Where does Eminem rank all-time?

[Jon Quest]

At times, Eminem seems like the greatest MC of all-time (see Infinite), and at other times seems like the second version of Vanilla Ice (see Encore). I wanted to see where yall rank him all-time. A big thing I considered when I was thinking about his place among hip hop's greatest was how he overshined Jay-Z on what some consider his best album, The Blueprint. Tell me what you think and why.

[11th Chamber]

Nice to see someone appreciate Eminem, and not make a thread hatin on him. And also nice to see someone appreciate the greatness that is 'Infinite', altho I do admit that aside from like 4 tracks, Encore was ass.

Back to the topic, I put Em in my Top 10 ever(at #9 or 10). I dont see how someone can not atleast put him in Top 20.

[Prolifical ENG]

top 20

[hellbound]

top 50, would of ranked higher if he ended his career after Slim Shady, or maybe even Marshall Mathers

[Sun Supreme]

I put em in the top 10 of all time because of the impact he has had on hip hop with him being white but actually spittin real hardcore hip hop. And he spits it well. Encore was trash as a whole album, obviously, but the tracks that were hot were white hot. The shits that was wack were way beyond listenable (remember: "is it gay to play putt putt golf wit a friend/and watch his butt butt when he tees off....." need i say more?)

The beats were amazing which is why I felt dre saying "what the fuck is wrong wit chu?" at the end of alot of tracks. Lets not forget that marshall did bring dres name back to the forefront after the disappointing aftermath album. If you look at whos out now in the public wit big names and shit, he could be top 5 easy.

[Kenny Powers]

id give him top 10 for sure, easily 7-10ish

[cap]

good thread,prolly top 20 for me personally.
and yeah 'infinite' is incredible,he should make a few songs with that style again...

[IRONFLAGCHIEF36]

top 20. he could've potentially been top 10 if he didn't start sucking after the eminem show

[Frontal Lobotomy]

I'd be quite happy to put him in the top 20, which ain't bad for a white guy in rap really.

[T4R1K]

top 50

[Jon Quest]

I put Em in the later half of the top 10. I try to not let Encore alter what I thought of him before that.

[TAURO]

If it was Em before encore then he is top ten, after?...top 50

Eminem has suffered a lot in my eyes, while I do believe it would not take much to get him back to his lyrical best, the fact remains that his hunger has all but gone, he still has it in him but I guess he feels he has nothing left to prove.

[whoa115]

no matter what he did after, infinite solidifies his spot in the top 10

[LHX]

20


i hate seeing people get crushed when they reach celebrity status

the top 20 MCs are all a blur anyway

#19 could easily be in the top 5

the history of this planet has produced some ill MCs - there is not much difference in the ones at the top

[2L8Lit da croatianMC]

I think among the top 20. I feel his skills, dope mc!

[MX1]

i say top 100- he was dope, but i wasnt all into him so much, but he was still dope

[Kenny Powers]

i say top 100- he was dope, but i wasnt all into him so much, but he was still dope

ok name 99 rappers better than eminem... i cant imagine what the past 8 years of rap would have been like without eminem. People who dont even put him in the top 50 are either racist or retarded.

[MX1]

ok, in the top 100, not the 100th...to me hes like more precise in top 70, and i'm not goin about to name 69 rappers, but even then i just don't think hes all that special...i aint racist, i respect the nigga as a nigga but lately i dont, and i doubt i'm retarded so, to me its w/e with eminem, with him or without...he used to be dope, but lately, hes been shit...bak in his prime i would have put him in the top 50 but lately he been slipping faster than shit so to me, hes not in my top 50

[Jon Quest]

ok name 99 rappers better than eminem... i cant imagine what the past 8 years of rap would have been like without eminem. People who dont even put him in the top 50 are either racist or retarded.

contrary to the beliefs of a lot of wucorp members, people are entitled to their own opinions

[Sexy Jasper]

Isn't he?

Eminem is defo in my top 10. Not counting the last few crap releases.

[MX1]

personally i just aint feeling eminem, he was cool earlier but he, just like alot of rappers today, sold out, and is gettin worse

[Wu-Set]

how can he be top 10 when there is 9 members in wu tang?

[Wu-Set]

nah but really like he used 2 be good skill wise but in terms of evrything its mad disrespectful to put him above other mad other mc's, given the lack of relevant subject matter on his albums his impact on the game is mostly negative in how he outshines more deserving mc's etc etc... his albums are also so self centered and personal, and these days all he does is glorify rap "beef", like yes at one time he had skill as an mc, but cmon that doesnt warrant u as top 10

[Rob Swanson]

http://www.eminemweb.com/gallery/data/509/eminem_and_mayor_rapworlds.jpg

[Kenny Powers]

contrary to the beliefs of a lot of wucorp members, people are entitled to their own opinions

oh here we go with the "people can believe anything they want to" post, at least one per big thread. All Im sayin is that it is disrespectful to put eminem that far back. I understand that Encore was pretty bad, but the re up was hot and he produced all that. And hes one of the few mainstream artists who can dominate tv and still be true to his lyrics...

[J-Cee]

top 10 for me..but his hunger now is all but gone,he wanted to get rich from the shit,hes done that,all he has to do now is not even try,and jsut release bullshit ass songs,and teenybopperd will still buy his shit and make him even richer.

[Polocash7]

top 20. He used to be one of the illest. IMO he has no classics but does have some very good LPs. One of the best flows ever

[Bloo]

Em's got flow. I commend him for not being on the bling and hoes trip all the time like most of the artist he fucks with. But at the same time he's far from the GOAT. As of late he hasn't been on point like usual and that's why I say top 20.

[Bedlam]

It's impossible to rank Eminem's career, because theres two sides of his career that are so drastically different.

96-02 (8 Mile movie was the peak) - He's probably the greatest ever in my mind.

03-now - huge faggot who sucks more than anyone in the game. I can't stand him, and its not just encore, its everything he's done since 8 mile (50 cent, D12 world, encore, super gay rap beefs, thug image, gay club songs, everything)

So I can't give a rating.

[venex]

top 20

[sungod]

top 20

*agrees*

[Marc051]

I'm going to be bold and say top 10. he almost came out of nowhere when he first blew up

[venex]

It's impossible to rank Eminem's career, because theres two sides of his career that are so drastically different.

96-02 (8 Mile movie was the peak) - He's probably the greatest ever in my mind.

03-now - huge faggot who sucks more than anyone in the game. I can't stand him, and its not just encore, its everything he's done since 8 mile (50 cent, D12 world, encore, super gay rap beefs, thug image, gay club songs, everything)

So I can't give a rating.


yep that is true...

I based my opinion on the skillz he has...the skills he had back then, he stills has 'em offcourse..but yeah he's wack now

[Dante]

Top 10 most definetly, even tho i'm not really into his style most of the times, it's very hard to ignore his skills.

[PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT]

I'm going to be bold and say top 10. he almost came out of nowhere when he first blew up

naw he was on rawkus cds and was a freestyle champ before dre signed him

[WuGambino]

He's done so much shit recently I think it cancels out his good stuff, but I'd put him in my top 50.

Edit: 8 Mile was great though.

[Rebel_INS]

top 20. he could've potentially been top 10 if he didn't start sucking after the eminem show

Yea, he wasnt as great after that album so I agree on that. Definately in the top 20 though.

[Rame]

Top 20, used to be #1 but he fell the fuck off and my hiphop-knowledge got bigger

[Mattlocka]

He'll never be above Canibus.50 greates

[RAMESH]

a couple of years ago he could make it in the top 50 list but now he doesn't stand a chance he sucks big time i think the only cats still listening to him is white kids & few black surbaban kids but that was always his major fan base

[RAMESH]

if you want to look at a good white rapper there is the great white who does fall in the top 50 easily is ra the rugged man

[11th Chamber]

^^^ thats disrespecful to say that he isnt even in Top 50. U must have never heard his early albums.

