believing in his own gimmicks
i stomp the Atlantic, pivot the planet
while niggas turn a cheek to a Catholic faggot
mythological gangsta, cryin' that you spit it hard
you get'cha bitch gang-raped by Minotaurs
no facade or exaggeration we were born to rule the world after Revelations
you can call it God's wrath or Allah's math
like the Texas, chainsaw, massacre slash
bars of death when i spit em out
concentration camp gold ripped out of a Jew's mouth
melted into Swiss banks, that's how the world works!
we like the man looped to America's Ottoman Turks
fill the country till the bottom'll burst
Nazi pulp, sniper scope shot him in church
warrior past, slavery survivin' niggas
Harlem, North Philly nobody liver niggas
bittersweet apocolypse, alive at the end
gun in ya face, that'll be ya moment of sin
cuz when your world is over, mine just begins


good enough, and dont move this to lyric interpretation or something because theres nothing to interpret when his ideas are punching you in the face. just wanna discuss his thoughts.. like man made god in his own image?

whats believable whats bullshit here?

NASTY NAK
01-12-2007, 11:50 PM
well first of all he isn't "far fetched"...saying far fetched things is just a feeling because you as an individual are told it can't happen. Government controlling you bro...

the AIDS line is ill cuz its true. AIDS is a human made disease to control global population.

Alot of shit he says in his rhymes are thought provoking because IT doesn't listen to any of corporate america. TV is brainwashing, eveeeeeeeeerything is brainwashing, u gotta find knowledge yourself

Treazon
01-13-2007, 02:12 AM
your accusing me when im bringin up the subject? i said its far-fetched by todays need for physical, scientific proof, but whatever..

AIDs is a good example tho.. do you think a government would be as evil as to hold a cure for a contagious disease from the public? i know the european-decent white man has a lot of blood on his hands historically, but that is some down-right horrible shit. what about ebola? the plague?

the reason i believe I.T., is cuz the same civilization spread smallpox thru the aboriginals along with alcohol and their destructive way of life, which obviously is gonna fuck up a continent of relatively peaceful, respectful people.


i guess it would be hard to find opposition to this kinda shit on the forum?


peace

TurnThePage
01-13-2007, 02:31 AM
IT catches a lot of hate...

when i saw dude live at the rock the bells i gained a greater respect.

I say he deserves the recognition hes getting and should get even more...

i hope the passge is dope.

Longbongcilvaringz
01-13-2007, 10:18 AM
i love it how people like to say aids is a human made desease.

i havent seen one ounce of proof of this, but it seems to be some accepted thing in hip hop. lol.

TUCO
01-13-2007, 11:04 AM
AIDS came from gays

Visionz
01-13-2007, 11:48 AM
I think AIDS was invented to wipe out the populations of Africa. The idea may be scoffed at but look whats happening right now. The powers that be are always looking for both an upper-hand and a new way of exploiting people. AIDS is one of their new inventions.


To those sceptics that would scoff at that, I'll ask this.


With our defense budget much larger than any other country on this planet, don't you think biological warfare is part of the mix? If our goverment did invent AIDS, do you think they'd ever own up to it? And does lack of proof make something not real? Has the shadow agencies of our goverement,CIA in particular, ever shown a conscience with their actions?

Taylor_Made
01-13-2007, 03:04 PM
i love it how people like to say aids is a human made desease.

i havent seen one ounce of proof of this, but it seems to be some accepted thing in hip hop. lol.

No proof? How is it that there were no recorded cases of Aids in Africa until the World Health Organization started giving small pox immunizations? Theres a Documentary about this but the title escapes me right now. With all this shit the illuminati is throwing at us Mobb Deep said it best. "only the strong survive".

Anyone who is skeptic of all this just needs to dig a little deeper and connect the dots.

