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iniquity
02-24-2007, 08:52 AM
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http://vladbad.blog.kataweb.it/vladbad_news_center/images/jfk_rfk_b_jpg.jpg


.. Easy enough .. Who do you think killed JFK & RFK & why? ..

froth
02-24-2007, 11:06 AM
the most plausible scenario re jfk for me is that the mob killed him. they had supported his candidacy and were unhappy with his policies. all of the oswald cats had mob ties. they def could have done it. i think thats the most likely scenario but im not sure.

for rfk im not sure, i just know it couldnt have been sirhan based on ballisitics. maybe the mob again, i dont know

the silencer
02-24-2007, 11:17 AM
i've seen enough evidence to believe the CIA did...

look here
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33245

UNCLE RUCKUS
02-24-2007, 05:28 PM
^^yeah I think it was Big Bush that did it He was in the CIA for years before they say

Gawd
02-24-2007, 05:42 PM
all of these 'secrets' that you internet users find is amazing....lawls. its always the cia or a bush with you guys. gets some new material already.

the silencer
02-24-2007, 07:54 PM
all of these 'secrets' that you internet users find is amazing....lawls. its always the cia or a bush with you guys. gets some new material already.
you're right ed, what are we thinking?

maestro wooz
02-24-2007, 10:24 PM
"they" killed him

GENERAL WISE
02-24-2007, 11:12 PM
MILITARY SUPPLIERS KILLED JFK.

RE. On the Trail of the Assassins

Alcryt
02-25-2007, 11:04 AM
Lee Harvey Oswald, he was a communist makes sense to me.

Frontal Lobotomy
02-25-2007, 12:36 PM
^He wasn't a communist, thats just spin to come from the fallout of the incident. I wouldn't put much faith in articles that made it in to the mainstream media and internet either, as it's clearly aimed to decieve.
No one will ever know for sure why they were killed, apart form the people behind it happening, be it the mob, FBI/CIA or otherwise. It didn't harm America in the long term, if anything they got stronger, same with that 911 stuff. America loves this consipracy shit that gives the wider masses the impression that the government can impliment such flawless plans and maintain control of the people, its all sensationalist nonsense.

beautifulrock
02-25-2007, 01:17 PM
actually the case files on the jfk assassination will be unsealed in like the year 2018 or somethin....

i think cubans killed jfk, sirhan sirhan killed rfk

LHX
02-25-2007, 01:47 PM
Dr. No


Gold Finger

Gawd
02-25-2007, 05:21 PM
you're right ed, what are we thinking?
of course i am right. i always am.

2L8Lit da croatianMC
02-26-2007, 09:18 AM
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http://vladbad.blog.kataweb.it/vladbad_news_center/images/jfk_rfk_b_jpg.jpg


.. Easy enough .. Who do you think killed JFK & RFK & why? ..

High skilled Assasinator ! ! !

Mista JpKoff
02-26-2007, 09:37 AM
HOOVER did it

L~>1<~NKS
02-26-2007, 03:29 PM
Castro, Russians, CIA, and "them". Oswald was jus a pawn.....




......damn I could sworn I saw a red dot on my cock, hold up someone's knockin on my door, BRB.....

Dirk Daring
03-09-2007, 12:02 AM
^^^^you said it the add-on is that the per-son who pulled the trigger was the man on the driver side thats why those who were sitting between them
(the (S)ecret (S)ervice (the SS, hmm) men in the front and JFK and his wife in the back) ducked. JFK orchestrated his own death to build himself up as a savior could be a possibility i would not rule it out.

What ever the cause Malcolm X was oddly exiled and later kicked out of the nation because of the statements he made about JACK(YAKUB) Kennedy (and other reasons too)... And He was later on murdered could that be tied into his statements with "the chicken's coming home to roast" I have my suspicions Here's the names I would not rule out....the Hoffa's, Nixon, Rockefeller's, or George Bush.

7forever
11-22-2010, 07:29 PM
The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news

Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing over.

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/harrisrecoil.gif
THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkcloserecoil.gif
The driver killed Kennedy and the Nix film provides conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.

Dokuro
11-22-2010, 07:36 PM
whistles......
i wasn't about to hand the country founded by demons of to those Catholics

7forever
11-22-2010, 07:37 PM
Mary took her pic at zframe 309 and in it, the fake blob of white is entirely missing from Roy's head because it was added during alteration to cover the gun over Greer's shoulder. Connally's reflection is accurately depicted in both the pic and film for authenticity.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint615.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint247-1.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint601.jpg
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint249-1.jpg
The fake reflection was NOT added to the nix or muchmore films. THERE IS NO OTHER SIDE TO THE TOP OF THE HEAD.

7forever
11-22-2010, 08:22 PM
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Thanks to the zfilm, the cover-up is now unravelling by simply watching (and NOT ignoring) the driver's movements before, during and after the fatal shot he fires. Greer has both hands off the wheel at frame 241 and his right hand with the gun meets his left hand at 242.
FRAME 241
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint315.jpg
Places gun in left hand with right.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/greer239247.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/gifsoup.gif

Visionz
11-22-2010, 10:03 PM
Your eyes see what the mind wants it to see. What you circle as being a gun is light illuminating the passenger's head as the car moves out the shadows.

It's taken me a while to realize it but trying to figure out all those mysteries, JFK, MLK, RFK, 9/11..... all that shit is a waste of your time. Be skeptical of anything the national news perpetuates or whatever, trust no one, but damn it all, spend your time doing what YOU want to do with your life, work hard, get money and build your own world. Everything else is a frivolous waste.

John Prewett
11-23-2010, 04:39 AM
Some factors I believe should be taken into account:
Vatican obviously had a stake in the success [or lack thereof] of the presidency of the only avowed RC USA president.
No matter what JFK might have done had he not been shot, .... he initially increased the American involvement in S.Vietnam. Summer of 63, Buddhist monks were protesting against the Roman Catholic dominated Diem regime by burning themselves to death in front of Western journalist.

[http://www.mosquitonet.com/~prewett/vietnamlist.html]

September 11, 1963 New York Times published an article by David Halberstam revealing RC aspects of the war.
I'm certain the Vatican did not want the American public to see the war as a war in support of a Roman Catholic dominated regime. The Vatican did not want the war to be tied to a RC president. JFK became worth more as a dead martyr than as a living president.
Head of CIA John McCone was a RC Knight of Malta,.... and many high level officials in key positions [government and media] were also avowed subjects of the "holy father" in Rome.

Hellspawn
11-23-2010, 04:49 AM
Bin Laden killed JFK

Urban_Journalz
11-23-2010, 08:37 AM
The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news

Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing over.

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/harrisrecoil.gif
THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/jfkcloserecoil.gif
The driver killed Kennedy and the Nix film provides conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.

You beat me to the punch 7 because I was really about to post the same shit. Nice one. Also, if anyone is still trying to say that 9/11 was anything except a controlled demolition by our Government, then I highly recommend a little documentary called, "Loose Change". Peace.

Urban_Journalz
11-23-2010, 08:38 AM
Oh, and the reason that they killed JFK is because he was about to inform the American public about the UFO Agenda and the drug smuggling that our Government is involved with.

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 09:11 AM
Several people trained in marksmanship have mentioned that if Oswald really was at the sniper's nest, where we're told he was, then why didn't he fire while Kennedy's car was coming directly towards him along Elm Street. It would be an easier shot without lead.

http://www.bcrevolution.ca/images/dealey.jpg

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 09:19 AM
http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061031_TheDebrisofHistory.php
http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061103_TheBushesandTheLostKing.php
http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061107_SimCityandJohnFKennedy.php
http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061110_JohnFKennedyandAllThose22isms22.php

http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061113_JohnFKennedyJEdgarHooverOrganizedCri meandtheGlobalVillage.php

http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061115_JohnFKennedyandthePsychopathologyofP olitics.php

http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061120_JohnFKennedyandthePigsofWar.php

http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061120_JohnFKennedyandtheTitans.php

http://www.sott.net/signs/editorials/signs20061122_JohnFKennedyandtheMonolithicandRuthl essConspiracy.php

worth the read

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 09:20 AM
Video of bodyguards ordered to step back from Kennedy's car minutes before he was shot

This is one of several videos under the heading of 'How they killed Kennedy'.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/206.html

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 09:26 AM
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3168/marymoormanzx1.jpg

This is an interesting picture it shows two woman standing behind President Kennedy....... the woman on the right in the dark coat holding the camera is called Mary Anne Moorman...... she took a very interesting photograph a split second before the fatal head shot strikes....... did she capture the assassin as he pulled the trigger hiding behind the white retaining wall on the knoll.......