I like Rugged Man, but comparing him to Em is ridiculous

[RAMESH]

em got dr. dre beats but we talking lyrics most of em's shit is recycled it's the same shit on evry cd just diffrent versions of it the man is stail as for respect i got no respect for him i might of thought he was alright once but that's as far as it goes

[RagnaroK]

don't count him out just cuz you don't like him weather or not the skills remains when you pick up he's album they are almost 80 minutes the full cd capacity and everything is clever (except everything that came after show) plus everyone recycle so thats normal and who the fuck else would rhyme "you were suppose to love me now bleed bitch bleed bleeeeeed!" nobody

[TAURO]

IMO R.A the Rugged Man is the best white mc in hip hop.

[RAMESH]

have u heard that track fak of em where he raps about cum on his lips & fingers up his ass & how he like it u want me to put that man on my top 50? u must be out of your fuckin mind africans real africans with african mentality we kill those fuckers in namibia they banned homasexuality jamaicans even look at buju banton u think he'll be down with that?
look at eminem blond blue eyes white skin why would i want to listen to that?
the spoild bitch is lucky to have a mother & he publicly humiliates her makes me sick
then he wants to diss black rappers & the world thinks it's cool i think it's smack in the face

[RAMESH]

besides all that shit the man hasn't got much skill back in the day he was alright i liked a few tracks from infinite his 1st one with dre was good but after that it was downhill he rode on the colour of his skin

[SickSide]

IMO R.A the Rugged Man is the best white mc in hip hop.

*agreed*

[11th Chamber]

besides all that shit the man hasn't got much skill back in the day he was alright i liked a few tracks from infinite his 1st one with dre was good but after that it was downhill he rode on the colour of his skin

Didnt have much skill? are you fuckin kidding me??

Re-listen too...

Infinite
Slim Shady EP
Slim Shady LP
Marshall Mathers LP
Eminem Show

then get back to me

[whitey]

infinite sounds like a white big L with his metaphors. and you heard his freestyles? pleeeeease kid has undeniable skills. he doesnt use them, or maybe lost them, today, but you cant say he was not sick.

[2L8Lit da croatianMC]

he posses mad skills, expressed them very well.

[RAMESH]

Didnt have much skill? are you fuckin kidding me??

Re-listen too...

Infinite
Slim Shady EP
Slim Shady LP
Marshall Mathers LP
Eminem Show

then get back to me
this debate can go on forever people like me don't like em we used to but we don't anymore & we never will again unless he is on a track with a wu affiliate but further than that fuck him pardon me he might enjoy that rather just stay away from the cat
like i said white kids & house niggers love him i don't fall in that category em doesn't make music for people like me he can't
so you enjoy your eminem but please don't rub that shit onto me i said i wouldn't put him on my top 50 u wanted reasons i gave you reasons if i was a white kid i'm sure i would of liked em too because u guys don't have much don't mean to sound rasist just being honest

[DR. NICK RIVIERA]

he has the talent for top10, but IMO hes somewhere between 20-30

just hope he doesnt go completly wack...maybe its too late, i dont know

[Alcryt]

infinite sounds like a white big L with his metaphors. and you heard his freestyles? pleeeeease kid has undeniable skills. he doesnt use them, or maybe lost them, today, but you cant say he was not sick.

co-sign, exactly what i was thinkin when i was listenin to infinite.
I voted top50 but that was before i heard infinite, id put him at least top30 but only because his recent shit has been laughable. (fack...wtf!!!??)

[RAMESH]

this is for all you eminem fans i know ya'll cats i just couldn't resist


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[WuGambino]

He's fallen off.
Big time.


Edan > Eminem.
And that's the truth.

[RAMESH]

you know what gets me most about eminem that his cd always gets good ratings evrywhere
he was pissed off with the source because it gave his wack ass devils night 3 mics
that encore was such a shit cd & it sold millions it was the worst shit i have ever heard in my life & it was praised by the media also that re-up is a piece of shit the only reason em is so big is because white kids will buy whatever that man makes he doesn't even know he shit
white people that don't listen to rap who don't like rap at all will listen to eminem, why? because he's white

[RAMESH]

xxl gave the day after a 3 star rating i wonder how much em & his crews cd's get?

[Edgar Erebus]

white people that don't listen to rap who don't like rap at all will listen to eminem, why? because he's white

At least he admitted it, remember that line from White America: "Let's get it straight, if I was black, I wouldn't sell half"...

IMO - as a MC he's top 10, possibly even top 5. Ray Charles recorded some wack shit and no one said he ain't a genius.

Reasons:
- dope, really dope subject matter (when he wants to)
- excellent cadence, that man can rap over anything
- almost impeckable flow (again, when he wants to, I can't believe same person did Renegade and Ass Like That; somewhere he's so smooth he sounds like he's talking)
- FIRE freestyling abilities, even when he ain't putting much effort (watched his backstage battles on 8 Mile, damn it's dope)
- and finally, fucking amazing wordplay (seriously, listen to Low Down Dirty, he made almost whole verse with one assonance - e)

[RAMESH]

i don't the fuck know what you being listening to but that's not the em i know & even though i don't want it i got all his cd's he ever released & alot of mixtapes of g-unit too i normally make mp3 discs packed with that shit & give to cats that ask me for hip hop as a sick joke
african kids that know hip hop don't play that shit

[Edgar Erebus]

i don't the fuck know what you being listening to but that's not the em i know & even though i don't want it i got all his cd's he ever released & alot of mixtapes of g-unit too i normally make mp3 discs packed with that shit & give to cats that ask me for hip hop as a sick joke
african kids that know hip hop don't play that shit


So it means European kid that listens to Eminem and appreciates his mic skills doesn't know hip-hop huh? Did you really listen to all that albums and mixtapes you own or you dismissed him the moment he appeared because of colour?

[crass]

Edan > Eminem.
And that's the truth.

true

[Kong]

maybe top 50.

[RAMESH]

So it means European kid that listens to Eminem and appreciates his mic skills doesn't know hip-hop huh? Did you really listen to all that albums and mixtapes you own or you dismissed him the moment he appeared because of colour?
the 1st cd i heard of his that 1st dre 1 i thought it was cool i bought me a copy that's how much i liked it
the next 1 was mrshal mathers so the 1 was slim shay i know my hip hop
the marshall mathers i bought 1 time without even listening to it i didn't really like it that much i he came off too conceted from the previous one it's almost like that fame went to his head but on the whole there was a few cool tracks dissapointed about the sticky one was very few tracks that i did like but didn't gain my intrest in a whole i must of listened to it a handfull of times i got return of the 36 chambers a week after & never listened to that cd again i would give it 3 mics
when i heard that d12 cd i bought it i was very dissapointed all his mixtapes is shit somtimes he does bring out an ok track that tracks of his on 12miles was good but from there on in it's downhill infinite was alright not as good as the slim shady that was his peak all his mixtapes are shit his cd's are shit do you really think this man deserves to be in the top 20?
don't even try to convince yourself that he is be honest u must of heard what i heard he got alot of shit out & you know it's wack but you will defend because you are white & he is white & you see yourself in him maybe but the truth is he is wack trust me eminem is wack it's ok man he had the whole world fooled it was going to come out sooner or later fuck he even got me fooled into buying 3 of his cd's

[11th Chamber]

^^^ its good that you have ur own opinion, but I just cant see how you can say his albums suck.

Infinite was a banger, with a couple tracks bein classic.
Slim Shady LP was classic.
Marshall Mathers LP a banger/near classic
Eminem Show was a banger
Encore was awful, I admit that, but Toy Soldiers was remarkable.

