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froth
03-26-2007, 03:21 PM
the goal of mysticism, taoism, buddhism, hinduism, most native american traditions, and the teachings of jesus (later altered) is the recognizance of the true nature of reality and the universe, namely that god/allah/creative universal intelligence/the tao/insert metaphor here... is in everything and that everything is connected. this is why the golden rule is golden, bc we are all one, ie you are me. this is debated, but it is true, regardless if you have learned it or experienced it yet.

our bodies are like a boat we are in. god* is in the boat with us and is always driving the boat. we either dont know god* is in the boat, think we are actually driving the boat (interfering), are experiencing a combination of those two things, or are chilling, letting god* drive. the best moments of your life, the best things you ever accomplished, created, the most noble, brave, or remarkable things have occured when god* was allowed to drive.

here are three techniques to help you notice the god* in you and in everything.

1. thought control

sit still somewhere and breath normally. focus your mind on your breathing but dont try to alter it. relax. allow your mind to wander and pay attention to thoughts as they enter your head. dont try to alter the thoughts, just let them go their course. try to pay attention to the space between the thoughts. notice that the egoic thought your mind is creating is really a dispirate jumble of mostly unrelated noise. at first the silence between thoughts might only last a second, but pay attention to the spaces. realize the difference between unconscious thought and the person in you that is watching the thoughts occur. watch the spaces. you must distinguish between true will and egoic noise.this technique is crucial to learn how to astral project, among other things, in my opinion.

2. releasing yourself from verbal constructs.

as raw said, the map is not the territory. the words and metaphors we use to denote our reality are largely objective and also in some sense detrimental to our ability to truly perceive life as it is. sit quietly somewhere outside. breathe normally. quiet your mind and listen to the sounds you hear around you. try not to think about what is making the sound. try not to define the sound. allow yourself to think of all of the sounds as various expressions of energy. allow the sounds to blend into a cacophony, the interconnected symphony that god* is playing, the universe. practice this meditation until you can sit in stillness without applying a verbal construct to the sound of the energy around you.

3. advanced technique-healing meditation

find a place to comfortably lie down. breathe deeply several times and clear your mind. lie still and allow thoughts to flutter but pay no attention to them. at some point you might feel a twitch or an inadvertent motion. refuse to resist any motion your body tries to take (dont try to stop it). this might be frightening at first but allow yourself to move in any way that your body is urged to move. common occurences are the flexing of a part of your body, arching of the back, arms coming together and seperating, the tapping of the chest at various pressure points/chakras. allow these motions to occur uninhibited. pray if you like. ask a question of god*, and notice that the answer comes back to you as a thought. realize that you have far fewer questions for god* than you previously may have thought. Allow this to happen for as long as possible. if it happens all night, it is ok, as you will not be tired. allow god* to show you thoughts and sounds during the process. do not try to interfere with the thoughts that occur, simply watch.

maestro wooz
03-27-2007, 12:51 AM
hotep

the silencer
03-27-2007, 01:11 PM
dont have the time to read thru the whole thing right now (i got finish a big paper for school....ugh) but that looks like a dope fuckin post, froth...thanks for that shit i'll be checkin it out for sure..

froth
03-27-2007, 02:25 PM
hotep

:cheerlie: ALABAMA :cheerlie:

dont have the time to read thru the whole thing right now (i got finish a big paper for school....ugh) but that looks like a dope fuckin post, froth...thanks for that shit i'll be checkin it out for sure..

everything is on the strenf

zeppelin2k
03-27-2007, 02:34 PM
can this help hone the control of out of body experiences?

froth
03-27-2007, 02:45 PM
definitely, regardless of what technique you use to project you are going to have to discover the difference between your true will/self and the random noise/uncontrolled thought/internal dialogue that humans experience. now, you might have projection happen accidentally and some people have been able to do it since childhood and dont think conceptually about it in the same way as someone trying to learn it, but in order to do it when you want to and go into it with awareness, you have to master your will/focus/thoughts, or at least, get better at it.

this is tricky bc most people dont see a distinction between the random thought/noise they experience (part of the 'ego' for lack of a better term) and their true self. distinguishing between the two and mastering your control over what you allow to be happening in your head/reality has long been a goal of mystics of every culture. hell, it is Taoism, to a large extent. this is what is meant by the tricky concept of 'not-doing'

WARPATH
03-27-2007, 02:57 PM
distinguishing between the two and mastering your control over what you allow to be happening in your head/reality has long been a goal of mystics of every culture.

Just trying to contribute to the thread....

