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03-06-2007, 02:51 PM
If there were only 10 great hip-hop groups, we wouldn't be arguing about who they are. Here are some collectives that, while not top 10 for the entire brain trust, certainly are in some of our hearts.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/2livecrew.jpg2 Live Crew
These beastie boys from South Florida literally had to fight for their right to party the case over whether or not their 1989 LP, As Nasty as They Wanna Be, was legally obscene went all the way to the Supreme Court. We can't really call Luke Campbell and his fun-loving, boot-knocking collective martyrs, but they did take the weight when the powers-that-be tried to stifle hip-hop's freedom of expression. The Crew were also pioneers of the Miami bass sound, which we know helped inspire crunk. Luke and his crew might not be the world's greatest MCs, but they put on quite an interesting live show.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/8ball.jpg8Ball and MJG
Former Suave House Records CEO Tony Draper will tell you that the independent rap hustle was sweet back in the day: His franchise artists, 8Ball and MJG, pushed major units in the '90s with little marketing but plenty word of mouth. Ball and MJG climbed the ranks to become Southern legends by not conforming to what was hot, but by staying true to their experiences in the ghettos.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/beasties.jpgBeastie Boys
Who would have thought that the three poster kids for keg parties would turn out to be hip-hop's big humanitarians in their more mature years? The Beasties came out with a bang opening Madonna's Like a Virgin tour in 1985 before they even had an album out; touring with Whodini and LL Cool J on Run-DMC's Raising Hell trek; and having then-little-known Public Enemy open for them when they toured in support of 1987's massive-selling License to Ill. The group also managed to recover from the overkill of its early years, reinventing its sound with the sample-crammed Paul's Boutique (produced by the Dust Brothers, who'd later play a similar role on Beck's Odelay) and getting into old-school funk throughout the '90s. Still, the Beasties' role in the thriving NYC hip-hop scene of the '80s can't be overlooked: Just for helping to solidify Def Jam alone, the Beasties will go down in the rap annals.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/btnh.jpgBone Thugs-N-Harmony
These Thugs were the most melodic group in hip-hop history. How many MCs have tried to follow in Bone's footsteps with a sing-song flow? Many but no one has been able to do it like this Cleveland group, which was discovered by N.W.A's Eazy-E. Bone Thugs' harmonizing could make a choir jealous, and if you listen closely, they had a lot to say. In 2006, they signed to super producer Swizz Beatz's Full Surface imprint, and have been poising themselves to become a factor on the charts again.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/bn.jpgBrand Nubian
They've had some ups and downs over the years, but Nubian were strongest when they consisted of Lord Jamar, Sadat X and Grand Puba. All for One, their 1990 debut, was a captivating array of Five Percent knowledge, black pride, self-empowerment and b-boy jams. Puba's swagger is what some MCs still build their style on: book bags, name-brand apparel, a fly honey within arm's reach and those catchy one-liners (at one point, he was one of the most sought-after MCs for guest spots, rapping alongside everyone from Mary J. Blige to Fat Joe to Biggie to Tupac). Jamar was focused on doing the knowledge and expressing his militant side, while Dotty X had one of the most ingenious deliveries ever some of his lines didn't even rhyme!

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/delasoul.jpgDe La Soul
Weirdos? We think not. Sure, on their first album, 1989's Three Feet High and Rising, they brought a psychedelic tinge to hip-hop that they called the Daisy Age, but their second album proved they were no gimmicky one-trick-ponies. With Prince Paul backing them in the early part of their career, you could always count on some humor to accompany their conceptual wordplay. The De La we know now have not conformed to chase the dollars of kiddie consumers: Plugs One, Two and Three deliver grown-man music at its finest.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/geto.jpgGeto Boys
No disrespect to Big Mike, but the Geto Boys lineup that will be remembered the most will always be Scarface, Willie D and Bushwick Bill. 'Face has hall of fame-level respect. He tells his stories with such clarity and gripping conviction that even a corpse could feel what he's saying. Willie D has presence on the mic: When he raps about kicking someone's a-- through the "goal posts of hell," you hear him loud and clear and believe him. Bushwick is the maniacal loon of the crew that you have to listen to every time just to see how crazy his verse will be. In the same way that N.W.A put us onto the West, the Geto Boys opened the doors for Southern hip-hop long before 8Ball and MJG, Outkast and UGK.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/goodiemob.jpgGoodie Mob
Before Cee-Lo became the soulful voice of Gnarls Barkley, he was the undeniable standout MC of the Goodie Mob. Not only is 'Lo a better singer than most R&B vocalists, his raps are poignant and prolific. He and his group gained their following with meditative albums in the mid '90s, and remained at the forefront of Southern hip-hop with their clique, the Dungeon Family (which also included Outkast and legendary producers Organized Noize, among others).