I dont really know shit about South Africa, so maybe his style doesnt fit you, and ur used to hearing somthin else.

People complain about hip hop not bein lyrical and hatin on dudes that arent, yet Em was prolly on of the most lyrical cats of all time.

His style is unmatchable. While everyone else is on the gangsta shit, talkin bout runnin up ya spot and killin you, he was on some whole other shit.

People related to him, prolly more than any artist ever, besides 2Pac.
You listen to Slim Shady LP, tracks like 'If I had' and 'Rock Bottom', and he talks about not havin enough money for food, trouble finding employment, shit that people can relate too. Then he switches his style, has fun on tracks like "Brain Damage" and "My Name Is", then is on some dark shit, like "'97 Bonnie and Clyde" and "Still Dont Give a Fuck"

Who else could make a song about killing yer wife, havin ur daughter in the car with you as you dump her body and still make it fun and games?

Regardless of other peoples opinion, he is in my Top 10.

[LORD ZERO]

Top 50
After The Marshall Mathers Lp.........he Started Slippin Hard

[NASTY NAK]

not even top 50

my reasoning....

he was discovered by dr. dre, there are alot of white cats spittin better than he ever did, and been doing it longer. I think he had really no impact on the game at all, he became a rich rapper in it for the money, nothin special about him really.

[White_Mouse]

i have to agree, their were alot of white dudes that were better than him at the time...now everyone aspires to be "The Next Eminem!" That's so stupid...why can't they aspire to be "the best ORIGINAL emcee."

[RAMESH]

D-12 - The Underground EP 3 mics
d-12 - devils night 2 mics
d-12 world 1 mic

EMINEM

Infinite 3 mics

The Slim Shady LP 4 mics

The Marshall Mathers LP 3 mics

The Eminem Show 3 mics

Encore - 1 mic

The E Mixtape - 1 mic

Straight From the Lab EP - 1 mic

Eminem, DJ Semi & Dj Rukiz - White America (Mixtape) - 1 mic

Eminem - Off The Wall - 2 mics

all that green lantern shit = 1 mic

Eminem - Diss Me, Diss You - 2 1/2 mics

[RAMESH]

re - up 1mic

[RAMESH]

8 miles - 3 mics

[RAMESH]

i am being very fair so anyone claiming i'm a racist is a fuckin liar
i'm not blind towards the shit that em releases it sells millions because he is white get media coverage because he is white & people love him because he is white & you will stand up for him because you are white

[RAMESH]

this is only a tip of the shit that em got all the other shit he got is 1 mic at most
the man hasn't got anymore subject matter all his good cd's is actually diffrent versions of the same shit doesn't really deserve the good ratings i gave it

[RAMESH]

you can take any 1 of the 300 wu-tang members & give them the same oppertunity em gets (huge budgets unlimited studio time) & they would give you much better products & that's a fact

[DJMethods]

Slim Shady Show was weak as fuck, start of his downfall. Infinite, Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP were dope.. but 3 good albums out of what, 6, doesn't make him top 10 of all time.

Latter half of top 20, and I'm white.. this guys meant to be our hero, right? He's not, hypocritical fuck.

[Longbongcilvaringz]

pretty tough question i guess, im nto a huge fan, but his flow was immaculate for a decent period of time, and his subject matter and wordplay used to be very good.

id probably put him in my top 50, maybe about 45 or something.

as one person mentioned, he outshone jay z in what some fanatics consider the zenith of his career, and jay is apparently undeniably top 5 according to these zealots.

eminem > jay, imagine what "reasonable doubt" would have been like with em over those beats.

regardless, he has 3 quality albums, and the poor tracks are mainly due to poor beats.

which makes him top 50 somewhere.

also with the comparisons with Edan and Ra The Rugged Man, sure they are good, but what have they done, Edan has 2 fairly good albums, mainly because his production is off the wall. And Ra has a collection of amazing verses and an ok album.

they may be better then him currently, but overall they are no where near eminem.

and im not even a fan....

[Longbongcilvaringz]

...now everyone aspires to be "The Next Eminem!" That's so stupid...why can't they aspire to be "the best ORIGINAL emcee."



yeah this shit really fucking annoys me, any white mc thats gains any sort of media recognition has to be touted as "the next eminem", i dont think they aspire to be this though.

the media just needs to categories people, they just simplify anything they dont understand...everything needs to be the "next" something.

[RAMESH]

pretty tough question i guess, im nto a huge fan, but his flow was immaculate for a decent period of time, and his subject matter and wordplay used to be very good.

id probably put him in my top 50, maybe about 45 or something.

as one person mentioned, he outshone jay z in what some fanatics consider the zenith of his career, and jay is apparently undeniably top 5 according to these zealots.

eminem > jay, imagine what "reasonable doubt" would have been like with em over those beats.

regardless, he has 3 quality albums, and the poor tracks are mainly due to poor beats.

which makes him top 50 somewhere.

also with the comparisons with Edan and Ra The Rugged Man, sure they are good, but what have they done, Edan has 2 fairly good albums, mainly because his production is off the wall. And Ra has a collection of amazing verses and an ok album.

they may be better then him currently, but overall they are no where near eminem.

and im not even a fan....
i won't put jay in my top 50 i like em more than him
you can't compare any white rapper to em because they don't have a fraction of his budget when u got shit it's difficult to produce dope cd's but still they bring out better shit than em

[maestro wooz]

top 20

[RAMESH]

people putting em on the top 20 list is liars or they don't have a big hip hop collection

[Longbongcilvaringz]

^dunno about that, i think his lyrics resonate more for some people then others.

[2L8Lit da croatianMC]

people putting em on the top 20 list is liars or they don't have a big hip hop collection

You judging people by their taste and your ignorance!

[RAMESH]

maybe i'm being biased why not ask some cats with real hip hop knowledge what they think of em in a whole the cd's he presents his albums, tracks guest spots & his mixtapes only other cats opinions who i would take serious on this site is jamal,silencer & ya bane if they say he falls in the top 50 then it is possable but only if they say so
from my side it's not & i got 2044 albums from 598 mc's so i know what i'm talking about

[Longbongcilvaringz]

^sorry how does that mean you know what your talking about, just state your opinion about em in the thread (which you have done) and leave it at that.

(and yes, i do realise this post contradicts what i just said)

[2L8Lit da croatianMC]

Yo i respect that! but i know i dude who has every album from 80's and 90's and he says em is one of the biggest talents, and dopest mcs... To my personal taste Em aint in the top 50, but in general speaking, he deserved top twenty by his skills mostly, and influence after skills of course. I dont follow mainstream, and i didnt hear his last two or 3 albums, but his old stuff is too ill, watch his freestyle battles, he murdered lyricaly every cat who got cought up in his site, so respect his shit!

[RAMESH]

you haven't even heard his last albums i tell you what i will ask some cats in this site who's opinions i respect to give a review an honest 1 if they say em falls in the top 50 or even top 10 then i will admit that i am wrong & biased
i will ask 2 white cats & 1 black so it will be fair

[2L8Lit da croatianMC]

so u r admiting u r ignorant. I'm sure the wise members you mention know's themself where this thread at if they wanna reply... u admiting u dont have a stance..

[RAMESH]

i sent them messages telling them to drop their opinions these cats know more or about the same in hip hop as me we never spoke about em before we have spoke on an occasion
all i can say is they know their hip hop & they will be honest in their opinions if they say em is in the top 20 then their must be somthing wrong with me

[Ya_Bane]

Em definitley doesn't get into my Top 20, or Top 30. I may put him in the Top 50 based on his talent. I am not a fan of Eminem, I don't think his albums are all that (the newer ones are wack) and I hardly ever listens to him, but with that said I must admit that he has talent, no doubt. I just wished he used it. Cause he did have some dope lyrics back in the day.