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4778/moorman2pn4.jpg



This is the photograph she took is shows a figure in what looks like a police uniform crouching down behind the white retaining wall.......






This is a close up view showing the assassin as he pulled the trigger you can see the white muzzle flash of the gun going off........he is directly in line with the trajectory of the bullet that struck the fatal head shot........


http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2417/kennedy19moorman02yr2.jpg

A close up

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9688/blackdogreenactmentbe9.jpg

This is the view behind the white retaining wall........ the assassin would have chosen his position carefully he would have wanted to get as close to President Kennedy as possible with out being seen, this would have been an ideal position to strike President Kennedy....... once the assassin fired the fatal shot he could have ducked down behind the wall and crawled away....... no one is going to suspect a person in a Police uniform......


http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/684/jfkmotorcade2largedp4.jpg

The motorcade travels down Elm St..... can you see a dark figure behind the white retaining wall in the background.........





The dark figure circled in red....

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3444/blackdogmanvq5.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1206/blackdogmanarrowsml1.jpg

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 09:29 AM
President Kennedy was by far the best leader the world has ever seen. I have listened to some of his speaches, he semed not to like corruption, and favour the freedom, not concealment of information. Is it any wonder why they got rid of him, can you imagine what he could of told us?

The same forces killed him that killed Diana, Litvinenko, The Dr. who wrote the Iraqi Arms dossier (Name escapes me) and so many more

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 09:31 AM
i once heard it was one of the drivers involved as well

7forever
11-23-2010, 10:23 AM
You beat me to the punch 7 because I was really about to post the same shit. Nice one. Also, if anyone is still trying to say that 9/11 was anything except a controlled demolition by our Government, then I highly recommend a little documentary called, "Loose Change". Peace.

Someone actually agrees with common sense and their own eyes. Cool. 911 is complicated completely while Greer killing Kennedy is stupid easy, as far as reaching a conclusion.

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 10:32 AM
1 - As I illustrated the Storm Drain shooters have been highlighted by Masonic TV producer, Cris Carter...the whole assassination is in taht episode...Get your hands on a copy of that episode...it is all there....dozens of eyewitnesses reported seeing this but they are all dead thanks to Arlen Spector...These people hide the truth in plain sight....The same Chris Carter gave you 911 6 months before it happened....He called the show the Lone Gunman....that is a masonic Joke....because everybody knows what "The Lone Gunman" really means...It means "Patsy"....

That is why Lee Harvey Oswald...as he is being escorted through Dallas Police Station...is not nervous, he isn't scared, the only thing that comes out of his mouth is..."Im Just a Patsy"......The Mob always kills the Patsy cuz Patsies talk...but dead Patsies dont...and sure enough Ruby walks in and murders him in cold blood....The Mafia is a Masonic Intelligence Agency...thats all it is....

This Chris Carter guy works for Fox TV...the network of the Bush Administration...and he just happens to make an X Files episode showing you where the kill shots came from...then turns around and just happens to predict the 911 disaster by 6 months...coincidence...not bloody likely..

2 - Do some home work on Zapruder, Spector and most of the key players in the Assassination...their all Masons...The whole damn warren commission...were Masons...Gerald Ford belonged to so many masonic groups, that you needed a computer to keep track of them...watch his funeral...christ...there was a maltese cross all over the Floor during his mass...that refers to the Order of Malta...Vatican Masonic Group...this stuff is old news...

3 - The Vatican connection has been done to death....take a look at Eric Phelps work on the subject....When you are talking about the CIA/Mafia/Mossad/MI-6...you are really referring to the Vatican who control all of them.....nobody but nobody has the power to kill a President without getting it authorized by the Jesuit who work out of the Vatican....

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

4 - Fascist control of the United States should be obvious to anybody as there are two Fasci's sitting side by side one another in the US Congress...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8qPXK8RKDI

5 - There were Grassy Knoll Shooters as the dozens of eyewitnesses are seen running toward the Knoll in the video...but those shooters were diversionary....they were firing blanks shooting randomly into the air...they were several teams of shooters....the main ones where in the Sewer...the only place a clear shot could be taken from....

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 10:35 AM
Oswald was not the shooter....he knew of the plan...as he was CIA himself as well as an FBI snitch... What he did not know was that he was being set up from the very beginning...Much of it started with John Kerrys Father who was Naval Inteligence & worked at the Justice Department hiring Oswalds Baby Sitter so that Oswald could work during the day at the infamous School Book Depository Building...this is the reason a Young John Kerry at the time would prance around Yale campus bragging that he was going to be President one day....even referring to himself as "JFK"......

Remember, it was 3 years later in 1966...that Kerry became a Bonesman....Anybody who contributed to the Assassination of JFK was rewarded financially & professionally...and their children were promised the same rewards...like this man.......


Charles Voyde Harrelson (July 23, 1938 – March 15, 2007[1][2]) was an American freelance hitman connected with organized crime and was convicted of assassinating a federal judge. He was the father of actor Woody Harrelson[1].

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/21/har....ap/index.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2d/Harrelson.jpg/225px-Harrelson.jpg

Harrelson was tried for the 1968 killing of Sam Degilia in Edinburg, Texas. The trial ended in a hung jury: 11 for conviction, one for acquittal … Harrelson was retried in 1974 … Harrelson was found guilty and sentenced to 15 years in prison. With time off for good behavior, he was free in five years.
Harrelson has declared that he was involved in John F. Kennedy's assassination. Some think he was one of the three tramps photographed after being arrested on November 22, 1963 in a boxcar in the railyard near Dealey Plaza. Harrelson's arresting officer, Marvin L. Wise, claims that the three men in his custody were released after a few hours of questioning.

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 10:37 AM
something to marinate on


One of the main reasons President Kennedy was Assassinated in the way that he was....... was to traumatise the American People and the world public by subconsciously programming them to limit their conscious awareness in the 3rd dimension by shutting down their DNA......

Let me explain Russian scientists have recently discovered that our DNA can be ‘influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies.’........” The Russian scientists and linguists have found that the genetic code ‘follows the same rules as all our human languages.’ In effect, human language did not appear coincidentally but is a reflection of our DNA."


We are vibrational beings so the vibration frequency of words and numbers can have a great effect on our conscious awareness depending on how we perceive them.......

President Kennedy was assassinated on 22/11/1963 at 12:30 on Elm St with a $12 bolt-action rifle... so we are lead to believe by the official story!!...First of all the name Kennedy has a vibration frequency of 33, the time 12:30 reduces to 3,3 (i.e. 1 + 2 = 3 and 3 + 0 = 3). Elm St has a vibration of 3, 3 and the $12 rifle reduces to a vibration of 3.

The vibration frequency of the number 11 is connected to the light vibration and this vibration is the nearest balanced vibration to the stillness of the oneness........ the number 22 is also a vibration of balance and is a harmonic of the vibration 11 as are all double-digit numbers....... i.e... 33, 44,...... etc. The registration plate on the car that Kennedy was travelling in was......GG 300.......G is the 7th letter of the alphabet so vibrationally this gives us 77 and we have the number 3 which is vibrationally connected to the female energy that “The Powers That Be” are continually attaching negativity to in an attempt throw us out of balance and thus limit our conscious awareness in the 3rd dimension of duality......