I think there's line to be drawn between-

What's going on in your head

and

What's actually happening.

I think it's the difference between "percieving" astral projection

and

Seeing events elsewhere in "real-time"

froth
03-27-2007, 09:24 PM
yeah well ive always said to look at multiple viewpoints. first of all our notions of 'real time' are totally wrong to begin with, so whichever way you want to look at astral projection, the experience is real. whether its inner or outer space....well if you read back through things i think you will find that those concepts are irrelevant if you realize that its all connected energy to begin with.

froth
03-27-2007, 09:25 PM
truth be told, astral projection is fiddlesticks in comparison with what you can accomplish with the last exercise i mention

LHX
03-27-2007, 09:49 PM
with enough practice you can slide into these states on command


a lot of people have no idea how it feels

Civilison
03-27-2007, 10:42 PM
a lot of people have no idea how it feels

nah... but they do.

somehow, deep there.... i mean c'mon we can tell!

i hope

LHX
03-27-2007, 10:43 PM
nah... but they do.

somehow, deep there.... i mean c'mon we can tell!

i hope
you are right


i cant disagree

Civilison
03-27-2007, 10:52 PM
as a matter of fact, as an addendum to the discussion at hand the current world is the result of the majority of mankind slipping into an improper mental state (state of consciousness).

or at least such would be the psycho-psychical assertion.

people spend too much time in their mind where the faculty of intellect predominates.

froth
03-28-2007, 12:26 AM
yes, or more simply, they imagine themselves as seperate from the whole. this is where a lot of so called 'magickians' and other dogma chasers start to show their egos...

WARPATH
03-28-2007, 10:41 AM
yeah well ive always said to look at multiple viewpoints. first of all our notions of 'real time' are totally wrong to begin with, so whichever way you want to look at astral projection, the experience is real. whether its inner or outer space....well if you read back through things i think you will find that those concepts are irrelevant if you realize that its all connected energy to begin with.

I can dig it. Even my words were a little hollow....let me elaborate.

In Black Elk speaks, Black tells about his visions he had, even when he was a child. The vision was deep and vivid, in the book (written by John G. Neighardt) it paints a picture of what Black Elk seen after he faints. He travels to a place that seems almost mythical.

Not to get into what he actually saw to much to avoid a theoligical debate.....it made me wonder to what extent was the vision?

Was it in his mind, i'm not saying he imagined it(like most would have you believe)- but was there outside influence-energy-entity- whatever, that was showing him this in his mind?

Or was it a real place that he experienced? I guess it doesn't matter either way, if it's inside or out, like you mentioned......but drawing a line between may help us understand our universe a little more.

froth
03-28-2007, 01:42 PM
you hit it on the head whne you said it doesnt matter either way. the experience itself was significant and doesnt need validation as having taken place in 'reality' to be important. it begs an interesting question though that may aid you down the line. why is it important to you to distinguish between 'inside' and 'outside'? if you can get to the true answer to this then you can start unravelling the aristotle 'its one or the other' gunk that people have covered us with. one aspect is the notion of 'proof' but im not dealing with anything that can be proven except by direct experience. i dont think black elk ever felt a burden of proof whatsoever. in your position i would dwell or meditate on the inherent beauty of lifes design that leads to visions

WARPATH
03-28-2007, 02:08 PM
No doubt, thanks for that feedback.

I guess another point I was trying to make out, that stems from that is

Visions vs. Halloucenations

From my experience, I've come to the conclusion that man made chemicals alter your preception the point where your visuals are most defientley artifical. I mean, the things you see come from within, but when you dealing with authentic visions- Are they really coming from within you? People always say natives do things that make them holucinate, but with a sober mind- as opposed to being on somthing, people don't realize it's just not the case.

Which brings me to other natural substances- like peyote. My understanding is, when used properly, can give you a view of the world that you don't have normally.

I think that man-made halloucegens, alters preception, or fucks your brain if you will- so that your using your preceptions wrong- perhaps your fucking with that "third eye" so to speak. As opposed to somthing that operates with nature.

froth
03-28-2007, 02:15 PM
when a natural substance such as peyote is ingested and when a proper reverence for the experience is utilized you may gain insights to the nature of the universe, but my mind always goes back to reading baba ram dass' book 'be here now' when he recounts a tale about traveling in the himalyas. a monk he encountered ate a fuckload of acid that dass had and just winked at him. i suppose the moral is, when you are open you are open

ALLAHNDRZUWUNIGA
03-28-2007, 02:16 PM
as a matter of fact, as an addendum to the discussion at hand the current world is the result of the majority of mankind slipping into an improper mental state (state of consciousness).

or at least such would be the psycho-psychical assertion.

people spend too much time in their mind where the faculty of intellect predominates.