Treazon
01-14-2007, 02:32 AM
i think its a good chance AIDs is man-made but i can atleast accept that theres no good proof of it. though it would be obviously very very important for the gov't to keep their hands clean or it wouldn't work. the covering up of an injection of AIDs into Africa would be like 95% of the mission in the powerful position America is in

and if you do believe AIDs is man-made by the government (or other highly influential society) then you should also believe crack cocaine is another functional part of the population control.

what would be the benefits to whoever might be guilty for introducing AIDs? do that many powerful white people hate black people? i dont think so..... what im asking is what would be the actual motive?

Aboriginal God
01-17-2007, 05:10 PM
the documentary is called " river of blood" it is about the creation of aids in the congo by the world health organistion

SickSide
01-17-2007, 05:16 PM
i thought tarzan fucked cheetah and aids was created

Treazon
01-18-2007, 08:42 PM
IT off Angels of Death..

Immortal Technique i live life strangled in death
i walk thru the land, where the fallen angel is kept
but i would never bow down, to a pagan habit
like Roman Gods that were faggots named after the planets
the connotations of revelations, taken for granted
mark of the beast, government, microchips implanted
ill be branded a maniac, for speakin the truth
and ill be murdered as soon as i hit the street wit the proof
Illuminati tryin' to raise the devil at any cost
they prolly cloned jesus with the blood, offa the cross
and i know that its the same, mothafuckers i see
that genetically, engineered, HIV
controllin the population according mathematics
generated by Masons, and the military industry
sponsorin' terror, creatin a profit margin that'll last forever
the crusades and Vietnam sand-blasted together
if you believe'em whatever
even the federal promise, but the sport of ?Shakaun?
could never be honest, the poor people pay hommage
and pray to a God, that the Vatican themselves dont really believe in
because they'd rather worship money and the physical demons
witout biblical reason, i execute'em for treason,
i dont need an aliby, because my place in history,
is the book of Malachi, motherfucker.


brings up some interesting shit regarding a kind of NWO.. i dunno bout other ppl but it gets me interested

btw that verse is fucking fire

peace

Visionz
01-18-2007, 09:04 PM
what would be the benefits to whoever might be guilty for introducing AIDs? do that many powerful white people hate black people? i dont think so..... what im asking is what would be the actual motive?divide & conquor, AIDS in Africa is really, really rampant. Seems like it could be a way of getting at Africa's natural resources. Easier to do if everyone's dead.

Treazon
01-18-2007, 10:07 PM
yeah the profit from the complete sapping of the continent of Africa goes mostly to the States.. or whatever is ruling

snapple
01-19-2007, 04:44 PM
he doesn't say shit in the first verse....there really is no message...hes pretty much just being ignorant and trying to sound hard.

Treazon
01-19-2007, 05:02 PM
he doesn't say shit in the first verse....there really is no message...hes pretty much just being ignorant and trying to sound hard.

"see Man made God in his own image,
culture, language and his own limits, even his own spirit,
so he can fool other men into believing in his own gimmicks"

"no facade or exaggeration we were born to rule the world after Revelations"

"concentration camp gold ripped out of a Jew's mouth
melted into Swiss banks, that's how the world works!"

plus not to mention the line bout AIDs.. from those 3 parts its obvious he is making a point, especially the part about God, something ive thought for many years now.

show me the ignorance

Visionz
01-20-2007, 03:45 AM
seems like Snapple confused somebody saying something he didn't wanna hear for somebody saying nothing at all :no: two differnt things Snap, two different things

snapple
01-20-2007, 12:33 PM
"see Man made God in his own image,
culture, language and his own limits, even his own spirit,
so he can fool other men into believing in his own gimmicks"

"no facade or exaggeration we were born to rule the world after Revelations"

"concentration camp gold ripped out of a Jew's mouth
melted into Swiss banks, that's how the world works!"

plus not to mention the line bout AIDs.. from those 3 parts its obvious he is making a point, especially the part about God, something ive thought for many years now.

