advanced meditation

[froth]

the goal of mysticism, taoism, buddhism, hinduism, most native american traditions, and the teachings of jesus (later altered) is the recognizance of the true nature of reality and the universe, namely that god/allah/creative universal intelligence/the tao/insert metaphor here... is in everything and that everything is connected. this is why the golden rule is golden, bc we are all one, ie you are me. this is debated, but it is true, regardless if you have learned it or experienced it yet.

our bodies are like a boat we are in. god* is in the boat with us and is always driving the boat. we either dont know god* is in the boat, think we are actually driving the boat (interfering), are experiencing a combination of those two things, or are chilling, letting god* drive. the best moments of your life, the best things you ever accomplished, created, the most noble, brave, or remarkable things have occured when god* was allowed to drive.

here are three techniques to help you notice the god* in you and in everything.

1. thought control

sit still somewhere and breath normally. focus your mind on your breathing but dont try to alter it. relax. allow your mind to wander and pay attention to thoughts as they enter your head. dont try to alter the thoughts, just let them go their course. try to pay attention to the space between the thoughts. notice that the egoic thought your mind is creating is really a dispirate jumble of mostly unrelated noise. at first the silence between thoughts might only last a second, but pay attention to the spaces. realize the difference between unconscious thought and the person in you that is watching the thoughts occur. watch the spaces. you must distinguish between true will and egoic noise.this technique is crucial to learn how to astral project, among other things, in my opinion.

2. releasing yourself from verbal constructs.

as raw said, the map is not the territory. the words and metaphors we use to denote our reality are largely objective and also in some sense detrimental to our ability to truly perceive life as it is. sit quietly somewhere outside. breathe normally. quiet your mind and listen to the sounds you hear around you. try not to think about what is making the sound. try not to define the sound. allow yourself to think of all of the sounds as various expressions of energy. allow the sounds to blend into a cacophony, the interconnected symphony that god* is playing, the universe. practice this meditation until you can sit in stillness without applying a verbal construct to the sound of the energy around you.

3. advanced technique-healing meditation

find a place to comfortably lie down. breathe deeply several times and clear your mind. lie still and allow thoughts to flutter but pay no attention to them. at some point you might feel a twitch or an inadvertent motion. refuse to resist any motion your body tries to take (dont try to stop it). this might be frightening at first but allow yourself to move in any way that your body is urged to move. common occurences are the flexing of a part of your body, arching of the back, arms coming together and seperating, the tapping of the chest at various pressure points/chakras. allow these motions to occur uninhibited. pray if you like. ask a question of god*, and notice that the answer comes back to you as a thought. realize that you have far fewer questions for god* than you previously may have thought. Allow this to happen for as long as possible. if it happens all night, it is ok, as you will not be tired. allow god* to show you thoughts and sounds during the process. do not try to interfere with the thoughts that occur, simply watch.

[maestro wooz]

hotep

[the silencer]

dont have the time to read thru the whole thing right now (i got finish a big paper for school....ugh) but that looks like a dope fuckin post, froth...thanks for that shit i'll be checkin it out for sure..

[froth]

hotep

:cheerlie: ALABAMA :cheerlie:

dont have the time to read thru the whole thing right now (i got finish a big paper for school....ugh) but that looks like a dope fuckin post, froth...thanks for that shit i'll be checkin it out for sure..

everything is on the strenf

[zeppelin2k]

can this help hone the control of out of body experiences?

[froth]

definitely, regardless of what technique you use to project you are going to have to discover the difference between your true will/self and the random noise/uncontrolled thought/internal dialogue that humans experience. now, you might have projection happen accidentally and some people have been able to do it since childhood and dont think conceptually about it in the same way as someone trying to learn it, but in order to do it when you want to and go into it with awareness, you have to master your will/focus/thoughts, or at least, get better at it.

this is tricky bc most people dont see a distinction between the random thought/noise they experience (part of the 'ego' for lack of a better term) and their true self. distinguishing between the two and mastering your control over what you allow to be happening in your head/reality has long been a goal of mystics of every culture. hell, it is Taoism, to a large extent. this is what is meant by the tricky concept of 'not-doing'

[WARPATH]

distinguishing between the two and mastering your control over what you allow to be happening in your head/reality has long been a goal of mystics of every culture.

Just trying to contribute to the thread....

I think there's line to be drawn between-

What's going on in your head

and

What's actually happening.

I think it's the difference between "percieving" astral projection

and

Seeing events elsewhere in "real-time"

[froth]

yeah well ive always said to look at multiple viewpoints. first of all our notions of 'real time' are totally wrong to begin with, so whichever way you want to look at astral projection, the experience is real. whether its inner or outer space....well if you read back through things i think you will find that those concepts are irrelevant if you realize that its all connected energy to begin with.

[froth]

truth be told, astral projection is fiddlesticks in comparison with what you can accomplish with the last exercise i mention

[LHX]

with enough practice you can slide into these states on command


a lot of people have no idea how it feels

[Civilison]

a lot of people have no idea how it feels

nah... but they do.

somehow, deep there.... i mean c'mon we can tell!

i hope

[LHX]

nah... but they do.

somehow, deep there.... i mean c'mon we can tell!

i hope
you are right


i cant disagree

[Civilison]

as a matter of fact, as an addendum to the discussion at hand the current world is the result of the majority of mankind slipping into an improper mental state (state of consciousness).

or at least such would be the psycho-psychical assertion.

people spend too much time in their mind where the faculty of intellect predominates.

[froth]

yes, or more simply, they imagine themselves as seperate from the whole. this is where a lot of so called 'magickians' and other dogma chasers start to show their egos...