How do you imagine the current world would be if people spent time in other mental states?, and what mental states would you be refering to?

If you dont "mind" my asking

froth
03-28-2007, 02:20 PM
well for starters, if you can control your thoughts and simultaneously treat others as you would like to be treated, the current world would be a lot better place. seems pretty obvious. the predominant mental state is one of egoic domination reinforced with the false notion that you are a seperate entity. this leads to everything from sorrow to selfishness

ALLAHNDRZUWUNIGA
03-28-2007, 05:29 PM
http://www.universal-tao.com/archives/report_nationalclearinghouse.pdf

TeknicelStylez
04-04-2007, 03:40 PM
I meditated during the time that the planets were aligned a couple years back and it was crazy. When I looked down at my hands some kind of smoke looking aura was coming off them, and my energy level just seemed off the meter. I think I was experementing with chakras too. The one where you let the energy flow from the top of your mind down to the bottom of your spine and all that noise. It was the most gratifying meditation experience I ever had.

I also astral projected a couple of times accidently, and I've experienced lucid dreaming. This shit is no joke.

froth
04-04-2007, 10:25 PM
yeah its def not a joke its real, a lot of people think im not serious. ive told my parents about shit and they just look at me like huh?

Olive Oil Goombah
04-05-2007, 10:23 AM
so how would a guy like me, who has nevr meditated, go about his first attempt at it??? I've thought of this stuff, and I have often had vivid dreams that really affect me, and I remember dreams from when I was a kid.

I feel seperate sometimes....but maybe not with the universe, but socially, since I don't do thing the 'normal' way, makes me seem a bit odd to others. Or does this not even have significance?

froth
04-05-2007, 03:57 PM
everything is significant. in the words of james joyce, 'god is a shout in the street'. a guy like you, i would recommend learning to relax your body. start by lying still and calmly. take a few deep breaths, then concentrate on one of your big toes. dont move, just concentrate on the toe. let it relax. feel how it has relxaxed since you started the process. think about your other toe. let it relax. if you start to feel any warmth or buzz to the toe, thats fine, if not it doesnt matter. move your perception as slowly as possible to other toes, bridge of your foot, etc. the key is not to rush and try to generate a little warmth or buzz. as you move thru ankles, calf muscles and all the way up (taking your sweet time...this is YOU time, this is for you). when you get to the top of your head picture a light right above your head. lie there in the imagined light. take three or four deep breaths. now, the next breath pretend that it is starting from your feet, so as you breathe in, feel the energy/warmth/buzz you created move to the very top of your head. when you breathe out, let it flow all the way back to your feet. you can create a fun and relaxing up and down kind of see saw effect here. if you give this a shot a few times you should have interesting results, at the very least you might know yourself better. there is no right way of doing things its what works for you. good luck and have fun

food for thought
02-06-2014, 12:55 PM
anybody here ahve any experience with Third Eye Mirror Mediation?

food for thought
02-06-2014, 01:03 PM
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food for thought
02-06-2014, 01:05 PM
This is a Third Eye exercise, designed to open the Third Eye, and it is useful for enhancing the process of integrating the collective consciousness. It will give you an opportunity to give love to the aspects of your greater, collective Self, as faces that are not your own, appear as your reflection in the mirror. Some of these faces will probably scare you, it is an opportunity to give love despite fear. If you become really spooked by it, then stop, turn the lights on and get grounded. If you have a tendency to paranoia, then this meditation is not for you!

I call this meditation "The Mirror Game", and enjoy it as a "Kundalini party trick." Fun to do with other people, at parties! All of us gathered in a darkened bathroom, meeting alternate aspects of each other, or facing each other in a circle, with the lights dimmed. As you do this game, you will become unified with the other people you are doing it with, and you will actually start seeing the same things.

In the twilight, when it's dim, it's very easy for your eyes to play tricks on you and that's what we want. We want tricks.

I have fun with it, I treat it lightly, because I find a casual approach is less intimidating and scary to people... but the use of mirrors and similar exercises have been used for serious magic, for thousands of years. There is quite some power and history behind this game. The oldest Celtic burials show that each person was buried with a scrying mirror, not clear enough to actually use for examining your physical appearance, but cloudy for scrying to see and communicate with one's patron diety or spirit guides.

It's fun to do solo, and it's also fun to do it with other people, so long as none of them are too easily frightened. Don't use it to scare people! Ask for the protection and assistance of your guardian Angels, before you begin, and remember to get grounded, and stay grounded. If you can manage to get into the Witness state, so much the better!