show me the ignorance

well the line about god is pretty ignorant. i don't know how you could have possibly thought about that for YEARS maybe youre looking at it in a different way i am. i see it as he is saying something extremley blasmophous and i rebuke it. god made man, i dont give a fuck what IT says. i don't even know what he is trying to say from that line...its not clear enough....how do u interpret it?


we were born to rule the world after revalations? what and whom is he referring too? does IT know anything about revalations at all?


i personally don't know what he's talking about with the jew's gold i couldn't say if that is or isn't accurate history....but yea the jews and many other ethnic groups were tortured and robbed during that time period....

snapple
01-20-2007, 12:35 PM
seems like Snapple confused somebody saying something he didn't wanna hear for somebody saying nothing at all :no: two differnt things Snap, two different things


youre right, i don't wanna hear IT his delivery is hot garbage. respect to his lyrics though but id rather read his shit over his instrumentals then listen to him

snapple
01-20-2007, 12:40 PM
"you get'cha bitch gang-raped by Minotaurs"

word thats deep shit homie

"while niggas turn a cheek to a Catholic faggot"

i do not belive in catholicism at all, but i would never say something like that or attack an entire group of people. practice what you preach IT.

"bittersweet apocolypse, alive at the end"

yo this cat is just stupid....

Treazon
01-20-2007, 01:43 PM
- man created our current perception of God based on fear and at the time, logic. the idea was reformed tons of times, in the end became one of the most enslaving and killing perceptions of all time. hes not saying the creation made the creator (something obviously had to have made us), but the idea of worshipping the creator early on in all civilizations was desctructive, but thats only to be expected from human beings right?

- ive actually read here in KTL about Revelations and how it talks about how the world is eventually the black man's.. this i dont know tons about but i think others in forum would.

- and of course there were Nazis who survived WWII and had investments in certain things.. paintings, gold teeth (IT uses for the imagery and barbaric nature) and all types of shit were used by Nazi and SS officers for a "fall-back" plan making most of them millionaires (compared to modern-standards). Fuck, even the fucking president of the U.S. worked with the Nazis against the Russians during the Cold War.. they were trying to save face and slip back into prominence, IMO.

- as for Minotaurs, i think it was one of his battle-lines that made an appearance into a regular verse. i know minotaurs are greek mythology and IT makes fun of and hates on greek/roman mythology constantly, so this line does connect to IT as an ARTIST.

- "a catholic faggot" and "some catholic faggots" are two different statements. to practice what he preached he would technically only have to hate one catholic faggot! if you wanna get literal meanings ill bash your head with them :frusty:. oh and this line kinda goes with the God one, because he has obviously rejected the modern conception of God.

- bittersweet apocolypse because hes the only one alive at the end.. thats the way i understand the line, i dont know how you would. thats called symbolism by the way, most good artists or writers know how to use it and imagery together.


as for delivery, IT is known more for his battles than for his political rhyming, and you cant exactly win the biggest freestyle battle tournaments in the states without having delivery.. delivery is basic for that shit.

im not on the guy's dick or anything, but snapple made some assumptions or didnt understand what IT was implying so i had to explain atleast what i think he means. take what you want from it

peace

snapple
01-20-2007, 03:08 PM
- man created our current perception of God based on fear and at the time, logic. the idea was reformed tons of times, in the end became one of the most enslaving and killing perceptions of all time. hes not saying the creation made the creator (something obviously had to have made us), but the idea of worshipping the creator early on in all civilizations was desctructive, but thats only to be expected from human beings right?

- ive actually read here in KTL about Revelations and how it talks about how the world is eventually the black man's.. this i dont know tons about but i think others in forum would.

- and of course there were Nazis who survived WWII and had investments in certain things.. paintings, gold teeth (IT uses for the imagery and barbaric nature) and all types of shit were used by Nazi and SS officers for a "fall-back" plan making most of them millionaires (compared to modern-standards). Fuck, even the fucking president of the U.S. worked with the Nazis against the Russians during the Cold War.. they were trying to save face and slip back into prominence, IMO.