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/flash.jpgGrandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
Flash and the Five Melle Mel, Rahiem, Scorpio, Kidd Creole and Cowboy were there when rap started. Along with Kool Herc, Flash is the actual prototype DJ: a timeless pioneer who could keep the party going all night and astound the crowds with his skills. He's one of the first people ever to make a mixtape, and he's credited with being the first to scratch on an actual song: 1982's "The Message." That song was huge for the group and even bigger for the hip-hop community: It defined a generation, introduced the genre to new audiences and opened up a new whole world for hip-hop lyrics to explore. Flash who's still one of the busiest DJs in the world and the fellas are being rightfully inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/lox.jpgThe LOX
The LOX have actually only made two official albums, but when you add up all the material they've done on the mixtape circuit for the past decade-plus not to mention their solo work they have a catalog that's probably larger than Tupac's. Lyrically, there's not another trio that can stand next to Jadakiss, Styles P and Sheek Louch. The Yonkers, New York, natives may not see mainstream love that some of their contemporaries have, but the streets will never turn their backs on them. The LOX also have the distinction of being integral parts of two dynasties: Bad Boy circa 1994-98, and Ruff Ryders circa '98-2002.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/mobb3.jpgMobb Deep
They are masters of blood talk and potent, glum beats that make eardrums bleed and dancefloors turn into jungle terrain. Prodigy and Havoc have not only been able to stay together for over 10 years (a rarity in rap) but they've stayed consistent with opuses riddled with project anguish, liquor-fueled debauchery and rapid-fire gunplay. They'll never step far enough outside their realm to chase a multiplatinum plaque, and that's why they've remained a concrete favorite.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/nbn.jpgNaughty by Nature</B>
Treach used to kill it on that mic, boy! He was an all-purpose MC: lyrically terrorizing; a new flow on every verse; enough street credibility to be good in any 'hood, from East to West (he was best friends with the realest thug ever, Tupac); and the ability to propel the hip-hop mainstream with tremendous anthems that still get love. Vin Rock is one of the great sidekicks and DJ/producer Kay Gee was masterful with his polished grit. As a group, Naughty were one of the first to get their own clothing line and even several years after their heyday, the trio are still competitive with younger acts, as far as live performance is concerned.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/roots.jpgThe Roots
We had a difficult time classifying this long-running Philadelphia troupe. Although they've had a large number of guest MCs making records and performing with them over the years, to make it in our top 10, you had to have at least two MCs officially down with your unit. But this group doesn't really fit into any category, and maybe that's the greatest testament to its legacy. Black Thought who rated an honorable mention in our Greatest MCs of All Time still can mix it up with the best of them, the group's instrumental chops are beyond question (they backed Jay-Z on both his 2001 "Unplugged" performance and the 10th anniversary concert for Reasonable Doubt), and its live shows are legendary.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/threesix.jpgThree 6 Mafia
Before they won an Oscar, before they were staying fly, Triple 6 Mafia were putting Memphis on on the hip-hop radar with full-fledged donnybrook music. Hailing from the city most famous for Elvis, DJ Paul, Juicy J and their Hypnotized Mindz camp were able to carve out their own niche, making the world realize that a lot more music is coming out of Memphis than what's playing at Graceland. Whether it's selling records on their own or producing all their albums, Paul and J have kept it self-contained for over a decade and when you can sell as many records as they have, who needs outside help?