Kennedy = 33
12:30 = 3, 3
Elm = 3
St = 3
$12 = 3

This event had a massive negative effect on the subconscious minds of the whole world and the 3rd dimension that we live in.......Dealey Plaza is full of esoteric symbolism and is located on a Earth energy line the word ‘Dealey’ means ‘goddess line’ so President Kennedy was murdered on a female Earth Energy line.....This site was deliberately chosen by “The Powers That Be” because of the negative effect it would have on the female Earth energy and thus the balance and harmony of the Planet Earth.......

the vibration of the names of the people, the places, the times and any thing else attached to the negative event are all important its all to do with the their vibration frequency ....... these female vibration frequencies with their negative attachment (The Assassination) would have been repeated on T.V. news reports and in news papers all over the world millions of times over and over.......programming the minds and the DNA of the world populace......... throwing us and the Earth out of balance which cuts us off from the higher vibrations and thus limits our collective conscious awareness which stops us seeing behind the false reality “The Powers That Be” have created for us.......

Urban_Journalz
11-23-2010, 11:18 AM
Someone actually agrees with common sense and their own eyes. Cool. 911 is complicated completely while Greer killing Kennedy is stupid easy, as far as reaching a conclusion.

True indeed. The fact that it takes a bit more digging keeps people from even searching for the truth of the matter at all. Let alone actually changing thier programming. It's sick though, I've gone on YouTube and seen 3 chapters of "Loose Change" and that shit will just leave your jaw on the floor. For real, it's the kind of movie that I would make mad copies of and just hand them to people. Leave them in mail boxes, at libraries, etc.

Fatal Guillotine
11-23-2010, 11:38 AM
loose change is a dope doc

7forever
11-23-2010, 05:48 PM
True indeed. The fact that it takes a bit more digging keeps people from even searching for the truth of the matter at all. Let alone actually changing thier programming. It's sick though, I've gone on YouTube and seen 3 chapters of "Loose Change" and that shit will just leave your jaw on the floor. For real, it's the kind of movie that I would make mad copies of and just hand them to people. Leave them in mail boxes, at libraries, etc.

I need to see that. Do you agree with me on jfk being easy and 911 being complicated? Cover-up, yes but proving a conclusion may be hard.

p-rok73
11-23-2010, 07:41 PM
I read a book called "The Ultimate Sacrifice" that mainly makes the argument that JFK was killed by the Mafia. They had 3 plans to kill JFK. The first was in Chicago, after finding out, the trip was cancelled. The second was in Tampa Bay, which the Mob cancelled. The third time was Dallas. The authors got their info/material from released government files. It's a long & complex book (700 pages). They make a good argument but it's just a theory. The sequel called "Legacy of Assassination" deals with JFK/RFK/MLK. I don't know the truth but then why would the government have more than 1 million files kept unreleased if they feel they have a slam dunk case. Either way RIP JFK.

John Prewett
11-24-2010, 05:06 AM
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http://vladbad.blog.kataweb.it/vladbad_news_center/images/jfk_rfk_b_jpg.jpg


.. Easy enough .. Who do you think killed JFK & RFK & why? ..

Anyone care to account for the following testimony from three young [at the time] men who were there:

From: http://www.jfklancer.com/catalog/law/witnesses.html

IN THE EYE OF HISTORY: THE WITNESSES

Dennis David describes observing the arrival at Bethesda Naval Hospital
of the navy ambulance carrying Jackie Kennedy with the official casket
purportedly carrying the presidents body -- some time after he had
supervised the unloading of a shipping casket that he'd been told contained
the body of the president.

Autopsy technician Paul O'Connor helped remove the president's body --
he recalls that it was in a body bag -- from a shipping casket; this contrasts
with the placement of the president's body in an ornate casket in Dallas,
after wrapping only in sheets and towels.

X-ray technician Jerrol Custer recalls seeing Mrs. Kennedy enter the Naval
Hospital, having just arrived with her husband's body -- yet Custer was on his
way to the darkroom to develop X-ray plates already taken of the
president's corpse.


O'connor and Custer testimony also in "Best Evidence" by David Lifton
I don't recall if D.David testimony is in that book.

Question: When the Dallas casket was being wheeled out of the Dallas hospital,
how many people had first hand knowledge of what [if anything] was in that casket ?

Sense-A
11-24-2010, 06:24 AM
George W Bush

7forever
11-24-2010, 12:52 PM
Austin Miller's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm#list

(Miller was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BELIN - Well, describe what happened. Did you see the motorcade come by?
Mr. MILLER - Yes sir; it came down main street and turned north on Houston Street and went over two blocks and turned left on Elm Street. Got about halfway down the hill going toward the underpass and that is when as I recall the first shot was fired.
Mr. BELIN - Did you know it was a shot when you heard it?
Mr. MILLER - I didn't know it. I thought at first the motorcycle backfiring or somebody throwed some firecrackers out.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you hear or see?
Mr. MILLER - After the first one, just a few seconds later, there was two more shots fired, or sounded like a sound at the time. I don't know for sure. And it was after that I saw some man in the car fall forward, and a women next to him grab him and hollered, and just what, I don't know exactly what she said.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you see?
Mr. MILLER - About that time I turned to look toward the - there is a little plaza sitting on the hill. I looked over there to see if anything was there, who through the firecracker or whatever it was, or see if anything was up there, and there wasn't nobody standing there, so I stepped back and looked at the tracks to see if anybody run across the railroad tracks, and there was nobody running across the railroad tracks. So I turned right straight back just in time to see the convertible take off fast.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.
Mr. BELIN - Is there anything else that you can think of that you saw?
Mr. MILLER - About the time I looked over to the side there, there was a police officer. No; a motorcycle running his motor under against the curb, and jumped off and come up to the hill toward the top and right behind him was some more officers and plainclothesmen, too.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone that might be, that gave any suspicious movements of any kind over there?
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone when you looked around on the railroad tracks, that you hadn't seen before
Mr. MILLER - No, sir; I didn't.

Fatal Guillotine
11-24-2010, 12:54 PM
^^good post

TheBoarzHeadBoy
11-24-2010, 06:46 PM
Corsican Mafia did the hit. Most likely under the instructions of either American Mafia or a faction within the government. Odds are none of the big players we'd expect were involved. It was probably a personal matter. JFK had a list of enemies as long as your arm. It comes with the territory of being a pragmatic bad ass.

Oswald was a Triple Agent working for the US for the Russians for the US for the Russians for the US...

Nick Fury
11-25-2010, 07:15 PM
President Kennedy was by far the best leader


no he wasn't

Fatal Guillotine
11-25-2010, 07:18 PM
no he wasn't

opinion

Nick Fury
11-25-2010, 07:20 PM
Castro, Russians, CIA, and "them". Oswald was jus a pawn.....




......damn I could sworn I saw a red dot on my cock, hold up someone's knockin on my door, BRB.....


add to list :

exteme right wingers
pro manifest destiny christian fanatics
disgruntled CIA trained cuban exiles

Nick Fury
11-25-2010, 07:22 PM
opinion

research his foriegn policy for latin america

7forever
11-26-2010, 10:54 AM
^^good post

Thanks, for the kudos.

Paranoid
11-26-2010, 11:33 AM
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pro.Graveface
11-26-2010, 01:43 PM
I dont trust those cooperz

John Prewett
11-30-2010, 07:57 AM
Anyone care to account for the following testimony from three young [at the time] men who were there:

From: http://www.jfklancer.com/catalog/law/witnesses.html

IN THE EYE OF HISTORY: THE WITNESSES

Dennis David describes observing the arrival at Bethesda Naval Hospital
of the navy ambulance carrying Jackie Kennedy with the official casket
purportedly carrying the presidents body -- some time after he had
supervised the unloading of a shipping casket that he'd been told contained
the body of the president.

Autopsy technician Paul O'Connor helped remove the president's body --
he recalls that it was in a body bag -- from a shipping casket; this contrasts
with the placement of the president's body in an ornate casket in Dallas,
after wrapping only in sheets and towels.

X-ray technician Jerrol Custer recalls seeing Mrs. Kennedy enter the Naval
Hospital, having just arrived with her husband's body -- yet Custer was on his
way to the darkroom to develop X-ray plates already taken of the
president's corpse.