- as for Minotaurs, i think it was one of his battle-lines that made an appearance into a regular verse. i know minotaurs are greek mythology and IT makes fun of and hates on greek/roman mythology constantly, so this line does connect to IT as an ARTIST.

- "a catholic faggot" and "some catholic faggots" are two different statements. to practice what he preached he would technically only have to hate one catholic faggot! if you wanna get literal meanings ill bash your head with them :frusty:. oh and this line kinda goes with the God one, because he has obviously rejected the modern conception of God.

- bittersweet apocolypse because hes the only one alive at the end.. thats the way i understand the line, i dont know how you would. thats called symbolism by the way, most good artists or writers know how to use it and imagery together.


as for delivery, IT is known more for his battles than for his political rhyming, and you cant exactly win the biggest freestyle battle tournaments in the states without having delivery.. delivery is basic for that shit.

im not on the guy's dick or anything, but snapple made some assumptions or didnt understand what IT was implying so i had to explain atleast what i think he means. take what you want from it

peace


hahah you read about revalations in KTL...hahah im sorry dook but if you want knowledge stay out of KTL and go pick up some books.

the idea of worsipping god is destructive? your brain is polluted.

bittwesweet apoclolypse line is stupid because he odviously lacks understanding of what the apoloclypse is.

bash my head in? listen you nerd you completely missed my point, he is suppose to be a "man of revolution" and constantly speaks about the dark side of american society. someone who is a victim of prejudice should not be prejudice towards others. he is a hypacrit.

what battle tournaments is IT winning anyway?

Treazon
01-20-2007, 04:10 PM
hahah you read about revalations in KTL...hahah im sorry dook but if you want knowledge stay out of KTL and go pick up some books.

the idea of worsipping god is destructive? your brain is polluted.

bittwesweet apoclolypse line is stupid because he odviously lacks understanding of what the apoloclypse is.

bash my head in? listen you nerd you completely missed my point, he is suppose to be a "man of revolution" and constantly speaks about the dark side of american society. someone who is a victim of prejudice should not be prejudice towards others. he is a hypacrit.

what battle tournaments is IT winning anyway?

point taken bout learning in KTL, but whatever im not desperate to learn about that in particular, but i threw it up there anyway in case somebody wanted to elaborate or whatever.

i just think the division of so many prominent religions around the world has led to alot of discrimination and shit because we fear what we dont understand. the core set of values and beliefs and stuff that revolve around most religions obviously have good intentions, or would work if more people could abide by them, but so far that hasnt really happened for long. also the fact that there are large religions in the world that collide so much i find it hard to think that one would be true out of numerous.

show me your understanding of the apocolypse before you shit on the idea of someone else's

and either shut the fuck up or make your point if you want me to hear it. you never said shit bout him being a hypocrit or a fake "revolutionary" man but call me a nerd (for some reason) for missing your point? and the concept of revolution is the citizens being governed overthrowing the government, how the fuck is that supposed to happen if you aren't critical of the government? and if your gonna go against him atleast understand what the fuck he means before you say some shit you cant back up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCgmrZJhoBA

id research what tournaments he's won but i really dont give a shit because the thread is about his ideals, not him.

Treazon
01-22-2007, 12:56 AM
Most of my Latino and black people who are struggling to get food, clothes and shelter in the hood are so concerned with that, that philosophising about freedom and socialist democracy is usually unfortunately beyond their rationale. They don't realize that America can't exist without separating them from their identity, because if we had some sense of who we really are, there's no way in hell we'd allow this country to push it's genocidal consensus on our homelands. This ignorance exists, but it can be destroyed.

Nigga talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you. There is usually nothing wrong with compromise in a situation, but compromising yourself in a situation is another story completely, and I have seen this happen long enough in the few years that I've been alive to know that it's a serious problem. Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of economic imperialism. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as this one and traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.

I'm quite sure that people will look upon my attitude and sentiments and look for hypocrisy and hatred in my words. My revolution is born out of love for my people, not hatred for others.