I don't got much respect for him. Only way I can respect him is he's a genius when it comes to making money, he know what sells (read: he know what 13-year old girls like). But all in all I wouldn't miss him or his music if he quit.

That's how I look at him.

[RAMESH]

see i told you cats i don't think jamal will make as that cat is a genius & he studies hard but i'm sure the silencer will drop in later

[Dante]

I seriously don't get how anyone can say Em "really outshined" Jay on Renegades...Both were about equal lyrically, but as far as flow went, i'd say Jay came off better, and to be honest Em sounded a little annoying on that track. I think most people just like to say Em came off better than Jay because of Nas' line on Ether.

Oh and for the record. Jay on "Breath Easy (Lyrical Excersize)" > Anything Em has ever done.

[ol dirty abbot]

top 50 never really liked him as a emcee think he done some good songs and a whole lot of shit songs. Bought the commercialism of hip hop to a whole nother level and i aint hating on him saying that just a fact. You cant deny his fame but for me fuck the fame. I personally dont like him. Would maybe listen to one song at a time. Out of 1300 songs on my ipod I got 1 of his songs on there guilty conscience. Dont even know if that is a song of his might be dre's? Duno

[Edgar Erebus]

I seriously don't get how anyone can say Em "really outshined" Jay on Renegades...Both were about equal lyrically, but as far as flow went, i'd say Jay came off better, and to be honest Em sounded a little annoying on that track. I think most people just like to say Em came off better than Jay because of Nas' line on Ether.

Not just because of that, I listened first to Renegades then to Ether and I felt from the first moment Em dropped some dope shit, over Jay-Z's (on Renegades, not whole album), but not as Nas said that he "murdered" him.

About being annoying, I LOVED Em's smoothness on that track, somewhere he was like he's talking a casual conversation on the rhythm and with rhymes... I loved him at that phase. Some of you gonna hate me for this, but I think everything he dropped until 2001 let's say was classic. Especially Marshall Mathers (crucify me, it's my opinion). It was such fucking versatile album, from silly sounding fuck-y'all sound of Real Slim Shady to honest - or perfectly acted - pain on Stan and Marshall Mathers.

[the silencer]

peace and respect to RAMESH

i gotta admit i'm an Eminem hater....always have been....i'll never forget when he was first becomin popular with that corny-ass annoying song "Slim Shady" and the chorus is "the real slim shady please stand up" or some shit...i HATED that crap....everybody in my school was always singin that fuckin gayness and the video was always on MTV (back when i actually used to watch MTV)

there have been about maybe 3 songs of his that i have ever liked....i always liked that song Superman and i still do...but for the most part i totally hate the dude and i think he is incredibly overrated and i fuckin hate his beats too...

its annoying because i have alot of friends who totally dickride the dude...i can think of one particular kid who actually thinks Em is the greatest rapper ever....but if i asked him, he's never heard of a dude like Killah Priest

i totally acknowledge the fact that he has been a very successful man but i attribute that to the fact that when he came out there was so many faggy kids and little white girls who gravitated towards him cuz they felt like they could relate to him (cuz hes a blond-haired white dude....im white too so im not hatin but its true) but he always come to mind immediately when i hear the Rza speech at the beginning of Wu-Forever disc 2:
"you Cat in the Hat-ass rappers, u Dr Seuss, mother goose, simple-minded" and shit like that.....that is Eminem to me

and i've only seen a couple scenes from the movie 8-Mile but i was like disgusted by it...they portray him to be this amazingly skilled dude who eats ppl in battles but i feel like minor Wu affiliates like Killa Sin, La the Darkman, Streetlife, and others would fuckin massacre Eminem...

so in conclusion, im totally biased because i never liked the dude and i dont even see him as being an "artist".....he comes across as a humpty-dumpty rapper to me....plus his message is totally destructive to society (i hate my mother and all that shit)...theres been plenty of bad shit sad in other rappers lyrics (Domestic Violence by Bob Digi for example) but i dont think ppl, especially kids, are as likely to imitate that kinda shit...

[Edgar Erebus]

^^ Peace, that's your opinion and I respect it, although I don't agree. Ramesh could take some lessons about expressing opinions without insulting people who disagree with him.


BTW Eminem is black-haired, he's dying himself for reasons unknown to me.

[Jon Quest]

Oh and for the record. Jay on "Breath Easy (Lyrical Excersize)" > Anything Em has ever done.

infinite > breathe easy

[Lil' Ruger]

he should be ing top twenty for everyone.

[bloodyhookz]

Em got played out from the longest time, he don't make classic consistent albums, his first album was something different, but how you gonna compare his albums to so many, so many, and I mean so many others, fuck Em, he a clown, and truthfully, I'm sick of hearing about Hailey all the time, fuck Hailey, straight up!

[maestro wooz]

ramesh maybe if you understood english better you would understand eminems amazing technical skills. Dude raps like the white o.c, masta ace copied eminems flows like a motherfucker for long hot summer and disposable arts.

Silencer i feel you on the mainstream crap of those songs, but thats how he sold. Infinite and slim shady lp are certified bangers, his other shit had some crap and some good. But to me you can't overlooked the technical aspect of eminem rapping. I'd put him probaly at 18. If he wasn't a mainstream depressed trailer park kid he could have made some serious sick stuff.

[RAMESH]

i'm am uncivilesed uneducated cat who gets off on physicly hurting men but that's just the way i am but still i know hip hop even though i can't read or write well i understand english 100% i mostly only speak english i always have so don't try & play me like that
i know hip hop i been listening to that shit since i was 8 years old about 2 decades so even though i don't come out nice i know what i'm talking about
i know that i'm raw so i got 2 respected cats that's educated & civilised to tell you the truth
i never knew if they like eminem or not but i did know they on my level if not higher than me in hip hop knowledge to break it down for you
after what they said i doubt you will see them back in here & much to my satisfaction i stand correct
i would like to thank bane & silencer for their time

[bloodyhookz]

ramesh maybe if you understood english better you would understand eminems amazing technical skills. Dude raps like the white o.c, masta ace copied eminems flows like a motherfucker for long hot summer and disposable arts.

Silencer i feel you on the mainstream crap of those songs, but thats how he sold. Infinite and slim shady lp are certified bangers, his other shit had some crap and some good. But to me you can't overlooked the technical aspect of eminem rapping. I'd put him probaly at 18. If he wasn't a mainstream depressed trailer park kid he could have made some serious sick stuff.

I don't think you got it right, Em bit Ace's flow, he even admitted that Ace was one of his favourtie mc's, you got it twisted kid!

[DJMethods]

Apathy>>>>Eminem

[Jamal Arief]

Ok, here's what I think: For me Em is not one of my Top50 MC's as there's at least 50 MCs that I listen to more than to him. I just don't like his voice, style and general subject matter, plus he is a annoying. I do acknowledge his talent though, and I have to admit that my opinion is biased, because I hardly know his work (especially the new albums). For his relevance to modern hip hop and its followers he should probably be in a Top50 list, but honestly I don't even like the side of hip hop he represents. But well, it is how it is...

Peace.

[Dante]

infinite > breathe easy


I disagree

and for the record, Reasonable Doubt >>> Infinite

[Jamal Arief]

Now that I read the whole thread I wish to comment on this one guy who called me either retarded or racist:

Man, you really got it twisted. Eminem's success is mainly based upon institutional racism and suburbian kids who are torn between the white supremacy doctrine and personal feelings of inferiority towards blacks. But why explain it when Masta Killa has done it so beautifully already:

Yo, I thought the sign read: "No colors allowed"
Well how then, give me a few, just listen
Instead of wasting time, try'nna graft them back
The dominant magnetic will always attract
The unalike causing him to strive to be
Now Eminem, for example, just another sample
Of your worst nightmare, coming back at you
So beautifully designed, the places of time, to see
Everything that has been, always will be
Now figure out the riddle, the never ending cycle
Born in itself, back into the circle
I'm thankful for the blessing, testing of the lessons
Answers and questions, trials and tribulations
That were set upon me, it's hard for some to see
But it's clear as day to me...