O'connor and Custer testimony also in "Best Evidence" by David Lifton
I don't recall if D.David testimony is in that book.

Question: When the Dallas casket was being wheeled out of the Dallas hospital,
how many people had first hand knowledge of what [if anything] was in that casket ?


JFK was/is the supremely blessed by Satan.

JFK is physically alive.

JFK will publicly reappear, amaze the world and rule this world for 42 months.

H.Kissinger [to who 666 refers] will be his head cheerleader.

TheBoarzHeadBoy
11-30-2010, 05:18 PM
JFK was/is the supremely blessed by Satan.

JFK is physically alive.

JFK will publicly reappear, amaze the world and rule this world for 42 months.

H.Kissinger [to who 666 refers] will be his head cheerleader.

*Swallows the Cyanide*

7forever
12-04-2010, 03:51 PM
Mocking an entire generation of baby boomers whose 47 year reign on covering up Jfk's real assassin has ended

Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill
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Over the past 24 hours a certain Robert Hanson was successful in penetrating the Deep Politics Forum with the obvious truth about the driver killing Kennedy and I banned him because the truth raped my soul so I used my power to censor the truth that has been known by Fetzer, Groden and hundreds of other researchers for decades.

In doing so, Hanson hosted a most enlightening workshop in the craft of sleuthing.

About a half-hour ago I discovered Hanson's blog, "The Driver Killed Kennedy." It seems to have been created on November 19 of this year.

From his blog there is his thread titled "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back."

In classic sleuthing style, Hanson cites a lengthy segment of Hill's WC testimony given to Arlen Specter so as to A) demonstrate his own familiarity with the record, and B) appeal to reading comprehension and general Kennedy sleuthing.

In essence, Hill states that she simply saw the Secret Service shooting back which is totally obvious to everyone looking at Greer's left arm crossing his right shoulder in the nix film. SHE STATES THAT SHE SAW THE SS SHOOT BACK AND SHE CLEARLY STATES THAT SHE HEARD GUNFIRE FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL. This, in the real world is called corroboration. Greer is the only ss agent who shot back, so she could not have meant anyone else.
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Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."

Hanson is TELLING THE TRUTH when he states that "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back,"

It's that simple.

I believe that he is TELLING TRUTH BUT AM REALLY AFRAID TO ADMIT IT.

Here's what Hill told Specter -- as published by Hanson on his own blog:

Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?

Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.

Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?

Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.

Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?

Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.
Specter was trying to make her sound crazy but she was simply describing the confusion of gunshots coming from all directions. She saw Greer shoot back and she heard what she thought were multiple shots from the knoll although there was only one fired immediately after Greer shot Kennedy to provide a distraction for Greer. The last shot arguably did come from the north knoll but was was fired to only confuse people as to who shot Kennedy. Without the last shot that followed Greer's, people would have thrown their hands up like the agents did after Roberts called them off jfk's limo. It was a dummie shot to confuse and give witnesses an alternative account for where the fatal shot really came from, the ss agent driving Kennedy's limo.

Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?

Mrs. HILL - Yes.

Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?

Mrs. HILL - That's right.

Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?

Mrs. HILL - No.

What could have prompted Hill to conclude that the SS was shooting in Dealey Plaza? Because she was looking right at Greer when he shot back at jfk's forehead.
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Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."
Mrs. Hill - ... I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know[.]

In point of FACT:

Hill offers eyewitness evidence for a Greer Shot.

Hill offers compelling ear witness testimony for a Grassy Knoll shot which is the red herring promoted by Hollywood and disinfo clowns like Groden and Fetzer.

And so we're left with this:

For the third time, Hanson is TELLING THE TRUTH when he states that "Jean Hill saw Greer shoot back." I see no other viable interpretations for his obvious claim.

It's that simple.

Expect more of this sort of truth movement as we move closer to the 50th anniversary of the Dealey Plaza coup d'etat. I am afraid but I know just beneath the surface that Greer killed Kennedy.
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7forever
12-06-2010, 12:08 PM
Listen, I was being a dick about this last night. and upon further review you've actually got research to back up most of what you say. I still disagree with you're conclusion.

The thing about the "mist" just isn't true. Many times when people get shot that exact same thing happens. It depends a lot on the caliber being used and the ballistics of that particular bullet, but you claiming it's impossible is false.
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Urban_Journalz
12-06-2010, 02:59 PM
I need to see that. Do you agree with me on jfk being easy and 911 being complicated? Cover-up, yes but proving a conclusion may be hard.

I say yes, because of the fact that JFK's Assassination is easier to figure out, in terms of, "why". As for the World Trade Center, it's part of a much, MUCH bigger conspiracy. Honestly, I believe that 9-11 and Obama's election are both what you might call, "Final Pushes" in the eventual One World Government establishment. "The Obama Deception" is a fantastic documentary btw. I've only seen a little bit of it, but it is a MUST see.

7forever
12-07-2010, 12:57 PM
I say yes, because of the fact that JFK's Assassination is easier to figure out, in terms of, "why". As for the World Trade Center, it's part of a much, MUCH bigger conspiracy. Honestly, I believe that 9-11 and Obama's election are both what you might call, "Final Pushes" in the eventual One World Government establishment. "The Obama Deception" is a fantastic documentary btw. I've only seen a little bit of it, but it is a MUST see.

Good post. Jfk/driver would be like a forty year old sitting through third grade again and 911, like requiring an average high school kid to score an A in calculus.

7forever
12-22-2010, 08:00 AM
The mist is fake and no person on this planet can prove that fake red blotch has ever happened except in the altered zapruder film. This idiot gets shot right in the face just like Kennedy did and there is nothing but distortion after impact. NO BLOOD FLOWS AT THE MOMENT OF IMPACT. The zfilm has the mist forming before the shot to hide the shot coming from Greer.
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7forever
01-23-2011, 11:11 AM
WATCH THIS GIF...WATCH HIS RIGHT HAND MOVE TO HIS LEFT.
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THE ONLY STORY left to tell is what I've posted in this thread, destroying the movie and an industry full of LYING conspiracy authors who are ironically the most responsible for keeping the truth from the masses.
GREAT GIF showing his right to left movement. Keep your eyes through the windshield.
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FRAME 278 is the last clear view of the fitted gun in Greer's left hand. Logic dictates that Greer would not have put his hand back on the wheel only 2 seconds before he was gonna shoot Kennedy. It's common sense that he moved the gun from lower position in a similar way to resting it on his chest, so all he had to do was raise, straighten and shoot over the seatback. There was no wild motion, flailing of the gun. The gun was rested near his right collarbone before he turned the second time at frame 302 to shoot.
FRAME 278- You can see the fitted gun from frames 242-278 except 64/65 because of the lamp post.
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PALEFORCE
01-23-2011, 11:56 AM
CIAlliens

Paranoid
01-23-2011, 12:01 PM
I dont trust those cooperz

but if you trust your eyes you'll see the driver holding a gun

7forever
02-13-2011, 09:49 PM
lol 7forever, the drive is not the shooter. look at the clips you posted carefully. Notice the drivers LEFT hand is on the steering wheel. HTF does he shoot kennedy with his right hand.

What you are seeing the the sun shining on the greasy hair of the passenger not a silver pistol. The sun is even shining off the greasy hair of the driver. Back then it was common for men to grease their hair. I remember my dad using Brylcreem back in the day.

And Rodin, lol, come on man, do you seriously believe Jacky killed her husband.

lol Phantom, the driver is the shooter, always was and always will be. Look at the clips I posted carefully. Notice the driver's LEFT hand is passing the gun to his right hand before he turns the first time.
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What you are seeing is a fake blob of white created by a 1963 goon squad.LOL Real hair reflections do not recoil at the exact moment a president is being shot by his driver unless the driver shot that president, which Greer clearly and obviously did. It even separates from Roy's head.LOL
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7forever
02-14-2011, 08:40 AM
you're misreading the video evidence. bullet smoke trails emit from the barrel of the gun, not the target. the target emits fragments of bone, brain and blood. the fragment evidence shows the exit point, not the entrance point. it shows an exit point consistent with a bullet that originated from jackies position.