How OG are Ecstacy, Jalil and Grandmaster Dee? They were the first rap group to shoot a music video, the first to regularly feature backup dancers (one of whom was a young, jheri-curl-topped Jermaine Dupri) and were racking up gold and platinum record sales when people said rap was just a fad. They kept their fashion game tight (well, as tight as '80s fashion could be), were able to hold their own on tours with Run-DMC and the Beastie Boys, and hits like "Friends" and "One Love" solidified their mastery of relationship rap.


"He's The DJ, I'm The Rapper": The Greatest MC/DJ Combinations Of All Time

You didn't think we'd let technicalities get in the way of giving props, did you? Although the rulebook disqualified these duos from our top 10, we had to give them their just due.

Eric B. & Rakim With chains that hung lower than Jibbs', and songs that intertwined with your soul, Rakim became the archetype for all MCs, and Eric B. made sure the beats, scratches and the albums' continuity all stayed on point.

Boogie Down Productions Together, KRS-One and his original DJ, Scott La Rock, made two of the greatest battle anthems ever with "South Bronx" and "The Bridge Is Over," as well as a classic LP, 1987's Criminal Minded. La Rock who was killed just months after the album's release was the musical mastermind who had the vision, while KRS had the skills to carry out the game plan. La Rock would have been proud to see the career his friend went on to have.

Gang Starr DJ Premier is one of the best hip-hop producers of all time that's unanimous. But he's just as undeniable at scratching: Just listen to "Mass Appeal." Guru has remained steadily dope on the mic with narratives, battle raps and serious science-dropping, all in his well-known monotone.

DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince No matter what Will Smith is doing now, there's no denying their pioneering presence: They were the first to win a Grammy and bring it back to the hip-hop community, and helped rap shake hands with the mainstream.

Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth When we reminisce over Pete and C.L., we remember one of the most magnificent hip-hop duos of all time and one of the most tragic breakups, too. Pete had an undeniable run as an "it" producer during the '90s, and Corey Love made the music even stronger with his smooth, introspective lyrics.

03-06-2007, 02:52 PM
from the MTV brain trust:

The members of MTV News' hip-hop brain trust wouldn't have been chosen if they weren't passionate about music — and you'll see both in the TV special and below just how passionate three of them are, in particular over certain groups that the brain trust decided do not belong in the top 10.

Beastie Boys

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/beasties2.jpgIf hip-hop is supposed to represent something bigger than the formative black experience at the genre's core; if it is allowed to transcend the 'hood and be viewed on its artistic merits and its resonance with people outside the street experience — including, let's just say it, white people — then you have to consider the Beastie Boys, those hyper-smart and super-fresh kids from New York, as one of the greatest groups of all time.

Even though they now boast a soft-cover sound and retrofitted politics, their longevity — and musical arc — is indisputable. For better or for worse, they brought the hip-hop sound to suburban frat boys, skate punks and mall girls at a crucial point in the genre's development. But more importantly, they had the skills to pay the bills. Their first album, 1986's Licensed to Ill, contains some of Grammy-winning super-producer Rick Rubin's finest work — and earned them the co-sign of Run-DMC, the greatest group of all time. Their second album, Paul's Boutique, remains one of the three best works of sampling and composition ever. Check Your Head found them actually playing the funk grooves they'd previously sampled and shows off their beat-digger souls. And so on, and so on, and so on. The only thing that denies them entry into the pantheon of greatest groups here is that other element of hip-hop's core: narrow-mindedness.

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/patel.jpg— Joseph Patel


Mobb Deep

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/mobb2.jpgI really feel like I let all my dunns in my home borough of Queens, New York, down.

Believe me, I'm not copping any pleas, but it wasn't a fair fight. My main man/partner in crime, Rahman Dukes (also a Queens repper), and I were outnumbered: Two of us against the rest of the MTV News hip-hop brain trust, a lion's den of our esteemed peers, who for reasons I still can't fathom would not vote Mobb Deep onto our list of the top 10 greatest hip-hop groups ever. Are you serious?