But of course it ain't Em's fault. It's just a sad (but true) reflection of our sick society as a whole.

Well, if someone asks me, I would agree that R.A. is the best white rapper I know. The guy is legendary and way more charismatic than Em. He's really up there with the greatest and never made use of his race to cater to white Suburbia. Pure hip hop.

Peace.

[RAMESH]

thanx jamal for taking the time out
so it's like this 4 cats that really know alot about hip hop gave their honest opinions
eminem is alright but defintly not top 20 material

[DJMethods]

thanx jamal for taking the time out
so it's like this 4 cats that really know alot about hip hop gave their honest opinions
eminem is alright but defintly not top 20 material

You were goin on about him not being top 50... do us a favour and name 30 better emcees then him. Show us how much you really know about hip-hop

[RAMESH]

i'm not talking about us cats here i'm talking about the media who puts that cat in the top 10
he will never be in my top 50
i'll give you a list of 30 cats that's not wu-tang related because that will be my top 300
i will give you list of 30 other mc's

[Alesco]

Top 20.. imo

P.E.A.C.E.

[DJMethods]

i'm not talking about us cats here i'm talking about the media who puts that cat in the top 10
he will never be in my top 50
i'll give you a list of 30 cats that's not wu-tang related because that will be my top 300
i will give you list of 30 other mc's

No way is he top 10, agree. Please do man, be interesting to see if I've slept on anyone

[Jamal Arief]

Ok, here's some of my favorite MCs who I PERSONALLY like better than Em, Also w/o Wu MCs:

Kool G Rap, Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, KRS-One, Big L, Slick Rick, Doug E. Fresh, Lord Finesse, Melle Mel, Kool Moe Dee, Tupac, Biggie, Big Pun, Nas, Sadat X, Guru, Chuck D, Ice T, Ice Cube, Poetic, R.A. The Rugged Man, Apocalipps, Fes Taylor, Wise Intelligent, Q-Tip, Immortal Technique, Kurupt, Snoop Dogg, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, MF Doom, Common Sense, Redman, Jeru the Damaja, Saigon, CL Smooth...

That's already more than 30 and I'm sure I forgot a whole lot....

Peace.

[maestro wooz]

it's sad that most people cant look beyond his white skin and blond hair.

[McTom]

Eminem ("We're Back):

All I hear is, I'm best at this an I'm best at that,
but I don't hear my name No man brought up in rap
and I don't usually trip or dare get caught up in that
but when they say one of the best, im nowhere thought of as that
Not even the same league as Jay-Z
Nas, Pac, Biggie or maybe they'll name me
Somewhere down at the bottom right after AZ
or say "he ripped that Biggie verse or that Jay-Z
Yo, his verses were crazy on that Renegade beat
but I ain't never bought no whole CD of Shady
And I all I hear is pop tunes come on the rad-i-o
And they play 'em 20 times in a row daily"
And that very well may be the same reason they don't say me
when they speak on hip-hop legends which has amazed me
Cause I thought the formula was to hit mainstream
and make it big-big-big-big-b-baby

[RAMESH]

like i told you cats i very seldom leave the wu-tang dungeon because i don't feel the need to but here is some out of many mc's i think is better than em on spittin not beats & chorus

ice cube
sticky fingaz
ra the rugged man
ill bill
2pac
Notorius big
Slug
Afu-ra
Royce da 5 9
Big l
Big pun
Black thought
Krs-1
b-real
buju banton
shabba ranks
busta rhymes
canibus
craig mack
fu schnickens
super cat
ice-t
Jamal-Ski
Kool G Rap
Redman
Tim Dog
Chuck D
k-hill
Kirby dominant
k-otix
louis logic
superstition
common
murs
dose one
mf doom
mr lif
edan
insight
aloe black
one be lo
juice
super natural
mos def
talib kweli
Vast aire
Wordsworth

[RAMESH]

papa san
ninja man
shine head

[RAMESH]

those cats from the others

[RAMESH]

rakim
guru

[Jamal Arief]

Eminem ("We're Back):

All I hear is, I'm best at this an I'm best at that,
but I don't hear my name No man brought up in rap
and I don't usually trip or dare get caught up in that
but when they say one of the best, im nowhere thought of as that
Not even the same league as Jay-Z
Nas, Pac, Biggie or maybe they'll name me
Somewhere down at the bottom right after AZ
or say "he ripped that Biggie verse or that Jay-Z
Yo, his verses were crazy on that Renegade beat
but I ain't never bought no whole CD of Shady
And I all I hear is pop tunes come on the rad-i-o
And they play 'em 20 times in a row daily"
And that very well may be the same reason they don't say me
when they speak on hip-hop legends which has amazed me
Cause I thought the formula was to hit mainstream
and make it big-big-big-big-b-baby

Oh yeah, true. I definitely forgot AZ!

Peace.

[RAMESH]

fuck man i can go on for days but i think you get my point

[RAMESH]

1993

Buju Banton & Busta Rhymes - Wicked Act


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Buju - Deportees (Things Change)



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[maestro wooz]

fuck man i can go on for days but i think you get my point


yes we got your point a long time ago, and it's still wrong.

its not just about who you like or dislike, if you were really a "hip hop head" like you claim to be youd be able to look past that and recognize his skills. Rappers may have made better music and maintained better street credibility than eminem, but there aren't many rappers who were better rappers then eminem.

[INF]

I asked Ben for a copy or link for "Infinite" and he never hit me back. I bet anything that if I hit him up right now for somethin that aint Em then he would hit me back.

That speaks for itself.

[L~>1<~NKS]

REDMAN > M&M




But M&M still up in the top 20.

[RAMESH]

yes we got your point a long time ago, and it's still wrong.

its not just about who you like or dislike, if you were really a "hip hop head" like you claim to be youd be able to look past that and recognize his skills. Rappers may have made better music and maintained better street credibility than eminem, but there aren't many rappers who were better rappers then eminem.

ok so i must go past his gayness then i must go past his concietednes so then i can hear about his mother or his daughter & wife & his drug habbit then i can also hear how he disses all the rappers & his fans & how he's the man controling this rap shit it's cool i don't want to listen to that all em is a plastic gangster i'm done here

[White_Mouse]

em is a plastic gangster...now...but not in the days of "Slim Shady" where he makes fun of his dysfuntionality...not many rappers do that...

[RynMur]

hard question, in the top 50 for sure, maybe top 20

[RAMESH]

my friend you don't know what a gangster is it's a evil thing it's a man with no heart no mercy em is trying to portay what & he can never be
he would never want to really be that then why portray it
he should of just stay what he was before he got the money it changed him & went straight to his head he got a huge ego
he is a wack mc his shit just gets weaker all the time
but the media loves him & people love him
no matter what i say it's not going to change that because blood is thicker than water

[White_Mouse]

in some ways you are most definitely right...em is not a WACK emcee though...he just doesn't apply himself any more:frusty:

[Marc051]

you can take any 1 of the 300 wu-tang members & give them the same oppertunity em gets (huge budgets unlimited studio time) & they would give you much better products & that's a fact


Disagreed...they would sell out. And out of those 300, only about 10 of them ( not all the generals) are good enough to be solo mc's. Also, Nobody in Wu has the quick wit that Eminem has..sorry bro

[Marc051]

if you want to look at a good white rapper there is the great white who does fall in the top 50 easily is ra the rugged man

agreed, I think R.A is better than Em though so I say top 5

[RAMESH]

Disagreed...they would sell out. And out of those 300, only about 10 of them ( not all the generals) are good enough to be solo mc's. Also, Nobody in Wu has the quick wit that Eminem has..sorry bro
any 1 of those 300 will fuck up eminem & i like all of them more than em,pac & big put together i would rather listen to fucked up freestyle from the weakest link in the wu than anything else in the rap game has to offer & that's the truth
i feel about the clan the same as white people feel about em yes i am also biased atleast i admit it

[11th Chamber]

^^^damn, how could you take any clan member over 2pac??