You're misreading the video evidence and real life. Clear bullet smoke emits when it hits its target. The bullet struck jfk in the right forehead emitting smoke at that point. Mussolini was executed with a shot to the back of the head and smoke emits from that point. You don't know what you're talking about in the least.
Kennedy shot from the front by the driver, William Greer.
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http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/nixx_o_GIFSoupcom.gif
A man shot in the face with smoke at entrance.
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Mussolini shot in back of head in the mid 40's.
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CASE CLOSED

7forever
03-28-2011, 06:11 PM
The back of jfk's head opens up after 312 but before 313.
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JASPER BEARDLY
03-28-2011, 10:07 PM
and these gifs are not altered? they do show exactly what you say they do

Robert
03-29-2011, 12:31 AM
Your eyes see what the mind wants it to see. What you circle as being a gun is light illuminating the passenger's head as the car moves out the shadows.

It's taken me a while to realize it but trying to figure out all those mysteries, JFK, MLK, RFK, 9/11..... all that shit is a waste of your time. Be skeptical of anything the national news perpetuates or whatever, trust no one, but damn it all, spend your time doing what YOU want to do with your life, work hard, get money and build your own world. Everything else is a frivolous waste.

Peace to that.

LONDON!
03-29-2011, 12:51 PM
..
http://vladbad.blog.kataweb.it/vladbad_news_center/images/jfk_rfk_b_jpg.jpg


.. Easy enough .. Who do you think killed JFK & RFK & why? ..

a lot of people believe JFK was killed because he threatened the military/industrial/intellegence complex, he had stepped on a lot of toes, an his assassination was payback for this

1.He had pulled the greenlight on air support for the invasion of Cuba, by CIA trained an sponsored paramilitarys, an fired a lot of old guard CIA mudda fuckers an was also going to shutdown the CIA an rearrage it into sumthin else

2.He was also going to leave an pull out of Vietnam a lot earlier than the military an right wing hawks in the goverment wanted

3.He was going to increase the taxes on a oil depletion allowance that would have affected the oil bizness an cut into profits from two millionaire right wing Texan oilmen Clint Murchinson & Haroldson L Hunt who were good friends wit Lyndon Baines Johnson an J Edgar Hoover

4.JFK an RFK(JFK's brother who was the US attorney general)were going to drop Lyndon B Johnson as vice president an prosecute him an send him to prison for the Bobby Baker scandal

A lot of people think that its the number 4 reason which was the final straw that broke the camels back, an put into place the other factors, the actual paper trail of the actual assassination, a lot of people think Lyndon B Johnson pressed the button, okayed the green light for it to happen, he made it happen, you see what I'm saying

Lyndon Baines Johnson was a well known corrupt politician, he is implicated in the murders of other people through Billy Sol Estes to Cliff Carter to Mac Wallace.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a fall guy for the conspiracy, he was a secret US intellegence officer who knew an worked wit a lot of the conspirators like Clay Shaw(CIA) an David Ferrie(a pilot trainer for the failed Cuban paramilitary who invaded Cuba in 1960/61)

A lot of people think these were the people involved in the assassination of JFK, CIA people from the JM/Wave station in Florida, which was one of the planning stations for the invasion of Cuba an the failed assassinations of Fidel Castro, people like William K Harvey, Carl E. Jenkins, Rafael Quintero, William Pawley, Roy Hargraves, Edwin Collins, Steve Wilson, Herminio Diaz Garcia, Tony Cuesta, Eugenio Martinez, Virgilio Gonzalez, Felipe Vidal Santiago, Theodore Shackley, Grayston Lynch, David Morales, Felix Rodriguez, Thomas Clines, Gordon Campbell, Tony Sforza and William 'Rip' Robertson.

Also E Howard Hunt(CIA)an others in conjuction wit the CIA like the Chicago mob who hired out the French Corsican mob to help out like Antoine Guerini an Lucien Sarti(both these people are dead, I'm not speaking on street guys that are still alive, only on system mudda fuckers an people that are dead already)to do the killing, also in line wit another hitteam Chicago mobsters Johnny Roselli an Charles "Chuckie" Nicoletti Former hitman James Files has claimed that he, Roselli and Charles "Chuckie" Nicoletti alongside James Fire(an CIA hitman

Theirs others, but these are the main conspirators

David Morales a CIA agent was seen at the hotel RFK was at along wit another CIA agent i can't remember the name of at the moment, even though rfk didn't get any CIA security and the CIA denied they were there and the trajectory of the bullets that hit rfk from sirhan's gun was a frame up, theirs was more than one shooter and sirhan's bullets couldn't have hit rfk, sirhan was another known CIA agent fall guy, all this shit was covered up by the lapd

7forever
03-29-2011, 07:46 PM
You can literally see skull detaching from his rear skull. Also, notice as his goes back you can see the white lane through the back of his head.LOL
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7forever
03-29-2011, 07:47 PM
and these gifs are not altered? they do show exactly what you say they do

I didn't alter the film, just made the gifs.

7forever
04-06-2011, 12:17 PM
So you cant explain it is the answer you're giving then?

You can't explain how JFK's head defy's physics by lurching forwards when the bullet impact hits. Instead you put your fingers in your ears, stamp your feet and act like a child. Name calling and using insults rather than debating the theories are how you want to go about things.

You can't explain how JFK's head 'could' defy physics by lurching forward when the bullet impact hits, then stops and changes direction, violently backwards.LOL You can't explain it because it's not possible and has never happened. Instead you put your fingers in your ears, stamp your feet and act like a child. Show us one headshot that shows what you are lying about. Goes forward, stops, then violently backward. You are a pathetic troll with nothing but bullshit. This man's head and body go forward from the shot to the back of the head. If jfk had been shot from the rear he would have went forward. These stupid posts of yours make you an idiot...Congrats.
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diggy
04-06-2011, 12:34 PM
Don't you guys get it? The video was tampered with. Therefore evidence based on the video cannot be conclusive.

7forever
04-08-2011, 11:11 AM
How do we know that it wasnt the nix film that was altered?

Also didnt mrs Hill say later in her statement that she thought she heard the shots coming from the grassy knoll? and she saw a man in brown that she assumed to be jack Ruby running away? (to be honest i just flicked through her statement and just picked up on a few bits).

Another question are you saying greer killed kennedy deliberately or accidently?

How do we know the sky isn't green on a sunny day? Because we know it's blue. Greer passing the gun before he turned the first time demonstrates premeditation. They wanted to shoot jfk up close and used Greer to insure success.
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7forever
04-09-2011, 08:41 AM
Here's a low resolution gif of the 'gun'...the driver's hand is at the right - you can even see his tie - so HOW can his hand (at the side) be crossing over his chest with a gun?
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The gun is a light reflection.

No, you are trolling. Greer passes the gun in Zapruder and his left arm crosses over in Nix. The driver killed Kennedy beyond any and all doubt.
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7forever
04-11-2011, 09:54 AM
The great fake reflection footage that started it all in 7-09.

-The fake blob recoils and separates from Roy's head when Greer fires revolver.
-The fake hand coming off wheel begins with 2 dots.
-They both make eye contact after turning back straight.
-Kellerman raises hand signaling that Greer's gonna shoot back.
-The white lane (by driver's door) comes into focus just in time to blend in with the fake grey streak which mirrored Greer's arm crossing that's seen in the nix film.
-The fake grey streak is over his shoulder first and then across when it's needed.
-The fake forehead reflection replacing Greer's hand is the only one that cannot be independently proven fake without the nix film or other evidence.
-Kellerman moves his head forward, backward and forward again in 1 second in an attempt to block the gun's view from the north side of Elm street.
-Watch the driver's door when Greer turns to shoot back. Something appears beneath the white lane which is very likely the curb.
-Watch the top of Greer's head after he shoots jfk. He still had a reflection, so they darkened it to distract from the silly fakery on Roy's head.
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Greer's arm crosses in nix, confirming the logical reasons for Zapruder film fakery.
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YouTube - Jfk Assassination the limo driver theory Debunked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jis_ZFspfY)

7forever
04-15-2011, 01:00 PM
Greer's left arm crossing in the Nix film and the fake reflection in Zapruder are in perfect sync with the headshot.
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FRAMES 312-313
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CASE CLOSED

7forever
04-21-2011, 09:47 AM
Do you feel that even a .45 caliber pistol, even at close range, would be capable of causing the head wound suffered by JFK?