When we first came up with the idea of a round table about hip-hop's greatest groups, there was no question in my mind that Mobb's Havoc and Prodigy should be on it — and this isn't just a case of Queens bias. Putting aside their talent and hits for the moment, let's start with longevity. The Mobb released their first album, Juvenile Hell, in 1993. It's a very short list of groups that came out in their era that are still relevant, with Wu-Tang and Outkast being the most obvious examples — heck, there's an even shorter list of groups that debuted in that era who are even still together. And although hardly anyone cares about Juvenile Hell (released when Hav and P were in their mid-teens), but what they've done since has been truly amazing.

I think their sophomore LP, 1995's The Infamous, is one of the greatest rap albums of all time, period. It may not have sold as astronomically as some of the albums by other artists on the list, but track for track it's untouchable. Lyrically, Prodigy stepped his game up five levels, undoubtedly inspired by seeing a guy from his neighborhood — Nas — being christened hip-hop's lyrical messiah a year earlier. Havoc's production on the album is an overwhelming triumph: morose but hard and energetic.

We all know one classic album doesn't necessarily warrant top-10 status — apparently, unless you're the Fugees (no disrespect, but what?!) — but the Mobb have consistently come with quality fire every time since. Hell on Earth, Murda Muzik, Infamy, Amerikaz Nightmare, Prodigy's solo joint H.N.I.C. and even last year's slept-on Blood Money were all complete albums — that means more than one or two hot records, that means coherence throughout, that means you'll listen to the whole thing more than once.

Clearly, my Brain Trust la Familia (whom I love dearly) have forgotten how they used to lose it at parties or in the club when records like "Quiet Storm," "Shook Ones, Pt. 2," "The Learning (Burn)" or "Got It Twisted" would come on. They disregarded how the blood talk on "Hell on Earth (Front Lines)," "Get Away," "G.O.D., Pt. III" and "Keep It Thoro" would burn holes in their CD players because the lyrics and soundscapes are so enthralling. They're not hearing how bits and pieces of the Mobb's "dunn language" have been incorporated into our own vocabulary through the years. All the work the Mobb have done on the mixtape circuit, keeping real thoroughbred street music alive and pumping for the past 13 years, is ignored.

Our list is very strong: I'm proud of 90 percent of the choices we made. But that's the beauty of the round table. No matter how many pioneering, sonically overachieving groups the brain trust comes up with, there will always be somebody ready to reopen the debate ...

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/sha.jpg— Shaheem Reid


The Roots

[Editor's note: The rules agreed upon by the MTV News hip-hop brain trust state that a hip-hop group must have more than one MC in its lineup; the Roots do not, and thus do not qualify for the list.]

To my shock and shame, the Roots were left off our list of the Greatest Hip-Hop Groups of All Time. This is a travesty! I fought hard and passionately for them, however I console myself in the knowledge that time will prove me right.

The Roots have never been as commercially successful as some of their contemporaries, but something should be said for the fact that they have produced some of hip-hop's greatest underground anthems — "The Next Movement," "What They Do," "Act Too (Love of My Life)" — and continue to raise the musical bar with their live performances. Also, they have had a tremendous impact on hip-hop music by helping to develop some of its brightest and most credible stars: Roots tours, records and collaborations have featured Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Jill Scott and many others — before Eve became a star, she was prominently featured on the Roots' Grammy-winning 1999 single, "You Got Me."

The Roots are distinguished from any other hip-hop act because they are musicians — a genuine band in which every member is technically skilled in his role. ?uestlove's mastery of the drums, Hub's incredible bass skills, and Kamal on keyboards make a Roots show an almost spiritual experience. Black Thought is one of the most profoundly skilled MCs in hip-hop, possessing the ability to flow both written and off-the-dome lyrics. He has a piercing delivery and can cover a broad range of lyrical topics.