Do you ONLY listen to Wu and Wu affiliated stuff? just curious

[DJMethods]

^^^damn, how could you take any clan member over 2pac??

Do you ONLY listen to Wu and Wu affiliated stuff? just curious

Because pac was weak? "im a thug" - Summed up 60% of his songs in 3 words.

Used to like him.. when I was like 13.

[RAMESH]

pac is not at all weak he is the greatest because he had alot of heart that thug image wasn't pac but i listen to wu-tang 99% of the time
there is too much music that comes out of the clan i don't need to listen to anything else
i'm not a star gazed fan i wouldn't even want to speak to those cats if they were standing next to me
i am also an extremist who is very loyal whatever i take on i give it 100% with music it's wu-tang & only wu-tang with sports it's cricket & only south african cricket whatever i take on i do it to the max there is no half way it's all or nothing

[Longbongcilvaringz]

^^^damn, how could you take any clan member over 2pac??

Do you ONLY listen to Wu and Wu affiliated stuff? just curious



meth, gza, masta killa, ghost, rae, ins > Big > Pac.

Big and Pac so fucking over rated....its just become a joke.

[RAMESH]

all over african kids saw 2pac in themselves the man touched millions of people all over the world
2pac is evry single street kid that's doing things we relate with pac
even though i don't get the time to listen to his music he will always be highly respected it's a shame that kids these days think so little of him


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[maestro wooz]

ramesh is a fucking idiot

[RAMESH]

Who are the West Side Boys?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/900000/images/_901209_westside300.jpg The West Side Boys: Not hesitant about opening fire


In a country where large areas are controlled by militias, Sierra Leone's West Side Boys are a maverick group - but no less dangerous for that.
They are not connected to the main rebel group in Sierra Leone, the Revolutionary United Front.
They are known for wearing bizarre clothing - women's wigs and flip-flops are favourites - and being almost perpetually drunk.
Yet the West Side Boys reputedly do not hesitate to use their guns when they set up road-blocks in the area around Masiaka, where they are strongest.
Some observers believe that the term "rebel" is too good for a group which is more like a gang of bandits than a politically-motivated fighting force.
Bribes
Those who have encountered the group says that it is usually possible to pay them off with alcohol or other gifts - though they are most likely to use their weapons in the evenings, when they are most inebriated.
The West Side Boys are believed to include former members of the Sierra Leone Army, former members of the RUF, and ordinary civilians who were recruited by the gang.
Several of them are criminals from Pademba Road Prison - possibly those released during the 1997 coup.
Previously, the West Side Boys have professed loyalty to Johnny-Paul Koroma - the former army leader whose Armed Forces Revolutionary Council (AFRC) ousted President Ahmad Tejan Kabbah, and ruled Sierra Leone for two years before joining forces with the RUF when democracy was restored.
'Colonel Cambodia'
But a recent satellite telephone interview with the BBC - by a man calling himself "Colonel Cambodia" and claiming to be a West Side Boys spokesman - suggested that the group had fallen out with "JP" [Koroma], who now once again professes support for President Kabbah.
"Colonel Cambodia" said his group had participated in the 1997 coup: "We took over the government from Kabbah".
He said his group had been excluded from the 1999 Lome peace accord, which was signed by Mr Kabbah and RUF leader Foday Sankoh.
For this reason, "Colonel Cambodia" said, the Lome accord must be "revisited", and he was holding the soldiers hostage as a means of securing negotiations with the government.
After the seizing of the soldiers, Sierra Leonean journalist Winston Ojokutu Macauley said he blamed Western powers and the Sierra Leone Government, as they were "dragging their feet" in resolving the situation in the country.
He says that only a few months ago, the West Side Boys showed no signs of following any sort of political agenda at all.
'Bomb Blast'
Earlier, the West Side Boys reportedly demanded the release of a man known as as Brigadier Bomb Blast or Brigadier Papa - who has also been named as the group's leader.
No one seems to know his real name.
In May, "Bomb Blast" was among those arrested after a shooting incident, but was later released, after it appeared that he had been falsely accused.
In early June he got into a firefight with an AFRC commander known as Brigadier 55, during which a UN soldier is reported to have been injured. The fight is believed to have started over a four-wheel-drive vehicle belonging to RUF leader Foday Sankoh, which the West Side Boys stole about the time that Mr Sankoh temporarily went into hiding in May.

[RAMESH]

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The Tupac Amaru Shakur Foundation is proud to announce Afeni Shakur’s upcoming visit to South Africa to deliver her son’s ashes on the 10th anniversary of his death. This momentous trip, from September 10th to the 18th will be an opportunity for Afeni to meet with world icon and former South African president Nelson Mandela. Afeni hopes to develop a relationship between the Nelson Mandela Foundation and the Tupac Amaru Shakur Foundation. Traveling with her sister, Gloria Cox, and her daughter, Set Shakur, Afeni will tour South Africa and bring Tupac’s ashes to Soweto, South Africa. The Shakur family will also be visiting hospitals or orphanages offering their support.
The significance of Soweto as the birthplace of the South African struggle for democracy and against apartheid makes the area the perfect place for this honor. Afeni was a section leader in the Black Panther Party and her involvement as a leader influenced Tupac immensely. At a very young age, he was aware of the struggles of black youth both in the United States and Africa. Afeni Shakur will be honored for her contribution as an activist for the rights of black people and the oppressed all over. She will be honored for her unselfish gesture in bringing her son to Africa. This touching gesture shows her commitment and belief in the youth of this country and her continued support of their struggles with the AIDS epidemic.
Afeni will also be visiting with South African Kwaito star and actor Zola. The musician and activist will record vocals to be featured along side Snoop Dogg and the late Tupac on a 10th Anniversary CD.
“I feel blessed to be able to visit South Africa, especially Soweto. Events that happened there are so much a part of our history and it will be an honor for my son to rest in this special place; the birthplace of the South African struggle for democracy. Nelson Mandela’s contribution to the people of South Africa has been immeasurable and I look forward to helping with his work all over the country,” says Afeni Shakur. The return of Tupac Amaru Shakur’s remains to the birthplace of his ancestors will be celebrated in a traditional African ceremony with a praise singer on the 10th anniversary of his death, September 13, 2006. In attendance will be prominent political leaders, the South African government, representatives of the Tupac Amaru Shakur Foundation and guests of the Shakur family.

[RAMESH]

you can never compare your fuckin little eminem with pac with africans face 2 face shit like that can get you killed

[11th Chamber]

I didnt read the whole article you posted, but werent Pac's ashes spread across a beach in Cali? I think it was in Malibu

[RAMESH]

Afeni Shakur has cancelled a scheduled trip to South Africa during which she planned to commemorate the 10th anniversary of her son’s death by burying his ashes in the township of Soweto. Citing personal reasons, Afeni has rescheduled the trip for June 16, 2007, a date that coincides with both the slain rappers 36th birthday and the Soweto Riots of 1976, during which South African youths clashed with local authorities.