You posted several witnesses before who claimed to have seen a gun in the car (including a rifle) or who claimed that the sound of the shots seemed to have come from the car, or who thought they saw 'firecrackers' going off in the car. Did anyone claim to have seen the driver shoot JFK?

Yes, everyone whose seen the nix film close-up has seen Greer kill jfk. The damage is exaggerated in Zapruder. The red blotch is fake on the right side. The back of his head opens up at the moment of front right impact.
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The rear skull detaches between 313-314.
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7forever
04-25-2011, 10:16 AM
There is zero evidence of any exit on the right side or front. There is no evidence which holds up to scrutiny that supports a right side entrance because it would've exited the left side not right rear. The grassy knoll is a clever red herring that was easily debunked by simple geometry. The rear skull opens up at the moment of front right impact.

This is just before 313. The top and bottom of the skull is distinguishable with the hole in between.
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FRAME 313 is more difficult to decipher the top of the skull but the same thing appears and the zoom makes it clear. There appears to be a tail at the bottom break in the skull, which confuses things without the zoom.
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7forever
05-19-2011, 05:06 PM
During the alteration of Zapruder they compressed the impact and the rear skull gape into one frame and did their best to hide skull detaching in between subsequent frames.

312, no gape.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/312801gape.jpg
313, complete rear gape.
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/801gape.jpg
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Soul Controller
05-20-2011, 05:08 AM
7/7 seeds of deconstruction covers this really well..

7forever
05-20-2011, 04:47 PM
You can't have a gaping hole without something being ejected!

Connally described being sprayed with a clear liquid which is something more logical than some fake red blotch. It's also not likely that fluid would show up in these old films but the back of his head popping off would, especially if t opens up just the way it does in Zapruder. These are in sequential order with the first being just before 313, showing the perfect gape up close. Jfk's skull did what it logically had to do with the right rear exit wound he suffered. The back of his head was blown off just like forty witnesses saw with their own eyes, including Clint Hill, Jackie, and Jfk's killer, Bill Greer.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/335gape.jpg
Between 313-314
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http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfkdetach.jpg
THE WHOLE REAR POPS OFF AFTER IMPACT.
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7forever
05-21-2011, 05:32 PM
Amazon.com: Tyler Newcomb's review of Murder from within (http://www.amazon.com/review/R3AHHASKGO9EEP/ref=cm_cd_pg_pg1?ie=UTF8&cdPage=1&asin=B0006CMCB2&store=books#wasThisHelpful?tag=survivaldiscu-20)

Posted on Nov. 9, 2010 2:24 AM PST
Maskmaker says:
Tyler, years ago I found a jpg of a newspaper clip from the Chicago sun times, dated Sat., Nov 23, 1963, and not only is Senator Yarborough quoted as saying he smelled gun powder on LBJ's limo nearly all the way to the hospital, he is quoted as saying that the 3rd shot may have been from a Secret Service man returning fire! Can't wait to get my hands on this book after all these years, & hopefully, the DVD! All the evidence points towards Greer taking the final shot.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov. 9, 2010 2:41 AM PST
Tyler Newcomb says:
Yes I have a very faded copy of that. If you still have it I'd like to see if it's better than mine to find a way to put it in the book. Thanks

A Murder Within was self published in 1974.

Look on the right side, under 'beats fists against car'. It's the second sentence.

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diggy
05-21-2011, 06:31 PM
I'm amazed that some of you are still doing a blurry video analysis of the shooting on wucorp like you could ever come to a definitive conclusion based on THAT video. Not only that though - but it is common knowledge that videos of the shooting were tampered with. Are you guys trying to determine who the shooter is based on tampered video?

7forever
05-22-2011, 06:07 PM
Dr. Humes described the mess at the top as dislodged scalp. He also down played the entrance over the right eye as a contusion. Some theorists said jfk went somewhere in between Parkland and Bethesda. If so, some type of debridement may have taken place to cover the wound. This area is still visible and metal fragments were recovered behind the right eye and showed up in x-rays.

The right rear is clearly missing here and many witnesses saw jfk the way he lies here. He didn't have to be on his stomach because the hole was on the right rear. Notice the small flap on the right side compared to that fake mess in Zapruder.
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A better view of rear gape and compare the dislodged scalp. It's similar.
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7forever
05-28-2011, 01:38 PM
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Debra Conway
JFK Lancer Productions & Publications
332 N.E.5th Street
Grand Prairie, TX 75050
Phone: 817-488-0978
Email: debra@jfklancer.com
Web: http://jfklancer.com


Warren Commission Suppressed Jackie's
Testimony On JFK's Head Wound

Court Reporter's Tape Shows
Additional Description Withheld


Dallas, TX -- August 5, 2001 -- JFK Lancer, an historical research firm reports that the Court Reporter's tape shows Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony before the Warren Commission had additional descriptions which were withheld.
Mrs. Kennedy testified in a short private session held at her home in Washington, D.C., with Chief Justice Earl Warren, Commission General Council J. Lee Rankin, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and a court reporter in attendance. Testimony of witnesses before the Warren Commission was made public in the fall of 1964. Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony was also released containing her description of her husbands wounds which read :

"And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything."

But a second section in which she described the wounds she saw carried only the notation: (Reference to Wounds Deleted).
Although very few Americans actually read those transcripts, historians and researchers who did read them were outraged, and waged a legal battle to have the omitted testimony released. In the early 1970s, a court decision required the United States Government to disclose to the public the contents of the still classified section of Mrs. Kennedy's 1964 Warren Commission testimony. Her previously withheld statement read:

" I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --- I suppose there must have been.

But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on."

Releasing this previously withheld section gave researchers what was assumed to be Mrs. Kennedy's complete description of the President's head wounds. Researchers took for granted that the hand-typed transcript page released by the National Archives from the official records of the Warren Commission ended the matter.

However, new analysis reveals that the original court tape actually reads:

"... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top."

Filmmaker Mark Sobel found the discrepancy while doing research for a forthcoming documentary on JFK. Sobel explained, "I was quite surprised to find that Mrs. Kennedy was not asked for more detail --- she had an opportunity to view the wounds longer and closer than any other person as they originally existed. Given the seemingly contradictory testimony by the doctors who treated the President at Parkland Hospital in Dallas just after the shooting and the Doctors who performed the autopsy at Bethesda many hours later, Mrs. Kennedy's testimony would appear critical."
Sobel filed under the Freedom of Information Act to have the court reporter's original tape of Mrs. Kennedy's testimony unsealed, citing that the content had already been fully declassified by the courts and that it was in the best interest of the public for the accuracy of the existing transcript to be verified. Sobel explained, "As I compared the 1964 transcript to the original court reporter's paper tape, I reached a sentence officially transcribed by the Warren Commission as: "I could see a piece of his skull, and I remember that it was flesh colored"words on the original paper taped no longer matched up."
Court Reporter Kathy Bradford of Bradford Court Reporting of Dallas, Texas, agreed. Bradford reviewed the transcript from the archives and certified Mrs. Kennedy's complete statement was not found in the Warren Commission's version..

This extra description was almost certainly witheld from the Commissioners and Legal Staff as well, since these descriptions are missing in the typed transcript that is contained in the actual Warren Commission Records --- before it was finally released publicly in its entirety.