To play the game, you need a dark room, a lit candle and a mirror. Preferably a wall mirror, so you do not have to hold it. By light of a single candle that's placed somewhere behind you or well off to one side, in a very dark room, gaze into a mirror. Look into your own eyes, or focus on the third eye spot between your eyebrows, on your forehead. Because of the light being very dim, you'll find that your eyes keep going out of focus. Let them. Avoid blinking to refocus your eyes, because it is the soft focus that will reveal the faces. When your eyes go out of focus, don't try to blink to clear them, let them go out of focus, but keep looking.

When your eyes go out of focus, your Third Eye will kick in, and it will start to show you other faces. Other aspects of yourself, past lives, faces from the collective, aliens, faeries, people of other races and other times, all kinds of faces. Some of them may be faces of old Gods, like Hecate or Thor. Some of them may be your Divine Beloved showing up to say hello. Often with people who are just doing this for the first time, the faces will flash by so quickly that you can't see them completely. Sometimes a face will linger so you can get a good look at it. I have seen a grey alien in my mirror, so steady and clear that I could turn my head and see the sides of it's head, and examine the tiny wrinkles in the dove grey skin around its large black eyes.

Some of the faces will probably be very scary looking. This is to challenge you to give unconditional love to All That Is. The grey alien usually freaks people when they first see it, because it is so strange, so very alien and unemotional. The old God archetype of Hecate, for example often appears with one side of her face a skull, and the other a cat! Yet, Hecate is a Mother Goddess, of hearth, home and patron of childbirth. Benevolent. So don't get scared of the faces you see, no matter how horrific they are. Just pretend you're Stephen King, and you're looking for material for a good novel. As long as you stay grounded, the faces won't scare you. It's very important to do this exercise when you're grounded.

Again, it's very simple. A completely dark room, a mirror, like a bathroom mirror, if you can sit comfortably in front of it, or you can do it standing. One candle, not in front of you, but behind you or off to the side somewhere. The room should be dim enough so that you can just barely can make out your features. You can just barely see yourself as your eyes adjust to the light. Set the candle down, be grounded, relax, allow your eyes to go out of focus, and stare into the mirror.

If you focus on your Divine Beloved, it may show up so clearly that you can almost talk to it. Which is a very interesting experience, seeing the opposite gender version of yourself in your bathroom mirror. Let your eyes go out of focus, and just give unconditional love to all of these reflected images, and all the faces that come up. No matter how scary they may look, they can't hurt you. They're just showing up so you can love them.

By loving them, you reduce the separation and integrate them as part of your Self. Not in a bad way, simply in a way that we are taking the separate ego-mind, and we are bringing it down through the levels of the unconscious. At different levels of the unconscious, the past lives, and the archetypes, and the collective faces are available as information. As you move down through the collective, there will be more and more faces. And then finally, as you get closer to Unity, there will be fewer faces. They'll gradually reduce until you may see the same half dozen faces coming up again and again. Where before, you were seeing a thousand faces in an hour, or even more.

Eventually, you will vanish! Where your head used to be, there will be nothing, and you can see the wall behind it. This might freak you out the first time it happens, but it is very positive. The Buddha aspires to be nothingness.

This is perfectly normal. It's a good way to open and work on your Third Eye. All I have to caution you against is to be very grounded, and not to be afraid of what you see.

That is the challenge, to give unconditional love to All That IS, and accept it. The faces can't hurt you, but they're neat, they're fun to watch. Enjoy it! Blessings...

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GROUNDING
GROUNDING VISUAL
GROUNDING VIDEO
ABOUT THE GROUNDING
ALTERNATIVES
COLOUR MEDITATION
WALKING MEDITATION
MIRROR MEDITATION
EARTH HEART MEDITATION
SHADOW MEDITATION
NAMASTE MEDITATION
SOUL MEDITATION


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Paranoid
02-07-2014, 12:49 AM
this will charge it up good before you do it, use headphones

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Paranoid
02-07-2014, 07:21 PM
i just tried this stoned. my 3rd eye was supercharged to the max when i started it, i didn't see any grey aliens but it was weird. my skin seemed like it was moving

Paranoid
02-10-2014, 01:48 AM
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this is nuts once it works...i must say do it with great caution, i just had a very intense experience which im not sure was good or bad. i felt like i was going to die and then i felt insane energy flowing through me i was shaking and had a panic attack and then i started to calm down and felt orgasmic. i can still feel the pressure at the bottom of my back