[maestro wooz]

you can never compare your fuckin little eminem with pac with africans face 2 face shit like that can get you killed

what the fuck are you talking about


it's sad that most people cant look beyond his white skin and blond hair.

[AcidPhosphate69]

top 10

Early shit mainly. I mean, there isn't another dude that flows like Em and his early subject matter was outta this world. I think some of you people need to take a step back and stop hating on the dude cuz he fell off. Shit happens, don't hate the fucking guy for it. Don't like it? Don't listen to it. Simple.

[RAMESH]

what the fuck are you talking about
you can't be that slow

[RAMESH]

wooz don't try to act cool or tough it's a fact it you going to tell cats for example those westside kids that em is better than pac before u finnish the sentance u would have a bullet in your face

[DJMethods]

wooz don't try to act cool or tough it's a fact it you going to tell cats for example those westside kids that em is better than pac before u finnish the sentance u would have a bullet in your face

You've never been to the West Side. Shut the fuck up.

[RAMESH]

none of the westside kids rebel group has been to westside either motherfucker

[DJMethods]

Your point? They can shut the fuck up too

[Marc051]

i think it's pretty ridiculous for someone to want to kick your ass because you don't like their favorite mc

I bet if real polls were done across the world, Eminem would probably come out somewhere in top 20

[RAMESH]

my point is that africans around my age is crazy over pac he is in category as nelson mandela his a icon way more important then what any other mc can ever be he is like a hero to the people

[Rob Swanson]

Ramesh do you realize Pac doesnt have as much street cred as he appears to have? Did you watch "Resurrection"? He tried slanging drugs and failed, he got beat by the police and sued them. He did countless other things which amounted to minor altercations. The guy took ballet and went to acting school for christ sakes. Im not denying hes an icon or a genius on the mic, but you gotta understand he wasnt on the level of an organized crime boss or a militia leader or a god. He was human.

pac > eminem ...... even Eminem knows that.

[RAMESH]

2pac is just like the rest of us we just lost kids stuck in a fucked up world trying to do the best we can by any means nessary
his message was never give up & fight to the end
2pac wasn't the greatest because he got shot or his rap style
the man had alot of heart we could all see ourselves in him because we all been through the same shit pac has been
2pac is just an average poor black kid with balls
i'm not the right man to break pac down for you i'm not qulified for the position

[maestro wooz]

wooz don't try to act cool or tough it's a fact it you going to tell cats for example those westside kids that em is better than pac before u finnish the sentance u would have a bullet in your face


why the fuck does it matter what the westside kids think. Just because theyre "gangster" doesnt mean they know hip hop.

Do you listen to hip hop just so you can feel like a "gangster"?

[Leo Angel]

Once I thought that Em was a great MC (Slim Shady & Marshall Mathers), but some tracks on The Eminem Show were signs that he was falling of... After Encore and D12 I've lost all my respect for him. this song with Akon is just:?

top 50

[RAMESH]

why the fuck does it matter what the westside kids think. Just because theyre "gangster" doesnt mean they know hip hop.

Do you listen to hip hop just so you can feel like a "gangster"?

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[Scáth Bán]

I'd say top 50. I respect the guy (shit his LP was one the 1st hip-hop album i ever bought) but I've moved onto better stuff, and for some reason I don't like ANY of his albums anymore. I see other white rappers better than him (i.e. El-P), who are respectable, so when people don't like Eminem I don't think it always has to do with his cracka ass. If an MC's being white automatically determines your opinion, you best realize that not all rappers try to pose as someone their not (like a black person).

[WARPATH]

Eminem fell off.

When he started, people from the streets could relate. Cuz he was a broke mother fucker trynna raise a kid. I was a broke mother fucker trynna raise a kid. Wahsing dishes and shit, trynna figure out a hustle.

I'll admit, I didn't like eminem at first because of the fact that he was white. I mean not trying sound racist, just that Vanilla Ice ruined white rappers credibility. But after I listened to his first album a couple of times.....that shit grew on me. I would of never even picked it up if my friends in Denver hadn't kept talking about him(most of them are black and mexican).

Then he got on, and started whining being rich and the pressure, boo fucking hoo.

Then that fak song. That shits funny. I don't know, I have a sick sense of humor. I still got eminems albums hoping he'll drop like he use to, I keep getting dissapointed.

Then there was that whole ordeal with eminems old racist song he did. I never heard it, so I don't know what it's about, but from what I read about it sounded pretty foul. I mean you record a song dissing black, your a racist. I guess people change, but who knows...........

in conlusion:

Eminem represents the poor. Regardless of color, he spoke for motherfuckers getting sick trampled on.

It's just to bad he flipped on us.......

At one time he would've been in my top 5, but now he falls somewhere below 20, in my opinion.

[Sexy Jasper]

wooz don't try to act cool or tough it's a fact it you going to tell cats for example those westside kids that em is better than pac before u finnish the sentance u would have a bullet in your face
You're dumb.

Shut up.


Slim Shady LP is in my top 5 albums. Not just rap albums either. All time favourite. Most of the shit he did after that sucked pretty bad, but you can't deny the dude has skills most other rappers can only dream of.

[oldie]

Although Infinite is one of the best albums i heard lyrically i say top 50, too many great emcee's better than him. plus a fair bit of Em's shit is shit.

[DVSK]

20

[RAMESH]

You're dumb.

Shut up.


Slim Shady LP is in my top 5 albums. Not just rap albums either. All time favourite. Most of the shit he did after that sucked pretty bad, but you can't deny the dude has skills most other rappers can only dream of.
what i said is the truth if you don't like it say you don't like it but it won't change anything
how can i be dumb if say the truth if you speak bad about pac to these cats they will kill u read this

The last time the RUF had occupied Freetown, in 1999, they'd massacred thousands of civilians and set up checkpoints where they methodically chopped the arms off of everyone they chose not to kill. It looked like the horror show was about to happen again, and the population was in a panic.

I got a ride out to the front lines in a pickup truck filled with bare-chested native fighters called Kamajors. They had ammo belts draped across their chests, and many were strung with amulets and jungle fetishes and little leather packages that were meant to protect them from bullets. We arrived in the small town of Masiaka, which had fallen to a government counterattack hours earlier, and groups of Kamajors were rattling off clips into the watery-blue sky in celebration. After a while an argument broke out between two commanders, and every fighter in the plaza cocked his machine gun and backed up for a firefight that would have killed half of them. I dropped into a drainage ditch and waited for the shooting to start, but miraculously nothing happened.

It was clearly not a good place to be, and after a while I managed to hitch a ride in an army jeep that was headed back to Freetown for more ammo. I was so relieved to be out of there that I let my guard down and failed to notice a new checkpoint on the road ahead. A dozen rebels from an ultraviolent, unaffiliated group called the Westside Boys had emerged from the jungle and were waving us down with their guns. I've been stopped at plenty of checkpoints in my life, but for some reason this one seemed different. There was something sullen and ominous in the way the Westside Boys stood, in the way they held their guns. This time it's for real, I remember thinking. This time it's for keeps.

The driver stopped the jeep and the Westside Boys arrayed themselves in a semicircle around us. Their eyes were bloodshot with drugs and rage, and they sported a nightmarish hybrid of hip-hop clothing and African voodoo. I was with a couple of other journalists and three or four government soldiers, and all of us sat without moving or talking, waiting for what would happen next.

The driver of the jeep, a young soldier, was trying to explain our presence to the rebel commander, but whatever he was saying seemed to enrage the commander more. He shook his head and walked up to the driver with his hand on his pistol. No one moved. If he shot the driver, he was going to kill all of us, that much seemed clear. He screamed. We waited. All I remember is the dozen black holes at the end of the dozen gun barrels trained on us. Infinity was contained in those black holes and I couldn't bear to look at them. I found myself thinking that I'd had a pretty good life. I found myself worrying that this was going to hurt. I didn't want it to hurt, I didn't want to be there; I just wanted it all to go away.