Apprised of these new details, David Mantik, M.D., Ph.D. stated, "Given the lack of follow-up in Mrs. Kennedy's description to exactly what she saw, these details could have been valuable to the House Select Committee on Assassinations that reviewed the medical evidence." Mantik is one of the few doctors allowed to view President Kennedy's original autopsy materials in the National Archives.
Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, seen in films and photos in Dealey Plaza climbing onto the rear of the limousine, stated in his Warren Commission testimony,
"Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car."
Debra Conway of JFK Lancer, says that the court reporter's tape is now on their web site. Conway stated, "Mrs. Kennedy also describes this piece of skull to historian Theodore White in her famous 'Camelot' interview where she told him, 'I could see a piece of his skull coming off; it was flesh colored not white--' This is very similar to what she said to the Warren Commission."
Conway went on to explain, "There were pieces of skull found in the street and in the limousine. The piece of skull described by Mrs. Kennedy could have been one of those later found in the street, the limousine, or an avulsed piece still attached to his head."
Researcher Barb Junkkarinen, who specializes in the medical evidence of the Kennedy assassination and is the Director of the JFK Alliance for Open Archives organization, told JFK Lancer, "The real 'find' here is that two specific descriptions of the head wound by Mrs. Kennedy (that the skull piece was wedge shaped, and that it had little ridges at the top) are not included in what is supposed to be the full and complete transcript of her testimony."
In his memoirs, Senator Arlen Specter, a Junior Council for the Warren Commission in 1964, suggests that the minimal testimony taken from Mrs. Kennedy was due to Earl Warren wishing to be protective of her, and that the handling of her testimony created some distress among other Commissioners and Legal Staff. However, in formerly Top Secret transcripts of the meetings of the seven Commissioners, Commissioner John J. McCloy repeatedly emphasized the importance of obtaining such testimony as quickly as possible "She's the best witness," he said "as to how those bullets struck her husband."

Junkkarinen adds, "Why they would withhold an accurate description is open to debate, but the fact that they put out an altered transcript is telling. How many other transcripts may have fallen victim to the same shenanigans? This is a find that proves alteration of original evidence, and that is important.
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FRAME 337 SHOWING REAR GAPE AND JACKIE'S SHOCK.
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7forever
07-07-2011, 11:09 AM
The Zapruder, Nix, and Muchmore films have always proven Jfk's real assassin was the driver, William Greer
The silly goon who shot jfk is on the right, the passenger in the middle.
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The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the nix and muchmore films needed to be examined closer and compared to Zapruder and that someone turned out to be me.
Dailymotion - jfk assassination films-orville nix - a News & Politics video (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news)

The Nix film close-up shows Greer's left arm crossing his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. The fakery in Zapruder and Greer's arm crossing in both other films are in perfect sync with the headshot.

I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but didn't bother with the nix film.
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Greer passes the gun in Z and his left hand goes missing because the film pans upward. There is no evidence in Zapruder that his left hand ever returned to the wheel. At least a few researchers have outright lied about Greer's hands not leaving the wheel when it's crystal clear in the frames.
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Zapruder clearly shows the cartoon additions that are Greer's hand, arm, and gun forming and moving toward jfk when he shot Kennedy. The fake reflection recoils like a gun when the gun discharges and it separates from the passenger's head furthing proving it an obvious fake.
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The muchmore film was purposely distorted and blurred but the clear copy can be found which shows his left arm extending downward after he shot jfk.

Watch his left/arm elbow coming down after the shot. There's an obstructed view running forward but all that has to be done is start from the end and run forward again when it comes down.
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7forever
07-22-2011, 05:14 PM
To do that, 7, I would have to show a person shot from behind while in an accelerating vehicle.

You see, 7, the head goes forward because of the shot, and then as Greer accelerates, the body (and the head) goes backward.

It's basic physics.

This is why real trolls never try anything besides denials because you walk right into looking stupid. You are first person to ever claim Greer went backward because Greer stepped on the gas.LOL:thumbs: If YOUR stupid explanation was true then at least one person besides jfk would have went backward but no one does because your stupid reason is just that, stupid. After Greer shoots jfk he accelerates and the passenger goes forward to retreive the gun Greer dropped to the floor. He went in the opposite direction that he would have if the acceleration was great enough but it obviously was NOT. YOU ARE DEBUNKED BY VIDEO EVIDENCE AND COMMON SENSE.
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ibn-idris
07-23-2011, 10:52 PM
see my thread evidence of revision watch and rethink what you think. i forgot to mention that rfk is covered(and his assassin) and peoples temple. deepest piece of work ever on these subjects. limo driver not covered.

BUT FOR REAL YALL GO CHECK THAT SHIT OUT. ALL OF YOU HAVE NEVER SCENE IT I CAN TELL OR YOU WOULD MENTION IT. SO AFTER YALL WATCH THAT SHIT LET THE CONVO BEGIN. THERE ARE 6 PARTS TOTAL. 10 HOURS LONG. ALL REAL ARCHIVED FOOTAGE. HOOVER WAS A FAGGOT BET YALL DIDNT KNOW THAT. LOL

PS. BEEN A WU FAN FOR A LONG TIME BUT NEVER POST AFTER I WATCHED IT THIS WAS THE FIRST FORUM I POSTED IT ON.

EVIDENCE OF REVISION SPREAD THE WORD.

7forever
08-25-2011, 07:58 AM
Increase your screen size to 200% and watch the area over Greer's right shoulder. It pops in unison with the headshot. It's most noticeable at normal speed.
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This old copy shows the same recoil/jolt backward but with video fakery. You can also see the fake red mist appear before the full blotch forms.
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7forever
08-28-2011, 12:07 PM
It does a great job of showing the right rear gaping open...NICE.

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7forever
02-23-2013, 10:22 AM
Many eyewitnesses reported hearing a shot inside or near the Presidential limousine. The driver, Bill Greer was seated two rows in front of and slightly to Jfk's left.

1.Bobby Hargis (Police motorcycle outrider, left rear of limousine):
Mr. Stern: Do you recall your impression at the time regarding the shots?
Hargis: “Well, at the time it sounded like the shots were right next to me,” 6WCH294.

2. Austin Miller (railroad worker, on triple overpass):
Mr. Belin: “Where did the shots sound like they came from?”
Miller: “Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say right there in the car,” 6WCH225.

3. Charles Brehm (carpet salesman, south curb of Elm St.): “Drehm seemed to think the shots came from in front or beside the President. He explained the President did not slump forward as if he would have after being shot from the rear,” “President Dead, Connally Shot,” The Dallas Times Herald, 22 November 1963, p.2

4. Officer E. L. Boone (policeman, corner of Main and Houston Streets):" I heard three shots coming from the vicinity of where the President's car was,” 19WCH508.

5. Jack Franzen: (south curb of Elm): “He said he heard the sound of an explosion which appeared to him to come from the President's car and ...small fragments flying inside the vehicle and immediately assumed someone had tossed a firecracker inside the automobile,” 22WCH840.

6. Mrs. Jack Franzen (south curb of Elm): “Shortly after the President’s automobile passed by…she heard a noise which sounded as if someone had thrown a firecracker into the President’s automobile…at approximately the same time she noticed dust or small pieces of debris flying from the President’s automobile,” 24WCH525.

7. James Altgens: (photographer, south curb of Elm):“The last shot sounded like it came from the left side of the car, if it was close range because, if it were a pistol it would have to be fired at close range for any degree of accuracy," 7WCH518.

8. Hugh Betzner, Jr. (south curb of Elm, nr junction with Houston): “I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air,” I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car 19WCH467



"Handgun used"

"1. Dr. Charles R. Baxter, in Bill Sloan. JFK: Breaking the Silence (Dallas, Texas: Taylor Publishing Co., 1993), p.92: "Although Dr. Baxter…declined to be interviewed for this book, Baxter did issue a brief comment in October 1992 through the school's public information office in which he described the throat wound as being "very small" and looking as though "it might have come from a handgun."

2. Dr. Charles Wilbur: “Interpretation of the fatal head wound by several attending surgeons suggested a high velocity handgun bullet fired at close range,”

3. Iona Antonov, “On the Trail of the President’s Killers: part 2,” New Times, 1977, pp.26-30: New York Daily News quoted friends of John Rosselli to the effect that Oswald a decoy “while others ambushed” Kennedy from closer range.