[WARPATH]

yeah well ive always said to look at multiple viewpoints. first of all our notions of 'real time' are totally wrong to begin with, so whichever way you want to look at astral projection, the experience is real. whether its inner or outer space....well if you read back through things i think you will find that those concepts are irrelevant if you realize that its all connected energy to begin with.

I can dig it. Even my words were a little hollow....let me elaborate.

In Black Elk speaks, Black tells about his visions he had, even when he was a child. The vision was deep and vivid, in the book (written by John G. Neighardt) it paints a picture of what Black Elk seen after he faints. He travels to a place that seems almost mythical.

Not to get into what he actually saw to much to avoid a theoligical debate.....it made me wonder to what extent was the vision?

Was it in his mind, i'm not saying he imagined it(like most would have you believe)- but was there outside influence-energy-entity- whatever, that was showing him this in his mind?

Or was it a real place that he experienced? I guess it doesn't matter either way, if it's inside or out, like you mentioned......but drawing a line between may help us understand our universe a little more.

[froth]

you hit it on the head whne you said it doesnt matter either way. the experience itself was significant and doesnt need validation as having taken place in 'reality' to be important. it begs an interesting question though that may aid you down the line. why is it important to you to distinguish between 'inside' and 'outside'? if you can get to the true answer to this then you can start unravelling the aristotle 'its one or the other' gunk that people have covered us with. one aspect is the notion of 'proof' but im not dealing with anything that can be proven except by direct experience. i dont think black elk ever felt a burden of proof whatsoever. in your position i would dwell or meditate on the inherent beauty of lifes design that leads to visions

[WARPATH]

No doubt, thanks for that feedback.

I guess another point I was trying to make out, that stems from that is

Visions vs. Halloucenations

From my experience, I've come to the conclusion that man made chemicals alter your preception the point where your visuals are most defientley artifical. I mean, the things you see come from within, but when you dealing with authentic visions- Are they really coming from within you? People always say natives do things that make them holucinate, but with a sober mind- as opposed to being on somthing, people don't realize it's just not the case.

Which brings me to other natural substances- like peyote. My understanding is, when used properly, can give you a view of the world that you don't have normally.

I think that man-made halloucegens, alters preception, or fucks your brain if you will- so that your using your preceptions wrong- perhaps your fucking with that "third eye" so to speak. As opposed to somthing that operates with nature.

[froth]

when a natural substance such as peyote is ingested and when a proper reverence for the experience is utilized you may gain insights to the nature of the universe, but my mind always goes back to reading baba ram dass' book 'be here now' when he recounts a tale about traveling in the himalyas. a monk he encountered ate a fuckload of acid that dass had and just winked at him. i suppose the moral is, when you are open you are open

[ALLAHNDRZUWUNIGA]

as a matter of fact, as an addendum to the discussion at hand the current world is the result of the majority of mankind slipping into an improper mental state (state of consciousness).

or at least such would be the psycho-psychical assertion.

people spend too much time in their mind where the faculty of intellect predominates.


How do you imagine the current world would be if people spent time in other mental states?, and what mental states would you be refering to?

If you dont "mind" my asking

[froth]

well for starters, if you can control your thoughts and simultaneously treat others as you would like to be treated, the current world would be a lot better place. seems pretty obvious. the predominant mental state is one of egoic domination reinforced with the false notion that you are a seperate entity. this leads to everything from sorrow to selfishness

[ALLAHNDRZUWUNIGA]

http://www.universal-tao.com/archives/report_nationalclearinghouse.pdf

[TeknicelStylez]

I meditated during the time that the planets were aligned a couple years back and it was crazy. When I looked down at my hands some kind of smoke looking aura was coming off them, and my energy level just seemed off the meter. I think I was experementing with chakras too. The one where you let the energy flow from the top of your mind down to the bottom of your spine and all that noise. It was the most gratifying meditation experience I ever had.

I also astral projected a couple of times accidently, and I've experienced lucid dreaming. This shit is no joke.

[froth]

yeah its def not a joke its real, a lot of people think im not serious. ive told my parents about shit and they just look at me like huh?

[Olive Oil Goombah]

so how would a guy like me, who has nevr meditated, go about his first attempt at it??? I've thought of this stuff, and I have often had vivid dreams that really affect me, and I remember dreams from when I was a kid.

I feel seperate sometimes....but maybe not with the universe, but socially, since I don't do thing the 'normal' way, makes me seem a bit odd to others. Or does this not even have significance?

[froth]

everything is significant. in the words of james joyce, 'god is a shout in the street'. a guy like you, i would recommend learning to relax your body. start by lying still and calmly. take a few deep breaths, then concentrate on one of your big toes. dont move, just concentrate on the toe. let it relax. feel how it has relxaxed since you started the process. think about your other toe. let it relax. if you start to feel any warmth or buzz to the toe, thats fine, if not it doesnt matter. move your perception as slowly as possible to other toes, bridge of your foot, etc. the key is not to rush and try to generate a little warmth or buzz. as you move thru ankles, calf muscles and all the way up (taking your sweet time...this is YOU time, this is for you). when you get to the top of your head picture a light right above your head. lie there in the imagined light. take three or four deep breaths. now, the next breath pretend that it is starting from your feet, so as you breathe in, feel the energy/warmth/buzz you created move to the very top of your head. when you breathe out, let it flow all the way back to your feet. you can create a fun and relaxing up and down kind of see saw effect here. if you give this a shot a few times you should have interesting results, at the very least you might know yourself better. there is no right way of doing things its what works for you. good luck and have fun