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Black Man
04-02-2007, 06:21 PM
In my opinion, based on my personal experiences here in the good ol U.S. of A., black people are the most forgiving people I know. Let's be real, black people have caught literal hell since they were brought here in america, and that hell has not ceased to exist yet. Unfortunately I've played a part in making america a living hell for black people. My apologies....speaking of which, I've noticed how reluctant "white" people are when it comes to making an apology to the black population that was and still is directly effected by our, white people's actions whether they're direct or indirect. Anyway....let me explain my realization.

When I was little I had a friend (he was more of a friend to me than I to him) and he's black. It's funny because our mothers grew up together just as me and him grew up together, and the relationship our mothers had, is very similiar to the one me and my "black" friend had.

Our friendship started I think in like 2nd or 3rd grade. I lived right down the street from him. We lived in an all white community and went to basically an all white school. Besides his brothers and sisters, he was the only black person in our school. Our friendship has endured the test of time no thanks to me.

Back to the main point.....forgiveness. I'm sure most people had fights with some of their friends and I'm no exception. I've been in numerous fights with the person who was basically my best friend. The only kid I really played with until I got into my teen years. I can't help but to think of all of the foul things I've said to a person who was nothing but a friend to me. If you can think of a racial slur, I used it on my friend. I disrespected his family (who by the way treated me like I was in the family)...not just his family but all black people. Anytime my cousins would come and we would all play together, I treated my friend like he wasn't shit. I made sure I treated him different, kind of like I didn't want him there.

I remember this one time we were playing and something happened and I know the first thing I wanted to do was hurt him, so I called him a n*gger. Yeah, I ran for my life!!! This happened so many times you know. Anyway, after this happened we wouldn't play for that day, and sometimes we didn't play the next day. We did keep playing together even after I would do some foul things to my friend no thanks to me though. After every episode like this, my friend would continue to be my friend. He went all out for me regardless of what happened between us. He forgave me over and over. Did I deserve his forgiveness? Hell NO!!!

Us white people, we don't really forgive. We don't really make apologies for the things we do or did. I remember this one time I called my friend a n*gger plus some added extras and he effed me up. I was wrong and I deserved it, but check this out, my friends mom came to me and my parents and apologized for her son even though he wasn't in the wrong. My family never did anything like that. Not only did she apologize she brought us a gift....like a token of peace.

I never understood why my friend would forgive me.

When we grew up I noticed a few changes in my friend. He changed his name...can you believe he became a muslim? We parted ways again and the next time I saw him, he was a 5%er. I remember we went to a Wu-Tang concert together. I remember this one night when he began to talk to me about the 5%ers...but it really wasn't about the 5% it about life. Although I didn't agree with everything that was being said, I noticed a quality, a genuine quality of god in that man and that was forgiveness.

Yeah, the Blackman is God, and I had the audacity to call that man n*gger!!! Not only did I call him that I did multiple times and the very next day, we were running around playing G.I. Joes or playing guns or something.

My black friend was and is more of a friend to me than I to him. I apologize for my ignorance. :yessad:

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Sun Supreme
04-02-2007, 06:41 PM
I can't believe it. Black Man is White. What the fuck! I never though a white person would call themselves black anything. We'll my friend, that was very genuine. My best friend is white and i have considered just not being his friend anymor cause i thought he wasn't as much my friend as I was his. He has never done anything foul to me but it used to be small shit like I would always call him to go hang out or go to his crib and he never did any of that. We used to just hop in the whip and ride smoke L's. We would get into some real convos and i could express things to him that black folk aint tryin to hear. We are very close, I consider him as a brother, yet his brother just thinks im his "weed smokin buddy". But after all the time i wanted to just say fuck em, i realized i really need him as a friend. Hes like my fuckin therapist. I tel him everything and he does the same. Even when i have a problem with him we can talk and call each other assholes and go on. I hope you still have black friends cause everyone needs friend outside of there race. It only helps.

Kong
04-02-2007, 07:03 PM
Black Man realise the world is not black and white and most of that shits in your head.