The Roots have performed all over the world and put on one of the best live shows of any rap act. They've performed everywhere from the down-and-dirty underground hip-hop clubs of Philadelphia to Lollapalooza, and even Switzerland's Montreaux Jazz Festival. Anyone who knows hip-hop has to respect the long-lost art of the live show, and the Roots have managed to lock down that facet like no other group. That's why they've been called upon to back Jay-Z, Eminem and others.

They have outlasted many of the groups on this list — ?uest and Black Thought began performing together in 1987, while still in high school — and they appeal to audiences ranging from the most hard-core hip-hop heads to alternative-rock crowds.

There are many reasons why the Roots should have been included on the list. Ultimately, they were axed due to a technicality: The brain trust rules say a rap group must have more than one member MCing, which disqualifies the Roots from being included. We debated whether swing members like Malik B. and Dice Raw could put them back in the mix for consideration, but in the end, the panel chose not to include them — a decision I feel compromises the integrity of the entire list. And that's all I have to say about it.

— Buttahman, legendary Roots crew representative since 1993

The MTV Hip-Hop Brain Trust: "The Greatest Groups Of All Time"

Tuma Basa - manager, MTV Music Programming
Bridget Bland - producer/ writer, MTV Radio Network
Tone Boots - creative consultant, MTV
Buttahman - director, music and talent, "MTV Jams"
Sway Calloway - on-air correspondent, MTV News
Rahman Dukes - senior producer, MTVNews.com
Sean Lee - supervising producer, MTV News
Joseph Patel - producer, MTV News
Shaheem Reid - hip-hop editor, MTV News
Kurt Williamson - producer, MTV


Tuma Basa
Representing: Africa and Iowa City, Iowa
1. N.W.A
2. Run-DMC
3. Outkast
4. Wu-Tang Clan
5. Geto Boys
6. A Tribe Called Quest
7. Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
8. UGK
9. De La Soul
10. Salt 'N Pepa

Bridget Bland
Representing: ATL

1. Run-DMC
2. Outkast
3. N.W.A
4. Wu-Tang Clan
5. Public Enemy
6. Goodie Mob
7. Fugees
8. Salt 'N Pepa
9. UGK
10. A Tribe Called Quest

Tone Boots
Representing: Baltimore, Maryland

1. Run-DMC
2. N.W.A.
3. Public Enemy
4. Outkast
5. Wu-Tang Clan
6. Bone Thugs-N-Harmony
7. A Tribe Called Quest
8. Naughty by Nature
10. Salt 'N Pepa

Representing: Baltimore, Maryland

1. Run-DMC
2. A Tribe Called Quest
3. N.W.A
4. De La Soul
5. Public Enemy
6. Wu-Tang Clan
8. Fugees
8. Salt 'N Pepa
9. Mobb Deep
10. Geto Boys

http://www.mtv.com/bands/h/hip_hop_week/2007/groups/images/dukes.jpgRahman Dukes
Representing: Upstate New York and Queens, New York

1. Run-DMC
2. Public Enemy
3. Wu-Tang Clan
4. Black Moon
5. Mobb Deep
6. The LOX
8. De La Soul
9. Brand Nubian
10. Beastie Boys

Joseph Patel
Representing: San Francisco, California

1. N.W.A
2. Run-DMC
3. A Tribe Called Quest
4. Outkast
5. Public Enemy
6. De La Soul
8. Wu-Tang Clan
9. Beastie Boys
10. Freestyle Fellowship

Shaheem Reid
Representing: Queens, New York

1. Run-DMC
2. N.W.A
3. Wu-Tang Clan
4. Public Enemy
5. Outkast
6. A Tribe Called Quest
8. Mobb Deep
9. Salt 'N Pepa
10. UGK

03-06-2007, 02:58 PM
Kanye, Run-DMC, Outkast, Justin Sound Off On Our Top 10 Hip-Hop Groups from www.mtv.com (http://www.mtv.com)

Since revealing our list of the Greatest Hip-Hop Groups of All Time, fans and artists have been telling us exactly what they think. Now we've compiled a new list the Greatest Hip-Hop Groups of All Time: Reactions and Recollections.
(Click here for our top 10 plus the honorable mentions that the Brain Trust couldn't quite agree on.)
So many hip-hop heavyweights sounded off on our latest list that we broke up the reactions into two parts. Check back on Wednesday for some words from Nas, the Game, Erick Sermon and more. But first up, we talked to the remaining members of our top pick, Run-DMC. You might be surprised that one of the MCs doesn't agree with our #1, but they're both pumped.