[maestro wooz]

so....about eminem

[RAMESH]

the thread is long dead stop trying to save it u rasist bitch

[Sexy Jasper]

what i said is the truth if you don't like it say you don't like it but it won't change anything
how can i be dumb if say the truth if you speak bad about pac to these cats they will kill u read this

The last time the RUF had occupied Freetown, in 1999, they'd massacred thousands of civilians and set up checkpoints where they methodically chopped the arms off of everyone they chose not to kill. It looked like the horror show was about to happen again, and the population was in a panic.

I got a ride out to the front lines in a pickup truck filled with bare-chested native fighters called Kamajors. They had ammo belts draped across their chests, and many were strung with amulets and jungle fetishes and little leather packages that were meant to protect them from bullets. We arrived in the small town of Masiaka, which had fallen to a government counterattack hours earlier, and groups of Kamajors were rattling off clips into the watery-blue sky in celebration. After a while an argument broke out between two commanders, and every fighter in the plaza cocked his machine gun and backed up for a firefight that would have killed half of them. I dropped into a drainage ditch and waited for the shooting to start, but miraculously nothing happened.

It was clearly not a good place to be, and after a while I managed to hitch a ride in an army jeep that was headed back to Freetown for more ammo. I was so relieved to be out of there that I let my guard down and failed to notice a new checkpoint on the road ahead. A dozen rebels from an ultraviolent, unaffiliated group called the Westside Boys had emerged from the jungle and were waving us down with their guns. I've been stopped at plenty of checkpoints in my life, but for some reason this one seemed different. There was something sullen and ominous in the way the Westside Boys stood, in the way they held their guns. This time it's for real, I remember thinking. This time it's for keeps.

The driver stopped the jeep and the Westside Boys arrayed themselves in a semicircle around us. Their eyes were bloodshot with drugs and rage, and they sported a nightmarish hybrid of hip-hop clothing and African voodoo. I was with a couple of other journalists and three or four government soldiers, and all of us sat without moving or talking, waiting for what would happen next.

The driver of the jeep, a young soldier, was trying to explain our presence to the rebel commander, but whatever he was saying seemed to enrage the commander more. He shook his head and walked up to the driver with his hand on his pistol. No one moved. If he shot the driver, he was going to kill all of us, that much seemed clear. He screamed. We waited. All I remember is the dozen black holes at the end of the dozen gun barrels trained on us. Infinity was contained in those black holes and I couldn't bear to look at them. I found myself thinking that I'd had a pretty good life. I found myself worrying that this was going to hurt. I didn't want it to hurt, I didn't want to be there; I just wanted it all to go away.
You're still stupid because the post had nothing to do with anything, nor does 99% of this one.

Rot in those thoughts you cunting scumbag.

[RAMESH]

i saw your picture the only place you can be tough is on the net u not worth my time

[Sexy Jasper]

What's your point now?

Seen my bulge pic? That's how tough I am.

[beautifulrock]

i read this whole stupid thread and i cant believe nobody mentioned this....
while eminem did outshine jay z on renegades(he did dont even argue it was his best verse ever an artistic masterpiece) renegades was already a song with royce da 59. jay-zs verse was just dubbed over royce. so jay had plenty of time to listen to ems verse and come up with something outstanding to compete with em. he didnt. in fact he probably just said fuck it and gave up trying. so u see eminem didnt outshine jay-z. jay-z just couldnt bring the goods to the table. since then, jay has been top notch and em has been a fly on my windshield. if jay came with lyrics as smart or heartfelt as those on the black album or lost one this wouldnt even be a discussion.

so to answer the original question...after eminem show he was top 5....now top 30 at best

[RAMESH]

What's your point now?

Seen my bulge pic? That's how tough I am.
looking at your picture i wouldn't be suprised if u still a virgin judging by your appearence you wouldn't even be able to rape a women because you'll get fucked up
i think you better work on that charm or stick to mags

[maestro wooz]

can you just shut the fuck up please

[UNCLE RUCKUS]

no way is he top 20 sorry

[RAMESH]

can you just shut the fuck up please
do you really think i'm going to let a rasist white kid tell me what to do?
u must be out of your fuckin mind

[11th Chamber]

i read this whole stupid thread and i cant believe nobody mentioned this....
while eminem did outshine jay z on renegades(he did dont even argue it was his best verse ever an artistic masterpiece) renegades was already a song with royce da 59. jay-zs verse was just dubbed over royce. so jay had plenty of time to listen to ems verse and come up with something outstanding to compete with em. he didnt. in fact he probably just said fuck it and gave up trying. so u see eminem didnt outshine jay-z. jay-z just couldnt bring the goods to the table. since then, jay has been top notch and em has been a fly on my windshield. if jay came with lyrics as smart or heartfelt as those on the black album or lost one this wouldnt even be a discussion.

so to answer the original question...after eminem show he was top 5....now top 30 at best

Em is better than Jay Z man

[Sexy Jasper]

looking at your picture i wouldn't be suprised if u still a virgin judging by your appearence you wouldn't even be able to rape a women because you'll get fucked up
i think you better work on that charm or stick to magsI don't know how you lost your virginity, but I can't imagine it being through rape. Then again, I never been to Africa.

On the other hand, someone who is so concerned with other peoples opinions on Eminems skills, might be a virgin himself. That's some nerdy behaviour.

[RAMESH]

i don't have to rape i don't look like a closet fag

[Rob Swanson]

what do u look like?

[RAMESH]

a silver back gorilla

[brown_dogg]

^^ lol he's in africa, what'd you expect?

[PuNcH_iN_PuNcH_OuT]

jasper butt fucks kids as they are easier to overwhelm haha

[2L8Lit da croatianMC]

why da fuck yall two dissin bout some stupid picture, offtopic yall!

[Os3y3ris]

Top 50 and I'd hear arguments for 20.

[Dante]

Em is better than Jay Z man


umm no.

[Tha Ill Shogun Lord]

umm no.

ummm yeah.

[beautifulrock]

ummm yeah.

ummm not anymore dude sorry fack!?! retard gay shit

[Dante]

Jay-Z from 96 >>>> Eminem from any era. Sorry, Em was a beast in his prime, but he wasn't fucking with Hov...

D'Evils, Can I Live, Regrets, Dead Presidents >>>> Em's entire career

[Sniki]

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[OTB]

im def not puttin eminem in the top 50
and im not promisin i could squeeze him in to my top 100 if i waz to make a top 100 list
seemz like he criez too much- oh haley.. oh kim.. oh mom.. oh ronnie
if he waz more gutter hed be iller - cuz he iz talented

[crust]

top 50, would of ranked higher if he ended his career after Slim Shady, or maybe even Marshall Mathers

i agree. anything after the marshall mathers album is trash. i give him credit for the slim shady album tho, no question its break through for him. i'm kinda bitter towards the fact that he brought 50 to the table...oh well. to each its own. it seems like he kinda gave up after a while and let the fame go to his head. but all in all i give him top 20.

[Dirty Knowledge]

To me, you gotta give Em Top 10 because he's the best WHITE rapper. He was something really fresh to Hip Hop back in like 96/97 and people accepted him... I mean, he does do some garbage trash muzik but that's all in his style, that goofy rap shit with funny punches, but definitly give this boy Top 10 and yeah he kinda shit on Jay in "Renegades"

[12weLvE]

High teens...

[Buzk]

"give me the keys im drunk and I've never driven a truck, but I've smoked dope in a cab, I'll stab you with the sharpest knife I can grab, come back the next week and reopen your scab!"
Eminem on pills is the rawest shit out there! Top 10 for me, yea you heard me