Mumm Ra
04-02-2007, 07:42 PM
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Prolifical ENG
04-02-2007, 09:17 PM
As I think of it I guess I did have a recent experience that can go with the conclusion that black people are on another level when it comes to apologies and forgiveness. I didn't really see it that way until this thread.

We all went out one night and it was a bunch of us..I don't know the count of each race that was with us.

Before we went to the club, we were all pre-drinking. To make a long story short the single black man thats our friend got totally hammered before hand and couldn't keep his eyes open. So obviously he couldn't get into any clubs. We stuck with him and ended up eating at the Jamaican food eatery. So as he sobered up, he did apologize many times for pretty much screwing up the night. I don't know if a white person or any other would take it to that extent but he did.

It was a big night, took a limo to the club, had a bunch of people so it did cost us a little more.

So of course after he apologized to each of us again individually and invited us all over for a Sunday brunch.

We all really weren't mad at him and pretty much did forgive him anyway. We were more mad of the other events that lead up to that. Or perhaps we subconsciously know that we should forgive as he would for us....who knows.

We still do the usual activities that black & white people do together: have barbecued steak and potatoes, go to baseball games, go to the gym, talk music, get some bitch ass, etc.

In conclusion I'm glad we all forgave him like we did....no matter what race he is. In other crews there would still be tension.

RAMESH
04-03-2007, 05:08 AM
i didn't come to this site to be racist or have internet fights with people i don't like it
i don't like people to be rude to me & i never forgive & forget
i like blackman because he never done anything wrong to me
i like talking to alot of you but others i don't want nothing to do with ever some of you i hate so much if i had the chance i would like to hurt you physicly for those of you that i feel like that it will never change
i feel that i belong here because i really enjoy my wu-tang
alot of you is spoiling it for me because you are on me all the time & i don't like it & i will never like you & i don't have it in my heart to forgive
i'm not going to leave i'm always going to be here so for those of you that don't want me here that's your problem not mine just leave me alone & i will leave you alone
i get messages from black people on this site that feel they don't belong here because of the way some of you white people speak to them & it's not right
i do feel that they do belong here even more than what i do
it's not a race thing because alot of the people that i like in here is white & i don't want to say anything bad about their race because i like those guys i'm very fond of bane,silencer,jamal,eric there is alot of white people in here that i do like alot
i don't like it when people talk down on religion i don't like porn in any form
i don't like discrimanation on any race
i do feel obligated to reject when it comes to these matters
i like to bring positive stuff to the site but most of the time it's just negative
i want that to change but the only way that will happen is if all you people that want negative attention leaves me alone i'm not your friend
coloured street cats are strange people we got a sick sence of humour & we very raw & aggresive people & we short tempered
all i ask is for you not to aggrevate me & in return i will respect you
i will keep my dark humour to myself & my friends
we should all respect each other
i don't like females in my company when i'm talking about politics or rap actually i don't like talking to females at all for the last few years unless i know them very well

V4D3R
04-03-2007, 05:33 AM
Ramesh- don't call yourself colored. The Danish gave you that title when they had power over you.

Just like the Spaniards called us Mullato.

We are mixed.

We are human.

As mixed I know whats it's like t be caught in between. I grew up in a racist environment always fighting kids calling me nigger.
Got called a nigger playing hockey.

This thread is about forgiveness. I forgive anybody thats transgressed me.

I got a temper too and I blown up and got out of hand. None of us are perfect. We have been taught wrong on how to deal with shit violently our culture. Never too late to change homie. Peace is simple once you control your emotions.

A form of hell on Earth is to be unforgiven.

"What Ive felt
What Ive known
Never shined through in what Ive shown
Never free
Never me
So I dub the unforgiven"

supremecharma
04-03-2007, 05:43 AM
whiteman - need to stop suckin so much black dick. we realise u like blacl people. alot of us like black people. but there is no need to constantly go on about it. and PRO - that situ has happened a few times in our crews and there has never been a problem. friends forgive friends.