"Every day I'm competing with life, trying to make great things happen," said Run-DMC's Rev Run. "My energy is always up, trying to make something new happen for me, my brother, my family, my friends. This is great. Another win. I'm a competitive person, so to hear I'm #1, this is great. ... But you never know what can happen. Sometimes Public Enemy, they're #1 on people's list. Thank God this time I'm #1."

"How does it feel to be a part of the greatest group ever? It's a really good feeling," Run's partner DMC gushed when he heard about the top spot. "Wow, that's big. To me, the greatest group ever was the Cold Crush Brothers, but that was before records. Cold Crush over Run-DMC, for sure! Their mixtape in '82 was the greatest thing me and Run ever heard. The reason why Run-DMC was so def, I was going to school up in Harlem [New York] and would buy Cold Crush tapes for $8. Me and Run knew if we gonna be in this game, we gotta be better than that. That's why we made 'Here We Go,' 'It's Tricky.' Our records were routines. That's why we're so tight onstage. We took it from them. I told Grandmaster Caz, 'If there weren't no Cold Crush, we might not have been def.' I mean, we were still going to be def, but it was on that level. ... I could give a lot of props to [Grandmaster] Flash & the Furious Five, Treacherous Three, Funky Four + 1.'

"Grandmaster Flash, [with] Jam Master Jay, we took [the 'Master' name] from him," Run added about the trio's other inspirations. "[Cold Crush] put us so high as if we did so much, but we got all that from Tony Tone; it came from Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five. Somebody once said we weren't old school we were the liaison from old school to new school. I love that. We're the middle. We took some of their styles and made it popular. Cold Crush, Fantastic Five, Funky Four + 1. A little bit of Kool Moe Dee and them."
As much as groups before them influenced Run-DMC, the trio definitely had an impact on the hip-hop acts that followed them.

"I would not be mad if Public Enemy went into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before me," DMC said. "Chuck D is my idol. The sound, the voice. Chuck said the reason he was so tough was because he studied Run-DMC albums. If you look at great groups live, it started with Cold Crush, then Run-DMC, then Public Enemy. Chuck was older than us. He used to say he would sit at the side of the stage with Eric B. when we were touring together. They would stick around to see our show, and Eric would tell Chuck, 'There's no way we could f--- with that.' I can't comprehend the accolades we get."
Run said that on the road, he, DMC and JMJ came up with their best project ever, 1986's Raising Hell. "I remember we wrote it on the road during [the] King of Rock [era]. And because we were on the road together, we were around each other even more. We had a tour, Fresh Fest. That album came out the best because we were together the most during that time. I'll come up with a flow or D would come up with a flow. Take for instance 'It's Like That.' I came up with 'It's like that' and D came back the next day saying, 'And that's the way it is.' "

Through Raising Hell, Run-DMC may have gained their most success, but their entire body of work cements their legendary status.
"In the rap game, bringing black and white people together with 'Rock Box,' 'King of Rock' and 'Walk This Way,' " Run said about Run-DMC's greatest contribution to hip-hop. "I guess that's the biggest thing we did: brought more people together other than just the 'hood. We showed that music is universal and we could collaborate. It was a show of unity."
MTV News talked to a few members of our other greatest groups too. Ever so humble, Outkast are grateful just to be felt.
"Thank you for putting us on the list," Andre 3000 said. We appreciate it."