4. Dr. Robert McClelland: "The cause of death was due to a massive head and brain injury from a gunshot wound of the left temple," (CE 392). <Admission>

5. Parkland Dr. McClelland's testimony as reproduced in Hearings volume 6, p.38: "Dr. McClelland judged that the wound in the President's skull could be expected '…from a very high velocity missile…with a heavy calibre bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range…' This would particularly apply to the skull '…where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.'"

6. A.J. Millican: “It sounded like a .45 automatic, or a high-powered rifle.” <19WCH486>

7. S.M. Holland: “It would be like you’re firing a .38 pistol right beside a shotgun, or a .45 right beside a shotgun.”

8. “Garrison says assassin killed Kennedy from sewer manhole,” New York Times, 11 December 1967, p.28: Report of Garrison claim on WFAA-TV in Dallas – “The man who killed President Kennedy fired a .45 caliber pistol” and that the bullet entered the “right temple.” Gunman located within manhole on north side of Elm Street. Garrison had just taken possession of a set of photos showing cartridge case being retrieved by unidentified man, under noses of two Dallas police officers, on south curb of Elm.

9. Photo referred to by Garrison contained within Garrison Tapes documentary, timed at 01:22:04:15.

10. Joachim Joesten. The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson (London: Peter Dawnay, 1968), pp.248-249: Garrison set to release previously unknown set of photos “which saw a federal agent picking up a large caliber bullet from the lawn on the south side of Elm St, at the spot where Kennedy received his mortal wound. The bullet, which was previously identified as .45, was found amidst splotches of dark grey matter which came from Kennedy’s head…” p.249: “clock above TSBD, clearly visible in one of the pictures, reads 12:40.”

11. Statement of Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Warren Commission Hearings (WCH), Vol. 19, p. 467, taken 11-22-63:
JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner (http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html)

I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm and Houston Streets, this being the southwest corner. I took another picture just as President Kennedy's car rounded the corner. He was just about all the way around the corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was standing back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pulled out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident.

A damn good case if we must throw out the films, I would say:

7forever
02-23-2013, 10:27 AM
Look under 'Beats Fists Against Car'. "The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire, he said. "The Senator was two or three cars behind Jfk's, with LBJ. Look above 'Could Smell Gunpowder'; He smelled gunpowder all the way to Parkland Hospital.

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Royce Skelton's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses) http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm

(Skelton was standing on the triple overpass)

Mr. BALL - Did you see the President's car turn on Elm Street?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes, sir; I saw the car carrying the Presidential flag turn.
Mr. BALL - And did you hear something soon after that?
Mr. SKELTON - Just about the same time the car straightened up - got around the corner - I heard two shots, but I didn't know at the time they were shots.
Mr. BALL - Where did they seem to come from?
Mr. SKELTON - Well, I couldn't tell then, they were still to far from where I was.
Mr. BALL - Did the shots sound like they came from where you were standing?
Mr. SKELTON - No, sir; definitely not. It sounded like they were right there - more or less like motorcycle backfire, but I thought that they were these dumb balls that they throw at the cement because I could see the smoke coming up off the cement.
Mr. BALL - You saw smoke come off the cement?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Where did it seem to you that the sound came from, what direction?
Mr. SKELTON - Towards the President's car.
Mr. BALL - From the President's car.
Mr. SKELTON - right around the motorcycles and all that - I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away.
Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. SKELTON - I stood there from about 12:15 until the time the President was shot.
Mr. BALL - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. SKELTON - I think I heard four - I mean - I couldn't be sure.
Mr. BALL - You think you heard four?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.

7forever
02-23-2013, 10:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_hDakTz2I

I, apparently identified around two years ago that Zapruder clearly depicted jfk's rear skull breaking open and detaching. This simple fact debunks the conspiracy nonsense that jfk was shot in the head from the rear and then the front. Of course, no normal person would ever believe it because there's only one violent impact seen in Zapruder and Nix. The bullet struck the President's right forehead and exited the opposite side, right rear, the exact location that Kinney described so beautifully.

The first gif file is a recent find that shows his hair and skull extending way beyond the back of the head. The others I made long ago that provide the video evidence that had to be there unless the editors were able to wipe it clean from Zapruder. They weren't successful even remotely around the exact frames that needed the most editing. Kinney's perfect eyewitness account corroborates exactly what Zapruder has always shown, jfk's right rear skull was blown off, which means that hundreds of researchers either ignored these video facts or didn't look close enough. Emory Roberts was the SS agent in charge and rode in the follow-up car along with Kinney, Hill, and several others. He told the agents not to move after the first shots were fired, in other words, "stay still until the fatal shot is fired". The SS agents were the only guilty parties involved that day where conclusive evidence exists of their involvement.

http://www.causes.com/actions/1673213-secret-service-agent-saw-jfks-head-blown-out-in-the-back

SECRET SERVICE AGENT SAW JFK'S HEAD BLOWN OUT IN THE BACK

DON'T MISS THIS STARTLING INTERVIEW OF SECRET SERVICE AGENT SAMUEL A. KINNY, IN THE FOLLOW-UP CAR, WHO SAW JFK'S HEAD BLOWN OUT IN THE BACK.../5/94; 4/15/94 --THIS IS ONE OF VINCE PALAMARA'S EARLIEST AND BEST INTERVIEWS:

SAMUEL A. KINNEY was the driver of the follow-up car on 11/22/63.
Interviewed three times between 1992 and 1994, Kinney was a rich source
of information. In an exclusive interview conducted on 10/19/92, the
author learned the following new information from Kinney: the agent
admitted that "we (the Secret Service) didn't do our job", adding that
he thinks about the assassination "every night" and has even "dreamed
about it." ...Sam said "e...no, no, no, he had nothing to do with that...(ordering agents off the rear of the limo)...No, never- ...President
Kennedy was one of the easiest presidents to ever protect; Harry S.
Truman was a jewel just like John F. Kennedy was...99% of the agents
would agree...(JFK) was one of the best presidents ever to control-he
trusted every one of us". In regard to the infamous quote from William
Manchester, whereupon Kennedy allegedly said "Keep those Ivy League
charlatans off the back of the car"[ "The Death of a President", p. 37
(1988 version)], Kinney said "That is false. I talked to William
Manchester; he called me on the book [sic]...for the record of history
that is false- Kennedy never ordered us to do anything. I am aware of
what is being said but that is false". .. Sam also told me that JFK had
nothing to do with the limiting of motorcycles during motorcades, and
that Ken O'Donnell did not interfere with the agents : "Nobody ordered
anyone around". ...

In regard to JFK's head wound, Kinney was explicit: "He
had no brain left- it was blown out...there was nothing left...it was)
the back of the head. I saw it (the shot) hit and I saw his hair come
out...I had brain matter all over my windshield and left arm, that's how
close we were to it...it was the right rear part of his head...because
that's the part I saw blow out. I saw hair come out, the piece blow out,
then the skin went back in- an explosion in and out". Elaborating
further, Sam said, after telling him that that's where the Parkland
doctors saw the wound, "I would say that, too...it involved half his
head". Asked to explain the 1500 gram brain at the autopsy, Sam seemed
perplexed, saying that "there was brain matter all over the place".
...Amazingly, when I told Kinney that there was a book- "High Treason"-
that alleged that "[SS agent] Emory Roberts ordered the men not to move", Sam said, "Exactly right"! ... I also attempted to get Kinney to go on the record in
writing, but I was too late: his widow Hazel informed me that Sam passed
away 7/21/97 while they were travelling through Iowa [letter to author
dated 11/20/97].

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check two
02-23-2013, 12:38 PM
-JFK holds complex place in black history

Not that many years ago, three portraits hung in thousands of African-American homes, a visual tribute to men who had helped black people navigate the long journey to equality.

There was Jesus, who represented unconditional hope, strength and love. There was Martin Luther King Jr., who personified the moral crusade that ended legal segregation. And then there was President John F. Kennedy.

http://news.yahoo.com/jfk-holds-complex-place-black-history-174114981.html