RAMESH
04-03-2007, 05:52 AM
if you should break my race down you will find dutch,german,zulu,hindu & i'm quite sure i got khoi in me too
i am a coloured male there is more than a million of us in the western province alone & i am very proud of being what i am
we are the minority but we are also the most feared on the streets
i have never in my life met a coloured kid that wants to be any other race & i'll be dammed if i'm the 1st
i have never met a danish man in my life
south african white people originaly came from the netherlands

V4D3R
04-03-2007, 06:03 AM
my bad - dutch

You missed my point. The dutch called you coloured. A title.

Like the black man in America used to be called negro.

These are titles that we need to forget in order to forgive the opressors.

It's nothing to be proud about to be feared my friend. It's kinda of shady when you notice people just want to do something for you from fear.

That's basically oppressing.

RAMESH
04-03-2007, 06:19 AM
i get what you saying coloured politicians are fighting to get us classified as black so we can get the same oppertunities as the black man because of our affermitive action policy our country has
the coloured man has been around only for about 300 years
what would you classify us as?
from the time coloureds came to existence we born through rape & we were rejected from whites & blacks so the coloured man was born aggresive we always had to stand together we always had gangs from the begining of our existance there was division even amongst slaves

V4D3R
04-03-2007, 06:40 AM
Do you hate non-mixed Afrikans?

If you then you hate yourself.

RAMESH
04-03-2007, 07:01 AM
most of my friends that i consider brothers are from angola i easily got 100's of angolan friends how we met is a long story
growing up i mostly had coloured & black friends we generaly stick to our own but that was also through apartheid we wern't allowed to hang with white cats
for the last 8 or 9 years things have changed but i don't have any white friends now but i used to have white girl friends back in the day & they were cool but on most cases their families hated me with good reason so it never worked out i understand why they didn't like me & it wasn't because of my colour
i don't hate white south africans i love my cricket team & most of those cats are white & i stand behind them 100%
enough with the questions now

Prolifical ENG
04-03-2007, 11:24 AM
whiteman - need to stop suckin so much black dick. we realise u like blacl people. alot of us like black people. but there is no need to constantly go on about it. and PRO - that situ has happened a few times in our crews and there has never been a problem. friends forgive friends.

exactly. however the thread seems more about forgiveness than race even though race is a factor.

Black Man
04-03-2007, 11:39 AM
Black Man realise the world is not black and white and most of that shits in your head.

You don't know what "Black Man" realises....say what you say for yourself, don't speak on my behalf because you're not qualified for that.

Visionz
04-03-2007, 11:42 AM
I have always wondered why the american goverment, as far as I know, has never made a formal apology to the oppressed citizens of this country. In general, I'm talking about all kinds of shit that went down, but specifically, for slavery. I think its needed to really begin the healing process. In a way, we're already headed in the right direction, in large part due to hip-hop, but I'd like to see the goverment do a whole lot more.

RAMESH
04-03-2007, 11:53 AM
africans may of went to america as slaves but now they living well there is alot of oppertunity for them there
africa is fucked in general evry year things just get a little bit worse

Black Man
04-03-2007, 11:59 AM
africans may of went to america as slaves but now they living well there is alot of oppertunity for them there
africa is fucked in general evry year things just get a little bit worse

no, not all "africans" are living well. t.v is t.v and life is life and life isn't peaches and cream for original people here in america. what goes on in south africa, happens here in america too.