"It's an honor knowing people appreciate what you do," Big Boi chipped in. "Most of the time, we just leave it up the fans, we don't trip on the ratings or nothing like that. People ask us all the time, but there were many before us, like Run-DMC on down to EPMD, so you really can't knock them out. Without them, there would be no us. For people to be into what we're doing still is great."
Chuck D is cool with our list for the most part but he said the Beastie Boys and Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five should have absolutely been in the top 10.
"Y'all need the Beasties on there, man," Chuck said with a smile. "And Flash, they're getting ready to go into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. ... N.W.A brought a lot of different personalities. Cube is one of the greatest MCs of all time, if not the greatest. Then you have Dre. Number one, you've got [N.W.A's] Ren, who is like the Scottie Pippen of rap, who never ever got the respect he deserved. Run-DMC, they're the Beatles. [Public Enemy], we call ourselves the Rolling Stones. De La Soul is the Who. ... Fugees, incredible group. Nobody put together the actual dynamics like Wyclef and Lauryn. Everybody could do their own things, but it's noting like coming together as a team."

You want to see Justin Timberlake flip out of his usual lovable character, try disrespecting one of his favorite groups ever, A Tribe Called Quest. JT had gotten some bad info that Tribe were not in the top 10, and it didn't sit so well with him. ("Tribe better be on that top 10, that's all I'm saying," Timberlake said. "That's all I'm sayin'!").
He was cool with #1 and #2 though. "Run-DMC, N.W.A, it's crazy how much [music] is thrown back to groups like that," Timberlake said. "You're talking to a white boy from Tennessee. I used to listen to them all the time. That's how's you know it's not just a cultural thing; it's a worldwide thing, hip-hop. Outkast, I remember I was 14 years old and had [the 1994 Outkast album] Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik and played it all the time, from front to back. My whole generation is influenced by groups like that. I don't know what it's worth for me to talk about it. Maybe you should talk to somebody like Jay-Z or Kanye West. I'm a singer, but these groups, they inspired a certain swagger that comes along with my music as well."

We took Justin's advice and got in touch with Mr. West too. Kanye wasn't afraid to admit he was influenced by some of the groups on the list. "I used to love [Public Enemy]," 'Ye said. "More so than PE having an impact on me, it was my parents having an impact on me. [My parents' teachings] connected with the stuff [Public Enemy] were doing. I could play that music for my father, and even though they would curse sometimes, he'd be into it because it was about making some type of change. I think Tribe is my favorite group of all time. Pharcyde, I like them a lot. Far Ride to the Pharcyde is my favorite rap album period.
"[Outkast at #4], I think it's incredible that a group that is so young ... for them to be ranked so high," Kanye added. "They impacted me. We have a lot of similarities: trying to make a different sound; not making stuff for the radio but for the people; being very stylish and understanding that's a part of hip-hop. Big Boi is dope-boy fresh. I don't think people understand how fresh Big Boi is. He was the first to wear throwback jerseys.

"Wu-Tang? Me and my friends talk about this all the time," Kanye continued. "We think Wu-Tang had one of the biggest impacts as far as a movement. From slang to style of dress, skits, the samples. Similar to the [production] style I use, RZA has been doing that."
Guru from Gang Starr gave props to our #7 act, EPMD, for not only boosting his group, but for always coming with something fresh. "They were one of the first to stand out with in-house production," Guru remembered. "Their production went right along with their flow. It was all in house. They were some of the first with that slow flow that really made a difference in the game. Second of all, those dudes were instrumental in snatching Gang Starr and bringing us on tour with them, similar to what Gang Starr did for M.O.P. Even though we weren't getting the marketing and promotion, they felt us and brought us on tour. We were on tour with them, the only ones without a tour bus. They made constant classics. It was the epitome of a two-man group similar to Run-DMC, where the voices were different but similarly powerful."

03-07-2007, 02:51 AM
it seems as time goes by JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE comes across cooler, surprising he is the same douchebag that was in NSync

03-07-2007, 03:10 AM
since when is malik b not a member of the roots? just because he wasnt on all their albums...

i cant comprehend how they have firgured out that "The Roots" are not a group , they are a hip hop collective of like 6+. Its fucking stupid.

with multiple mc's on the majority of their albums.