You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Columbia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.

As different as we have been taught to look at each other by colonial society, we are in the same struggle and until we realize that, we'll be fighting for scraps from the table of a system that has kept us subservient instead of being self-determined. And that's why we have no control over when the embargo will stop in Cuba, or when the bombs will stop dropping in Vieques.

But you see, here in America the attitude that is fed to us is that outside of America there live lesser people. "Fuck them, let them fend for themselves." No, Fuck you, they are you. No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, you will never be them. They're always gonna look at you as nothing but a little monkey. I'd rather be proud of what I am, rather than desperately trying to be something I'm really not, just to fit in. And whether we want to accept it or not, that's what this culture or lack of culture is feeding us.

I want a better life for my family and for my children, but it doesn't have to be at the expense of millions of lives in my homeland. We're given the idea that if we didn't have these people to exploit then America wouldn't be rich enough to let us have these little petty material things in our lives and basic standards of living. No, that's wrong. It's the business giants and the government officials who make all the real money. We have whatever they kick down to us. My enemy is not the average white man, it's not the kid down the block or the kids I see on the street; my enemy is the white man I don't see: the people in the white house, the corporate monopoly owners, fake liberal politicians those are my enemies. The generals of the armies that are mostly conservatives those are the real Mother-Fuckers that I need to bring it to, not the poor, broke country-ass soldier that's too stupid to know shit about the way things are set up.

In fact, I have more in common with most working and middle-class white people than I do with most rich black and Latino people. As much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat and it's sinking, while these bougie Mother-Fuckers ride on a luxury liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living as a whole.

In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation I want to come back, free all my people, hang the Mother-Fucker that kept me there and burn the house to the god damn ground. I want to take over the encomienda and give it back to the people who work the land.

You cannot change the past but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different is a Fucking lethargic devil. I don't look at a few token Latinos and black people in the public eye as some type of achievement for my people as a whole. Most of those successful individuals are sell-outs and house Negros.

But, I don't consider brothers a sell-out if they move out of the ghetto. Poverty has nothing to do with our people. It's not in our culture to be poor. That's only been the last 500 years of our history; look at the last 2000 years of our existence and what we brought to the world in terms of science, mathematics, agriculture and forms of government. You know the idea of a confederation of provinces where one federal government controls the states? The Europeans who came to this country stole that idea from the Iroquois lead. The idea of impeaching a ruler comes from an Aztec tradition. That's why Montezuma was stoned to death by his own people 'cause he represented the agenda of white Spaniards once he was captured, not the Aztec people who would become Mexicans.

So in conclusion, I'm not gonna vote for anybody just 'cause they black or Latino they have to truly represent the community and represent what's good for all of us proletariat.

Porque sino entonces te mando por el carajo cabron gusano hijo de puta, seramos libre pronto, viva la revolucion, VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

thats Poverty of Philosophy, a spoken word track said over a decent beat from Revolutionary Vol. 1

all in all, thats some real shit.

peace

J.T.S.
01-22-2007, 12:33 PM
i think its a good chance AIDs is man-made but i can atleast accept that theres no good proof of it. though it would be obviously very very important for the gov't to keep their hands clean or it wouldn't work. the covering up of an injection of AIDs into Africa would be like 95% of the mission in the powerful position America is in

and if you do believe AIDs is man-made by the government (or other highly influential society) then you should also believe crack cocaine is another functional part of the population control.

what would be the benefits to whoever might be guilty for introducing AIDs? do that many powerful white people hate black people? i dont think so..... what im asking is what would be the actual motive?

I think most powerful white people hate black people!

Treazon
01-22-2007, 04:45 PM
why tho?

are there that many powerful white people who are also racist towards blacks?

MsRzaRecTaH
01-22-2007, 08:58 PM
i thought tarzan fucked cheetah and aids was created

Lmaooo word I heard the same shit too!! +)