Visionz
04-03-2007, 12:05 PM
africans may of went to america as slaves but now they living well there is alot of oppertunity for them there
africa is fucked in general evry year things just get a little bit worsethere's still a lot of division here, some parts are worse than others. I always wonder what hand is being played to destroy the whole African continent. I don't think AIDS is an accident, for instance. Just seems like maybe outside forces are doing their best to cripple the people so that the land can be exploited for its many resources. Its been done plenty in the past but with this global economy everything's on fast forward. scary shit really

RAMESH
04-03-2007, 01:13 PM
i know america got it's poor & dangerous projects but in africa it's really bad
aids is a big problem inflation is a big problem human resources is a big problem really bad goverments is a big problem but the worst problem is the total disregard of life
i saw some movies that i think you guys should watch to give you an idea of whats going on here that i saw lately
dollars & white pipes
totsi
blood diamond
4 needles
the last king of scotland
1st world countries does take advantage of us but our leaders are even more guilty or just as guilty

Visionz
04-03-2007, 02:26 PM
i know america got it's poor & dangerous projects but in africa it's really bad
aids is a big problem inflation is a big problem human resources is a big problem really bad goverments is a big problem but the worst problem is the total disregard of life
i saw some movies that i think you guys should watch to give you an idea of whats going on here that i saw lately
dollars & white pipes
totsi
blood diamond
4 needles
the last king of scotland
1st world countries does take advantage of us but our leaders are even more guilty or just as guiltyword, guess corruption of man is kinda the same no matter where you go. damn shame really and its always the same mentality that gets them there. People put materialistic holdings above that of their fellow man, if only they'd realize how fleeting this life really is.


Do you see any possible solutions to whats goin on around you?

RAMESH
04-03-2007, 05:05 PM
word, guess corruption of man is kinda the same no matter where you go. damn shame really and its always the same mentality that gets them there. People put materialistic holdings above that of their fellow man, if only they'd realize how fleeting this life really is.


Do you see any possible solutions to whats goin on around you?
i been thinking about this & there is no solution i can think of a few & it won't work so no africa is fucked
still i like living here i will never leave i think evryone should spend some time in africa it's a nice place to see
i only been around south africa i still haven't seen evrything yet it's a beatiful place if you follow the basic rules & you not a weak cat i say you should take a tour around africa atleast once in your life time

living_undead
04-03-2007, 06:13 PM
white folk and black folk just need to go at it.
we all meet up in the desert and just brawl.
and then maybe we can finally put the past behind us.

Visionz
04-03-2007, 06:38 PM
white folk and black folk just need to go at it.
we all meet up in the desert and just brawl.
and then maybe we can finally put the past behind us.
that'd be as pointless as a bowling ball

froth
04-03-2007, 06:44 PM
forgiveness is always deserved; its one of the great secrets of life. compassion, turning the other cheek, not doing, golden rule, and on and on. you have to be strong enough to forgive others and ask forgiveness but also FORGIVE YOURSELF as we have basically raised a world of people that hate themselves, hate life, hate nature. let go of any guilt you have; yeah youre not so bad, you usually try your best

living_undead
04-03-2007, 06:44 PM
that'd be as pointless as a bowling ball

why?
i mean obviously i was being serious...


but aside from that, we all go brawl.
then afterwards we have some beers and laugh about it.

the silencer
04-03-2007, 07:06 PM
sheez for every good thread at KTL we get 5 fuckin lame race-based ones...

V4D3R
04-03-2007, 10:35 PM
Africans - have got a long way to go on many levels.

RAMESH
04-04-2007, 04:05 AM
all africans want is to eat well evryday & have your friends & family close to you & a nice house that's all we want out of life

supremecharma
04-04-2007, 04:34 AM
i think that what everyone wants isnt it?

V4D3R
03-28-2008, 01:43 PM
forgiveness is always deserved; its one of the great secrets of life. compassion, turning the other cheek, not doing, golden rule, and on and on. you have to be strong enough to forgive others and ask forgiveness but also FORGIVE YOURSELF as we have basically raised a world of people that hate themselves, hate life, hate nature. let go of any guilt you have; yeah youre not so bad, you usually try your best
Good reply and bump

Olive Oil Goombah
03-28-2008, 02:00 PM
i forgive everyone for everything they have said to me on this board.

TSA
03-28-2008, 02:01 PM
all africans want is to eat well evryday & have your friends & family close to you & a nice house that's all we want out of life

speak for ya self, i want a muhfuckin stretch hummer on rimms nigga rrrriimmmmszzzzss